Hi Elizabeth The grave owner is the person who purchased the grave initially and the ownership of the grave passes thru their estate. Most people don't realise that and think that the ownership dies with the owner. The owner can also be called the Grantee. It depends on the cemetery and the state as to how many people can be buried in a grave. The owners permission is required for every burial, or interment of ashes, so if the owner is dead, then the person/s who inherited the right of ownership must give permission. Charmaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eliz Cook" <Elizcook@ains.net.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 10:12 PM Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]Grave ownership > ===Hi > if a grave cemetery listing says > Grave owner > What does that mean? > In a case of my rels, there are several in the grave and one is listed as > the grave owner. > Does that mean that he purchased the plot and it belongs to his descendents? > Or thta he bought enough space for himself and once he is there that is > that..... > or? > Does the meaning vary at different cemetries? > Thanks > Elizabeth > =============================================================== > > Cemetery Records on line:- > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~batman/ > > ================================================================== > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > ================================================================== > Anyone who wishes to make direct contact with Administrators > of this site may do so by Ray <batie@bigpond.net.au> > ================================================================== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

so if the estate has been passed on if there is room for another person according to the current law can the next descendant be buried without further charges except for reopening? Is there a time limit after which it reverts to "the crown" I presume ashes can be scattered there and a plaque would be according to the current costs/laws of the cemetery trust? We looked at one of my ancestors graves last week and it was obvious that the stones were added to as people were added so a fairly plain box became a sort of castle but I was interested in the wording on the side "the family grave of......." Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charmaine Maher" <tcandr@ihug.com.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 11:00 PM Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]Grave ownership > Hi Elizabeth > > The grave owner is the person who purchased the grave initially and the > ownership of the grave passes thru their estate. Most people don't realise > that and think that the ownership dies with the owner. The owner can also > be called the Grantee. It depends on the cemetery and the state as to how > many people can be buried in a grave. The owners permission is required for > every burial, or interment of ashes, so if the owner is dead, then the > person/s who inherited the right of ownership must give permission. > > Charmaine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eliz Cook" <Elizcook@ains.net.au> > To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 10:12 PM > Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]Grave ownership > > > > ===Hi > > if a grave cemetery listing says > > Grave owner > > What does that mean? > > In a case of my rels, there are several in the grave and one is listed as > > the grave owner. > > Does that mean that he purchased the plot and it belongs to his > descendents? > > Or thta he bought enough space for himself and once he is there that is > > that..... > > or? > > Does the meaning vary at different cemetries? > > Thanks > > Elizabeth > > =============================================================== > > > Cemetery Records on line:- > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~batman/ > > > ================================================================== > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > > ================================================================== > > Anyone who wishes to make direct contact with Administrators > > of this site may do so by Ray <batie@bigpond.net.au> > > ================================================================== > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > ================================================================== > "Please "do not" post virus warnings to the list. > ================================================================== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Yes that's right, either the person who inherited it can be buried there or they can give permission for someone else to be buried. Yes there is a re-opening fee and this will vary from cemetery to cemetery. Depending on the state as to if and when it reverts back to the Crown. Currently in NSW it does not revert back, SA is different though. You are correct with the plaque costs. Ashes can be scattered anywhere or can be interred in the actual grave. Although a grave can only take, generally 2 or 3 burials, it can take many more ashes. Some families do purchase graves with the intention of many being buried and interred there. I have seen several with over 6 names on the headstones. Charmaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eliz Cook" <Elizcook@ains.net.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 12:00 AM Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]Grave ownership > so if the estate has been passed on > if there is room for another person according to the current law > can the next descendant be buried without further charges except for > reopening? > Is there a time limit after which it reverts to "the crown" > I presume ashes can be scattered there > and a plaque would be according to the current costs/laws of the cemetery > trust? > We looked at one of my ancestors graves last week > and it was obvious that the stones were added to as people were added so a > fairly plain box became a sort of castle > but I was interested in the wording on the side > "the family grave of......." > Elizabeth > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charmaine Maher" <tcandr@ihug.com.au> > To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 11:00 PM > Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]Grave ownership > > > > Hi Elizabeth > > > > The grave owner is the person who purchased the grave initially and the > > ownership of the grave passes thru their estate. Most people don't > realise > > that and think that the ownership dies with the owner. The owner can also > > be called the Grantee. It depends on the cemetery and the state as to how > > many people can be buried in a grave. The owners permission is required > for > > every burial, or interment of ashes, so if the owner is dead, then the > > person/s who inherited the right of ownership must give permission. > > > > Charmaine > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Eliz Cook" <Elizcook@ains.net.au> > > To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 10:12 PM > > Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]Grave ownership > > > > > > > ===Hi > > > if a grave cemetery listing says > > > Grave owner > > > What does that mean? > > > In a case of my rels, there are several in the grave and one is listed > as > > > the grave owner. > > > Does that mean that he purchased the plot and it belongs to his > > descendents? > > > Or thta he bought enough space for himself and once he is there that is > > > that..... > > > or? > > > Does the meaning vary at different cemetries? > > > Thanks > > > Elizabeth > > > =============================================================== > > > > Cemetery Records on line:- > > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~batman/ > > > > ================================================================== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > > > ================================================================== > > > Anyone who wishes to make direct contact with Administrators > > > of this site may do so by Ray <batie@bigpond.net.au> > > > ================================================================== > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > > ================================================================== > > "Please "do not" post virus warnings to the list. > > ================================================================== > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > ================================================================== > "Please "do not" post virus warnings to the list. > ================================================================== > Hey have you updated your AntiVirus program lately ? ? > Is your AV continuously activated while online ? ? > Does your AV continue to check each and every email as it is down loaded ? ? > Does your AV continue to check every Website you inter into ? ? > Better to be safe than sorry . . . let HouseCall check out your system FREE ! > http://housecall.antivirus.com/. > other sites you might want to check out . . . > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~clifflamere/Aid/AID-VirusProtect.ht m > -this one mentioned in Missing Links Vol. 5 No. 44 http://antivirus.cai.com/ > - this one was mentioned on the Listowner List > http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_index.cfm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

At Toowong Cemetery in Brisbane, they only allow two bodies in most [not all] graves. We had understood that this meant that my Mum's wish to buried with them was impossible. I've since spoken to the Sexton, who said that we can inter the ashes of as many people as we like there, just no more bodies. He also told me that unless it's specified otherwise in a will, ownership generally goes to the eldest living child, and it's their permission that should be sought. So , that would be Mum now [she's still with us], and me when she passes away. My question is that, since she is the current 'owner', why would they need *my* permission to inter *her* ashes there? Donny [Dianne] http://au.geocities.com/donnyfay/ Henry Descendants http://au.geocities.com/diannefay/ Fensom Descendants

Re Burial of Ashes. My father died and was cremated. His next of kin, my mother, had to sign for his ashes. When she died a few years later, I had to sign for them, but my daughter wanted them to put them with her grandfather buried in the back yard of her house. She was given the house when mum died, her siblings got not even a, 'i wish them well', sentence.. So she wanted her grandfather AND her grandmother both put into the garden in the back yard, together. That was what he wanted and I had no objection at the time. Was not thinking straight really. Was it what mum wanted? Probably. My daughter went to get the ashes box but the people would not give it to her, she was not the next of kin, only a beneficiary under the will. So I had to go down to Brisbane, even after faxing them to say she could collect the box, they would not accept that as permission. I got the box, duly signed for it, and gave it to her, thinking she would add mum to dad in the back yard. (Never do this, people, NEVER!) Well, did she. No. Mum is still in the cupboard (or where ever) with my daughter. She has rented out the house for the last couple of years, and now has it on the market. So, what do I do. Do I dig up dad, and place him in some last resting place at the local cemetery, spread him around, put a plaque on the nearest rock saying the ashes of so an so were put to rest here, and the date. Do I leave him there, so that some stranger digs him up one day and shrieks in fright. Do I get mum's ashes from my daughter and put her with dad, and forget all about them both, and hope nobody digs them up later. I didn't mind that my father was in the back yard when my daughter was living in the house, but she has been gone for a year or more now, and I think that was why she had not got round to putting mum with dad. She was not sure what to do, knowing she was not going to live there for long...dunno. Do I dig dad up, take 'my' ashes from my daughter (and this may not be able to be done pleasantly) as I own my mother's box, not her, and take both of them to the local cemetery and do the spreading bit and put a plaque on some rock saying the ashes were laid of both parents, this date, blah blah. I feel a bit lost on Christmas and Father's Day that I cannot go anywhere, let alone to a complete stranger's house and say, hello, can i put some flowers on my father's grave in your backyard? If I leave him there, I will not feel comfortable about it. The next of kin should be able to decide on the disposal of the ashes. If I decide to put dad and mum in the local cemetery, and they said it was ok, just that it was not official and would not be 'recorded', but I can put a notice in the local paper saying the ashes were spread this date of so and so, so it is as official as it can be. The cemetery is closed to burials now. I would feel more comfortable with this if I can get some support from the list about this decision. Sorry to do this, but I am an only child and have no one else to ask. Daughter does not know of this option at this stage. robyndehood. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donny [Dianne]" <donfay11@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 2:22 PM Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] RE: Grave ownership > At Toowong Cemetery in Brisbane, they only allow two bodies in most [not > all] graves. We had understood that this meant that my Mum's wish to buried > with them was impossible. > > I've since spoken to the Sexton, who said that we can inter the ashes of as > many people as we like there, just no more bodies. He also told me that > unless it's specified otherwise in a will, ownership generally goes to the > eldest living child, and it's their permission that should be sought. > > So , that would be Mum now [she's still with us], and me when she passes > away. > > My question is that, since she is the current 'owner', why would they need > *my* permission to inter *her* ashes there? > > > > Donny [Dianne] > > http://au.geocities.com/donnyfay/ Henry Descendants > http://au.geocities.com/diannefay/ Fensom Descendants > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > ================================================================== > "Please "do not" post virus warnings to the list. > ================================================================== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Another saga from Toowong cemetery. My old Uncle died recently and he was to be buried with his brother, next to their parents. All was fine until the early morning before the ceremony when the funeral people rang and said they cannot bury him there as it is on the side of a hill and they could not get the digger into the spot. I said can't you dig it by hand and they said no, not allowed. Sore backs?? So I said now if a fine time to tell me, what do we do now. He is a catholic and wants to be buried in the catholic section, near family, blah blah, sob, sniffle. They must have felt bad, they originally wanted us to get a new grave but I told them we didn't have enough money for that, he was an old soldier, etc. so they offered to give him a new grave, admittedly right at the bottom of the hill, poor Uncle, for the same price as the digging up of the old one, quite a large discount, and so they should. robyndehood ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donny [Dianne]" <donfay11@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 2:22 PM Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] RE: Grave ownership > At Toowong Cemetery in Brisbane, they only allow two bodies in most [not > all] graves. We had understood that this meant that my Mum's wish to buried > with them was impossible. > > I've since spoken to the Sexton, who said that we can inter the ashes of as > many people as we like there, just no more bodies. He also told me that > unless it's specified otherwise in a will, ownership generally goes to the > eldest living child, and it's their permission that should be sought. > > So , that would be Mum now [she's still with us], and me when she passes > away. > > My question is that, since she is the current 'owner', why would they need > *my* permission to inter *her* ashes there? > > > > Donny [Dianne] > > http://au.geocities.com/donnyfay/ Henry Descendants > http://au.geocities.com/diannefay/ Fensom Descendants > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > ================================================================== > "Please "do not" post virus warnings to the list. > ================================================================== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >