Hi Kym, It is surprisingly hard to read something all in capitals, it would actually be easier to read if you didn't bother with the first capital letter if that suits your typing better and just write the lot in lower case. Jean -----Original Message----- From: kym Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 2:27 PM To: kraymond@iprimus.com.au ; australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] Copyright violations (Was:AustCemeteries Index Website) HI KERRY AND TO OTHERS ON THE LIST. FIRSTLY, I SHOULD POINT OUT THAT MY ORIGINAL EMAIL WAS MEANT ONLY FOR RAYMOND HENDERSON. IT WAS AN ERROR ON MY PART THAT IT WAS SENT TO THE LIST INSTEAD OF HIS PERSONAL EMAIL. I APOLOGISE FOR THIS. AS MENTIONED THE ONLY PHOTOS FROM MY OWN SITE THAT WERE USED, WERE DONATED PHOTOS AND ONLY A COUPLE. NONE OF MY PERSONAL PHOTOS WERE COPIED AND CLAIMED AS HIS. THE ISSUE HERE AND THE REASON FOR MY EMAIL TO RAYMOND WAS TO LET HIM KNOW THAT THIS MAN HAS COPIED QUITE A NUMBER OF PHOTOS FROM RAYMONDS OWN WEB SITE. FULL CEMETERIES IN FACT AND PHOTOS THAT WERE DONATED TO RAYMOND FROM HIS CONTACTS. NOW, IF HE DOES NOT WISH TO PURSUE THIS ISSUE THEN THAT IS HIS CHOICE. I CHOSE NOT TO CONTACT THIS INDIVIDUAL MYSELF BECAUSE I DID NOT THINK THAT IT WOULD MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE TO HIM, IN LIGHT OF HIS EMAIL TO MY FRIEND. HAD HE REQUESTED TO USE THE COUPLE OF CHURCH PHOTOS FROM MY SITE FOR THIS OTHER WEBSITE, I WOULD HAVE SAID YES AS LONG AS THE RIGHT PERSON GOT CREDIT FOR TAKING THEM AND I WOULD HAVE CONTACTED MY FRIENDS TO LET THEM KNOW I HAD DONE THAT SO THERE WOULD BE NO MISUNDERSTANDING. ANYONE REQUESTING ANY PHOTOS FROM MY FILES CAN USE THE PHOTOS AS THEY LIKE FOR THEIR FAMILY TREES ETC. I DO NOT ASK THAT I AM ACCREDITED FOR TAKING THE PHOTOS WHEN I SUPPLY REQUESTED HEADSTONES OR ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS DONATED PHOTOS TO MY SITE BECAUSE THEIR NAME IS LISTED ALREADY ON THE WEB PAGE FOR HAVING DONATED THEM. KYM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Raymond" <kraymond@iprimus.com.au> To: <australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] Copyright violations (Was: AustCemeteries Index Website) > > As someone with a lot of cemetery photos on the WWW, can I suggest this as > the following course of action. > > First step. Be clear in your mind what you actually want. Are you upset > that > the photos are on this other WWW site? Or are you upset because the guy > didn't ask you first? If he had asked you first, would you have said Yes? > So, what do you want? That he asks you in future? That he removes the > photos? In communicating, it is important to be clear about exactly what > you > are asking for. Just communicating that you are upset about the situation > isn't helpful. > > Second step. Communicate what you want. > > Many people don't stop and think about issues like ownership and copyright > on the WWW. Especially in hobbies like family history where people often > do > provide the data for other people to use and re-use as they will. So, the > first thing to do is to contact this guy and point out nicely (WITHOUT > UPPER > CASE SHOUTING) that he has put your photos on this site without asking you > and will he please do [whatever it is that you want him to do]. Very > likely > he is a reasonable person and will cooperate with you, and you will have > educated him into the bargain about what to do in future. Note if you > contact him in an aggressive way, you are much more likely to "get his > back > up" and he is much less likely to cooperate. That's human nature. > > Third step. Escalate. > > If he does not respond in a reasonable time (give him a few days, not > everyone reads email or checks comments on Web sites every day) or he > refuses your reasonable request, then you should escalate your issue to > FindAGrave (in this case or the ISP or site administrator as appropriate). > Again, DON'T YELL. Just tell the facts politely: your photos are on the > site, you didn't give your permission, please remove them. The FAQ > suggests > that they are not tolerant of this kind of behaviour and will probably > assist you. Note using more neutral language like "issue" rather than more > stronger terms like "complaint" is again a way to increase the likelihood > that they will help. > > I agree with you that you should confine your comments to the photos that > you took yourself, as they are the only ones that you can say with total > confidence are there without permission (even though you may suspect it is > the case with other photos). > > Kerry > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message