Can I please get some personal experience 'How long is Ancestry.com taking to report one's atDNA results?' I'm just wondering if it's 'weeks' or 'months', or if it greatly varies :( melissa

Dear Mark, Thanks very much for your advice. Check out Curtis Rogers post also. I am in the Digest mode so only received both answers this morning in my 2:00 am email and I find these answers make the chore at hand seem much easier. Appreciate the response. Linda

Dear Curtis, Thanks very much for this direct help...........very grateful. Linda McKee ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 18:24:39 -0400 From: Curtis Rogers<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] SUBJECT: How do you update GEDmatch.com account To:[email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Linda, To update DNA or GEDCOM results, please contact an Administrator. We will delete your old data and you can upload the new improved version. I know this may seem a bit awkward, but we do this to protect data from being corrupted by outsiders. Curtis Rogers

Linda, To update DNA or GEDCOM results, please contact an Administrator. We will delete your old data and you can upload the new improved version. I know this may seem a bit awkward, but we do this to protect data from being corrupted by outsiders. Curtis Rogers > > > > > > ______________________________ > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: > http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Could someone point me to the best way to find a researcher that I could pay to help me sort through my Family Finder results? I've organized my matches in several different ways, utilized the GEDMATCH utilities, corresponded with many matches, etc. but just feel frustrated that the puzzle pieces won't yet fit together. I've also got some curiosities (people who match both my father and my mother, yet my father and mother were not related according to GEDMATCH). Thanks for any advice. Another set of trained eyes would be so nice to have, and something I'm willing to pay for. --Lana ---------------------- "The young women of today-free to study, to speak, to write, to choose their occupation–should remember that every inch of this freedom was bought for them at a great price… the debt that each generation owes to the past, it must pay to the future." ~ Abigail Scott Dunaway ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:00 AM Subject: AUTOSOMAL-DNA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 98 Today's Topics:   1. Re: Chromosome Browser on FTDNA (Tim Janzen)   2. Re: Chromosome Browser on FTDNA (Christina Hunt) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 00:26:49 -0700 From: "Tim Janzen" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Chromosome Browser on FTDNA To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii" Dear Chris,     What I do is download the comparison data for the matches for my parents, my wife's parents, my wife, and me periodically.  You do this from the chromosome browser web page, then select 5 people, and then click on "Download to Excel" in the right lower corner of the web page.  You can unfortunately download the data for 5 people at a time.  The first time you do this you have to do it for all of your matches.  Subsequently, you only have to do this for new matches.  You then have to merge all of the downloaded data files into a single file for each person you have an account for (in my case 6 people).  I then sort each of these files by the number of cMs in the matching segment and discard all matching segments less than 3.5 cMs.  My belief is that a relatively low portion of the matching segments (HIRs) less than 3.5 cMs will be identical by descent (IBD) and that most will be false matches (identical by state).  Thus for now I choose not to keep track of HIRs that are less than 3.5 cMs.  A significant portion of the matching segments between 3.5 and 9 cMs will be false matches as well, but I don't worry about that, at least for now.  I then add a column in the files for my parents that indicates whether or not I also match the person on the segment in question.  I do the same for my wife's parents.  I then merge this data with all of the data I have in similar files for all of the matches at 23andMe for my parents, my wife's parents, my wife, and me.  I then sort the files for my parents and my wife's parents first by chromosome, then by whether or not my wife or I match the person in question, and then by start position.  I also add correspondence in this file.  See http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21841126/23andMe%20and%20FF%20matches%20for%20Betty% 20Janzen%20(public).xls for this file for my mother (minus the names of the matches and minus the correspondence).  I would suggest you create a similar file for yourself and the other people whose account you manage at either 23andMe or on a FTDNA Family Finder account.  I use these files in conjunction with the chromosome maps I am creating for my parents.  See http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21841126/phased%20genome%20of%20Robert%20and%20Betty %20Janzen.zip for a relatively recent chromosome map for my mother.  I also request pedigree charts or GEDCOM files showing the ancestries of all of the matches for my parents and my wife's parents. I keep all of those pedigree charts on file for reference and then I compare the pedigree charts if the people in question have segments that overlap with other matches on the same chromosome at the same position. Sincerely, Tim Janzen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christina Hunt Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 5:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Chromosome Browser on FTDNA Sorry if this has been discussed. I am wondering how people are using the Chromosome Browser? I have made a spreadsheet and note the major matches on it so I can see who to check against. I use the last name of the match and when I think I know the Surname in common, I put that in Caps. Is anyone else doing something like this? If I see a match between one Surname on one section of the Chromosome, I am guessing this is the likely Name for that segment. Just wondering if I am understanding the chromosome browser. :) Chris ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 08:22:43 -0400 From: Christina Hunt <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Chromosome Browser on FTDNA To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Thanks Mark. I just wanted to know how to use it. I appreciate your response. Chris > I am doing exactly that Christina. > > I am a little behind on it as I also take care of 3 other family members as > well, but we all have between 45-75 matches each so it's not too cumbersome. > More of my efforts going to a lot of genealogical data searching online, > regarding ancestry of those on my biggest chromosome cluster. > Got lots of potential paths to walk down, lot's of places to look. > > Mark ------------------------------ End of AUTOSOMAL-DNA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 98 ********************************************

Hello Linda, I have updated my "Match Results" for the triangulation utility at GEDmatch. This I believe is important to do once in awhile as the number of matches grows. (and hopefully as relationships are confirmed) (on the other hand the autosomal DNA raw data, would only be needed to upload once) I believe downloading the matches, fresh from FTDNA Family FInder, and then uploading that file to GEDmatch, - just following the process, will overwrite the old data there. I believe if you have some or many of your matches set with a relationship, this will be evident when searching with the newly uploaded match file. Below is from GEDmatch http://gedmatch.com/entry_relationship_search.php *Relationship Triangulation Entry Form**This utility groups your matches together with matches from other submittals, and displays them together. The information is presented in a form that may provide insights to hidden relationships. To use this feature, you must enter the Kit Number for a 'Match Results' file that has already been loaded. If you haven't uploaded your match results yet, you may do so by clicking HERE<http://gedmatch.com/relationship_search1.php> for FTDNA 'match' files, or HERE<http://gedmatch.com/m-relationship_search1.php> for 23andMe Ancestry Finder files.* Good luck all! Now that you have reminded me, I will do this for all of my family members tested this weekend. Would welcome all other comments on this. Mark On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 12:00 AM, <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. SUBJECT: How do you update GEDmatch.com account (Linda) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 09:58:39 -0500 > From: Linda <[email protected]> > Subject: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] SUBJECT: How do you update GEDmatch.com > account > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hello List, > > An autosomal match lately received commented that I needed to update my > results on GEDmatch.com. Have both FF and 23andme results on > GEDmatch that I would need to update and I also recall having trouble > with what number you use for 23andme as account number for submission. > > I read the submission instructions on my GEDmatch link but I don't find > any information about how to update on current results. > > I am wondering if one makes the update using same kit number just as > though current data entry were new and goes right over the older data. > > Thought it might be faster to ask the forum than an email. > > Thanks in advance for all the really helpful advice always found here. > Linda > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of AUTOSOMAL-DNA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 104 > ********************************************* >

Hello List, An autosomal match lately received commented that I needed to update my results on GEDmatch.com. Have both FF and 23andme results on GEDmatch that I would need to update and I also recall having trouble with what number you use for 23andme as account number for submission. I read the submission instructions on my GEDmatch link but I don't find any information about how to update on current results. I am wondering if one makes the update using same kit number just as though current data entry were new and goes right over the older data. Thought it might be faster to ask the forum than an email. Thanks in advance for all the really helpful advice always found here. Linda

Mary Lou, My advice is to: 1. extend your List to 7G-gp (most of my matches are 6-8th cousins) 2. make your List alphabetical by surname, and add Patriarch date/place info (keeping it to one line) 3. include possible ancestors and alternate ancestors in your List - your matches are scanning your list, only looking for the one that is their Common Ancestor 4. contact every match, several times - be persistent, help your matches find the Common Ancestor; look at place/time matches 5. Upload your raw data to GEDmatch, and contact the new matches there (many from 23&me) Jim Bartlett I've also compiled a list of my 4th great-grandparents (many are mid-1700s) which I send to the stronger FF matches (after sending to all in March 2012 yielded few replies). It has some unknowns, but not a great many. I think the lack of tested people sharing of even surnames is the biggest problem. Any suggestions, or information as to possible forthcoming tests will be appreciated. Mary Lou McHaffie Ramsey

I would appreciate advice as to possible further testing. At present I see no need. I'm mtDNA hg V and have over 1000 HVR1 matches but on HVR2, one of the mutations is shared with no one. Most people don't seem to bother with HVR2 tests. I plan to continue waiting for matches rather than getting Full Maternal test. The earliest maternal line ancestress is Elizabeth Stevens born 1793 NC. My late husband's ydna, 12 markers, matches no one, so of course neither do our sons -- tested for more markers, so we will continue waiting on matches there. FTDNA indicates likely R1b1a. Their Family Finder results do reveal names of people who match my husband's family names. I was surprised to see their FF chromosome chart with me just appear as total, with almost unnoticeable breaks. My paternal line is my main interest, but I must wait for men willing to test. My father died when I was 11, and the few male cousins and half-cousins moved away from our area many decades ago, circa 1940. The McHaffie name (earlier McKilhaffie) is found in Wigtown Scotland for many centuries, and some of those who have tested are I2a2b yDNA haplogroup. Wigtown records are extensive, especially for the 17th century which was a time of religious persecution which involved my McHaffie ancestor of oral tradition who is found in many court records. I have encouraged my McHaffie second cousins whose families moved to west coast in 1930s to take the ydna test. I'm satisfied with my general research, typed 24,000 people in charts, online at worldconnect, and do have a couple of great FF matches that have made the tests fully worthwhile, but it looks like waiting is my best option. I often take a look at FTDNA I2 ydna results, and also the nearly 5,000 tested in the FTDNA ScottishDNA ydna list. I've appreciated the excellent advice given in this list, and from the beginning have kept large accounting sheets with all major FF matches, and nearly all matches of 4cm or over. It is now fast and easy to keep these sheets updated and I like being able to tell at a glance what dna cousins match at specific spots on each chromosome. I've also compiled a list of my 4th great-grandparents (many are mid-1700s) which I send to the stronger FF matches (after sending to all in March 2012 yielded few replies). It has some unknowns, but not a great many. I think the lack of tested people sharing of even surnames is the biggest problem. Any suggestions, or information as to possible forthcoming tests will be appreciated. Mary Lou McHaffie Ramsey

My latest blog, reviewing problems with AncestryDNA's admixture tool and an interview with Ken Chahine of AncestryDNA. http://www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com/2012/06/my-review-of-ancestrydnas-admixture.html CeCe www.yourgeneticgenealogist.com www.studiointv.com

Dear eandmshafer, You should approach this situation very cautiously. You certainly don't need to be "shocked". Do you have a child who has also been tested? If so, then I would suggest that you first phase your husband's data, your data, and your child's data. I would then review the phased 4.9 cM segment and see if it a true match (IBD) or a false match (IBS). You need to bear in mind that there is at least a 50% probability that a 4.9 cM HIR will be IBS. Sincerely, Tim Janzen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 4:25 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] [AUT. OSOMAL-DNA] Chromosome Browser Although my husband and I do not show up in each other's matches at FTDNA or Gedmatch (10cm+), in using the "autosomal comparison with one ot her person" utility, I find that we match at 6.6 genera tions, 4.9 cm largest segment and 26.1 total segmen ts. In addition, I match all of his top 15 matches (10cm+) at 3.9 - 7.3 generations. He matches all of my top 24 matches at 4.5 - 7.4 generations. - Other than being shocked, how do you interpret this? - Since these generations are so remote, would they be so unreliable as to be invalid? - Or, would we probably be 5th cousins? Thank you for any clarity you could give me.

Although my husband and I do not show up in each other's matches at FTDNA or Gedmatch (10cm+), in using the "autosomal comparison with one ot her person" utility, I find that we match at 6.6 genera tions, 4.9 cm largest segment and  26.1 total segmen ts.  In addition, I match all of his top 15 matches (10cm+) at 3.9 - 7.3 generations.  He matches all of my top 24 matches at 4.5 - 7.4 generations.  - Other than being shocked, how do you interpret this?  - Since these generations are so remote, would they be so unreliable as to be invalid?  - Or, would we probably  be 5th cousins? Thank you for any clarity you could give me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Janzen" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 11:54:35 PM Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Chromosome Browser Dear Greg,         You should review your family's list of matches to see what percentage of your parents' matches are also matching you.  In theory, 50% of your parents' matches should also match you on exactly the same segment. However, you will probably find that if you do this that the percentage of your parents' matches who also match you on exactly the same segment is somewhat less than 50%.  This would suggest that a portion of your parents' matches who don't also match you are false matches (IBS).  You don't necessarily have to test your half-brother. However, if you did then you could be reasonably certain that any people who match both your half-brother and your father but don't match you are IBD.  That can be helpful information to have, particularly if the matching segment is fairly short. You don't need to pursue your half-brother's maternal matches.  You only need to concentrate on your dad's matches.         I think that the best way to illustrate this problem is to post again some information I shared with this list on Jan. 9 and Jan. 10.  See below.  A portion of our lower level matches are IBS.  It would be nice to know that a match is IBD before you go to a lot of work trying to research someone else's family tree trying to find a genealogical connection.  I want to review and research the family trees of people I am reasonably certain share a genealogical connection with me and I want to avoid reviewing and researching the family trees of people who are false matches (IBS) to my family. Sincerely, Tim I decided to download the Ancestry Finder matches from 23andMe for my parents, my wife's parents, my wife, and me.  I then sorted the data to remove the anonymous matches.  I then compared my wife's and my matches to our parents' matches to see if any of my wife's or my matches in Ancestry Finder were not found in the Ancestry Finder matches for our parents.  Below is an analysis of the results: cMs    %IBD         %IBS >10    100 (51/51)    0 9-10    87 (14/16)   13 8-9     91 (31/34)    9 7-8     79 (33/42)   21 6-7     67 (65/97)   33 5-6     43 (80/185)  57 I decided to download the latest Family Finder data for my wife's parents, my wife, my parents, and me yesterday.  I then analyzed the data so see how many people appear in the FF match lists for my wife and me who don't appear in the FF match lists of our parents.  I then used that data to create my own statistics regarding the percentage of matches at various segment lengths in cMs to see how my data compares to the statistics that John Walden generated.         Here are my results: cMs    %IBD          %IBS >11    100 (52/52)    0 10-11   80 (12/15)   20 9-10    93 (25/27)    7 8-9     81 (34/42)   19 7-8     46 (11/24)   54 6-7     67 (4/6)     33 5-6     40 (6/15)    60 4-5     20 (10/51)   80 3.5-4   17 (11/66)   83         Below are John Walden's results from his analysis that I posted in another message several days ago: cM   %IBD  %IBS 10    99      1 9     80     20 8     50     50 7     30     70 6     20     80 5      5     95 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg Matthews Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 7:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Chromosome Browser Maybe I'm not understanding this, but why would you want to test your brothers if you already have both of your parents tested?  I had my father tested with the last FTDNA sale so I now have results at FTDNA for both parents.  I thought I'd be able to determine IBD segments now.  If this isn't the case all I have left to me is a half-brother (from my father) that could be tested.  I hesitate to go down that path because I have zero interest in the matches that might come from my brother's maternal side. Thanks Greg Matthews ______________________________ For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maybe I'm not understanding this, but why would you want to test your brothers if you already have both of your parents tested? I had my father tested with the last FTDNA sale so I now have results at FTDNA for both parents. I thought I'd be able to determine IBD segments now. If this isn't the case all I have left to me is a half-brother (from my father) that could be tested. I hesitate to go down that path because I have zero interest in the matches that might come from my brother's maternal side. Thanks Greg Matthews On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Tim Janzen <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Chris and Jim, > As a general rule for segments between 5 and 10 cMs in length if > both a parent and a child both have an HIR on the same segment that they > share with a match match at 23andMe or Family Finder, then that particular > segment is IBD. If the parent matches someone else, but the child doesn't > match that person then you can't be certain whether or not the segment is > IBD or IBS without more information. The more children that are tested in > situations like this, the higher the chance you will be able to determine > if > a segment if IBD or not. If you test 2 children and one parent then you > should be able to identify 75% of all IBD segments. If you test 3 children > and one parent then you should be able to identify 87.5% of all IBD > segments. If you test 4 children and one parent then you should be able to > identify 93.75% of all IBD segments. This is one of the main reasons I > plan > to do autosomal tests on my two brothers in the near future even though I > have already tested my parents. > Sincerely, > Tim Janzen > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Bartlett > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 5:46 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Chromosome Browser > > Chris > > IBD means it's from an ancestor; IBS means it could have been contributed > by > a variety of ancestors, and it's just in the DNA "soup". But the segments > don't come with tags indicating which they are, so you don't know if a > segment is IBD or IBS. Some folks deal only with segments over 10-12cM or > so > to pretty much guarantee they are IBD and come from a specific ancestor. > > Jim > > > > ______________________________ > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: > http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Greg, You should review your family's list of matches to see what percentage of your parents' matches are also matching you. In theory, 50% of your parents' matches should also match you on exactly the same segment. However, you will probably find that if you do this that the percentage of your parents' matches who also match you on exactly the same segment is somewhat less than 50%. This would suggest that a portion of your parents' matches who don't also match you are false matches (IBS). You don't necessarily have to test your half-brother. However, if you did then you could be reasonably certain that any people who match both your half-brother and your father but don't match you are IBD. That can be helpful information to have, particularly if the matching segment is fairly short. You don't need to pursue your half-brother's maternal matches. You only need to concentrate on your dad's matches. I think that the best way to illustrate this problem is to post again some information I shared with this list on Jan. 9 and Jan. 10. See below. A portion of our lower level matches are IBS. It would be nice to know that a match is IBD before you go to a lot of work trying to research someone else's family tree trying to find a genealogical connection. I want to review and research the family trees of people I am reasonably certain share a genealogical connection with me and I want to avoid reviewing and researching the family trees of people who are false matches (IBS) to my family. Sincerely, Tim I decided to download the Ancestry Finder matches from 23andMe for my parents, my wife's parents, my wife, and me. I then sorted the data to remove the anonymous matches. I then compared my wife's and my matches to our parents' matches to see if any of my wife's or my matches in Ancestry Finder were not found in the Ancestry Finder matches for our parents. Below is an analysis of the results: cMs %IBD %IBS >10 100 (51/51) 0 9-10 87 (14/16) 13 8-9 91 (31/34) 9 7-8 79 (33/42) 21 6-7 67 (65/97) 33 5-6 43 (80/185) 57 I decided to download the latest Family Finder data for my wife's parents, my wife, my parents, and me yesterday. I then analyzed the data so see how many people appear in the FF match lists for my wife and me who don't appear in the FF match lists of our parents. I then used that data to create my own statistics regarding the percentage of matches at various segment lengths in cMs to see how my data compares to the statistics that John Walden generated. Here are my results: cMs %IBD %IBS >11 100 (52/52) 0 10-11 80 (12/15) 20 9-10 93 (25/27) 7 8-9 81 (34/42) 19 7-8 46 (11/24) 54 6-7 67 (4/6) 33 5-6 40 (6/15) 60 4-5 20 (10/51) 80 3.5-4 17 (11/66) 83 Below are John Walden's results from his analysis that I posted in another message several days ago: cM %IBD %IBS 10 99 1 9 80 20 8 50 50 7 30 70 6 20 80 5 5 95 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg Matthews Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 7:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Chromosome Browser Maybe I'm not understanding this, but why would you want to test your brothers if you already have both of your parents tested? I had my father tested with the last FTDNA sale so I now have results at FTDNA for both parents. I thought I'd be able to determine IBD segments now. If this isn't the case all I have left to me is a half-brother (from my father) that could be tested. I hesitate to go down that path because I have zero interest in the matches that might come from my brother's maternal side. Thanks Greg Matthews

Dear Chris and Jim, As a general rule for segments between 5 and 10 cMs in length if both a parent and a child both have an HIR on the same segment that they share with a match match at 23andMe or Family Finder, then that particular segment is IBD. If the parent matches someone else, but the child doesn't match that person then you can't be certain whether or not the segment is IBD or IBS without more information. The more children that are tested in situations like this, the higher the chance you will be able to determine if a segment if IBD or not. If you test 2 children and one parent then you should be able to identify 75% of all IBD segments. If you test 3 children and one parent then you should be able to identify 87.5% of all IBD segments. If you test 4 children and one parent then you should be able to identify 93.75% of all IBD segments. This is one of the main reasons I plan to do autosomal tests on my two brothers in the near future even though I have already tested my parents. Sincerely, Tim Janzen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Bartlett Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 5:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Chromosome Browser Chris IBD means it's from an ancestor; IBS means it could have been contributed by a variety of ancestors, and it's just in the DNA "soup". But the segments don't come with tags indicating which they are, so you don't know if a segment is IBD or IBS. Some folks deal only with segments over 10-12cM or so to pretty much guarantee they are IBD and come from a specific ancestor. Jim

Jim, In teaching genealogy I hope you give the website www.GEDmatch.com as a the place to compare both GEDCOMs and autosomal DNA results Curtis Rogers On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Christina Hunt <[email protected]> wrote: > Jim, > I just want to agree with you. I just got my husband a DNA test for > Father's > Day and I got him the Family Finder. I don't expect much to come from the a > Hunt YDNA test, but I really want to know about his Irish ancestors. > I have seen people say autosomal is baloney, but having had it done for > myself > at Christmas time, I have had some very clear matches with people. Others > have > given me new ideas. All have pretty much been 6-8 generation back. Not > just the > 5 I thought I would see. > > No Bartletts yet though. I was hoping for my PA Bartletts to be "found". > > Chris > > [email protected] wrote: > > Thanks for your summary - I agree. In teaching genealogy, I constantly > state that ALL serious genealogists should take the Family Finder DNA test! > > > > It's taken a decade to get many genealogists to accept DNA testing and > get interested in it. Unfortunately our message that only men can be tested > has sunk in, and many will parrot that back to me - the education must > start over. Now I always say there is a NEW DNA test ANYONE (males and > females) can take that reports back your cousins from ALL your ancestry. > I'll probably be saying new for the next decade. I add that Y-DNA and mtDNA > testing cover less than one percent of your family tree; Family Finder > covers it all, one hundred percent! Your Y-DNA and mtDNA Haplogroups > provide deep ancestry on a very small part of who you really are (this last > sentence is a little slight of hand, because FF does not give any Hg - it's > intended to reinforce the thought that each person's genetic makeup (their > essence, if you will) is so much more than what's indicated by Y and mt > testing. We are much more diverse, and rich, that the old tests describe. > > > > Jim - > > > ______________________________ > For answers to Frequently Asked Questions about mailing lists, please see: > http://dgmweb.net/MailingListFAQs.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Chris IBD means it's from an ancestor; IBS means it could have been contributed by a variety of ancestors, and it's just in the DNA "soup". But the segments don't come with tags indicating which they are, so you don't know if a segment is IBD or IBS. Some folks deal only with segments over 10-12cM or so to pretty much guarantee they are IBD and come from a specific ancestor. FTDNA uses 7.7cM as the cutoff, and won't report a match to you with anyone less than that. All of your FF matches have at least one segment that is 7.7 or larger. All of your FF matches also have some other segments, which are smaller. It is those smaller segment that are often IBS, and not helpful. However some may be IBD and represent a tie to a Common Ancestor - you just don't know until you check (some folks keep all segments over 5.0cM in their analysis). You should be looking for a Common Ancestor with each of your matches. Those with deep ancestries may find multiple Common Ancestors - in this case one could be on one segment and the other could be on a smaller segment. IMO, the important thing is to determine Commin Ancestors with each atDNA match. I am currently only using the segments above the cutoff (7.7cM for FF), but plan to go back later and test the segment map against all the reported segments and draw my own conclusions about what percentage of the smaller segments are IBD. Jim - Sent from my iPhone - FaceTime! On Jun 21, 2012, at 8:16 AM, Christina Hunt <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Tim, > I was advised to do this kind of mapping and have also started doing the mapping. > It is rather slow going :) > Thanks for explaining IBD and IBS. I thought they were illnesses when I first > saw that. Still didn't know what the initials stood for. > I have drop box. Had not thought of putting my DNA info in there. Good suggestion. > > I appreciate it. > Chris

Thanks Tim, I was advised to do this kind of mapping and have also started doing the mapping. It is rather slow going :) Thanks for explaining IBD and IBS. I thought they were illnesses when I first saw that. Still didn't know what the initials stood for. I have drop box. Had not thought of putting my DNA info in there. Good suggestion. I appreciate it. Chris [email protected] wrote: > Dear Chris, > What I do is download the comparison data for the matches for my > parents, my wife's parents, my wife, and me periodically. You do this from > the chromosome browser web page, then select 5 people, and then click on > "Download to Excel" in the right lower corner of the web page. You can > unfortunately download the data for 5 people at a time. The first time you > do this you have to do it for all of your matches. Subsequently, you only > have to do this for new matches. You then have to merge all of the > downloaded data files into a single file for each person you have an account > for (in my case 6 people). I then sort each of these files by the number of > cMs in the matching segment and discard all matching segments less than 3.5 > cMs. My belief is that a relatively low portion of the matching segments > (HIRs) less than 3.5 cMs will be identical by descent (IBD) and that most <snip> Tim Janzen

Thanks Mark. I just wanted to know how to use it. I appreciate your response. Chris > I am doing exactly that Christina. > > I am a little behind on it as I also take care of 3 other family members as > well, but we all have between 45-75 matches each so it's not too cumbersome. > More of my efforts going to a lot of genealogical data searching online, > regarding ancestry of those on my biggest chromosome cluster. > Got lots of potential paths to walk down, lot's of places to look. > > Mark

Dear Chris, What I do is download the comparison data for the matches for my parents, my wife's parents, my wife, and me periodically. You do this from the chromosome browser web page, then select 5 people, and then click on "Download to Excel" in the right lower corner of the web page. You can unfortunately download the data for 5 people at a time. The first time you do this you have to do it for all of your matches. Subsequently, you only have to do this for new matches. You then have to merge all of the downloaded data files into a single file for each person you have an account for (in my case 6 people). I then sort each of these files by the number of cMs in the matching segment and discard all matching segments less than 3.5 cMs. My belief is that a relatively low portion of the matching segments (HIRs) less than 3.5 cMs will be identical by descent (IBD) and that most will be false matches (identical by state). Thus for now I choose not to keep track of HIRs that are less than 3.5 cMs. A significant portion of the matching segments between 3.5 and 9 cMs will be false matches as well, but I don't worry about that, at least for now. I then add a column in the files for my parents that indicates whether or not I also match the person on the segment in question. I do the same for my wife's parents. I then merge this data with all of the data I have in similar files for all of the matches at 23andMe for my parents, my wife's parents, my wife, and me. I then sort the files for my parents and my wife's parents first by chromosome, then by whether or not my wife or I match the person in question, and then by start position. I also add correspondence in this file. See http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21841126/23andMe%20and%20FF%20matches%20for%20Betty% 20Janzen%20(public).xls for this file for my mother (minus the names of the matches and minus the correspondence). I would suggest you create a similar file for yourself and the other people whose account you manage at either 23andMe or on a FTDNA Family Finder account. I use these files in conjunction with the chromosome maps I am creating for my parents. See http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21841126/phased%20genome%20of%20Robert%20and%20Betty %20Janzen.zip for a relatively recent chromosome map for my mother. I also request pedigree charts or GEDCOM files showing the ancestries of all of the matches for my parents and my wife's parents. I keep all of those pedigree charts on file for reference and then I compare the pedigree charts if the people in question have segments that overlap with other matches on the same chromosome at the same position. Sincerely, Tim Janzen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Christina Hunt Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 5:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AUTOSOMAL-DNA] Chromosome Browser on FTDNA Sorry if this has been discussed. I am wondering how people are using the Chromosome Browser? I have made a spreadsheet and note the major matches on it so I can see who to check against. I use the last name of the match and when I think I know the Surname in common, I put that in Caps. Is anyone else doing something like this? If I see a match between one Surname on one section of the Chromosome, I am guessing this is the likely Name for that segment. Just wondering if I am understanding the chromosome browser. :) Chris