There is no Martha Emily ALLEN marr in N.Z. There is a Martha Christina ALLAN marr 1904 to Thomas Fraser PICKETT Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg&Rae Ryan" <ryanbrisi@bigpond.com> To: <australia-new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: [AUSTRALIA-NEW-ZEALAND] marriage lookup > Was wondering if any of our New Zealand people would be able to do a > look-up on a marriage for Martha Emily Allen on or abt 21 Jan 1904.Not > sure if she married in Aust or NZ. > Rae. > > > Queensland Dead Persons Society > Toowoomba www.audps.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUSTRALIA-NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1170 - Release Date: > 12/4/2007 10:52 a.m. > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 5120 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Was wondering if any of our New Zealand people would be able to do a look-up on a marriage for Martha Emily Allen on or abt 21 Jan 1904.Not sure if she married in Aust or NZ. Rae.

HBH 1892 Nov 7 2 Shipping Departures DEPARTURES 5th-Kanieri for Northern Ports-Passengers:-Messrs: FOX, CAMPBELL, and MURRAY 5th-Te Kapu for Wairoa 5th-Result for Mohaka 6th-Enterprise, brigantine for DUNEDIN 6th-Orpheus, schooner for TIMARU. Master-agent 6th-Lily for Wairoa 6th-Manapouri s.s. for SYDNEY and Northern Ports Passengers: - Mesdames: MARRICK, ROBINSON, LEES, and LUSK Misses: REES, M'LEAN, and CAMERON Messrs: HOLLOW, NEWTON (2), CLARKE, TIFFEN, ROBINSON, MERRY, HEATLEY, METCRUF 6 steerage.

HBH 1892 Nov 7 2 FRASER H.C. Sydney The President of the Sydney Chamber of Commerce (Mr H.C.FRASER) recently said: "Capital has been frightened by the action of Unions, and thousands of pounds are lying idle simply because their owners will not start industries mainly depending on labor, I, for one, believe that unionism up to a certain point was a blessing, not only to the men, but to the masters; but in its later developments it has become a curse to both."

HBH 1892 Nov 7 2 Shipping ARRIVALS ARRIVALS Port of NAPIER 5th-Result from MOHAKA 5th-Kanieri from Northern Ports Passengers: - Mesdames: BURTON and child, BROUGHTON and child, AUSTIN and FORREST Miss: BLYTHE Messrs: SCOTT, OLIVER, GANNON, WILLIAMSON, CHAMBERS, CORRY, M'FARLANE, SALMON, KARIATIANA, GREENUP, OLSEN (2), THORSEN (2), CHRISTOPHER, INGERBRETSEN (2), CHRISTOFFERSEN, HEWSEN (3), WAHI, LORRENSEN, AUSTIN, THOMPSON, CRICHTON. 6th-Te Kapu from WAIROA 6th-Manapouri from MELBOURNE and Southern Ports Passengers: - Mesdames SMITH, PATTERSON Misses: HARDY, PATTERSON (3), BRIERCLIFFE Messrs: CLATWORTHY, SANDERSON, KORP, BROUGHTON and son. M'PHAIL, PATTERSON (2), BROWN, CHARLES, GOWING 8 steerage. 6th-Orowaiti from GREYMOUTH

HBH 1892 Nov 5 2 Telegraphic shipping TELEGRAPHIC SHIPPING SYDNEY-Friday Sailed-Pukaki for WELLINGTON.

HBH 1892 Nov 4 2 MUSIN Ovide Ovide MUSIN, the violinist, contrived to play a rather cruel trick upon the omniscient critics of the Melbourne morning papers. His first concert was rather thinly attended, and each of those clever persons assured him through the medium of the organs of public opinion which they enliven that the reason of public apathy was that he did not play the so-called "classical" music, for which, according to their account, the concert-goers hunger and thirst. So he put up a job one night, a "Caprice de Concert" of his own composition, a showy, tuneful thing, intended merely to display the rapidity of his fingering. This he repeated the next night, credititing it to Wieniawaki, and calling it a mazurka. The critics did not recognise it, but they accepted it as a good specimen of that composer's style, and discoursed learnedly about its characteristic peculiarities. The third night he passed off the same piece as the work of Raff, and the fourth night put it down to Leonard, and so on throughout the whole of his seven concerts, each night playing the same piece without the slightest alteration, and each night changing its name and giving it a new technical appellation. The result proved than none of the critics knew a cavatina from a mazurka, and when Musin's agent, M. Fabien FERRAUD, told them plainly how they had been fooled, after his principal had left, their despair and outrage were pretty to behold.

HBH 1892 Nov 4 2 shipping No Passengers listed inwards or outward Arrivals Port of NAPIER 3rd-Kiwi s.s. from WELLINGTON 3rd-Kahu s.s. from WELLINGTON 3rd-Fanny s.s. from the Coast 3rd-Result s.s. from MOHAKA Departures 3rd-Te Kapu s.s. for WAIROA 3rd-Result s.s. for MOHAKA 3rd-Kiwi s.s. for WELLINGTON 3rd-Kahu s.s. for WELLINGTON. Telegraphic Shipping SYDNEY-Thursday Sailed-Waihora for AUCKLAND MELBOURNE-Thursday Arrived-Talune from BLUFF Sailed-Wairarapa for BLUFF.

Hi all, more fascinating facts from Scotland's past and interesting items from the present. For those of you who may like to go to the 'Rampant Scotland' web page or have a weekly email sent, the details are below. I have found out lots over the years from this weekly email. Rampant Scotland Newsletter - Issue Number 555, dated 1 December 2007. Your weekly insight into what has been happening in Scotland, snipped from the Scottish media - plus some elements of Scottish culture. A Web version of this Newsletter, with some graphics and newspaper-style layout, is available at http://www.RampantScotland.com/letter.htm If you have been passed a copy of this Newsletter by someone else, but would like to receive your own free copy direct from Scotland, just send an email to Scottie@RampantScotland.com with "Subscribe" in the subject line. Cheers, Brenda (from a wonderful summer's day in New Zealand) Next Week in Scottish History December 2 1848 - Mary Slessor, missionary to West Africa, born in Aberdeen. December 3 1894 - Robert Louis Stevenson died in Samoa. December 3 1906 - His Majesty’s Theatre in Aberdeen opened and soon became the city’s leading theatre. December 4 1214 - King William I (Lion) died at Stirling and was succeeded by his son Alexander II. December 4 1423 - Treaty of London, releasing James I from his 18 years captivity in England. December 4 1795 - Essayist and historian Thomas Carlyle, best known for his "French Revolution" born in Ecclefechan. December 4 1937 - Cartoon character Desperate Dan first appeared in the "Dandy" comic. December 5 1560 - King Francis II of France, husband of Mary Queen of Scots, died. December 6 1214 - King Alexander II crowned at Scone. December 6 1745 - Charles Edward Stewart's entry into Derby, the most southerly point reached by the Jacobite Uprising.. December 7 521 - Day on which St. Columba was reputedly born in Donegal, Ireland. After being banished to Scotland, following battles over monastic possessions, he established a monastery on Iona. December 8 1542 - Mary, Queen of Scots, born Linlithgow Palace. Her father, on his deathbed said "It cam wi' ane lass; it will pas wi' ane lass" - a reference to the Stuart line starting when Marjorie Bruce, daughter of King Robert the Bruce, married Walter, High Steward of Scotland. Distinctive Scotland Census After consultation with the Scottish Government ministers, the Registrar General has announced that Scotland will move away from the combined census system with the Office of National Statistics (ONS) in England and Wales to allow a census that is more aligned to Scotland's needs. There have been calls for more questions tailored to record and reflect Scotland's individual demographic needs. Most questions will remain standard, but there is now room for new and separate questions if a need is identified. Since 1881, the census has included a question for Scotland on Gaelic, asking people if they can understand, speak, read or write the language. But the next census could incorporate questions on, for example, how many people consider themselves Scots, rather than Gaelic, language speakers, and questions on race and ethnicity may be more tailored to suit the pattern of immigration in Scotland. Carbuncle Crown for Coatbridge It's the contest nobody wants to win. A few years back, a minor architecture magazine that few had heard of before, launched an "award" for the worst town centre in Scotland. The candidates are nominated by the public and a short list is drawn up, with the winners selected by an on-line vote (often a dubious way of reaching a result). This year, the town that got the most votes was Coatbridge in North Lanarkshire. The "Carbuncle" award has previously been won by Cumbernauld (twice) and Airdrie - both also in North Lanarkshire. The local Member of the Scottish Parliament said that the award was an "insult to the good people of the town". She added "This is nothing more than a patronising publicity stunt. Those at Prospect magazine should get out of their ivory tower and come and tour my Coatbridge and see it's a great place." She was handed the award while being interviewed in Drumpellier Country Park, which is adjacent to Coatbridge. HISTORICAL AFFAIRS - Topical Items Relating to Scotland's Past ************************************************************************ ******* Edzell Castle Mysteries The garden at Edzell Castle in Angus, surrounded by a remarkable series of sculptured panels on its walls, was created in 1604 by Sir David Lindsay. His intention was to create a stimulus for both the mind and the senses with not just a selection of plants and flowers but niches for sculptures and flowers around the walls with representations of "Planetary Deities" and "Liberal Arts" as well as the "Cardinal Virtues". The sculptures were created by a Flemish Renaissance master Maarten de Vos which have become famous as one of Scotland's most remarkable feats of Renaissance art. But lots of questions about the 14 that depict the liberal arts and cardinal virtues could not be answered as nothing was known about the artistic source from which the stonemason drew inspiration. So there was no way of knowing what missing or broken panels might have looked like, or of explaining certain oddities about the carvings. For example, why are the scales of Justice tipped to the right when they should be evenly balanced and "Dialectic" looked as though she had a tiny man in her hand, who was poking a bird with a big stick! Now Historic Scotland has found copies of engravings of the original designs by Maarten de Vos in Amsterdam's Rijksmuseum. This work has revealed, for example that Music was supposed to be elegant, with long braided hair, and that Astronomy was young and beautiful. But although the missing details of the sculptures have been established, the meaning and intent of some of the designs still largely remain a mystery. Auchindoun Castle Reopens to Public Historic Scotland has recently completed a three-year programme of safety and conservation work at Auchindoun Castle, a medieval hill-top fortress near Dufftown, in Moray. The public have been unable to gain access to the building since the 1960s due to the danger of falling masonry. Skilled stone masons from Historic Scotland’s Monument Conservation Unit have consolidated the walls of the four-storey castle, using traditional materials and methods. The castle stands within the ramparts of an Iron Age hill fort and was built for John, earl of Mar, in the 15th century. But he was later murdered by his own brother, King James III. The castle then passed to Thomas Cochrane, one of the king’s favourites. He also came to an unpleasant end when he was hanged from Lauder Bridge in 1482 by jealous nobles led by Archibald "Bell-the-Cat" Douglas, earl of Angus. The castle later became a stronghold of the Gordons but was torched by the Mackintoshes in 1591. Although repaired, it was finally abandoned in the 18th century.

Evening Post 10 June 1896 Page 4 MARRIAGE-BUCKMASTER to PHILPOTT On the 23rd May, at the residence of the bride's parents, Kilburnie, by the Rev. J. Ward, Fred, eldest son of John Buckmaster, Mentmore, England, to Louise Alberta, second daughter of Mr George Philpott, Kilburnie, Wellington. Timaru and Melbourne papers please copy.

Evening Post 19 February 1896 Page 2 DEATH -MEREDITH-On the 17th instant, at Zeeban,, Tasmania, Richard Re?bey, second son of Edwin Meredith of Llandaff, Masterton, aged 39 years.

Evening Post, 18 November 1890 DEATH-CAREY-On the 17th November, 1890 at Fitzherbert-street, Petone, Elsie Blanche, eldest daughter of George and Martha Carey, aged 5 years and 11 months. Melbourne and Napier papers please copy.

SHIPPING NEWS: Passenger arrivals - Jan. 10 - Mararoa, s.s., from Sydney and Northern ports. Passengers - Mesdames DURIE, NESBITT, ECCLES, KITTOW, PURCHES, ROSS, BUFF, SKIPWORTH, SNADDAN, M'IVOR, and RENWAY; Misses GRANT (2), DURIE, HARRICK, GILPIN, HOED, TODD, KIDD, and MARSHALL; Messrs FOSTER, SPEEDY, CRAIG (2), GOLLAN, BULL (2), MOORE, ECCLES, ALEXANDER, COLLAIN, LOWRY, WILKINSON, DAY, HICKEY, KENNEDY, WILTON, KITTOW, RUNTAN, OXLEY, BRIDGEON, PARIS, PALMER, MACDONALD, COATES, HENWOOD, STODDART, WUNDRAM, LUSK, BEATSON, LAING, FAULKNOR, LARGE, MORRISON, RIDDLE, REES, BOLTON, MARSHALL, SKIPWORTH, BECKETT, RENWAY, DeLATOUR, and SCHWABE; 10 cricketers, The NEW BOY COMPANY (12); 35 steerage. Passenger departures - Jan. 10 - Mararoa, s.s., for Southern ports and Melbourne. Passengers - Mesdames O'BRIEN and child, SIMMONDS, ENNOR, ROCHFORT, SCANLON, ROSKRUGE, SYKES, STEAD and family, HOLCROFT, and HICKSON; Misses BRIGGS, STANLEY, HARPHAM, MARTIN, COTTRELL, LONERGAN, BIRCHALL, ALDERSON, and REX; Messrs MORRISON, PULLEN, FULTON, BAXTER, TANNER (2), BAILEY, ROCHFORT, BRADSHAW, STEAD, WATSON, PATTON: 20 steerage.

Evening Post 8 December 1898 Page 6 DEATH-KNIGHT On 6th December, at Sydney, Herbert James Percy, youngest son of C. Godfrey and Jessie Knight; aged 21 years.

HBH 1892 Nov 2 3 ALLAN No 534 Henry ALLAN write to Mrs John ALLAN, General Post Office, Melbourne, anxious.

I have a small book, my copy, 1953, " No Stone Unturned . A story of the Stone of Destiny " by Ian R. Hamilton, & signed ,( probably in 1957,) by him. The Forward is by Compton Mackenzie. After so many years, I need to reread the book, but, a quick glance, it seems that it was about Christmas 1950, that the Stone was returned to Scotland, by some young Scots. Some months after this, on April 11 th 1951 , the Stone was secretly left in the ruined Abbey of Arbroath, was then uplifted by authorities & taken back to London. Mary -----Original Message----- From: Brenda &amp; Tony MacCulloch [mailto:ajmac@internet.co.nz] Sent: Monday, 26 November 2007 10:24 a.m. To: australia-new-zealand@rootsweb.com; Mary Legarth Subject: how the stone of destiny came to be returned to scotland Hi all, I refer you to a bbc web page, about how the Stone came to be returned to Scotland. As you will see, it was decided in the 1950's to return it but it never happened, as shown when Govt. papers were released. Its worth a squizz to read. Cheers, Brenda http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/6183050.stm The stone had been taken to London in the 13th Century by Edward I, who had removed it from Scone, the capital of the ancient Pictish kingdom. It it is believed to have been the coronation seat of Scottish kings. In 1296 it was placed beneath the Coronation Chair of Westminster Abbey. Seven hundred years later it was being returned to Scotland. Another 10 years on and I've been finding out how exactly did the Stone come home? Well, one man was key. Lord Forsyth of Drumlean. In 1996, Michael Forsyth was the Conservative MP for Stirling, the secretary of state for Scotland ... and about to take everyone completely by surprise. He had been approached about the possibility of releasing a series of Government papers from the 1950s which showed that the Cabinet had agreed to return the Stone to Scotland. But it never happened. If the papers were released, he calculated there would be an outcry from his political opponents. John Major Conservative Prime Minister John Major announced the Stone's return He says he also believed bringing the stone home would be the right thing to do - in fact faced with these Cabinet papers he told me it was "a no-brainer." But John Major's announcement to the House of Commons on 3 July, 1996 certainly didn't please everyone. Especially at Westminster Abbey. They were given just two days' notice and had no time to protest at this historic flitting. Four months on from John Major's announcement and D-day was fixed for Wednesday 13 November.

HBH 1892 Nov 1 2 The Union Company's Te Anau will arrive at this port on Friday next, being a day ahead of time-table for the purpose of taking visitors to the CHRISTCHURCH Show and races. Telegraphic shipping SYDNEY-Monday Arrived-Waihora from AUCKLAND Sailed-Monowai for AUCKLAND.

Well, Brenda, Edward did have a political reason - the Stone was the traditional coronation spot of the ancient High Kings of Scotland and by removing it to London, he was underlining his claims to be the Overlord of Scotland. Edward had been asked (at one point) to decide from among a number of claiments who had the best claim to be King of Scotland. It is an interesting piece of history! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda &amp; Tony MacCulloch" <ajmac@internet.co.nz> To: <australia-new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIA-NEW-ZEALAND] Next Week in Scottish History > Yes Pamela, you are technically correct but it was still taken without > consent > and I guess, even though, "all's fair in love and war" it probably felt > like > it had been stolen. > Cheers, > Brenda xx > > Pamela Furmidge <pamela.furmidge@proverba.co.uk> said: >> I always thought the Stone of Scone was captured by Edward 1 as a prize >> of >> war, rather than simply stolen. > > > > Queensland Dead Persons Society > Toowoomba www.audps.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUSTRALIA-NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.0/1139 - Release Date: > 19/11/2007 12:35 > >

The Stone of Scone, was returned to Scotland early 1950's certainly before 1957. I have, had, a book written by those who uplifted it enabling it's return. Mary -----Original Message----- From: australia-new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:australia-new-zealand-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Thwaite Sent: Sunday, 25 November 2007 9:07 p.m. To: australia-new-zealand@rootsweb.com; pamela.furmidge@proverba.co.uk; juliawhite@paradise.net.nz Subject: [AUSTRALIA-NEW-ZEALAND] Next Week in Scottish History.Stone of Scone - the question Pamela / Listers AGREE - wikipedia says it was captured as spoils of war in 1296 by Edward I, and taken to Westminster Abbey ........I suppose it depends whether this is a factual matter or a 'reinterpreted' political question...........history is written by the victors... BTW I wasnt aware that it was 'stolen' and secretly taken north to Scotland by some Scottish students in 1950 Stephen Thwaite New Zealand //// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela Furmidge" <pamela.furmidge@proverba.co.uk> To: <australia-new-zealand@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIA-NEW-ZEALAND] Next Week in Scottish History > I always thought the Stone of Scone was captured by Edward 1 as a prize of > war, rather than simply stolen. > ....[snip].... > > > >> Hi all, > >> always interesting,'The week in Scottish History'. > >> I particularly like the item regarding the return of the 'Stone of > >> Destiny' stolen in 1296 by the English King and returned on November 30 > >> 1996. > >> cheers, > >> Brenda > >>> Rampant Scotland Newsletter - Issue Number 554, dated 24 November 2007. ....[snip].... > >> November 30 1996 - Stone of Destiny, stolen from Scone by King Edward I > >> of > >> England in 1296, returned to Scotland and installed in Edinburgh Castle. Queensland Dead Persons Society Toowoomba www.audps.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUSTRALIA-NEW-ZEALAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________ NOD32 2684 (20071125) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com