Ray , Then I take it that you will as of now answer all those long ones in capitals. All yours. Freda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Henderson" <raymondhenderson2010@gmail.com> To: <australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] Copyright violations (Was:AustCemeteriesIndex Website) >O come on dose it really matter as long as the message is understood > > Regards, > Raymond Henderson. > > On 01/03/2011, at 4:09 PM, "jean & terry" <tjmspence@bigpond.com> wrote: > >> Hi Kym, It is surprisingly hard to read something all in capitals, it >> would >> actually be easier to read if you didn't bother with the first capital >> letter if that suits your typing better and just write the lot in lower >> case. Jean >> -----Original Message----- >> From: kym >> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 2:27 PM >> To: kraymond@iprimus.com.au ; australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] Copyright violations >> (Was:AustCemeteries >> Index Website) >> >> HI KERRY AND TO OTHERS ON THE LIST. >> FIRSTLY, I SHOULD POINT OUT THAT MY ORIGINAL EMAIL WAS MEANT ONLY FOR >> RAYMOND HENDERSON. IT WAS AN ERROR ON MY PART THAT IT WAS SENT TO THE >> LIST >> INSTEAD OF HIS PERSONAL EMAIL. I APOLOGISE FOR THIS. >> AS MENTIONED THE ONLY PHOTOS FROM MY OWN SITE THAT WERE USED, WERE >> DONATED >> PHOTOS AND ONLY A COUPLE. >> NONE OF MY PERSONAL PHOTOS WERE COPIED AND CLAIMED AS HIS. >> THE ISSUE HERE AND THE REASON FOR MY EMAIL TO RAYMOND WAS TO LET HIM KNOW >> THAT THIS MAN HAS COPIED QUITE A NUMBER OF PHOTOS FROM RAYMONDS OWN WEB >> SITE. FULL CEMETERIES IN FACT AND PHOTOS THAT WERE DONATED TO RAYMOND >> FROM >> HIS CONTACTS. >> NOW, IF HE DOES NOT WISH TO PURSUE THIS ISSUE THEN THAT IS HIS CHOICE. I >> CHOSE NOT TO CONTACT THIS INDIVIDUAL MYSELF BECAUSE I DID NOT THINK THAT >> IT >> WOULD MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE TO HIM, IN LIGHT OF HIS EMAIL TO MY FRIEND. >> HAD HE REQUESTED TO USE THE COUPLE OF CHURCH PHOTOS FROM MY SITE FOR THIS >> OTHER WEBSITE, I WOULD HAVE SAID YES AS LONG AS THE RIGHT PERSON GOT >> CREDIT >> FOR TAKING THEM AND I WOULD HAVE CONTACTED MY FRIENDS TO LET THEM KNOW I >> HAD >> DONE THAT SO THERE WOULD BE NO MISUNDERSTANDING. ANYONE REQUESTING ANY >> PHOTOS FROM MY FILES CAN USE THE PHOTOS AS THEY LIKE FOR THEIR FAMILY >> TREES >> ETC. >> I DO NOT ASK THAT I AM ACCREDITED FOR TAKING THE PHOTOS WHEN I SUPPLY >> REQUESTED HEADSTONES >> OR ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS DONATED PHOTOS TO MY SITE BECAUSE THEIR NAME IS >> LISTED ALREADY ON THE WEB PAGE FOR HAVING DONATED THEM. >> KYM >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kerry Raymond" <kraymond@iprimus.com.au> >> To: <australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 1:20 PM >> Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] Copyright violations (Was: >> AustCemeteries Index Website) >> >> >>> >>> As someone with a lot of cemetery photos on the WWW, can I suggest this >>> as >>> the following course of action. >>> >>> First step. Be clear in your mind what you actually want. Are you upset >>> that >>> the photos are on this other WWW site? Or are you upset because the guy >>> didn't ask you first? If he had asked you first, would you have said >>> Yes? >>> So, what do you want? That he asks you in future? That he removes the >>> photos? In communicating, it is important to be clear about exactly what >>> you >>> are asking for. Just communicating that you are upset about the >>> situation >>> isn't helpful. >>> >>> Second step. Communicate what you want. >>> >>> Many people don't stop and think about issues like ownership and >>> copyright >>> on the WWW. Especially in hobbies like family history where people often >>> do >>> provide the data for other people to use and re-use as they will. So, >>> the >>> first thing to do is to contact this guy and point out nicely (WITHOUT >>> UPPER >>> CASE SHOUTING) that he has put your photos on this site without asking >>> you >>> and will he please do [whatever it is that you want him to do]. Very >>> likely >>> he is a reasonable person and will cooperate with you, and you will have >>> educated him into the bargain about what to do in future. Note if you >>> contact him in an aggressive way, you are much more likely to "get his >>> back >>> up" and he is much less likely to cooperate. That's human nature. >>> >>> Third step. Escalate. >>> >>> If he does not respond in a reasonable time (give him a few days, not >>> everyone reads email or checks comments on Web sites every day) or he >>> refuses your reasonable request, then you should escalate your issue to >>> FindAGrave (in this case or the ISP or site administrator as >>> appropriate). >>> Again, DON'T YELL. Just tell the facts politely: your photos are on the >>> site, you didn't give your permission, please remove them. The FAQ >>> suggests >>> that they are not tolerant of this kind of behaviour and will probably >>> assist you. Note using more neutral language like "issue" rather than >>> more >>> stronger terms like "complaint" is again a way to increase the >>> likelihood >>> that they will help. >>> >>> I agree with you that you should confine your comments to the photos >>> that >>> you took yourself, as they are the only ones that you can say with total >>> confidence are there without permission (even though you may suspect it >>> is >>> the case with other photos). >>> >>> Kerry >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >