Hi all, I refer you to a bbc web page, about how the Stone came to be returned to Scotland. As you will see, it was decided in the 1950's to return it but it never happened, as shown when Govt. papers were released. Its worth a squizz to read. Cheers, Brenda http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/6183050.stm The stone had been taken to London in the 13th Century by Edward I, who had removed it from Scone, the capital of the ancient Pictish kingdom. It it is believed to have been the coronation seat of Scottish kings. In 1296 it was placed beneath the Coronation Chair of Westminster Abbey. Seven hundred years later it was being returned to Scotland. Another 10 years on and I've been finding out how exactly did the Stone come home? Well, one man was key. Lord Forsyth of Drumlean. In 1996, Michael Forsyth was the Conservative MP for Stirling, the secretary of state for Scotland ... and about to take everyone completely by surprise. He had been approached about the possibility of releasing a series of Government papers from the 1950s which showed that the Cabinet had agreed to return the Stone to Scotland. But it never happened. If the papers were released, he calculated there would be an outcry from his political opponents. John Major Conservative Prime Minister John Major announced the Stone's return He says he also believed bringing the stone home would be the right thing to do - in fact faced with these Cabinet papers he told me it was "a no-brainer." But John Major's announcement to the House of Commons on 3 July, 1996 certainly didn't please everyone. Especially at Westminster Abbey. They were given just two days' notice and had no time to protest at this historic flitting. Four months on from John Major's announcement and D-day was fixed for Wednesday 13 November.

Pamela / Listers AGREE - wikipedia says it was captured as spoils of war in 1296 by Edward I, and taken to Westminster Abbey ........I suppose it depends whether this is a factual matter or a 'reinterpreted' political question...........history is written by the victors... BTW I wasnt aware that it was 'stolen' and secretly taken north to Scotland by some Scottish students in 1950 Stephen Thwaite New Zealand //// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela Furmidge" <pamela.furmidge@proverba.co.uk> To: <australia-new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIA-NEW-ZEALAND] Next Week in Scottish History > I always thought the Stone of Scone was captured by Edward 1 as a prize of > war, rather than simply stolen. > ....[snip].... > > > >> Hi all, > >> always interesting,'The week in Scottish History'. > >> I particularly like the item regarding the return of the 'Stone of > >> Destiny' stolen in 1296 by the English King and returned on November 30 > >> 1996. > >> cheers, > >> Brenda > >>> Rampant Scotland Newsletter - Issue Number 554, dated 24 November 2007. ....[snip].... > >> November 30 1996 - Stone of Destiny, stolen from Scone by King Edward I > >> of > >> England in 1296, returned to Scotland and installed in Edinburgh Castle.

Yes Pamela, you are technically correct but it was still taken without consent and I guess, even though, "all's fair in love and war" it probably felt like it had been stolen. Cheers, Brenda xx Pamela Furmidge <pamela.furmidge@proverba.co.uk> said: > I always thought the Stone of Scone was captured by Edward 1 as a prize of > war, rather than simply stolen.

Thanks Brenda I enjoyed that. Julia, sunny, hot Wellington > Hi all, > always interesting,'The week in Scottish History'. > I particularly like the item regarding the return of the 'Stone of > Destiny' stolen in 1296 by the English King and returned on November 30 > 1996. > cheers, > Brenda >> Rampant Scotland Newsletter - Issue Number 554, dated 24 November 2007. >> Your weekly insight into what has been happening in Scotland, snipped >> from >> the Scottish media - plus some elements of Scottish culture. >> A Web version of this Newsletter, with some graphics and >> newspaper-style >> layout, is available at http://www.RampantScotland.com/letter.htm >> If you have been passed a copy of this Newsletter by someone else, but >> would like to receive your own free copy direct from Scotland, just >> send an >> email to Scottie@RampantScotland.com with "Subscribe" in the subject >> line. > > Next Week in Scottish History > November 25 1835 - Steel magnate and philanthropist Andrew Carnegie > born in > Dunfermline. > November 26 1836 - Death of John McAdam, inventor of "macadamisation" > road > surface with a smooth hard surface with a camber to ensure rainwater > rapidly drained away. > November 27 1703 - The greatest storm on record hit Britain with the > loss > of 8,000 people in 24 hours. > November 28 1666 - Battle of Rullion Green on the Pentland Hills, > south-west of Edinburgh, in which the King's army led by Sir Tam Dalyell > defeated the Covenanters. > November 29 1489 - Margaret Tudor, daughter of Henry VII of England was > born. She later married King James IV of Scotland in the "Union of the > Thistle and the Rose". It was due to her bloodline that King James VI of > Scotland was able to inherit the crown of England in 1603, after the > death > of his cousin, Queen Elizabeth I. > November 29 1599 - Royal Faculty of Physicians and Surgeons granted its > charter by King James VI. > November 30 - St Andrew's Day - patron saint of Scotland. > November 30 1872 - World's first international football (soccer) match, > Scotland V England at West of Scotland Cricket Ground. Result was 0-0. > November 30 1944 - HMS Vanguard, Britain's biggest and last battleship, > was > launched at Clydebank. > November 30 1996 - Stone of Destiny, stolen from Scone by King Edward I > of > England in 1296, returned to Scotland and installed in Edinburgh Castle. > December 1 1787 - First lighthouse in Scotland opened (at Kinnaird Head, > Fraserburgh). It was built by Thomas Smith and Robert Stevenson. > December 1 1966 - Hurricane-force winds caused widespread damage. > > > Queensland Dead Persons Society > Toowoomba www.audps.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUSTRALIA-NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all, always interesting,'The week in Scottish History'. I particularly like the item regarding the return of the 'Stone of Destiny' stolen in 1296 by the English King and returned on November 30 1996. cheers, Brenda > Rampant Scotland Newsletter - Issue Number 554, dated 24 November 2007. > Your weekly insight into what has been happening in Scotland, snipped > from > the Scottish media - plus some elements of Scottish culture. > A Web version of this Newsletter, with some graphics and > newspaper-style > layout, is available at http://www.RampantScotland.com/letter.htm > If you have been passed a copy of this Newsletter by someone else, but > would like to receive your own free copy direct from Scotland, just > send an > email to Scottie@RampantScotland.com with "Subscribe" in the subject > line. Next Week in Scottish History November 25 1835 - Steel magnate and philanthropist Andrew Carnegie born in Dunfermline. November 26 1836 - Death of John McAdam, inventor of "macadamisation" road surface with a smooth hard surface with a camber to ensure rainwater rapidly drained away. November 27 1703 - The greatest storm on record hit Britain with the loss of 8,000 people in 24 hours. November 28 1666 - Battle of Rullion Green on the Pentland Hills, south-west of Edinburgh, in which the King's army led by Sir Tam Dalyell defeated the Covenanters. November 29 1489 - Margaret Tudor, daughter of Henry VII of England was born. She later married King James IV of Scotland in the "Union of the Thistle and the Rose". It was due to her bloodline that King James VI of Scotland was able to inherit the crown of England in 1603, after the death of his cousin, Queen Elizabeth I. November 29 1599 - Royal Faculty of Physicians and Surgeons granted its charter by King James VI. November 30 - St Andrew's Day - patron saint of Scotland. November 30 1872 - World's first international football (soccer) match, Scotland V England at West of Scotland Cricket Ground. Result was 0-0. November 30 1944 - HMS Vanguard, Britain's biggest and last battleship, was launched at Clydebank. November 30 1996 - Stone of Destiny, stolen from Scone by King Edward I of England in 1296, returned to Scotland and installed in Edinburgh Castle. December 1 1787 - First lighthouse in Scotland opened (at Kinnaird Head, Fraserburgh). It was built by Thomas Smith and Robert Stevenson. December 1 1966 - Hurricane-force winds caused widespread damage.

I always thought the Stone of Scone was captured by Edward 1 as a prize of war, rather than simply stolen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julia White" <juliawhite@paradise.net.nz> To: <australia-new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 1:39 AM Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIA-NEW-ZEALAND] Next Week in Scottish History > Thanks Brenda I enjoyed that. > Julia, sunny, hot Wellington > > > >> Hi all, >> always interesting,'The week in Scottish History'. >> I particularly like the item regarding the return of the 'Stone of >> Destiny' stolen in 1296 by the English King and returned on November 30 >> 1996. >> cheers, >> Brenda >>> Rampant Scotland Newsletter - Issue Number 554, dated 24 November 2007. >>> Your weekly insight into what has been happening in Scotland, snipped >>> from >>> the Scottish media - plus some elements of Scottish culture. >>> A Web version of this Newsletter, with some graphics and >>> newspaper-style >>> layout, is available at http://www.RampantScotland.com/letter.htm >>> If you have been passed a copy of this Newsletter by someone else, but >>> would like to receive your own free copy direct from Scotland, just >>> send an >>> email to Scottie@RampantScotland.com with "Subscribe" in the subject >>> line. >> >> Next Week in Scottish History >> November 25 1835 - Steel magnate and philanthropist Andrew Carnegie >> born in >> Dunfermline. >> November 26 1836 - Death of John McAdam, inventor of "macadamisation" >> road >> surface with a smooth hard surface with a camber to ensure rainwater >> rapidly drained away. >> November 27 1703 - The greatest storm on record hit Britain with the >> loss >> of 8,000 people in 24 hours. >> November 28 1666 - Battle of Rullion Green on the Pentland Hills, >> south-west of Edinburgh, in which the King's army led by Sir Tam Dalyell >> defeated the Covenanters. >> November 29 1489 - Margaret Tudor, daughter of Henry VII of England was >> born. She later married King James IV of Scotland in the "Union of the >> Thistle and the Rose". It was due to her bloodline that King James VI of >> Scotland was able to inherit the crown of England in 1603, after the >> death >> of his cousin, Queen Elizabeth I. >> November 29 1599 - Royal Faculty of Physicians and Surgeons granted its >> charter by King James VI. >> November 30 - St Andrew's Day - patron saint of Scotland. >> November 30 1872 - World's first international football (soccer) match, >> Scotland V England at West of Scotland Cricket Ground. Result was 0-0. >> November 30 1944 - HMS Vanguard, Britain's biggest and last battleship, >> was >> launched at Clydebank. >> November 30 1996 - Stone of Destiny, stolen from Scone by King Edward I >> of >> England in 1296, returned to Scotland and installed in Edinburgh Castle. >> December 1 1787 - First lighthouse in Scotland opened (at Kinnaird Head, >> Fraserburgh). It was built by Thomas Smith and Robert Stevenson. >> December 1 1966 - Hurricane-force winds caused widespread damage. >> >> >> Queensland Dead Persons Society >> Toowoomba www.audps.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUSTRALIA-NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > Queensland Dead Persons Society > Toowoomba www.audps.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUSTRALIA-NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1139 - Release Date: > 19/11/2007 12:35 > >

Hi, Actually most state and many good regional libraries and genealogical groups have the fiche version and the newer marriages to 1956 CD. The State Library of Qld has both plus electoral rolls and newspapers and other pulications. Regards. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "the clearys" <marjimnz@xtra.co.nz> To: <australia-new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:14 PM Subject: [AUSTRALIA-NEW-ZEALAND] birth details > Hi Nicole, The surest way to get NZ birth details is to get the birth > cert.Or if you have a name you could join the NZ Mailing list and ask if > anyone on the list has a connection with your person.The records that are > available at the Library will just tell you what year and the quarter the > person was born in.If you would like me to do a check for you contact me > off list with a name. > Cheers, Jim Cleary, NZ > > > Queensland Dead Persons Society > Toowoomba www.audps.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUSTRALIA-NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.486 / Virus Database: 269.15.30/1125 - Release Date: > 11/11/2007 9:50 PM >

Hi Nicole, The surest way to get NZ birth details is to get the birth cert.Or if you have a name you could join the NZ Mailing list and ask if anyone on the list has a connection with your person.The records that are available at the Library will just tell you what year and the quarter the person was born in.If you would like me to do a check for you contact me off list with a name. Cheers, Jim Cleary, NZ

Dear Listers, I am new to this list and was wondering how to find out birth details for people born in NZ from 1916 onwards?? Any help would be appreciated Regards Nicole NSW

Evening Post 5 November 1875 Page 2 Marriage-WOODFIELD to MEARS On the 1st inst, at the residence of Mr C. Mears, Abel Smith-street, by the Rev. Mr H.Dewsbury, William Woodfield, of Castlemaine, Victoria, to Martha, the youngest daughter of J.W.MEARS of Wellington. [Napier and Wellington papers please copy.]

Evening Post, 29 June 1877 MARRIAGE.-CAREY to GARBUTT On the 23rd June, at the residence of Mr George Ross, by the Rev. J. Moir, George Nicholas, eldest son of the late Captain Carey, to Martha Jan, youngest daughter of the late Captain Garbutt, of Liverpool. [Melbourne and Napier papers please copy.]

HBH 1892 Oct 20 WHITE WELLINGTON A body found at the Botanical Gardens to-day, has been identified as that of Peter WHITE, late salesman of Kempthorne Prosser and Comp's Drug Department. Two months ago he had been drinking heavily about that time, and is supposed to have committed suicide by taking poison. The deceased was about 50 years of age and is believed to have left a wife and family residing in SYDNEY.

HBH 1892 Oct 20 WARRIMOO Auckland Wednesday The new inter-colonial service provided by Messrs HUDDART, PARKER, and Co was inaugurated by the arrival of the Warrimoo early this morning from SYDNEY, after a fast passage. She brought 58 passengers for NEW ZEALAND. She leaves again at noon today for South and MELBOURNE. A great deal of interest was manifested here, and the steamer was inspected and admired by a large number of people. It was anticipated that she would break the record between SYDNEY and AUCKLAND, but owing to the completion of a long voyage, and alleged inferiority of the coal, she did not accomplish this. She left SYDNEY on the 15th at 6 30 a.m., and arrived at AUCKLAND at 1.30 a.m. on the 19th, after a passage of 3 days 19 hours.

HBH 1892 Oct 20 COLE Aus content AUCKLAND Philip Tennyson COLE, artist of Melbourne was arrested on a warrant today on a charge of intending to desert his wife, Alice Mary COLE, and of leaving her without adequate means of support. He was remanded on the 22nd inst, but was admitted to bail.

HBH 1892 Oct 20 Telegraphic Shipping Per United Press Association AUCKLAND-Wednesday Arrived-Warrimoo from SYDNEY. Passengers for NAPIER: Mr LEEDS and four steerage The Warrimoo has sailed for south. Passengers for NAPIER: Mr and Mrs ALEY.

HBH 1892 Oct 18 Telegraphic Shipping Press Association-Monday ALBANY Arrived-Orizba from LONDON Passengers for New Zealand: Mr and Mrs ALLAN Mr and Mrs HAINES Mrs HAY and son Rev. Mr. RYAN. HOBART The s.s. LINCOLNSHIRE arrived from LONDON this morning all well. She resumed her voyage to AUCKLAND at 6 o'clock tonight.

HBH 1892 Oct 18 Districts content Wellington The New Zealand Times says that the telegraph boy bearing JENKINSON'S nomination to the Legislative Council found him working inside a boiler and thrust the message in through a small hole. JENKINSON thought it was a hoax, and was only persuaded with difficulty to write the answer which he did without saying a word. Mr David LEWIS, who was for many years connected with the New Zealand Company, died today at the age of 90. He arrived in 1840, and was Land Commissioner for the company until about 12 years ago, when its affairs were finally settled. The Hinemoa leaves for Onehunga tomorrow, calling at New Plymouth, where his Excellency the Governor, the Countess of Glasgow, Lady Augusta BOYLE, Captain Hunter BLAIR, A.D.C., and the Hon W.P. REEVES, who left for Wanganui this morning, will embark. The other members of Lord Glasgow's family and his staff will also be present. A private letter from one of the men attending the New South Wales Rifle Association's meeting states that the AUCKLAND and WELLINGTON men, DOUGHTY, M'CARTHY, WEBSTER, BROWN, WEIR, RAIT, A.BALLINGER, FRUSE, KUCHEN of Wanganui, are likely to form the New Zealand team for the inter colonial match, and Major STRANG, an old shot in Sydney, has offered his services as captain.

HBH 1892 Oct 17 Shipping Arrivals Port of NAPIER Arrivals 14th-Weka from MAHIA 15th-Kawatiri FROM GISBORNE and WESTPORT 15th-Wairarapa s.s. from SYDNEY and Northern Ports Passengers: - Mesdames GOW and child Misses BIBBY, RASHALL Messrs: RUSSELL, DUNCAN, WILSON, GUNN, KELLY, GOW, WINGFIELD, ALLEN, GREIG, ELLYETT, COLGROVE, WILLCOCKS, the WILLIAMSON OPERA Company (69) and 11 steerage. 16th-Te Kapu s.s. from WAIROA Passengers: Mrs GLENDINNING and child Messrs: ROBERTS, REID, M'HARA, CAMPBELL, MURRAY 5 Natives. 16th-Talune s.s. from MELBOURNE and Southern ports Passengers: - Mesdames SKEY and PILIEN Misses: SKEY and ZOHRAB Messrs: IRVINE, WILCOX, ELERDIGE 15 Steerage.

HBH 1892 Oct 17 Shipping Departures Departures Port of NAPIER 15th-Kawatiri s.s. for WESTPORT 15th-Wairarapa s.s. for MELBOURNE and southern Ports Passengers: - Mrs MACDONALD Misses TIFFEN, YATES, M'KAY Messrs: PITT, MACDONALD, AUSTIN, SPENCE, and 3 steerage 15th- Te Kapu for WAIROA 16th-Talune s.s. for GISBORNE and AUCKLAND Passengers: Mesdames P?PE, WHITELAW Messrs: CHESSMAN, BADDELY, LUDLOW, MURRAY, PADDLE, THOMAS, LIND, TATHAM, M'RAE, FARREL, JULL, HOPE, HIENES, HOWE, KENNEDY, DRUMMOND, CROWLEY, MILLER, WILLIAMS, PROFFIT, M'LEAN'S Australian Company, and Sir G. WHITMORE.

HBH 1892 Oct 17 DIXON William A man named William DIXON aged 107 years, died at Grafton, Victoria lately. He was a resident of Victoria for 94 years.