I have the Melbourne Gen disc (I offered to do look ups once), and I just checked, no Grundman's at Melbourne Gen either. This is SO not the easiest family to reaserch, I thought with a name like grundman, Lol..am off to check the Census records, they might tell me where the family lived. Regards,           Miss Jo Kotylak, Melbourne Australia [email protected] Whoever said seek and ye shall find WAs NOT a genealogist