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    1. [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Notice that this list is about to close.
    2. Peter Lakeman
    3. Hello members of the AUSTRALIAN-POWS mailing list, currently hosted on Rootsweb/Ancestry servers. My name is Peter and I have been the list administrator of this list since it was abandoned. I have no idea when it was abandoned nor who the previous admin was. On 7th January 2020, Rootsweb informed all list admins that they will not be providing any mailing list services after 2nd March 2020, except to keep the archives available (see RW email appended below). In other words, all lists will cease to be. If members want to keep this list active, they will need to host it on a new server. A number of such servers exist, such as groups.io, FaceBook, google groups. I personally do not wish to remain the admin of this list, so one of the members will need to step up as a new administrator if they want to keep this list alive. As a side comment, I think that many of the smaller lists were created on a person's whim in Rootsweb's heyday, and are probably past reviving. I can't remember when the last post to this list was. If there are any questions, please post them to the list, but do it quickly as time is running out quickly. Cheers Peter ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Beginning March 2nd, 2020 the Mailing Lists functionality on RootsWeb will be discontinued. Users will no longer be able to send outgoing emails or accept incoming emails.  Additionally, administration tools will no longer be available to list administrators and mailing lists will be put into an archival state. Administrators may save the emails in their list prior to March 2nd. After that, mailing list archives will remain available and searchable on RootsWeb. As an alternative to RootsWeb Mailing Lists, Ancestry message boards are a great option to network with others in the genealogy community. Message boards are available for free with an Ancestry registered account. Thank you for being part of the RootsWeb family and contributing to this community. Sincerely, The RootsWeb team ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    01/15/2020 12:56:48
    1. [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Re Australian soldiers in prisoner-of-war (POW) camps.
    2. Rosalyn Smaill
    3. Hi Peter and listers, Thank you, Peter for getting this site operational again. Can you please refresh our memories re the diversity of what or who can be queried? Eg., I have an Australian great uncle who fought in the NZ Army in WWI from Krithia on the Gallipoli Peninsular and was eventually captured by the Germans in France / Belgium. This is what I know of him: James Patrick TANNER, (born Greta, Victoria) 8/1650 1st Otago Infantry Battn NZEF captured 16 Apr 1918 Stammlarger, near Limberg, Germany survived Died in Victoria 1954. Many thanks, Rosalyn

    06/23/2018 12:47:13
    1. [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Your AUSTRALIAN-POWS mailing list is operational again.
    2. Peter Lakeman
    3. Hello subscribers to the australian-pows mailing list. All Rootsweb mailing lists have been nearly dead for the last two or so years. In February this year, Rootsweb upgraded the software that runs their 30,000 or so mailing lists, and after a few teething problems, the system is now up and running. The archives of past posts are gradually being restored, but this may take months. Subscribers may notice minor differences. The main difference for you is that you can register as a subscriber and then be able to adjust options for how you receive emails (e.g. single posts or digests in plain or MIME format, halt mail while on holidays and a few more things). Or you can just leave things as they are. As a reminder, this mailing list is for anyone with a genealogical interest in Australian soldiers in prisoner-of-war (POW) camps. To post to this list or respond to a post, use the email address     australian-pows@rootsweb.com For questions about the operation of this list, please contact the list administrator at      australian-pows-owner@rootsweb.com Your list is back up, so if you want to keep it active and ongoing, please post your queries or information to the list. Otherwise you may lose it! Cheers Peter Lakeman Temporary List Admin

    06/23/2018 12:31:31
    1. Re: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Sandakan Information
    2. ROSALYN SMAILL
    3. Hi Martin, Thank you so much for the amazing info you have given me about Patrick Francis BRYAN. I want to answer your email fully but at the moment am ready to run out the door, and won't be able to until tomorrow afternoon. I will also contact Rod Beattie then as well. He sounds like a wonderful man. Rosalyn ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Scott To: australian-pows@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Sandakan Information Rosalyn Another very valuable resource is the NAA's A8234 series, which contains the grave registration cards for POWs who didn't make it home. These cards often contain records as to the specific place of death, or original burial, of a POW. This is about the only thing that will you tell where a man was specifically held unless you hit the jackpot with an affidavit or a personal record. You've listed one POW who died on the Burma-Thailand railway and you'll find that each of these men has a grave registration card online at the NAA website in the A8234 series. They are arranged by cemetary and plot, so first you need to go to www.cwgc.org and get the cemetary / plot details for your man. You'll find Patrick Francis BRYAN, VX36490, is now buried at Kanchanburi in collective grave 10.F.2-10.L.4. Most of the POWs who died on the Thai side of the railway were reburied in Kanchanaburi after the war; those that died on the Burmese side were reburied at Thanbyuzayat - you find however that some who died in the Northern Thai camps are also now buried in Thanbyuzayat also. If you do a search at NAA for keyword "Kanchanaburi" and reference number "A8234" you'll find four digitised files split up by plot reference, and in plot reference order. 10.F.2 is located in A8234 58, entitled "Kranchanaburi [ie. Kanchanaburi War Cemetery] 1P30 to 10L15". You'll find VX36490 Bryan on page 524 and 525 of the scan. He died from cholera, and was originally buried at Kanyu camp, grave number 21. The back of the card reads "no identification but by plan and records, known to be one of 78 bodies buried in Kanyu No 2 cemetary. My guess would be that he was with a group called D Force and the service record, if you're bothered to get it, may confirm. If it does have an entry for D Force, you'll be able to identify which subgroup (S,T,U or V Btn) by the date of departure, and then you've narrowed his experiences down a great deal. Anyway, I hope this lengthy email isn't presumptous but the A8234 series has been very valuable to me as a researcher and I thought I'd share it. There are similiar cards for Ambon, Sandakan etc but these are not online as yet. The cards are located in Canberra and not Melbourne so there is some chance of getting them online before 2012 (sorry for the dig, but jeez Melbourne is hopelessly slow, lift your game NAA! If I can go off on a tangent, why aren't they running it as a business, charging us more for an optionally faster service if we want it, and then putting more people on to deliver it - using those extra fees - so we don't have to wait 18 months for a freakin file? Can I get an amen here or am I alone on this?). Lastly - the best thing you could do if you're researching a POW from the railway is drop Rod Beattie a line at the Thialand Burma Railway Centre (via http://www.tbrconline.com). Rod is THE MAN in this field, there is no other. He's very passionate and will let his dinner go cold as he runs off to get his laptop in order to answer your query and tell you all that is known about any specific POW you can name (he did this for me in 2007 and I'm forever in his debt). So don't email him at dinner time. Very generous and dedicated bloke. Anyway - that's enough from me. Martin. --- On Sat, 12/12/09, ROSALYN SMAILL <rstruttonsmaill@bigpond.com> wrote: From: ROSALYN SMAILL <rstruttonsmaill@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Sandakan Information To: australian-pows@rootsweb.com Received: Saturday, 12 December, 2009, 6:08 PM Hi everyone, How does one find info on 2nd World War POWs and the Camps they were held in? These are the ones in my family that I know of to date: POW Register: George Frederick BACKHAUS, 2/21 Batt, Ambon, died in captivity Patrick Francis BRYAN, VX36490 4th Anti-Tank unit, Thailand, died in captivity Frank CAREY, VX31129, 2/10 Field Company RAE, survived Albert L CROSHER, 2/21 Batt, Ambon, executed by Japanese Alan Munro FRASER, 2/15 Batt, North Africa, survived William Erle FORBES, 2/15 Batt, North Africa, survived Cyril Smale HUTCHINS, 2/19 Batt, Thailand, survived Francis John MARSDEN, 4 Aust Anti-Tank Regt, Malaya, survived Edward Thomas WINNELL, 2/21 Batt, Ambon, survived Charles Bernard WOOD, HQ Guard Batt, North Africa, Middle East, survived, died 1947 I would love to know more about their service, where they were held. etc. Rosalyn

    12/16/2009 04:09:05
    1. Re: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Sandakan Information
    2. ROSALYN SMAILL
    3. Hi again Barbara, This morning I went through the www.naa.gov.au site and found three had been digitalised. I have much more info on the BACKHAUS couple and ordered one that was not yet released. I will gradually get the others. I will try to locate Professor Joan Beaumont's "Gull Force on Ambon" from the Qld State Library. Are there any other books on Ambon? Having had three soldiers there (one executed, one died of illness - beri beri - and one survived) I would like to find out more about the Gull Force campaign, etc. I would think that the enquiry/court martial would be against the Japanese soldiers for war crimes. There should be transcripts available somewhere. Have you read the presentation below by Dr Peter Stanley? Australian War Memorial, Remembering 1942 article, 26 Jan 2002."Remembering 1942 The defence of the 'Malay barrier': Rabaul and Ambon, January 1942 Presented by Dr Peter Stanley, the Memorial's Principal Historian, on Saturday 26 January 2002 beside the Roll of Honour at the Memorial. Transcript: Ladies and gentlemen. Good afternoon and welcome to the Australian War Memorial. My name is Peter Stanley and it's my privilege to be the Memorial's Principal Historian. This presentation is one of a series of short 'Roll of Honour talks' which the Memorial has planned for this year particularly to mark in an appropriate tone the sixtieth anniversary of the many significant events of 1942. They are not intended to debate the many points of contention that arise for many of the events of 1942. They provide an historical context to our remembrance of those who died in these events. Today's talk deals with the defeats of New Britain and Ambon in January 1942.The Victorian RSL magazine, Mufti, published an article in 1954 headed, 'Forget the Bad, Remember the Good'. It recorded that twenty people had attended a ceremony at the cenotaph to remember the twelfth anniversary of the fall of Rabaul. The anonymous writer was not writing to lament that so few people turned out on this day: he was arguing that the anniversary should not have been marked at all. 'Defeats', he wrote, 'are depressing enough . without dwelling on them'. He urged that if Rabaul was to be remembered at all it should be on the anniversary of its 'recapture' in 1945. (Rabaul was of course, not recaptured but was re-occupied after the Japanese surrender.) Today we gather in a very different mood. We stand here by the Roll of Honour to remember those who died in the defence of New Britain and Ambon and in the aftermath of those defeats. We do so not with any sense of embarrassment but with a profound sympathy for those who suffered and died during the darkest days of the Second World War in south-east Asia. Sixty years ago Australian forces had entered the war against Japan in earnest. The RAAF had fought from the first hours of the Japanese invasion of Malaya. >From 14 January two brigades of the 8th Division had just entered action in Johore. The division's other three infantry battalions were distributed in an arc across Australia's north, at Ambon, Timor and on New Britain. They protected the northern-most Australian territory of New Guinea and the airfields linking Australia with Allied territory in south-east Asia. These small forces were named after various species of birds. From west to east the main forces were: Sparrow Force on Timor, Gull Force on Ambon, Lark Force on New Britain. There will always be debate over the wisdom of the strategy of garrisoning what was grandly called the 'Malay barrier' with such small forces. Typically they were held by 'battalion groups' formed around an infantry battalion supported by artillery and other units and some RAAF squadrons. On Ambon and Timor Netherlands East Indies troops joined the defence. These forces proved to be far too small to hold the larger Japanese forces sent against them. The strategic problem was in the circumstances insoluble. The airfields had to be protected; the actual Japanese capability was under-rated; the possibility of sending larger forces was remote. The best that the defenders could do was to make the Japanese fight for objectives they would certainly be able to take. The inevitable tragedy of the Malay barrier unfolded in a series of battles sixty years ago. Today, on the anniversary of the fall of Rabaul we remember the consequences of the bird forces. I will briefly outline the events and their aftermath.In a matter of days each of these island garrisons would be attacked and subdued in turn. New Britain, located just a few hundred kilometers south of the Japanese mandate territories in the Pacific, became the first Australian territory to be attacked by the Japanese. On 23 January a Japanese force several times larger than the defenders and supported by battleships and aircraft carriers landed near Rabaul, New Britain's tiny capital. The RAAF's small and under-equipped defending squadron took on the more numerous and better-equipped Japanese aircraft, with heavy losses. The signal sent by Wing Commander J.M. Lerew to Air Force Headquarters in Melbourne before taking off - 'Those who are about to die salute you' - testifies to the fatalist courage of RAAF aircrew fighting what all knew to be a losing battle. Though contesting the Japanese landings the 2/22nd Battalion could not stop the attack. Its members were ordered to disperse and make their way to safety as best they could. Unfortunately nothing had been done to prepare for such an escape. As the Japanese occupied Rabaul, including Australian civilians and six army nurses, parties of soldiers made their way southwards through the jungle of New Britain.The ordeal of the escape from New Britain is an epic story of endurance, heroism, luck and, for about 400 men, survival. For almost all of the Australians taken on New Britain, however, tragedy was to follow.A large party of those fleeing was taken by the Japanese near Tol plantation, on New Britain's east coast. There about 130 of them were killed, in what became known as the Tol massacre. The names of those men of the 2/22nd Battalion are on this Roll of Honour. Of those captured and brought into Rabaul further tragedy was to follow. A few of the prisoners, including the nurses, were taken separately to Japan and held for the rest of the war. Incredibly, all the nurses were liberated in 1945: thin, ill, but alive. Almost none of over a thousand military prisoners and civilian internees, however, would survive. In June 1942 they were taken aboard a ship, the Montevideo Maru bound for Japan. It was unmarked and the Allies had no idea that it was carrying prisoners of war. On 1 July 1942, in the South China Sea, an American submarine torpedoed the Montevideo Maru. All of the 1,050 Australians on board were lost in the greatest single maritime tragedy in Australian history.The peculiar cruelty of this disaster was not that it occurred inadvertently at the hands of Allied submariners. Rather, it was that these men's fate was unknown at the time, and remained unknown for years. Not until well after the war's end were their deaths confirmed. The fears and unrealised hopes of their families can well be imagined, an ordeal traced with compassion by Margaret Reeson in her recent book, A Very Long War. Again, many of those who died aboard the Montevideo Maru - the soldiers at least - appear here on the Roll of Honour. As the anonymous writer in Mufti had written, Rabaul was at length liberated by Australian troops, in 1945. In the meantime the island was subjected to a long and gruelling occupation. Allied troops fought an intelligent and economical campaign, penning up over 90,000 Japanese defenders in the Gazelle Peninsula. In the meantime directly or indirectly the Japanese occupation caused the deaths of as many of New Britain's people as Australia lost in the entire war.A few days after the fall of Rabaul, in the last days of January 1942, a Japanese task force approached another of the island garrisons: Ambon, held by Gull Force, mostly comprising the 2/21st Battalion.Again the same pattern can be seen. A large Japanese force, supported by aircraft carriers, landed in overwhelming strength, beginning on 31 January. After a brief fight the defenders realised the futility of further resistance and surrendered. As on New Britain, though relatively few men were lost in the island's defence, an atrocity occurred in the aftermath of defeat. Several hundred Australians had surrendered on Laha airstrip, across Ambon Bay from the town. Soon after the battle, but continuing at intervals for nearly a fortnight, the prisoners taken at Laha were killed. Over 300 died: a fragment of the wire used to bind the wrists of one victim can be seen in the galleries below us. The Laha massacre was the largest of the atrocities committed against captured Allied troops in 1942. There are several possible reasons for the massacre but it has never been fully explained. Gull Force's survivors went into captivity. Their ordeal has been traced in detail by Professor Joan Beaumont's Gull Force on Ambon, among several other works. They were to be held on isolated islands by captors indifferent to their fate and led by an Australian officer unequal to the terrible burden of his responsibility. They suffered an ordeal and a death rate second only to the horrors of Sandakan, first on Ambon and then after many were sent to the island of Hainan late in 1942. Three-quarters of the Australians captured on Ambon died before the war's end. Of the 582 who remained on Ambon 405 died. They died of overwork, malnutrition, disease and one of the most brutal regimes among camps in which bashings were routine.All of these men's names are on this Roll of Honour. We remember all of them today. The disasters which befell Australians and their Dutch and indigenous allies in the defence of the mis-named Malay barrier were only the first of a string of defeats which Australians faced in 1942. Exactly sixty years after it is fitting in this place above all others we should remember them and those to whom they brought so much suffering."The defence of the 'Malay barrier': Rabaul and Ambon, January 1942 Presented by Dr Peter Stanley. Hope it helps, Rosalyn ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara OConnor To: australian-pows@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Sandakan Information When I started searching one had to pay to get the records photocopied and posted!! Or wait for several weeks to get the images done and put on site!!! It pays to go back to some of these sites and try again. There was an enquiry/court martiel/something into Ambon - my ex had an uncle who survived and I know he gave evidence. After the breakup, I started to look into my own family and never 'went back'. But if you look around, you shouldn't have too much trouble finding information on Ambon and what the conditions were like, etc. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUSTRALIAN-POWS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    12/14/2009 07:04:56
    1. Re: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Sandakan Information
    2. Barbara OConnor
    3. When I started searching one had to pay to get the records photocopied and posted!! Or wait for several weeks to get the images done and put on site!!! It pays to go back to some of these sites and try again. There was an enquiry/court martiel/something into Ambon - my ex had an uncle who survived and I know he gave evidence. After the breakup, I started to look into my own family and never 'went back'. But if you look around, you shouldn't have too much trouble finding information on Ambon and what the conditions were like, etc.

    12/14/2009 05:04:50
    1. Re: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Sandakan Information
    2. ROSALYN SMAILL
    3. Hi Barbara, Thank you for this information. That is a big help. Thank you also for the links you sent. When I last searched the digital records they were only of WWI guys. Having WWII available as well is a huge help. Rosalyn ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara OConnor To: australian-pows@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Sandakan Information National Libray's Digitised Newspapers - The (Melbourne) Argus, Wednesday 19 September, 1945 - DEATHS On Active Service BACKHAUS. -VX48328 George F., died of illness whilst P.O.W., Ambon, February 12, 1945, dearly beloved husband of Myee (nee Boyd), of Roosevelt, Kurraba Point, Sydney. http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/972111 And I forgot to mention WW2 Nominal Roll www.ww2roll.gov.au Cheers Barbara ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUSTRALIAN-POWS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    12/14/2009 03:48:32
    1. Re: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Sandakan Information
    2. I think you will find that the WW2 POW records are not listed for obvious reason. WW2 records can be requested as either hard copies or to be digitised. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROSALYN SMAILL" <rstruttonsmaill@bigpond.com> To: <australian-pows@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Sandakan Information > Hi Barbara, > Thank you for this information. That is a big help. Thank you also for > the links you sent. When I last searched the digital records they were > only of WWI guys. Having WWII available as well is a huge help. > Rosalyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barbara OConnor > To: australian-pows@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:07 PM > Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Sandakan Information > > > National Libray's Digitised Newspapers - > > The (Melbourne) Argus, Wednesday 19 September, 1945 - > DEATHS > On Active Service > BACKHAUS. -VX48328 George F., died of illness whilst P.O.W., Ambon, > February > 12, 1945, dearly beloved husband of Myee (nee Boyd), of Roosevelt, > Kurraba > Point, Sydney. > http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/972111 > > And I forgot to mention WW2 Nominal Roll www.ww2roll.gov.au > > Cheers > Barbara > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUSTRALIAN-POWS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUSTRALIAN-POWS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    12/14/2009 02:04:54
    1. Re: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Sandakan Information
    2. Martin Scott
    3. Rosalyn Another very valuable resource is the NAA's A8234 series, which contains the grave registration cards for POWs who didn't make it home. These cards often contain records as to the specific place of death, or original burial, of a POW.  This is about the only thing that will you tell where a man was specifically held unless you hit the jackpot with an affidavit or a personal record. You've listed one POW who died on the Burma-Thailand railway and you'll find that each of these men has a grave registration card online at the NAA website in the A8234 series.   They are arranged by cemetary and plot, so first you need to go to www.cwgc.org and get the cemetary / plot details for your man. You'll find Patrick Francis BRYAN, VX36490, is now buried at Kanchanburi in collective grave 10.F.2-10.L.4. Most of the POWs who died on the Thai side of the railway were reburied in Kanchanaburi after the war; those that died on the Burmese side were reburied at Thanbyuzayat - you find however that some who died in the Northern Thai camps are also now buried in Thanbyuzayat also. If you do a search at NAA for keyword "Kanchanaburi" and reference number "A8234" you'll find four digitised files split up by plot reference, and in plot reference order.  10.F.2 is located in A8234 58, entitled "Kranchanaburi [ie. Kanchanaburi War Cemetery] 1P30 to 10L15". You'll find VX36490 Bryan on page 524 and 525 of the scan. He died from cholera, and was originally buried at Kanyu camp, grave number 21. The back of the card reads "no identification but by plan and records, known to be one of 78 bodies buried in Kanyu No 2 cemetary. My guess would be that he was with a group called D Force and the service record, if you're bothered to get it, may confirm. If it does have an entry for D Force, you'll be able to identify which subgroup (S,T,U or V Btn) by the date of departure, and then you've narrowed his experiences down a great deal. Anyway, I hope this lengthy email isn't presumptous but the A8234 series has been very valuable to me as a researcher and I thought I'd share it. There are similiar cards for Ambon, Sandakan etc but these are not online as yet. The cards are located in Canberra and not Melbourne so there is some chance of getting them online before 2012 (sorry for the dig, but jeez Melbourne is hopelessly slow, lift your game NAA! If I can go off on a tangent, why aren't they running it as a business, charging us more for an optionally faster service if we want it, and then putting more people on to deliver it - using those extra fees - so we don't have to wait 18 months for a freakin file? Can I get an amen here or am I alone on this?). Lastly - the best thing you could do if you're researching a POW from the railway is drop Rod Beattie a line at the Thialand Burma Railway Centre (via http://www.tbrconline.com). Rod is THE MAN in this field, there is no other. He's very passionate and will let his dinner go cold as he runs off to get his laptop in order to answer your query and tell you all that is known about any specific POW you can name (he did this for me in 2007 and I'm forever in his debt). So don't email him at dinner time. Very generous and dedicated bloke. Anyway - that's enough from me. Martin. --- On Sat, 12/12/09, ROSALYN SMAILL <rstruttonsmaill@bigpond.com> wrote: From: ROSALYN SMAILL <rstruttonsmaill@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Sandakan Information To: australian-pows@rootsweb.com Received: Saturday, 12 December, 2009, 6:08 PM Hi everyone, How does one find info on 2nd World War POWs and the Camps they were held in? These are the ones in my family that I know of to date: POW Register: George Frederick BACKHAUS, 2/21 Batt, Ambon, died in captivity Patrick Francis BRYAN, VX36490 4th Anti-Tank unit, Thailand, died in captivity Frank CAREY, VX31129, 2/10 Field Company RAE, survived Albert L CROSHER, 2/21 Batt, Ambon, executed by Japanese Alan Munro FRASER, 2/15 Batt, North Africa, survived William Erle FORBES, 2/15 Batt, North Africa, survived Cyril Smale HUTCHINS, 2/19 Batt, Thailand, survived Francis John MARSDEN, 4 Aust Anti-Tank Regt, Malaya, survived Edward Thomas WINNELL, 2/21 Batt, Ambon, survived Charles Bernard WOOD, HQ Guard Batt, North Africa, Middle East, survived, died 1947 I would love to know more about their service, where they were held. etc. Rosalyn Today's Topics: 1. Re: Sandakan POWs (Martin Scott) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 04:27:08 -0800 (PST) From: Martin Scott <budgroover2000@yahoo.com.au> Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Sandakan POWs To: australian-pows@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <347767.82801.qm@web51808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Clare The dates of death for Sandakan POWs were compiled from a range of sources including Japanese records. Lynette Ramsay Silver has written the definitive book on the subject (Sandakan: a Conspiracy of Silence) and has identified some areas of concern re: the date of death for a number of POWs - for example, death dates attributed to Ranau in August are false. You'd be best off contacting Lynette via http://www.lynettesilver.com . The book, if you haven't already got it, has a complete nominal roll listing all known info regarding the fate of each POW and has details re: the reliability of death dates from certain camps (see the notes at Appendix 3). ? Martin Scott ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUSTRALIAN-POWS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUSTRALIAN-POWS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________________________________________ See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: http://au.movies.yahoo.com/session-times/

    12/13/2009 05:51:20
    1. Re: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Sandakan Information
    2. Barbara OConnor
    3. National Libray's Digitised Newspapers - The (Melbourne) Argus, Wednesday 19 September, 1945 - DEATHS On Active Service BACKHAUS. -VX48328 George F., died of illness whilst P.O.W., Ambon, February 12, 1945, dearly beloved husband of Myee (nee Boyd), of Roosevelt, Kurraba Point, Sydney. http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/972111 And I forgot to mention WW2 Nominal Roll www.ww2roll.gov.au Cheers Barbara

    12/12/2009 02:07:50
    1. Re: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Sandakan Information
    2. Barbara OConnor
    3. 1. Australian War Memorial - www.awm.gov.au - for basic information on servicemen - Service No., Unit, etc. Also check the Prisoner of War database, and the Roll of Honour. 2. National Archives of Australia - www.naa.gov.au, Record Search, Search Now as Guest - for serviceman's file. (If you just search for Backhaus you will also bring up the service file of George's wife, Myee Anzac Backhaus.) Cheers Barbara

    12/12/2009 01:47:08
    1. Re: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Sandakan Information
    2. ROSALYN SMAILL
    3. Hi everyone, How does one find info on 2nd World War POWs and the Camps they were held in? These are the ones in my family that I know of to date: POW Register: George Frederick BACKHAUS, 2/21 Batt, Ambon, died in captivity Patrick Francis BRYAN, VX36490 4th Anti-Tank unit, Thailand, died in captivity Frank CAREY, VX31129, 2/10 Field Company RAE, survived Albert L CROSHER, 2/21 Batt, Ambon, executed by Japanese Alan Munro FRASER, 2/15 Batt, North Africa, survived William Erle FORBES, 2/15 Batt, North Africa, survived Cyril Smale HUTCHINS, 2/19 Batt, Thailand, survived Francis John MARSDEN, 4 Aust Anti-Tank Regt, Malaya, survived Edward Thomas WINNELL, 2/21 Batt, Ambon, survived Charles Bernard WOOD, HQ Guard Batt, North Africa, Middle East, survived, died 1947 I would love to know more about their service, where they were held. etc. Rosalyn Today's Topics: 1. Re: Sandakan POWs (Martin Scott) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 04:27:08 -0800 (PST) From: Martin Scott <budgroover2000@yahoo.com.au> Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Sandakan POWs To: australian-pows@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <347767.82801.qm@web51808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Clare The dates of death for Sandakan POWs were compiled from a range of sources including Japanese records. Lynette Ramsay Silver has written the definitive book on the subject (Sandakan: a Conspiracy of Silence) and has identified some areas of concern re: the date of death for a number of POWs - for example, death dates attributed to Ranau in August are false. You'd be best off contacting Lynette via http://www.lynettesilver.com . The book, if you haven't already got it, has a complete nominal roll listing all known info regarding the fate of each POW and has details re: the reliability of death dates from certain camps (see the notes at Appendix 3). ? Martin Scott ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUSTRALIAN-POWS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    12/12/2009 10:08:55
    1. Re: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Sandakan Information
    2. Clare Stapleton
    3. Thanks for the help from several people. Of course I should have realized that Dr Silver would be the one to ask about Sandakan.  I have just sent her a message. Clare Stapleton Madison, Wisconsin: Morris, New York: Sydney, Australia Researching FRAZER, MORGAN, WILSON, CLEGG, MEREDITH, PRIOR, COLLS, VAUGHN, MYERS, SOLOMON, ABBOTT, HOGAN, WOODS --- On Mon, 11/16/09, australian-pows-request@rootsweb.com <australian-pows-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: From: australian-pows-request@rootsweb.com <australian-pows-request@rootsweb.com> Subject: AUSTRALIAN-POWS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 6 To: australian-pows@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 2:00 AM Today's Topics:    1. Re: Sandakan POWs (Martin Scott) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 04:27:08 -0800 (PST) From: Martin Scott <budgroover2000@yahoo.com.au> Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Sandakan POWs To: australian-pows@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <347767.82801.qm@web51808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Clare The dates of death for Sandakan POWs were compiled from a range of sources including Japanese records. Lynette Ramsay Silver has written the definitive book on the subject (Sandakan: a Conspiracy of Silence) and has identified some areas of concern re: the date of death for a number of POWs - for example, death dates attributed to Ranau in August are false. You'd be best off contacting Lynette via http://www.lynettesilver.com . The book, if you haven't already got it, has a complete nominal roll listing all known info regarding the fate of each POW and has details re: the reliability of death dates from certain camps (see the notes at Appendix 3). ? Martin Scott

    12/11/2009 01:17:21
    1. [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Fw: Sandakan POWs
    2. Graham Bence
    3. > Hi Clare Statpleton > There is a disc produced by Births Deaths and Marriages Victoria that will > tell you a lot about soldier's deaths of all wars. Should be in your local > library. If not ask them to get it. > > Regards > Graham > BDM Volunteer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUSTRALIAN-POWS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

    11/15/2009 09:30:22
    1. Re: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Sandakan POWs
    2. Barbara OConnor
    3. Somewhere amongst my book collection (imagine a Lions Club book sale!!) is Silver's Sandakan : A Conspiracy of Silence. I am almost certain that there are diaries mentioned in it. Google brings up Charlie Johnstone and Captain Athol Randolph Moffits papers held by the AWM which includes papers given to him by Major Pickford, a Sandakan POW. ?? When I wonder? I can't seem to find a list of the six survivors. Or the book! I also seem to remember that the listing of names and deaths do not all have a definitive date. Lynette Silver has a website - http://lynettesilver.com/content/view/41/63/ - although not her homepage, it has a contact email. Why not ask her? Barbara

    11/15/2009 07:28:36
    1. Re: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Sandakan POWs
    2. Graham Bence
    3. Clare Statpleton There is a disc produced by Births Deaths and Marriages Victoria that will tell you a lot about soldier's deaths of all wars. Should be in your local library. If not ask them to get it. Regards Graham BDM Volunteer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Stapleton" <conjola2137@sbcglobal.net> To: <australian-pows@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 1:00 PM Subject: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Sandakan POWs I am tracing all the family of a first fleeter and have quite a big tree. I was surprised to realise that the family had no less than four members who perished at Sandakan. In their records there are exact dates of death. Since all were killed [except the six that escaped] I'd like to know how exact dates of death were preserved. Anyone have any clues? Clare Stapleton Madison, Wisconsin: Morris, New York: Sydney, Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUSTRALIAN-POWS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    11/15/2009 06:20:24
    1. Re: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Sandakan POWs
    2. Clare ... join the DPS-CHAT list on the Australia page. One of the members is very up to speed on Sandakan. At present he has moved house so am not sure about his IT connection. Good Luck :) Bright Blessings Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Stapleton" <conjola2137@sbcglobal.net> To: <australian-pows@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 10:00 AM Subject: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Sandakan POWs I am tracing all the family of a first fleeter and have quite a big tree. I was surprised to realise that the family had no less than four members who perished at Sandakan. In their records there are exact dates of death. Since all were killed [except the six that escaped] I'd like to know how exact dates of death were preserved. Anyone have any clues? Clare Stapleton Madison, Wisconsin: Morris, New York: Sydney, Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUSTRALIAN-POWS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    11/15/2009 03:42:58
    1. Re: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Sandakan POWs
    2. Martin Scott
    3. Clare The dates of death for Sandakan POWs were compiled from a range of sources including Japanese records. Lynette Ramsay Silver has written the definitive book on the subject (Sandakan: a Conspiracy of Silence) and has identified some areas of concern re: the date of death for a number of POWs - for example, death dates attributed to Ranau in August are false. You'd be best off contacting Lynette via http://www.lynettesilver.com . The book, if you haven't already got it, has a complete nominal roll listing all known info regarding the fate of each POW and has details re: the reliability of death dates from certain camps (see the notes at Appendix 3).   Martin Scott --- On Sun, 15/11/09, Clare Stapleton <conjola2137@sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: Clare Stapleton <conjola2137@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Sandakan POWs To: australian-pows@rootsweb.com Received: Sunday, 15 November, 2009, 1:00 PM     I am tracing all the family of a first fleeter and have quite a big tree. I was surprised to realise that the family had no less than four members who perished at Sandakan. In their records there are exact dates of death. Since all were killed [except the six that escaped] I'd like to know how exact dates of death were preserved.   Anyone have any clues? Clare Stapleton Madison, Wisconsin: Morris, New York: Sydney, Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUSTRALIAN-POWS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

    11/14/2009 09:27:08
    1. [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] Sandakan POWs
    2. Clare Stapleton
    3.     I am tracing all the family of a first fleeter and have quite a big tree. I was surprised to realise that the family had no less than four members who perished at Sandakan. In their records there are exact dates of death. Since all were killed [except the six that escaped] I'd like to know how exact dates of death were preserved.   Anyone have any clues? Clare Stapleton Madison, Wisconsin: Morris, New York: Sydney, Australia

    11/14/2009 11:00:07
    1. Re: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] AUSTRALIAN-POWS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3
    2. Thanks for the correction John ... that was the one I was referring to. Bright Blessings Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "I.J. (JOHN) KENDLE" <ijkendle@iinet.net.au> To: <australian-pows@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] AUSTRALIAN-POWS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3 > Hello Virginia, > > If you don't locate a Military Museum in Fremantle, perhaps the one and > the > same is the Army Museum of WA at Fremantle. > > Another opportunity may be to lodge a short request for information with > CAN > YOU HELP at The West Australian Newspaper : canyouhelp@wanews.com.au > JENNY KOHLEN is the very helpful person who runs the page on Mondays. > > The demand is heavy and your article may take 3 months or more. In the > worst case it won't be run at all...so you request needs to hone in on the > public interest or a compelling question..... > > John in Dianella WAust > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <australian-pows-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <australian-pows@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 4:00 PM > Subject: AUSTRALIAN-POWS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 3 > > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: AUSTRALIAN-POWS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 2 (Virginia HILLS) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:38:04 +0000 >> From: Virginia HILLS <veez1310@hotmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] AUSTRALIAN-POWS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 2 >> To: <australian-pows@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <BLU109-W278AAB5548BDDBB314A71AC0A80@phx.gbl> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> Sorry all for posting the same thing twice - I had no idea how it all >> worked!! >> >> >> >> Thankyou Sandra for your tips - I just couldnt see the forrest for the >> trees - but what I did find on the AWM site is that the Red Cross has POW >> Index Cards for WWII - so I have sent off a request to see if they can >> help me out. >> >> >> >> Next step is the Military Museum in Freo! >> >> >> >> Cheers!! >> >> >> >> Virginia in Sunny & Hot Mt Isa!! >> >>> From: australian-pows-request@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: AUSTRALIAN-POWS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 2 >>> To: australian-pows@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:00:14 -0700 >>> >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. FW: POW WWII DUFF, Clarence William WX9780 2/32 Infantry >>> Battalion "A" Coy (Virginia HILLS) >>> 2. Re: FW: POW WWII DUFF, Clarence William WX9780 2/32 Infantry >>> Battalion "A" Coy (fedelmar@westnet.com.au) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 08:09:06 +0000 >>> From: Virginia HILLS <veez1310@hotmail.com> >>> Subject: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] FW: POW WWII DUFF, Clarence William WX9780 >>> 2/32 Infantry Battalion "A" Coy >>> To: <australian-pows@rootsweb.com> >>> Message-ID: <BLU109-W1FD31EBCD4691BBA61910C0A90@phx.gbl> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi List >>> >>> I hope that someone out there can help me. >>> >>> I am researching my husband's Grandpop, Lance Corporal Clarence >>> (Clarrie) >>> William DUFF WX9780 from Perth. >>> >>> He was taken POW by the German's 17 July 1942, while fighting in the El >>> Alamein area in an attempt to secure a ridge of high ground from TRIG 22 >>> in the north ("A" coys task) to Qattara Track in the south (taken from >>> 2/32 Infantry Battalion July- August 1942 Diary ). >>> >>> Troops were debussed at 2330hrs 16 July 1942 and at 0250hrs "A" coy was >>> under heavy fire. At approx 0310hrs wireless communication broke down. >>> At >>> 0515hrs "A" coy sent a message saying " I have captured my objective, >>> but >>> think I have overshot the mark: am considering pulling back to >>> objective." At this stage the Battalion Set was now out of action and a >>> reply to this message was not possible. At 0530hrs supporting arms were >>> sent in to assist, but also came under heavy enemy fire and had to take >>> cover on the reverse slope. >>> >>> Apparently after "A" coy had captured their objective of TRIG 22 they >>> moved off without further opposition and dug in some 1500yrds further >>> on. >>> It would appear that there was strong enemy forces in the depression >>> between TRIG 22 and "A" coy. Shortly after 0900hrs the enemy realised >>> that despite their best efforts they had lost the ridge. AT 1300hrs 18 >>> July 1942 a note is made in the Action Diary "Nothing further has come >>> to >>> light regarding "A" coy" >>> >>> The "Battle Casualty Form" states that approx 120 men from "A" coy are >>> Missing - Believed POW 17.7.42 >>> >>> Clarrie's Service and Casualty Form states that on the 27.7.42 - >>> Reported >>> Missing, believed POW and transferred to X List. The next entry is >>> 1.10.42 Officially reported Prisoner of War Interred Camp 85 PM 3450. On >>> 22.11.42 a note is written Tranferred from Italy to Stalag 8A end Sept >>> now POW No 32459, now interred Stalag 344. >>> >>> On his POW form it states that Clarrie was in Stalag 317. On 24 Sept >>> 1943 >>> he was in Stalag 8A and then there is a notation saying 18 Oct 1943 >>> O.K.W. M-Stalag 8B - also on 18.10.43 it is written E727 Mechtal, Kr >>> Beuthen (or something like that!) I have googled and found that E727 is >>> like a camp inside a camp of Stalag 8B which due to excessive numbers >>> split up and a section was named Stalag 344. E727 was also a Power >>> Station. I have a photo of Clarrie taken with a group of men dated Nov >>> 1943 - Stalag 344 - I am not sure if they are all Australians or a mix >>> of >>> men from different countries. They all look healthy enough >>> >>> On 17 Jul 1944 Clarrie is moved to E543 Dombrowa - but I am unsure what >>> this camp would be. >>> >>> Clarrie was thankfully released in May 1945 and arrived home in Aug >>> 1945, >>> he was discharged a month later. Sadly Clarrie has since passed on long >>> before I got to meet him. He never spoke of his time as a POW, according >>> to his youngest daughter - the only reference he ever made to being in >>> the camps was when she would not eat certain things - he would say >>> "you'd >>> eat anything if you were hungry enough". >>> >>> I am hoping that some one on this list has some idea of where these >>> camps >>> were/are, what was the purpose of these camps and what would Clarrie >>> have >>> done there, why was Clarrie moved around and is there anyone out there >>> who also had relatives in "A" Coy 2/32 AIF at that time who may have >>> also >>> been captured - or were part of the other Companies that held strong to >>> ensure that the ridge was not lost to the enemy. I would love to hear >>> from anyone who may have a father or grandfather who has told them >>> stories of their time in any of these camps. >>> >>> I look forward to hearing from you >>> >>> kind regards >>> >>> >>> Virginia >>> >>> . >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Check out The Great Australian Pay Check now Want to know what your boss >>> is paid? >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Want to know what your boss is paid? Check out The Great Australian Pay >>> Check now >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/ >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:40:19 +0800 >>> From: <fedelmar@westnet.com.au> >>> Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] FW: POW WWII DUFF, Clarence William >>> WX9780 2/32 Infantry Battalion "A" Coy >>> To: <australian-pows@rootsweb.com> >>> Message-ID: <F29E0F0AFDF245A5A2B709E29A6D876E@wxppro> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> Virginia, >>> Ideally at the NAA there should be a POW statement from Clarrie. Perhaps >>> there may be a clue in there. Other than that, have you been in touch >>> with >>> the Military Museum in Fremantle? The curator may have some record of >>> this >>> camp. >>> >>> Good Luck! >>> >>> Bright Blessings >>> Sandra >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Virginia HILLS" <veez1310@hotmail.com> >>> To: <australian-pows@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 4:09 PM >>> Subject: [AUSTRALIAN-POWS] FW: POW WWII DUFF, Clarence William WX9780 >>> 2/32 >>> Infantry Battalion "A" Coy >>> >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Hi List >>> > >>> > I hope that someone out there can help me. >>> > >>> > I am researching my husband's Grandpop, Lance Corporal Clarence >>> > (Clarrie) >>> > William DUFF WX9780 from Perth. >>> > >>> > He was taken POW by the German's 17 July 1942, while fighting in the >>> > El >>> > Alamein area in an attempt to secure a ridge of high ground from TRIG >>> > 22 >>> > in the north ("A" coys task) to Qattara Track in the south (taken from >>> > 2/32 Infantry Battalion July- August 1942 Diary ). >>> > >>> > Troops were debussed at 2330hrs 16 July 1942 and at 0250hrs "A" coy >>> > was >>> > under heavy fire. At approx 0310hrs wireless communication broke down. >>> > At 0515hrs "A" coy sent a message saying " I have captured my >>> > objective, >>> > but think I have overshot the mark: am considering pulling back to >>> > objective." At this stage the Battalion Set was now out of action and >>> > a >>> > reply to this message was not possible. At 0530hrs supporting arms >>> > were >>> > sent in to assist, but also came under heavy enemy fire and had to >>> > take >>> > cover on the reverse slope. >>> > >>> > Apparently after "A" coy had captured their objective of TRIG 22 they >>> > moved off without further opposition and dug in some 1500yrds further >>> > on. >>> > It would appear that there was strong enemy forces in the depression >>> > between TRIG 22 and "A" coy. Shortly after 0900hrs the enemy realised >>> > that >>> > despite their best efforts they had lost the ridge. AT 1300hrs 18 July >>> > 1942 a note is made in the Action Diary "Nothing further has come to >>> > light >>> > regarding "A" coy" >>> > >>> > The "Battle Casualty Form" states that approx 120 men from "A" coy are >>> > Missing - Believed POW 17.7.42 >>> > >>> > Clarrie's Service and Casualty Form states that on the 27.7.42 - >>> > Reported >>> > Missing, believed POW and transferred to X List. The next entry is >>> > 1.10.42 Officially reported Prisoner of War Interred Camp 85 PM 3450. >>> > On >>> > 22.11.42 a note is written Tranferred from Italy to Stalag 8A end Sept >>> > now POW No 32459, now interred Stalag 344. >>> > >>> > On his POW form it states that Clarrie was in Stalag 317. On 24 Sept >>> > 1943 >>> > he was in Stalag 8A and then there is a notation saying 18 Oct 1943 >>> > O.K.W. >>> > M-Stalag 8B - also on 18.10.43 it is written E727 Mechtal, Kr Beuthen >>> > (or >>> > something like that!) I have googled and found that E727 is like a >>> > camp >>> > inside a camp of Stalag 8B which due to excessive numbers split up and >>> > a >>> > section was named Stalag 344. E727 was also a Power Station. I have a >>> > photo of Clarrie taken with a group of men dated Nov 1943 - Stalag >>> > 344 - I >>> > am not sure if they are all Australians or a mix of men from different >>> > countries. They all look healthy enough >>> > >>> > On 17 Jul 1944 Clarrie is moved to E543 Dombrowa - but I am unsure >>> > what >>> > this camp would be. >>> > >>> > Clarrie was thankfully released in May 1945 and arrived home in Aug >>> > 1945, >>> > he was discharged a month later. Sadly Clarrie has since passed on >>> > long >>> > before I got to meet him. He never spoke of his time as a POW, >>> > according >>> > to his youngest daughter - the only reference he ever made to being in >>> > the >>> > camps was when she would not eat certain things - he would say "you'd >>> > eat >>> > anything if you were hungry enough". >>> > >>> > I am hoping that some one on this list has some idea of where these >>> > camps >>> > were/are, what was the purpose of these camps and what would Clarrie >>> > have >>> > done there, why was Clarrie moved around and is there anyone out there >>> > who >>> > also had relatives in "A" Coy 2/32 AIF at that time who may have also >>> > been >>> > captured - or were part of the other Companies that held strong to >>> > ensure >>> > that the ridge was not lost to the enemy. I would love to hear from >>> > anyone who may have a father or grandfather who has told them stories >>> > of >>> > their time in any of these camps. >>> > >>> > I look forward to hearing from you >>> > >>> > kind regards >>> > >>> > >>> > Virginia >>> > >>> > . >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Check out The Great Australian Pay Check now Want to know what your >>> > boss >>> > is paid? >>> > >>> > _________________________________________________________________ >>> > Want to know what your boss is paid? Check out The Great Australian >>> > Pay >>> > Check now >>> > http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/ >>> > >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > AUSTRALIAN-POWS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> > without >>> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> To contact the AUSTRALIAN-POWS list administrator, send an email to >>> AUSTRALIAN-POWS-admin@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> To post a message to the AUSTRALIAN-POWS mailing list, send an email to >>> AUSTRALIAN-POWS@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> __________________________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> AUSTRALIAN-POWS-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >>> body of the >>> email with no additional text. >>> >>> >>> End of AUSTRALIAN-POWS Digest, Vol 3, Issue 2 >>> ********************************************* >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Want to know what your boss is paid? 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    11/14/2009 10:35:12