Agree wholy Garry there is sometimes no rhyme or reason for some record keeping, as I found while doing the local cemetery here. There was no book for the first few years and we believe that this was all filled out a couple of years down the track as there is a gap in pages and the first records, the writing consistant. Then there was no sec for a couple of years so burial filled out willy nilly, then there was the lazy secretery, his records consistantly odd, then matching them to BDMs found some other problems. The Headstones are not always correct either, with families putting stones up much later and thinking they know the date. Very good argument for checking all sources which are becoming more and more available with newspaper death notices (more of a modern thing with the occasional 19th century ones) and wills. A good genie should make a good detective! Carmel -----Original Message----- From: australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Garry Batt Sent: Tuesday, 9 November, 2010 1:20 AM To: australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] Death reg'n entry Hi Carmel, Just a comment on Cemetery Trust records. Someone once asked me why I would record the memorials of a cemetery that had it's trust records on-line. The answer is that they are different types of records. Until 2005 there was no set standard for Cemetery Trust record keeping. These standards appear ambiguous and are usually ignored, that's if the secretary is aware of them Most trust records I've seen depend on the mood of the trust secretary at any given time and vary over the years with the changes of secretarys. It's quite common for trusts to use their "Bookings" or "Invoice" books as their records. In one cemetery I had a group of plaques all around 20 years out of sync with the dates the trust gave me. When I asked it turned out that they all got kicked out of Springvale for not paying their rent and the date given was when they were booked into their new cemetery. I queried another one who died in 1912 but was listed as 2002 and was told that that was when the memorial was paid for. I often see cemetery records that are a mixture of trust, memorials and the BDM's and wonder how they can mix three different types of records. It just doesn't work. Yours, Garry Batt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carmel M Reynen" <fcfibre2@bigpond.com> To: <australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] Death reg'n entry > Depends on the Registra at the time, was there an inquest for this person? > The place is not always accurate anyway. For example a birth may > registered > in one place when it took place a long way from there, My grandmother was > living in Arthurs Creek and births were often registered around Fitzroy or > Collingwood as that is where family lived and the child would be > registered > when they went to visit. > Also registration years can differ. I found one registered in 1918 when > he > had been born in the late 1800s. He needed to go overseas and found he did > not have a birth registration. If however you are looking for children of > a > couple and find this you would wonder why there is a big age difference > between children. I also, while transcribing a cemetery record book, found > a > whole group of people registered a few years after their deaths, we could > not work out why these people were buried before they died. Our guess is > that there was a bunch of death records found and had been forgotten to be > sent to the BDMs record office. > It could also be these were not filled in properly at the time and so BDM > have just put it as victoria. > > Carmel > > -----Original Message----- > From: australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ironside > Sent: Monday, 8 November, 2010 4:39 PM > To: australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] Death reg'n entry > > (My apology if this message turns up twice but the original was not > received > by myself) > > I have been given the following entry by a kind reader, but it raises the > question, why would both the place of death and the Registration Place > both > be shown as "Victoria" and not as a town or city? > > Name: James TODD > Death Place: Victoria > Age: 53 > Registration Year: 1879 > Registration Place: Victoria > Registration Number: 8712 > > Of course not having parents names shown will mean I cannot claim him but > the question remains, why only "Victoria". > > Your thoughts please kind readers. > > Paul in Sydney > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message