O.K. you've had your say, let me just say that I could have walked away from this a month ago, but didn't. And the reason maybe why I didn't answer your question is because of the many stuff-ups that have happened with Telstra that could do a simple change over. At my expence I had everything changed to a Melbourne address so that I could continue trying to help others and look after my Father who has dementure and a Mother who has suffered a stroke and to try and keep her out of a nursing home I've had to undertake a carers training cause to take care of her. You have read everything I've said in a defencive manor and not the way I wrote it to mean, so I'm sorry if you are un-happy, and no I'm not in anyway trying to keep everything to myself that should be clear if you take a look at the web page. ----- Original Message ----- From: Trevor Rhodes <trevor@rhodes-online.net> Date: Thursday, May 22, 2003 7:16 am Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Other cemeteries on line > Ray & others, > > > Dear dear me, it makes me wonder if any of you ever look at the tag > > lines at the bottom of the Cemetery pages, if you did so you > would find > > listings for cemeteries for every state in Australia. > > Sarcasm huh? I shall try to explain so that I don't get anymore of > these > messages from people who fail to understand what was quite simply > an honest > exchange between two members of this list. > > Ralph said he had started a project. All I did was to ask for > clarification. > Nothing wrong there unless you think that cemeteries are your > exclusive > domain. Do you really have links to 'every' online cemetery? Is > there not > room for others in our cemeteries? Why not encourage others, so > that there > is even more out there for researchers? > > You do a great job with this list and the website, though I can't > see how you > could possibly think that cemeteries are your exclusive domain. > But > seemingly you do or this conversation wouldn't be taking place. > > > Or are we wasting out time in the gathering of information and > the time > > it's taken in making it available to not only to folks in > Australia but > > to everyone no matter where they might be? > > It's this kind of immaturity that really gets me annoyed. There > is absolutely > no need to ask such a question when you damn well know the answer, > but I'll > answer just to be sure it gets through to you. > > "OF COURSE NOT RAY, YOU DO A GREAT AND NOBLE JOB. IT'S VERY > COMMENDABLE THAT > YOU USE YOUR OWN VALUABLE TIME AND RESOURCES TO HELP OTHERS. YOU > DO A JOB > THAT IS VERY NECESSARY FOR GENEALOGISTS WHO HAVE FEW RESOURCES AND > LITTLE > TIME TO GET OUT THERE THEMSELVES." > > That was _not_ sarcasm. That is exactly how I feel. The question > though is > something I'd expect from someone who is feeling threatened, which > is totally > unecessary. What were you expecting in an answer to that > question? Did you > think I would say 'Yes Ray, you are wasting your time. Nobody > needs you, > this list or access to anything to do with cemeteries.' Really, > you amaze > me. > > > Maybe it's because I wear Bifocals? Please tell me if I'm wrong? > > Ooooh, sarcasm again. I'm not impressed. Why do you ask such > inane and > totally unecessary questions? What is it you are trying to prove? > > > Your comments are welcome > > It seems not actually, or as I said earlier, this conversation > wouldn't be > happening. This is the second time I've been asked to explain > myself, not > only by the list admin, but on list as well. Last time it was > another so > called List Admin of yours, and when I spoke to you about, you > couldn't even > take the time to listen to my side of the story, but gave me > 'they're an > experienced List Admin and if they say it was like that then it > was like > that' and you wouldn't hear anymore. That attitude isn't very > even handed. > It smacks of an air of superiority. > > Quite honestly, I find this list to be very helpful and necessary, > but if this > is the kind of thinly veiled 'I'm the List Admin and you'll not > tread on my > toes' rubbish that people have to put up with, then I can do > without it. > > I encourage others to take up the task of helping their fellow > genealogists in > gathering data and making it available. Especially in cemeteries > and there > is becoming a definite need for another 'outlet' if you will. At > least then > people will have a choice. > > Here's something to think about when I'm gone, which I will be by > the time you > get this as I have no further use for you or your policies. > > Why, when we are talking about the whole of Australia, are there > so few people > on this list? This list shoudl be so much larger. What could > possibly keep > them away? This is a list that should be necessary to all > genealogists, > after all, we al end up in cemeteries. Oh, and a little hint in > case your > superiority gets in the way of your understanding. No? Too > subtle? Ok, > that was the hint. Think about it, it may do some good. > > > Ray. > > List Admin. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Reid <intohistory@optusnet.com.au> > > Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:56 pm > > Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] > > Other cemeteries on line > > > > > >Could you clarify 'online access'? Do you mean we would be able > > > > > > to access > > > the > > > > > > >data online or that we could contact the cemetery personell > > > > > > online to ask > > > for > > > > > > >lookups? > > > > > > Hello Trevor, > > > > > > By 'online access' I mean that there is a capability of accessing > > > the data > > > online, usually by surname search. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Ralph Reid > > > Sydney > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > ================================================================== > Cemetery Records on line:- > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~batman/ > ================================================================== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Listers all We have been reading notes of a friends absence and the reason for that have been made very clear. I for one do not EXPECT help let alone demand it of anyone. We should be grateful for all help given.Remembering that we all have lives away from this list.I have offered look ups for immigrants to NSW 1828 thru 1842 and will always try to deliver asap...BUT family must come first and for those of who work ....well guess where ....list help goes.and that is the same for all others that offer help......BUT if we are abused on and off list for taking time to answer....the LIST will suffer. To our friend in Melbourne...Peace and goodwill be withyou in this very very difficult time. Christene as I havesaid if I can help with immigrant arrivals 1828 to 1842 and cemetery searches in the Illawarra

dont worry about em sweetie its not worth it you know you do a good job, that is what counts and hell you have a lot on youre plate now you poor thing the best of luck ----- Original Message ----- From: <batie@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 2:32 PM Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Other cemeteries on line > O.K. you've had your say, let me just say that I could have walked away > from this a month ago, but didn't. And the reason maybe why I didn't > answer your question is because of the many stuff-ups that have > happened with Telstra that could do a simple change over. > At my expence I had everything changed to a Melbourne address so that I > could continue trying to help others and look after my Father who has > dementure and a Mother who has suffered a stroke and to try and keep > her out of a nursing home I've had to undertake a carers training cause > to take care of her. > You have read everything I've said in a defencive manor and not the way > I wrote it to mean, so I'm sorry if you are un-happy, and no I'm not in > anyway trying to keep everything to myself that should be clear if you > take a look at the web page. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Trevor Rhodes <trevor@rhodes-online.net> > Date: Thursday, May 22, 2003 7:16 am > Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] > Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Other cemeteries on line > > > Ray & others, > > > > > Dear dear me, it makes me wonder if any of you ever look at the tag > > > lines at the bottom of the Cemetery pages, if you did so you > > would find > > > listings for cemeteries for every state in Australia. > > > > Sarcasm huh? I shall try to explain so that I don't get anymore of > > these > > messages from people who fail to understand what was quite simply > > an honest > > exchange between two members of this list. > > > > Ralph said he had started a project. All I did was to ask for > > clarification. > > Nothing wrong there unless you think that cemeteries are your > > exclusive > > domain. Do you really have links to 'every' online cemetery? Is > > there not > > room for others in our cemeteries? Why not encourage others, so > > that there > > is even more out there for researchers? > > > > You do a great job with this list and the website, though I can't > > see how you > > could possibly think that cemeteries are your exclusive domain. > > But > > seemingly you do or this conversation wouldn't be taking place. > > > > > Or are we wasting out time in the gathering of information and > > the time > > > it's taken in making it available to not only to folks in > > Australia but > > > to everyone no matter where they might be? > > > > It's this kind of immaturity that really gets me annoyed. There > > is absolutely > > no need to ask such a question when you damn well know the answer, > > but I'll > > answer just to be sure it gets through to you. > > > > "OF COURSE NOT RAY, YOU DO A GREAT AND NOBLE JOB. IT'S VERY > > COMMENDABLE THAT > > YOU USE YOUR OWN VALUABLE TIME AND RESOURCES TO HELP OTHERS. YOU > > DO A JOB > > THAT IS VERY NECESSARY FOR GENEALOGISTS WHO HAVE FEW RESOURCES AND > > LITTLE > > TIME TO GET OUT THERE THEMSELVES." > > > > That was _not_ sarcasm. That is exactly how I feel. The question > > though is > > something I'd expect from someone who is feeling threatened, which > > is totally > > unecessary. What were you expecting in an answer to that > > question? Did you > > think I would say 'Yes Ray, you are wasting your time. Nobody > > needs you, > > this list or access to anything to do with cemeteries.' Really, > > you amaze > > me. > > > > > Maybe it's because I wear Bifocals? Please tell me if I'm wrong? > > > > Ooooh, sarcasm again. I'm not impressed. Why do you ask such > > inane and > > totally unecessary questions? What is it you are trying to prove? > > > > > Your comments are welcome > > > > It seems not actually, or as I said earlier, this conversation > > wouldn't be > > happening. This is the second time I've been asked to explain > > myself, not > > only by the list admin, but on list as well. Last time it was > > another so > > called List Admin of yours, and when I spoke to you about, you > > couldn't even > > take the time to listen to my side of the story, but gave me > > 'they're an > > experienced List Admin and if they say it was like that then it > > was like > > that' and you wouldn't hear anymore. That attitude isn't very > > even handed. > > It smacks of an air of superiority. > > > > Quite honestly, I find this list to be very helpful and necessary, > > but if this > > is the kind of thinly veiled 'I'm the List Admin and you'll not > > tread on my > > toes' rubbish that people have to put up with, then I can do > > without it. > > > > I encourage others to take up the task of helping their fellow > > genealogists in > > gathering data and making it available. Especially in cemeteries > > and there > > is becoming a definite need for another 'outlet' if you will. At > > least then > > people will have a choice. > > > > Here's something to think about when I'm gone, which I will be by > > the time you > > get this as I have no further use for you or your policies. > > > > Why, when we are talking about the whole of Australia, are there > > so few people > > on this list? This list shoudl be so much larger. What could > > possibly keep > > them away? This is a list that should be necessary to all > > genealogists, > > after all, we al end up in cemeteries. Oh, and a little hint in > > case your > > superiority gets in the way of your understanding. No? Too > > subtle? Ok, > > that was the hint. Think about it, it may do some good. > > > > > Ray. > > > List Admin. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Reid <intohistory@optusnet.com.au> > > > Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:56 pm > > > Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] > > > Other cemeteries on line > > > > > > > >Could you clarify 'online access'? Do you mean we would be able > > > > > > > > to access > > > > the > > > > > > > > >data online or that we could contact the cemetery personell > > > > > > > > online to ask > > > > for > > > > > > > > >lookups? > > > > > > > > Hello Trevor, > > > > > > > > By 'online access' I mean that there is a capability of accessing > > > > the data > > > > online, usually by surname search. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Ralph Reid > > > > Sydney > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > > ================================================================== > > Cemetery Records on line:- > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~batman/ > > ================================================================== > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > ================================================================== > Anyone who wishes to make direct contact with Administrators > of this site may do so by Ray <batie@bigpond.net.au> > ================================================================== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >