I am doing exactly that Christina. I am a little behind on it as I also take care of 3 other family members as well, but we all have between 45-75 matches each so it's not too cumbersome. More of my efforts going to a lot of genealogical data searching online, regarding ancestry of those on my biggest chromosome cluster. Got lots of potential paths to walk down, lot's of places to look. Mark On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:00 AM, <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Chromosome Browser on FTDNA (Christina Hunt) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 07:59:33 -0400 > From: Christina Hunt <[email protected]> > Subject: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Chromosome Browser on FTDNA > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > Sorry if this has been discussed. I am wondering how people are using the > Chromosome Browser? I have made a spreadsheet and note the major matches > on it > so I can see who to check against. I use the last name of the match and > when I > think I know the Surname in common, I put that in Caps. > > Is anyone else doing something like this? If I see a match between one > Surname > on one section of the Chromosome, I am guessing this is the likely Name for > that segment. > Just wondering if I am understanding the chromosome browser. :) > > Chris > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of AUTOSOMAL-DNA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 96 > ******************************************** >

Sorry if this has been discussed. I am wondering how people are using the Chromosome Browser? I have made a spreadsheet and note the major matches on it so I can see who to check against. I use the last name of the match and when I think I know the Surname in common, I put that in Caps. Is anyone else doing something like this? If I see a match between one Surname on one section of the Chromosome, I am guessing this is the likely Name for that segment. Just wondering if I am understanding the chromosome browser. :) Chris

This subject, along with some other project queries in the last couple of days has contributed to making me more aware of the advantages of looking at the Family Finder Matrix within my projects and utilising that matrix. Sadly, not many Y-DNA testers have bothered with Family Finder and they are, in my opinion, missing out on a vast untapped resource. I say that because:- 1. Many women do not have male siblings, nor a living father, uncle etc BUT those women who take the plunge into DNA and their atDNA (and test for Family Finder) often have wonderful genealogy trees 2. If males do not test their atDNA (Family Finder), these same women will never be able to make contact (remember that it is often these women who have exemplary Family trees). 3. Many men are ignoring the female sides of their genetic makeup and concentrating purely on their paternity - which may or may not be per their birth certificates. So, thank you all for bringing this matter up... my internal admin duties are now increased and enhanced as a result... Gail Riddell On 17/06/2012, at 6:45 PM, Diana Gale Matthiesen wrote: > You request a FF project by contacting the Helpdesk. There's some > helpful information on this FAQ and the several following it: > http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers.aspx?id=7#599 > > However, and frankly, because FF results are not displayed, I don't > necessarily see a compelling reason to open one. I opened one > because, so far, 13 of the 14 family members who have been or are > being FF tested were funded by me. I simply got tired of logging in > and out of each one's account. This way, as project admin, I need > only log in to my GAP once - the same GAP I log into to admin my other > projects, so it's largely a convenience for me. > > My FF project has only been open a few days, and this is what it looks > like, so far: > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/IDavis-TThompson/ > > The FF projects do not come up when you search on a surname at the > FTDNA home page, nor do they show up on the projects list someone sees > when they click "Join Projects" from their member page. It's intended > that membership will be by invitation only. Eventually, the project's > web page should come up on a Google search, so I made certain key > names, places, and events were on the project's Background page. > > My hope would be that FTDNA would give us some tools to make FF > projects more useful. For example, a single table that would show > mutual matches between all family members, at once, rather like I've > already done: > http://dgmweb.net/DNA/aDNA/FF-Descendants_Isaac_DAVIS.html > > The problems with my "mutual match" table are 1) it was a lot of > trouble to create, 2) it constantly becomes out-of-date, and 3) it > only displays the surnames of matching individuals, not matching > segments. I still consider myself a novice when it comes to autosomal > testing, so I'm certain there are others who can think of better tools > and better ways to display results and progress. IMO, we need to > press FTDNA to give us a useful display for our FF project web sites. > They clearly have the data available and are currently making it > available to us individually. It's a matter of programming some new > reports with the features a FF project (i.e., multiple members) could > use. > > Diana > > P.S. I actually joined some other family members to the project, ones > who don't descend from the project's founding couples. Both their > Y-DNA and/or mtDNA results are suppressed, so again, this is for my > convenience - an unintended perk for being an admin. You could do > this with any of your projects (i.e., bring your relatives under one > umbrella) as long as you suppress display of any results that are > irrelevant to the particular project. > > > > > > >> From: Kathleen Cooper >> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:05 PM >> >> Hi Diana, >> >> I am new to the group and I did not know FF projects could be opened >> at >> FTDNA. >> >> How do we find out what projects are available? How and why would we >> start one? >> >> I administer a surname project (McElrea) and I've been wondering how >> to >> organize the FF tests along with the y- and mt-DNA. Is it better to >> have >> a separate project, or perhaps I'm just missing something? Ours is a >> small project and I admit I am still finding my way around the admin >> job! >> >> Thanks, >> Kathleen > > > > > ______________________________ > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: > http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Christina, Thanks for the feedback. Although I have solid Y-DNA evidence of my BARTLETT line, I have only one match on this line. It all depends on how many descendants your PA ancestors had, how many have taken FF, and the luck of the draw as to what mix of DNA went to you and others who took the test. IMO, it's important to email every match, and look for others with ancestry in your area of PA. After you've done what you can with FF, be sure to visit GEDmatch.com and follow their instructions to upload your data to them. I've found over 200 additional atDNA matches (and emails) there. The more matches, the more opportunities to link with specific ancestors. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Jun 17, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Christina Hunt <[email protected]> wrote: > Jim, > I just want to agree with you. I just got my husband a DNA test for Father's > Day and I got him the Family Finder. I don't expect much to come from the a > Hunt YDNA test, but I really want to know about his Irish ancestors. > I have seen people say autosomal is baloney, but having had it done for myself > at Christmas time, I have had some very clear matches with people. Others have > given me new ideas. All have pretty much been 6-8 generation back. Not just the > 5 I thought I would see. > > No Bartletts yet though. I was hoping for my PA Bartletts to be "found". > > Chris

In taking the FTDNA FF test one might find some very unexpected results.  In the matches m y husband and I are related to several people wh o are related to each other, although my husband and I do not show up as relating to each other in the matches.  In further exploration I found a utility in GED match that shows my husband and I are 6.9 generations apart.  Thank goodness it was not closer.    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina Hunt" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 2:19:35 PM Subject: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Family Finder Jim, I just want to agree with you. I just got my husband a DNA test for Father's Day and I got him the Family Finder. I don't expect much to come from the a Hunt YDNA test, but I really want to know about his Irish ancestors. I have seen people say autosomal is baloney, but having had it done for myself at Christmas time, I have had some very clear matches with people. Others have given me new ideas. All have pretty much been 6-8 generation back. Not just the 5 I thought I would see. No Bartletts yet though. I was hoping for my PA Bartletts to be "found". Chris [email protected] wrote: > Thanks for your summary - I agree. In teaching genealogy, I constantly state that ALL serious genealogists should take the Family Finder DNA test! > > It's taken a decade to get many genealogists to accept DNA testing and get interested in it. Unfortunately our message that only men can be tested has sunk in, and many will parrot that back to me - the education must start over. Now I always say there is a NEW DNA test ANYONE (males and females) can take that reports back your cousins from ALL your ancestry. I'll probably be saying new for the next decade. I add that Y-DNA and mtDNA testing cover less than one percent of your family tree; Family Finder covers it all, one hundred percent! Your Y-DNA and mtDNA Haplogroups provide deep ancestry on a very small part of who you really are (this last sentence is a little slight of hand, because FF does not give any Hg - it's intended to reinforce the thought that each person's genetic makeup (their essence, if you will) is so much more than what's indicated by Y and mt testing. We are much more diverse, and rich, that the old tests describe. > > Jim - ______________________________ For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jim, I just want to agree with you. I just got my husband a DNA test for Father's Day and I got him the Family Finder. I don't expect much to come from the a Hunt YDNA test, but I really want to know about his Irish ancestors. I have seen people say autosomal is baloney, but having had it done for myself at Christmas time, I have had some very clear matches with people. Others have given me new ideas. All have pretty much been 6-8 generation back. Not just the 5 I thought I would see. No Bartletts yet though. I was hoping for my PA Bartletts to be "found". Chris [email protected] wrote: > Thanks for your summary - I agree. In teaching genealogy, I constantly state that ALL serious genealogists should take the Family Finder DNA test! > > It's taken a decade to get many genealogists to accept DNA testing and get interested in it. Unfortunately our message that only men can be tested has sunk in, and many will parrot that back to me - the education must start over. Now I always say there is a NEW DNA test ANYONE (males and females) can take that reports back your cousins from ALL your ancestry. I'll probably be saying new for the next decade. I add that Y-DNA and mtDNA testing cover less than one percent of your family tree; Family Finder covers it all, one hundred percent! Your Y-DNA and mtDNA Haplogroups provide deep ancestry on a very small part of who you really are (this last sentence is a little slight of hand, because FF does not give any Hg - it's intended to reinforce the thought that each person's genetic makeup (their essence, if you will) is so much more than what's indicated by Y and mt testing. We are much more diverse, and rich, that the old tests describe. > > Jim -

You take the FF test, and match me, and I'll fill in your match with me. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Jun 17, 2012, at 9:39 AM, [email protected] wrote: > How many years do you think it will be before someone develops a program that will be able to take a blank family tree and actually "plug in" all the Family Finder cousins for that individual ?? What an epiphany ! I would pay big bucks for that. All you geeks out there get to work on this. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Bartlett" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 9:04:09 AM > Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] adding members to your FTDNA FamilyFinder project > > Gail > > Thanks for your summary - I agree. In teaching genealogy, I constantly state that ALL serious genealogists should take the Family Finder DNA test! > > It's taken a decade to get many genealogists to accept DNA testing and get interested in it. Unfortunately our message that only men can be tested has sunk in, and many will parrot that back to me - the education must start over. Now I always say there is a NEW DNA test ANYONE (males and females) can take that reports back your cousins from ALL your ancestry. I'll probably be saying new for the next decade. I add that Y-DNA and mtDNA testing cover less than one percent of your family tree; Family Finder covers it all, one hundred percent! Your Y-DNA and mtDNA Haplogroups provide deep ancestry on a very small part of who you really are (this last sentence is a little slight of hand, because FF does not give any Hg - it's intended to reinforce the thought that each person's genetic makeup (their essence, if you will) is so much more than what's indicated by Y and mt testing. We are much more diverse, and rich, that the old tests describe. > > Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > > On Jun 17, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Gail Riddell <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> This subject, along with some other project queries in the last couple of days has contributed to making me more aware of the advantages of looking at the Family Finder Matrix within my projects and utilising that matrix. >> >> Sadly, not many Y-DNA testers have bothered with Family Finder and they are, in my opinion, missing out on a vast untapped resource. >> I say that because:- >> 1. Many women do not have male siblings, nor a living father, uncle etc BUT those women who take the plunge into DNA and their atDNA (and test for Family Finder) often have wonderful genealogy trees >> 2. If males do not test their atDNA (Family Finder), these same women will never be able to make contact (remember that it is often these women who have exemplary Family trees). >> 3. Many men are ignoring the female sides of their genetic makeup and concentrating purely on their paternity - which may or may not be per their birth certificates. >> >> So, thank you all for bringing this matter up... my internal admin duties are now increased and enhanced as a result... >> >> Gail Riddell >> > > > > ______________________________ > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: > http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ______________________________ > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: > http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Someone alerted me offlist (thank you!) that the table I mentioned wasn't on the page. Sometimes my web software tells me a page has been uploaded successfully, when actually it hasn't. Bad on me for not checking because this would be one of those times. I've re-uploaded the page, and this time I checked to see if the entire page made it. It did. > From: Diana Gale Matthiesen > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 2:45 AM > <snip> > My hope would be that FTDNA would give us some tools > to make FF projects more useful. For example, a > single table that would show mutual matches between > all family members, at once, rather like I've > already done: > http://dgmweb.net/DNA/aDNA/FF-Descendants_Isaac_DAVIS.html > <snip>

How many years do you think it will be before someone develops a program that will be able to take a blank family tree and actually "plug in" all the Family Finder cousins for that individual ??  What an epiphany ! I would pay big bucks for that.  All you geeks out there get to work on this.    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Bartlett" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 9:04:09 AM Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] adding members to your        FTDNA        FamilyFinder        project Gail Thanks for your summary - I agree. In teaching genealogy, I constantly state that ALL serious genealogists should take the Family Finder DNA test! It's taken a decade to get many genealogists to accept DNA testing and get interested in it. Unfortunately our message that only men can be tested has sunk in, and many will parrot that back to me - the education must start over. Now I always say there is a NEW DNA test ANYONE (males and females) can take that reports back your cousins from ALL your ancestry. I'll probably be saying new for the next decade. I add that Y-DNA and mtDNA testing cover less than one percent of your family tree; Family Finder covers it all, one hundred percent! Your Y-DNA and mtDNA Haplogroups provide deep ancestry on a very small part of who you really are (this last sentence is a little slight of hand, because FF does not give any Hg - it's intended to reinforce the thought that each person's genetic makeup (their essence, if you will) is so much more than what's indicated by Y and mt testing. We are much more diverse, and rich, that the old tests describe. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Jun 17, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Gail Riddell <[email protected]> wrote: > > This subject, along with some other project queries in the last couple of days has contributed to making me more aware of the advantages of looking at the Family Finder Matrix within my projects and utilising that matrix. > > Sadly, not many Y-DNA testers have bothered with Family Finder and they are, in my opinion, missing out on a vast untapped resource. > I say that because:- > 1.  Many women do not have male siblings, nor a living father, uncle etc  BUT those women who take the plunge into DNA and their atDNA (and test for Family Finder) often have wonderful genealogy trees > 2.  If males do not test their atDNA (Family Finder), these same women will never be able to make contact (remember that it is often these women who have exemplary Family trees). > 3.  Many men are ignoring the female sides of their genetic makeup and concentrating purely on their paternity - which may or may not be per their birth certificates. > > So, thank you all for bringing this matter up...  my internal admin duties are now increased and enhanced as a result... > > Gail Riddell > ______________________________ For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well said Jim .... I will probably "borrow" some of those thoughts in my communications with "cousins" ..... and aren't we all ? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Bartlett" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 7:04:09 AM Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] adding members to your        FTDNA        FamilyFinder        project Gail Thanks for your summary - I agree. In teaching genealogy, I constantly state that ALL serious genealogists should take the Family Finder DNA test! It's taken a decade to get many genealogists to accept DNA testing and get interested in it. Unfortunately our message that only men can be tested has sunk in, and many will parrot that back to me - the education must start over. Now I always say there is a NEW DNA test ANYONE (males and females) can take that reports back your cousins from ALL your ancestry. I'll probably be saying new for the next decade. I add that Y-DNA and mtDNA testing cover less than one percent of your family tree; Family Finder covers it all, one hundred percent! Your Y-DNA and mtDNA Haplogroups provide deep ancestry on a very small part of who you really are (this last sentence is a little slight of hand, because FF does not give any Hg - it's intended to reinforce the thought that each person's genetic makeup (their essence, if you will) is so much more than what's indicated by Y and mt testing. We are much more diverse, and rich, that the old tests describe. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime!  

On your GAP, over in the right-hand column under, "Project Administration," is a link to "Public Results Display Settings" where you can control individual display of results. This used to be much easier to do on the old GAP, where there was a simple pair of checkboxes on each row of the membership roster. This change was definitely not an improvement. Diana > From: Jim Bartlett > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 9:13 AM > > Diana > > Thanks for this info. How do we suppress Y-DNA and mtDNA info? > > Jim

And I agree with you both!! I have been so puzzled how to accomplish our goals with y-DNA testing and my interest was sparked when I met CeCe Moore and she started me on this autosomal "thing." Jim, I've been reading the archives of this list and so appreciate your tips and encouragement. Kathleen On 6/17/2012 6:04 AM, Jim Bartlett wrote: > Gail > > Thanks for your summary - I agree. In teaching genealogy, I constantly state that ALL serious genealogists should take the Family Finder DNA test! > > It's taken a decade to get many genealogists to accept DNA testing and get interested in it. Unfortunately our message that only men can be tested has sunk in, and many will parrot that back to me - the education must start over. Now I always say there is a NEW DNA test ANYONE (males and females) can take that reports back your cousins from ALL your ancestry. I'll probably be saying new for the next decade. I add that Y-DNA and mtDNA testing cover less than one percent of your family tree; Family Finder covers it all, one hundred percent! Your Y-DNA and mtDNA Haplogroups provide deep ancestry on a very small part of who you really are (this last sentence is a little slight of hand, because FF does not give any Hg - it's intended to reinforce the thought that each person's genetic makeup (their essence, if you will) is so much more than what's indicated by Y and mt testing. We are much more diverse, and rich, that the old tests describe. > > Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! > > On Jun 17, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Gail Riddell<[email protected]> wrote: > >> This subject, along with some other project queries in the last couple of days has contributed to making me more aware of the advantages of looking at the Family Finder Matrix within my projects and utilising that matrix. >> >> Sadly, not many Y-DNA testers have bothered with Family Finder and they are, in my opinion, missing out on a vast untapped resource. >> I say that because:- >> 1. Many women do not have male siblings, nor a living father, uncle etc BUT those women who take the plunge into DNA and their atDNA (and test for Family Finder) often have wonderful genealogy trees >> 2. If males do not test their atDNA (Family Finder), these same women will never be able to make contact (remember that it is often these women who have exemplary Family trees). >> 3. Many men are ignoring the female sides of their genetic makeup and concentrating purely on their paternity - which may or may not be per their birth certificates. >> >> So, thank you all for bringing this matter up... my internal admin duties are now increased and enhanced as a result... >> >> Gail Riddell >>

Thanks for that very clear and informative reply, Diana. You have put a lot of work into your projects! I can only hope to become a fraction that organized some day. Interestingly, I searched the FAQ before I asked this question and couldn't find anything. I don't know if it is FTDNA's search function or my queries, but I often have that problem, so I am very thankful to those of you who answer these questions on the lists (I'm also on the Newbie list). Our project is a combination of Surname and Family Finder. McElrea, my mother's maiden name, is an unusual name found in Ulster and primarily in a tiny spot of County Tyrone. As with a lot of Irish families in the 19th and 20th centuries, they left and settled elsewhere. A large contingent went to New Zealand and are still in touch with their family in Ireland. Individuals and smaller families went to Canada, the US, and England and did not maintain contact. I have found (and proved by traditional research) one line of my mother's family still in Ireland. I have been researching the name for a number of years and met a number of "cousins" also interested. One of our y-testers is very interested in the origins of the name (Irish or Scottish?) and is pursuing that end through deep SNP testing. We also want to find out if there are links to the other McElreas (and spelling variants) we have found in our research. Additionally, we are watching for clues that our surname might have morphed over time from some other name (McElroy is the most obvious). Since my mother and all of her siblings are now gone and I cannot persuade one of the male cousins to test, I have done the FF test and another Canadian female "cousin" is about to do the same. I have just been approached by one of our Australia branch to test, so at least we finally have a beginning. Our two y-testers (different Canadian branches) so far match at 25 and 67, but not 37. I would like another tester from Canada, but none are forthcoming at the moment. What I am saying here is that if our project only consisted of male y-DNA testers, we would be in poor shape! My thinking is that we need both y-DNA and FF to get an overall picture of this surname and its families' origins. For instance, my Canadian cousin mentioned above is almost my twin in appearance - my own mother took a photo of her for me at first glance. I know that isn't evidence, but added to the fact that our great-grandfathers came from the same very small townland in Ireland it is certainly curious. Unfortunately, the lack of written records at the time leaves her with a huge brick wall. How to display this on a site for people to understand is a puzzle. Sorry to be so long-winded, but it seemed the time and place to put it all down in writing. Kathleen On 6/16/2012 11:45 PM, Diana Gale Matthiesen wrote: > You request a FF project by contacting the Helpdesk. There's some > helpful information on this FAQ and the several following it: > http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers.aspx?id=7#599 > > However, and frankly, because FF results are not displayed, I don't > necessarily see a compelling reason to open one. I opened one > because, so far, 13 of the 14 family members who have been or are > being FF tested were funded by me. I simply got tired of logging in > and out of each one's account. This way, as project admin, I need > only log in to my GAP once - the same GAP I log into to admin my other > projects, so it's largely a convenience for me. > > My FF project has only been open a few days, and this is what it looks > like, so far: > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/IDavis-TThompson/ > > The FF projects do not come up when you search on a surname at the > FTDNA home page, nor do they show up on the projects list someone sees > when they click "Join Projects" from their member page. It's intended > that membership will be by invitation only. Eventually, the project's > web page should come up on a Google search, so I made certain key > names, places, and events were on the project's Background page. > > My hope would be that FTDNA would give us some tools to make FF > projects more useful. For example, a single table that would show > mutual matches between all family members, at once, rather like I've > already done: > http://dgmweb.net/DNA/aDNA/FF-Descendants_Isaac_DAVIS.html > > The problems with my "mutual match" table are 1) it was a lot of > trouble to create, 2) it constantly becomes out-of-date, and 3) it > only displays the surnames of matching individuals, not matching > segments. I still consider myself a novice when it comes to autosomal > testing, so I'm certain there are others who can think of better tools > and better ways to display results and progress. IMO, we need to > press FTDNA to give us a useful display for our FF project web sites. > They clearly have the data available and are currently making it > available to us individually. It's a matter of programming some new > reports with the features a FF project (i.e., multiple members) could > use. > > Diana > > P.S. I actually joined some other family members to the project, ones > who don't descend from the project's founding couples. Both their > Y-DNA and/or mtDNA results are suppressed, so again, this is for my > convenience - an unintended perk for being an admin. You could do > this with any of your projects (i.e., bring your relatives under one > umbrella) as long as you suppress display of any results that are > irrelevant to the particular project. > > > > > > >> From: Kathleen Cooper >> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:05 PM >> >> Hi Diana, >> >> I am new to the group and I did not know FF projects could be opened >> at >> FTDNA. >> >> How do we find out what projects are available? How and why would we >> start one? >> >> I administer a surname project (McElrea) and I've been wondering how >> to >> organize the FF tests along with the y- and mt-DNA. Is it better to >> have >> a separate project, or perhaps I'm just missing something? Ours is a >> small project and I admit I am still finding my way around the admin >> job! >> >> Thanks, >> Kathleen > >

Diana Thanks for this info. How do we suppress Y-DNA and mtDNA info? Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Jun 17, 2012, at 2:45 AM, "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <[email protected]> wrote: > You request a FF project by contacting the Helpdesk. There's some > helpful information on this FAQ and the several following it: > http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers.aspx?id=7#599 > > <snip> > Diana > > P.S. I actually joined some other family members to the project, ones > who don't descend from the project's founding couples. Both their > Y-DNA and/or mtDNA results are suppressed, so again, this is for my > convenience - an unintended perk for being an admin. You could do > this with any of your projects (i.e., bring your relatives under one > umbrella) as long as you suppress display of any results that are > irrelevant to the particular project.

Gail Thanks for your summary - I agree. In teaching genealogy, I constantly state that ALL serious genealogists should take the Family Finder DNA test! It's taken a decade to get many genealogists to accept DNA testing and get interested in it. Unfortunately our message that only men can be tested has sunk in, and many will parrot that back to me - the education must start over. Now I always say there is a NEW DNA test ANYONE (males and females) can take that reports back your cousins from ALL your ancestry. I'll probably be saying new for the next decade. I add that Y-DNA and mtDNA testing cover less than one percent of your family tree; Family Finder covers it all, one hundred percent! Your Y-DNA and mtDNA Haplogroups provide deep ancestry on a very small part of who you really are (this last sentence is a little slight of hand, because FF does not give any Hg - it's intended to reinforce the thought that each person's genetic makeup (their essence, if you will) is so much more than what's indicated by Y and mt testing. We are much more diverse, and rich, that the old tests describe. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Jun 17, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Gail Riddell <[email protected]> wrote: > > This subject, along with some other project queries in the last couple of days has contributed to making me more aware of the advantages of looking at the Family Finder Matrix within my projects and utilising that matrix. > > Sadly, not many Y-DNA testers have bothered with Family Finder and they are, in my opinion, missing out on a vast untapped resource. > I say that because:- > 1. Many women do not have male siblings, nor a living father, uncle etc BUT those women who take the plunge into DNA and their atDNA (and test for Family Finder) often have wonderful genealogy trees > 2. If males do not test their atDNA (Family Finder), these same women will never be able to make contact (remember that it is often these women who have exemplary Family trees). > 3. Many men are ignoring the female sides of their genetic makeup and concentrating purely on their paternity - which may or may not be per their birth certificates. > > So, thank you all for bringing this matter up... my internal admin duties are now increased and enhanced as a result... > > Gail Riddell >

You request a FF project by contacting the Helpdesk. There's some helpful information on this FAQ and the several following it: http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers.aspx?id=7#599 However, and frankly, because FF results are not displayed, I don't necessarily see a compelling reason to open one. I opened one because, so far, 13 of the 14 family members who have been or are being FF tested were funded by me. I simply got tired of logging in and out of each one's account. This way, as project admin, I need only log in to my GAP once - the same GAP I log into to admin my other projects, so it's largely a convenience for me. My FF project has only been open a few days, and this is what it looks like, so far: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/IDavis-TThompson/ The FF projects do not come up when you search on a surname at the FTDNA home page, nor do they show up on the projects list someone sees when they click "Join Projects" from their member page. It's intended that membership will be by invitation only. Eventually, the project's web page should come up on a Google search, so I made certain key names, places, and events were on the project's Background page. My hope would be that FTDNA would give us some tools to make FF projects more useful. For example, a single table that would show mutual matches between all family members, at once, rather like I've already done: http://dgmweb.net/DNA/aDNA/FF-Descendants_Isaac_DAVIS.html The problems with my "mutual match" table are 1) it was a lot of trouble to create, 2) it constantly becomes out-of-date, and 3) it only displays the surnames of matching individuals, not matching segments. I still consider myself a novice when it comes to autosomal testing, so I'm certain there are others who can think of better tools and better ways to display results and progress. IMO, we need to press FTDNA to give us a useful display for our FF project web sites. They clearly have the data available and are currently making it available to us individually. It's a matter of programming some new reports with the features a FF project (i.e., multiple members) could use. Diana P.S. I actually joined some other family members to the project, ones who don't descend from the project's founding couples. Both their Y-DNA and/or mtDNA results are suppressed, so again, this is for my convenience - an unintended perk for being an admin. You could do this with any of your projects (i.e., bring your relatives under one umbrella) as long as you suppress display of any results that are irrelevant to the particular project. > From: Kathleen Cooper > Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:05 PM > > Hi Diana, > > I am new to the group and I did not know FF projects could be opened > at > FTDNA. > > How do we find out what projects are available? How and why would we > start one? > > I administer a surname project (McElrea) and I've been wondering how > to > organize the FF tests along with the y- and mt-DNA. Is it better to > have > a separate project, or perhaps I'm just missing something? Ours is a > small project and I admit I am still finding my way around the admin > job! > > Thanks, > Kathleen

I've been asked offlist how to do this, but thought I might as well respond on the list. As I presume most of you are aware, we can now open "Family Finder" projects at FTDNA. Obviously, existing clients cannot use the usual route to "Join Projects," because FF projects are not listed among those offered via their member page. What you have to do is get the project's join link to them some other way, and I can see two ways to do this. One is to give them the link to the project's FTDNA web page and have them click the "Join Request" item from the menubar. If they are not logged in to their account, they will be faced with a login dialog. When completed, they will be offered a page with a textbox requesting information and a "Request" button. If they are already logged in to their account and they click the above mentioned "Join Request" menu item, they will be taken directly to the page with the textbox and Request button. The other is for you to login as admin to the project, then copy the link from the Profile. It's the one labeled "Returning Join Link." Then email it to them. If they are new clients, you again have two options: one is to direct them to the "Join Request" item from the menubar on the project's web page; the other is to email them the "Join Link" (as opposed to the "Returning Join Link") from the Profile page of your web site. Obviously, you then need to go to the "Join Authorization" page of your GAP to let them in. Diana

Hi Diana, I am new to the group and I did not know FF projects could be opened at FTDNA. How do we find out what projects are available? How and why would we start one? I administer a surname project (McElrea) and I've been wondering how to organize the FF tests along with the y- and mt-DNA. Is it better to have a separate project, or perhaps I'm just missing something? Ours is a small project and I admit I am still finding my way around the admin job! Thanks, Kathleen On 6/16/2012 1:38 PM, Diana Gale Matthiesen wrote: > I've been asked offlist how to do this, but thought I might as well > respond on the list. > > As I presume most of you are aware, we can now open "Family Finder" > projects at FTDNA. Obviously, existing clients cannot use the usual > route to "Join Projects," because FF projects are not listed among > those offered via their member page. What you have to do is get the > project's join link to them some other way, and I can see two ways to > do this. > > One is to give them the link to the project's FTDNA web page and have > them click the "Join Request" item from the menubar. If they are not > logged in to their account, they will be faced with a login dialog. > When completed, they will be offered a page with a textbox requesting > information and a "Request" button. If they are already logged in to > their account and they click the above mentioned "Join Request" menu > item, they will be taken directly to the page with the textbox and > Request button. > > The other is for you to login as admin to the project, then copy the > link from the Profile. It's the one labeled "Returning Join Link." > Then email it to them. > > If they are new clients, you again have two options: one is to direct > them to the "Join Request" item from the menubar on the project's web > page; the other is to email them the "Join Link" (as opposed to the > "Returning Join Link") from the Profile page of your web site. > > Obviously, you then need to go to the "Join Authorization" page of > your GAP to let them in. > > Diana > > > > ______________________________ > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: > http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Diana :) On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Diana Gale Matthiesen <[email protected]> wrote: > I've been asked offlist how to do this, but thought I might as well > respond on the list. > > As I presume most of you are aware, we can now open "Family Finder" > projects at FTDNA.  Obviously, existing clients cannot use the usual > route to "Join Projects," because FF projects are not listed among > those offered via their member page.  What you have to do is get the > project's join link to them some other way, and I can see two ways to > do this. > > One is to give them the link to the project's FTDNA web page and have > them click the "Join Request" item from the menubar.  If they are not > logged in to their account, they will be faced with a login dialog. > When completed, they will be offered a page with a textbox requesting > information and a "Request" button.  If they are already logged in to > their account and they click the above mentioned "Join Request" menu > item, they will be taken directly to the page with the textbox and > Request button. > > The other is for you to login as admin to the project, then copy the > link from the Profile.  It's the one labeled "Returning Join Link." > Then email it to them. > > If they are new clients, you again have two options:  one is to direct > them to the "Join Request" item from the menubar on the project's web > page; the other is to email them the "Join Link" (as opposed to the > "Returning Join Link") from the Profile page of your web site. > > Obviously, you then need to go to the "Join Authorization" page of > your GAP to let them in. > > Diana

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