Sion is a common given name in this line. Sion W HILL b 1654, d 1705 Surry Co, VA had son Sion Jr b1682 VA, b 1762 NC. I have 4 atMatches on Chr1 38-45m; on Chr7 83-105m; Chr9 125-133; Chr17 30-42m. This indicates to me some strong atDNA segments and a lot of descendants. It's well worth tracing your line back to this era, and/or tracing Sion's lines down toward 1818. We'd best talk pure genealogy off-line. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Jun 3, 2012, at 12:55 PM, "Emily Aulicino" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Jim, > > Do you know a Sion L. Hill? His dau Lucinda married John Wesley Talley and > I'm tracking that Talley line. Are the two Sion's related. This Sion was > born in Dec 1818 and married to Frances Dismukes. > > Thanks, > Emily > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Bartlett > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 12:52 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] GEDmatch.Com Are Your Parents Related? > > Melissa > > By extending my Tree as part of some atDNA matching research, I learned my > parents were 8th cousins, both descending from Sion W HILL. They never knew > it. At that level I may not be able to detect it genetically, but I do have > an atMatch on Sion W HILL so someday an intermediate match will tell me > which side it's on. > > Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > > On May 29, 2012, at 1:48 PM, M Robards <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I'm just wondering what other people are coming up with, when you know >> your parents are distant or closer cousins. My parents are distant >> cousins, the degree isn't exactly known, but we're proven it with >> YDNA. Cousin on Mom's side's Y67 matches Dad's Y67, same surname, >> common ancestor sometime first half of 1700. > > > > ______________________________ > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: > http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ______________________________ > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: > http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUTOSOMAL-DNA-request[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jim, Do you know a Sion L. Hill? His dau Lucinda married John Wesley Talley and I'm tracking that Talley line. Are the two Sion's related. This Sion was born in Dec 1818 and married to Frances Dismukes. Thanks, Emily -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Bartlett Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 12:52 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] GEDmatch.Com Are Your Parents Related? Melissa By extending my Tree as part of some atDNA matching research, I learned my parents were 8th cousins, both descending from Sion W HILL. They never knew it. At that level I may not be able to detect it genetically, but I do have an atMatch on Sion W HILL so someday an intermediate match will tell me which side it's on. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On May 29, 2012, at 1:48 PM, M Robards <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm just wondering what other people are coming up with, when you know > your parents are distant or closer cousins. My parents are distant > cousins, the degree isn't exactly known, but we're proven it with > YDNA. Cousin on Mom's side's Y67 matches Dad's Y67, same surname, > common ancestor sometime first half of 1700. ______________________________ For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Melissa By extending my Tree as part of some atDNA matching research, I learned my parents were 8th cousins, both descending from Sion W HILL. They never knew it. At that level I may not be able to detect it genetically, but I do have an atMatch on Sion W HILL so someday an intermediate match will tell me which side it's on. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On May 29, 2012, at 1:48 PM, M Robards <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm just wondering what other people are coming up with, when you know > your parents are distant or closer cousins. My parents are distant > cousins, the degree isn't exactly known, but we're proven it with > YDNA. Cousin on Mom's side's Y67 matches Dad's Y67, same surname, > common ancestor sometime first half of 1700.

Hi, I just wanted to be sure that no one missed this. FTDNA is offering Family Finder for only $179 instead of $289 for "Family and Friends". You need a code. Details are on my blog: http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2012/05/family-tree-dna-offers-reduced-price.html CeCe www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com www.studiointv.com

I'm just wondering what other people are coming up with, when you know your parents are distant or closer cousins. My parents are distant cousins, the degree isn't exactly known, but we're proven it with YDNA. Cousin on Mom's side's Y67 matches Dad's Y67, same surname, common ancestor sometime first half of 1700. Gedmatch says "Generally, when the Largest Single-Block Genetic Distance is less than 1, it can be assumed that no relationship exists. If the Largest Single-Block Genetic Distance is greater than 10, then the relationship is probably within the past few generations." For me it comes up : Largest Single-Block Genetic Distance = 0.736 cM Total Genetic Distance = 0.736 cM But for my full sister it's -0-. This utility is pretty cool IMO, and I am curious what it's showing for other people whose parents are cousins. BTW, a 1/2 3rd cousin 1R is showing: Largest Single-Block Genetic Distance = 4.229 cM Total Genetic Distance = 4.229 cM But I haven't figured out where the cousinship comes in on his tree yet. melissa springer robards

Congrats! That's wonderful!!!! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of CeCe Moore Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 1:21 AM To: Autossomal DNA List Subject: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] I found a 3rd Cousin at 23andMe! I found a previously unknown third cousin at 23andMe. This has allowed me to add three more segments to my chromosome mapping. Details and charts are on my blog: http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2012/05/i-found-my-third-cousin-today- at.html CeCe www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com www.studiointv.com ______________________________ For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Great blog, CeCe! This also illustrates one of my atDNA guidelines: contact every atMatch, and share! Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On May 27, 2012, at 4:20 AM, CeCe Moore <[email protected]> wrote: > > I found a previously unknown third cousin at 23andMe. This has allowed me to add three more segments to my chromosome mapping. > Details and charts are on my blog: > http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2012/05/i-found-my-third-cousin-today-at.html > > CeCe > www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com > www.studiointv.com > > > > ______________________________ > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: > http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found a previously unknown third cousin at 23andMe. This has allowed me to add three more segments to my chromosome mapping. Details and charts are on my blog: http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2012/05/i-found-my-third-cousin-today-at.html CeCe www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com www.studiointv.com

Thank you so much, Tim. Typical of me to not remember that thread at all. It helps immensely to put things back into perspective. Huge thread, though, I think I need some coffee now so I can get started reading all the posts in it :) melissa On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 11:36 PM, Tim Janzen <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Melissa, snip See my message at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AUTOSOMAL-DNA/2012-01/1326097707 for a summary of my analysis.  Even at 3.5-4 cMs it would appear that > about 17% of matching segments are IBD.  We need to have other people > generate similar statistics to what I generated and we then need to pool the > data to get an even clearer picture about the IBD versus IBS situation. snip Accurate chromosome> mapping is imperative and if you have created accurate chromosome maps for> all of these people using data from first, second, and third cousins then> you will be in a better position to determine which of these 3-5 cM HIRs are> IBD. snip > Tim Janzen > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of M Robards > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 11:00 PM > Subject: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] IBD and IBS Revisited :( > > Scattered through out the other chromosomes are small sets of matching > segments, most either with 1,2 and 3, or  2, 3 and 4. > Normally I would think these are mainly IBS, but in this case where I > have these specific 4 testers, and they share many of the smaller > segments, isn't there a good chance many/most of these smaller > 'matches' are also IBD?  There are several combinations of the 4 > matching Mister X, but no match ever includes #1 and #4 together. > >snip > melissa springer robards

Dear Melissa, I think it is important that we keep in mind the information that Ann Turner and I posted on this topic back in January. See my message at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AUTOSOMAL-DNA/2012-01/13260977 07 for a summary of my analysis. Even at 3.5-4 cMs it would appear that about 17% of matching segments are IBD. We need to have other people generate similar statistics to what I generated and we then need to pool the data to get an even clearer picture about the IBD versus IBS situation. Unfortunately, none of the DNA companies doing autosomal DNA analysis are providing statistics on a large scale for the IBD versus IBS situation similar to what I provided in the message above. In any case, I think that my data still provides significant insight into this. Accurate chromosome mapping is imperative and if you have created accurate chromosome maps for all of these people using data from first, second, and third cousins then you will be in a better position to determine which of these 3-5 cM HIRs are IBD. Using phased data for all of these people when you run the comparisons against Mister X would also be of major help to you in this situation, assuming that Mister X would be willing to share his raw data file with you. Sincerely, Tim Janzen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of M Robards Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 11:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] IBD and IBS Revisited :( Scattered through out the other chromosomes are small sets of matching segments, most either with 1,2 and 3, or 2, 3 and 4. Normally I would think these are mainly IBS, but in this case where I have these specific 4 testers, and they share many of the smaller segments, isn't there a good chance many/most of these smaller 'matches' are also IBD? There are several combinations of the 4 matching Mister X, but no match ever includes #1 and #4 together. One example of a small matching segment, Chr 6: #1 @ 129879242 - 132216752, 3.15, 700 #3 @ 129879242 - 132216752, 3.15, 700 Since #1 and #3 share the same mother but not the same father, this would come from the mother's side, so are these small matching segments more likely to be IBS or IBD? melissa springer robards

I have some issues with IBD and IBS. Situation: Two full sisters tested, #2 and #3 One 1/2 sister tested #1 (all three same mother) Father of first two sisters tested #4. All four show a match to someone, Mister X :) In looking at the matching segments the 4 family members have with Mister X, it appears the girls' mother AND the father are related somehow to Mister X, but it also looks like Mister X is related to this group on two different lines, one thru the mother and the 3 daughters, and one thru the father and the two girls that are his daughters. For example the 3 girls match with Mister X on Chr 13: 1 @ 83339105 - 98287751, 15.88,4200 2 @ 83339105 - 94106590, 8.41, 2500 3 @ 83339105 - 99677030, 17.17, 4600 OK, I'm pretty sure then the above 'match' is through the mother of all three, since the father of the two doesn't show a match at this area of Chr 13, and #1 above is not the child of the father of #2 and #3. Then there is a section of Chr 12 where #2 and #3 (full sisters) and their father, #4, have a match with Mister X: #2 @ 72127478 - 76510591, 4.23, 1000 #3 @ 51411412 - 76510591, 25.09, 6200 #4 @ 51411412 - 76510591, 25.09, 6200 This looks to me like all three are connected to Mister X on the same line, even though #2 has a much smaller segment, but even if #2 isn't considered the same 'match' as #3 and #4, this shows a connection to Mister X thru the father of the girls. So those are large enough to be IBD. Scattered through out the other chromosomes are small sets of matching segments, most either with 1,2 and 3, or 2, 3 and 4. Normally I would think these are mainly IBS, but in this case where I have these specific 4 testers, and they share many of the smaller segments, isn't there a good chance many/most of these smaller 'matches' are also IBD? There are several combinations of the 4 matching Mister X, but no match ever includes #1 and #4 together. One example of a small matching segment, Chr 6: #1 @ 129879242 - 132216752, 3.15, 700 #3 @ 129879242 - 132216752, 3.15, 700 Since #1 and #3 share the same mother but not the same father, this would come from the mother's side, so are these small matching segments more likely to be IBS or IBD? melissa springer robards

I reviewed the DNA tests used in Finding Your Roots last night, as usual. This is the last one for 2012: http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2012/05/finding-your-roots-with-henry-louis_21.html CeCe www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com www.studiointv.com

Five DNA kits are being raffled by Mixed Roots Foundation. Details on my blog: http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2012/05/mixed-roots-foundation-raffling-23andme.html

This was the response I got from the FTDNA HelpDesk: "Thank you for your email. I share your concerns and brought them up with the IT department. They are going to visit this with administration and see what kind of resolution can be made." Diana > From: Diana Gale Matthiesen > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 6:59 AM > > I just sent this message to the FTDNA > HelpDesk ( [email protected] ): > > I'd swear it used to say on our member pages that you > were going to *merge*, not *purge*, the separate Paternal > and Maternal GEDCOMs attached to our accounts by the end > of the year. I'm distressed to see this change because > it means deceased members without living contacts will > then lack GEDCOMs, entirely. This is a dreadful loss > of valuable information. Test results without lineages > are virtually useless. > > I urge you to *merge* the existing GEDCOMs, not purge > any that are still existing on the cut off date. I > fully realize how much more work that is for you, but > what you are proposing is a bad move for your clientele. > At the very least, if the subject is male, save the > Paternal GEDCOM; likewise, if the subject is female, > save the Maternal GEDCOM. > > Or, you could just leave well enough alone. > > Diana

My point was: some have segments as long as 20 cM some as short as ~7.  Of the 30 or so, about 20 have each other on that segment and if they don't, it's because the one stops at 10 say and the other starts at 10.  And even for the pairing which they don't  have on c 18 (because of the start stop at 10 effect), many have matches elsewhere.  And they're all matches to me.  And I have the least ancestry from close to the epicenter of their genealogies (mine is about 300 miles).

Dear Gregg, I believe that it is highly probable that the Ancestry.com raw data files would be completely compatible with the 23andMe version 3 files and the FTDNA FF files. Ancestry.com has said that they are testing about 700,000 SNPs on their autosomal test. We also know that Ancestry.com has placed a large order with Illumina. Putting this together, it makes it very probable that Ancestry.com is using the Illumina OmniExpress SNP chip for their autosomal test. The OmniExpress SNP chip has 708,092 autosomal SNPs on it. I commented on another list recently that I am very concerned that there will be negative ramifications for the genetic genealogy community at large if Ancestry.com refuses to allow customers to download their raw data results. See http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GENEALOGY-DNA/2012-05/13365293 78 for background. I definitely think it is appropriate for Ancestry.com customers to encourage Ancestry.com to allow downloads of the raw data files as well as to ask Ancestry.com to show the matching segment data (start and stop positions, chromosome #, number of SNPs in the matching segment, number of cMs in the matching segment, etc.). Sincerely, Tim Janzen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gregg Bonner Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 3:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Ancestry raw data file Dear Listmates, If Ancestry.com released the raw data files for their autosomal test, would they be directly comparable in the sense that they could be, for example, uploaded to GEDmatch and compared with RF and FF test results (presuming GEDmatch did the required tweaking for recognizing headers, etc.)? Is there any movement on pressuring them to do this? I have 2 FF, 1 RF, and now an Ancestry test all done from descendants of one particular pair of ancestors. I'd like to bring the Ancestry sample into the comparison fold. What gives? Gregg

Dear Listmates, If Ancestry.com released the raw data files for their autosomal test, would they be directly comparable in the sense that they could be, for example, uploaded to GEDmatch and compared with RF and FF test results (presuming GEDmatch did the required tweaking for recognizing headers, etc.)? Is there any movement on pressuring them to do this? I have 2 FF, 1 RF, and now an Ancestry test all done from descendants of one particular pair of ancestors. I'd like to bring the Ancestry sample into the comparison fold. What gives? Gregg

This is my problem. My ggrandfather was adopted and my uncle did a DNA test in family dna. I have nothing past him just census showing he was adopted. I can download gedcom but would only show to him. I have him listed. Virginia Parr -----Original Message----- From: John F Smeltzer <[email protected]> To: autosomal-dna <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, May 13, 2012 9:56 am Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] FF clients not uploading GEDCOMs - Suggestion I agree Mike .... I am assisting several folks who are either adopted or have an doption in their line that has been their biggest brick-wall. And many of hem eagerly (and with great excitement) paid their money, took the test and now re uncertain (or are at least struggling) as to what to do. I can understand he enthusiasm that may have brought them into the game. When I run into omeone with significant matches to our group of kits I always try to include hem as collaborators if they are willing. Including adoptees ... My theory is hat eventually we will have enough pieces to the puzzle to at least be able o offer deep ancestral story lines even if we can't provide near-term names. n the meantime I find that by working in collaboration with these folks who how interest I learn a lot and that helps build my understanding of how best o apply these tests in the real world. It's not without its faults but it eems to be at least one successful and rewarding strategy. And, I think we shouldn't jump past the fact that w e are all still learning how o best apply these Family Finder tools. There is no one singular cookbook way o do this. And while I agree that GEDCOM's and / or Pedigrees are great ..... simple (but comprehensive) surname list is a great and often sufficient start. My suggestions to struggling test participants are always step-wise .... 1. develop a complete surnames list and enter it into FTDNA (or other endors) files as they allow. Then ... as time permits 2. Build your edigree ..... stretching your genealogically imposed need to proof everything o its limits .... just don't declare it all to be fact and don't post it n-line as fact. And .... in those spare moments of time ..... 3. Build out our family files as far as you can along as many lines as you can ... with articular emphasis on working out sibling lines of more ancestral family to nclude spouses and at least a generation or two downstream ... which allows you o pick up on other potentially matching surnames from present day testing. urnames that are NOT in your direct line but ones that IF (and when) TESTED ill in all probability match your targeted surname group. Now, that said .... even in my own situation I have so many kits (both recruited ousins and collaborators) in the files ... over 50 at present ..... it's ifficult at best to work matches AND do upgrades while trying to conduct normal ay-to-day business at the same time. So, as in most everything we do these ays ... most of us are behind on more things than we would like to admit. ow, when someone contacts me and engages in a polite conversation about our atches I can re-direct if necessary to help fill in those GEDCOM / Pedigree / urname gaps if they exist and if I can do anything to accomodate. But, I ind it almost as interesting that even with a LOT of test kits out there that he number of "incoming" contacts is much much fewer than I ever nticipated. It's my "out-going" communications that generate most of my ctivity. And I believe this is the case because MOST folks just simply don't now what to do ... where to go .... who to turn to and have the normal human motion of not wanting to look badly in public / or public communications. 've never been hindered by that burden. I can look "stupid" most anywhere nd be ok with it as look as I'm trying. So .... I think a one page outline of "best practices" .... would be very seful. It could be distributed as a "cheat-sheet" to folks who have been aited to get a sense of what to do next. And, we could provide it to our atches as a pro-active gesture that shares our experiences with them in a way hat might just prod them to those so needed next steps. This is complicated stuff .... the more we can help uncomplicate it for the asses the more productive our own efforts will be .... ______________________________ or answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: ttp://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Margaret (and Greg) see my post (just before yours in the digest mode).  All the people with whom I share that segment have each other somewhere on their DNA and except for some obvious cases where the 2 peoples' segments are shorter at opposite ends of the segment, they all match each other on that segment on c 18.  And everyone has multiple segments with at least one of the other members of the group.

Jim, The matches range between 6.1 and 9.7 cM with anywhere from about 700 to 1000 SNPs. Even if half of these matches were to my dad's lines and half to my mother's, that still seems like a lot of "cousin matches" (at least 25) in that one small location. It may be worth checking on the few larger ones but I suppose many of them are from the atDNA soup. This is all fascinating. Thanks for your input. Margaret On 5/17/2012 6:03 PM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > > Margaret, > > No, I don't think so. I have 30 overlapping matches on Chr 8 between 106 and > 127 > > Are the matches on large segments (23&Me uses 5cM as cutoff, FTDNA uses > 7.7cM as cutoff, some advocate 10cM as a cutoff)? It they are smaller > segments, most of us chalk it up to atDNA soup, not tied to any specific > ancestor. If they are large segments, then count your self very lucky. >