Thanks for all the hints I reduced the size from 100% to 75% and I can read it all, so thanks for that - oh and the person who did the database responded in hours, saying he'd tweeked it and would I let him know if it worked (didn't), but gee, that's service, isn't it! Cheers Jo.

Hi Jo, another way is to increase your screen resolution. Probably the quickest way is to go to "View" on the menu bar across the top of the screen, click on "Style" and then click on "No Style." Tell me if you still have a problem. Just another web developer that thinks that everyone has the latest and greatest. Yours, Garry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "joko" <joko@tadaust.org.au> To: "Aus Cem" <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:40 AM Subject: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] Fromelle's Dead database >I went to www.fromelles.net and found that I can not see all of the >database > of names, the surnames list is obscured, and there is no bar at the bottom > of the screen to move the info across to see the surnames - has anyone > else > had that problem? Kind Regards Jo. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jo Trying to reduce the size from100% to 75% resulation John -----Original Message----- From: australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of joko Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2010 8:40 AM To: Aus Cem Subject: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] Fromelle's Dead database I went to www.fromelles.net and found that I can not see all of the database of names, the surnames list is obscured, and there is no bar at the bottom of the screen to move the info across to see the surnames - has anyone else had that problem? Kind Regards Jo. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I went to www.fromelles.net and found that I can not see all of the database of names, the surnames list is obscured, and there is no bar at the bottom of the screen to move the info across to see the surnames - has anyone else had that problem? Kind Regards Jo.

Hi Anne, Samuel Gaylard is on the AIGS Cemetery Database - died 25/12/1895 and buried Maryborough. This is an index only so can't tell you what is on the headstone but does confirm he is buried there cheers Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: australia-cemeteries-request@rootsweb.com To: australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 5:01 PM Subject: AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Digest, Vol 5, Issue 177 ------------------------------- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:31:33 +1000 From: "Anne Hanson" <annehanson1@bigpond.com> Subject: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] Burials & Headstones Transcriptions Maryborough (Vic) Cemetery 1874-1963 To: "Australia-Cemeteries" <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000601cb5935$1bb7cc00$53276400$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Afternoon All, Just wondering if anyone has access to burial/headstone information for Maryborough (Vic) Cemetery - am looking for Samuel Gaylard. Died 25 Dec 1895. Many thanks. Anne ------------------------------ To contact the AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES list administrator, send an email to AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES mailing list, send an email to AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Digest, Vol 5, Issue 177 ****************************************************

Sorry no Gaylards at all in the Burial Index and Headstone inscriptions or the list of those who died at Marysville on the same disc. Good Luck with your search, Jo.

Afternoon All, Just wondering if anyone has access to burial/headstone information for Maryborough (Vic) Cemetery - am looking for Samuel Gaylard. Died 25 Dec 1895. Many thanks. Anne

It was your lucky day, I'm on holidays, and Fawkner isn't far. Regards Bernadette Salter -----Original Message----- From: australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jackie Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 5:51 PM To: australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] Fawkner Cemetery Thank you to Bernadette for the photos. I was very surprised to receive them so quickly. I hope you didn't go out of your way to obtain them for me. I've learnt to be patient with family tree research. Thank you again. Jackie in QLD ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you to Bernadette for the photos. I was very surprised to receive them so quickly. I hope you didn't go out of your way to obtain them for me. I've learnt to be patient with family tree research. Thank you again. Jackie in QLD

Will do. Regards Bernadette Salter -----Original Message----- From: australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jackie Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 8:50 AM To: australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] Fawkner Cemetery If at any stage there is someone going to Faulkner Cemetery, I would appreciate it if I could get a digital photo of a headstone (if there is one)....or any other information. Ethel Lillian HOOPER b. abt. Feb 1923 d. 30 May 1923 bur. CofE, Compartment L. Grave 2183 In the same grave is her father: Edward HOOPER (my Grandfather) d. 16 Aug 1969 and her sister: Evelyn Mary FULLER d. 7 Sep 2009 There was no headstone prior to Auntie Eve dying. There might be one now. Thank you Jackie Q ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If at any stage there is someone going to Faulkner Cemetery, I would appreciate it if I could get a digital photo of a headstone (if there is one)....or any other information. Ethel Lillian HOOPER b. abt. Feb 1923 d. 30 May 1923 bur. CofE, Compartment L. Grave 2183 In the same grave is her father: Edward HOOPER (my Grandfather) d. 16 Aug 1969 and her sister: Evelyn Mary FULLER d. 7 Sep 2009 There was no headstone prior to Auntie Eve dying. There might be one now. Thank you Jackie Q

After attending a Seminar where a representative of The Registry spoke it is looking as though a CD/DVD will not be produced but available on the internet for a fee, there is still no release date but they say it is getting closer Jan Parker -----Original Message----- From: australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of D Weatherill Sent: Sunday, 19 September 2010 5:28 PM To: australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] VICTORIAN BDM INDEXES Hi Gary and Folks; I should have said the Burial Index being compiled by the Victorian BDM, not Death Index. I believe they are up to the late 1950s with their data entry. I only wish that they had produced it in two groups. Up to 1920, then 1921-1985 instead of waiting for just one index. It has been going for over many years now being compiled. The index is being compiled by a list of volunteers at the Victorian BDM offices using the actual death certificates. The final product will come out from the Victorian Registry. I believe they are also looking at including maps and histories of the cemeteries. One of the areas of "problem" is the locational index, ie when you type in a cemetery by a name it will bring up all burials for all names the cemeteries used. ie Preston Cemetery was originally McLeans, then Darebin Creek, then Strathallan, then Preston cemetery. If you used Preston Cemetery for a search term, all would appear. They were still working on this. The biggest single group for the index is "Unknown" for the place of burial. Many early death certificates did not include date and place of burial on the certificate. Originally the burial index project was set up using volunteers from the AIGS and GSV to put together burial list for both Cemetery Trusts who had lost their burial records and for family history researchers. The project started just before I became President of the GSV and Don Grant was president of AIGS. Been going for a looonnnnnggggg time now. The registry is in charge of it and it has a public servant at the Registry responsible for it. It was Ann Fullerton but there will be a replacement for her. When will it finish!!!, I do not know but I believe it will come out on a DVD or perhaps two. There is no website re its progress although the Registry does write a column for the quarterly magazines of the GSV and AAIGS noting the stage it is at. Yes Gary, you do detect some despair on my behalf. I was hoping to see the first part out years ago. Both Don and I got volunteers involved at the Registry in the hope it would come out quickly to meet the needs of people. Hope this picks up your questions. Cheers, David -----Original Message----- From: australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Garry Batt Sent: Sunday, 19 September 2010 2:09 PM To: australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] VICTORIAN BDM INDEXES Hi David, as usual you e-mails provide interesting information. I am curious about what you call the "Death Index Database"? My understanding is that there is a group of people that are going through the death certificates and adding the cemetery of burial information to a database of Victorian deaths. I remember asking you about this once before and you said they were up to the 1920's with it and that you once were part of the group. I am curious. Who is actually doing it ? Is it the Register General, some Society or just a group of genealogists ? Who is in charge ? How many people are working on it ? What are they actually doing ? What information are they adding to the records ? Are they doing it for genealogists or the Registery ? How far have they got with it ? What are they going to do with it when they finish it ? Will they finish it in any of our life times ? Have they got a web site where we can see what they are up to ? Do I detect a note of despair about this in your e-mail ? "Still, when and if, the Death Index Database comes out in Victoria it will give a place of burial for the person." Yours, Garry Batt. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3144 - Release Date: 09/19/10 04:34:00

Hi Garry I believe there are a couple of projects on the go at Vic BDM's. There is the updated data base which I believe has a number of corrections as well as previously missed entries etc. Often people are buried a long way from where they died, being for various reasons. When working on cemetery records I am often surprised to find someone buried in a small cemetery when they died so far away, but find that there is possibly room in the grave and possibly a shortage of money saved on a plot. There is also a church record project going on. These are records more recently retrieved from churches that had not sent in their records. I am hoping my ancestors wedding will turn up on this on! We just all need to be patient, my belief is the longer it takes the more accurate it will be.At least we know it is coming. Don't worry David, chin up, it is still coming even if it will be one big data base. I know we will be grateful to all those volunteers for the long tedious hours this has taken. Carmel -----Original Message----- From: australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Garry Batt Sent: Sunday, 19 September, 2010 7:45 PM To: australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] VICTORIAN BDM INDEXES Hi Dave, thanks for your prompt and informative reply. I was imagining something a bit different for genealogists. Like all the deaths from the Indexes which they already have in a database and adding the name of the cemetery listed on the death cerificate. Then a simple index cross referenced with all the names used by the different cemeterys and roughly the periods each name was used. I don't particularly want to know everybody buried in a particular cemetery, just if the ones that I'm interested in are buried there. I can go to the trust records for a list of people buried in any given cemetery. OK, I realise trust records aren't always complete or even existant. I'm working on a descendant tree and have dozens of people that I would like to know where they are buried. They aren't buried in any of the local cemeterys near where their deaths are registered. I've got all the details from the BDM's on line (NSW are free to view) but no burial details unless I want to pay a small fortune for certificates. In NSW there are a few people that provide details off the certificates at a reasonable cost. It's all pay as you go here in Victoria. I'd of imagined that the burial of an unknown person wouldn't be of much value to a genealogist. When I publish a cemetery record I tend to leave out unknown persons or unmarked graves as being of no value to genealogists. A commom question on this forum is "in which cemetery would this person be buried in?" I'm looking at this from a genealogists view. I realise the benefit of re-creating lost trust records. I suppose all we can do is wait and see. I suppose I shouldn't comment until I see a sample but I may not live that long. I was talking to a person from the health dept. and asked him if they had a copy of all the cemetery trust records. He said that they didn't but he liked the idea. Anyway, thanks again for all your information. I always like reading your posts. Maybe someone else can tell us a bit more about how they are going. Yours, Garry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "D Weatherill" <djweath@bigpond.net.au> To: <australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] VICTORIAN BDM INDEXES > Hi Gary and Folks; > > I should have said the Burial Index being compiled by the Victorian BDM, > not > Death Index. I believe they are up to the late 1950s with their data > entry. > I only wish that they had produced it in two groups. Up to 1920, then > 1921-1985 instead of waiting for just one index. It has been going for > over > many years now being compiled. > > The index is being compiled by a list of volunteers at the Victorian BDM > offices using the actual death certificates. The final product will come > out > from the Victorian Registry. I believe they are also looking at including > maps and histories of the cemeteries. One of the areas of "problem" is the > locational index, ie when you type in a cemetery by a name it will bring > up > all burials for all names the cemeteries used. ie Preston Cemetery was > originally McLeans, then Darebin Creek, then Strathallan, then Preston > cemetery. If you used Preston Cemetery for a search term, all would > appear. > They were still working on this. The biggest single group for the index is > "Unknown" for the place of burial. Many early death certificates did not > include date and place of burial on the certificate. > > Originally the burial index project was set up using volunteers from the > AIGS and GSV to put together burial list for both Cemetery Trusts who had > lost their burial records and for family history researchers. The project > started just before I became President of the GSV and Don Grant was > president of AIGS. Been going for a looonnnnnggggg time now. The registry > is > in charge of it and it has a public servant at the Registry responsible > for > it. It was Ann Fullerton but there will be a replacement for her. When > will > it finish!!!, I do not know but I believe it will come out on a DVD or > perhaps two. There is no website re its progress although the Registry > does > write a column for the quarterly magazines of the GSV and AAIGS noting the > stage it is at. > > Yes Gary, you do detect some despair on my behalf. I was hoping to see the > first part out years ago. Both Don and I got volunteers involved at the > Registry in the hope it would come out quickly to meet the needs of > people. > > Hope this picks up your questions. > > Cheers, > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Garry Batt > Sent: Sunday, 19 September 2010 2:09 PM > To: australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] VICTORIAN BDM INDEXES > > Hi David, > as usual you e-mails provide interesting information. > > I am curious about what you call the "Death Index Database"? > > My understanding is that there is a group of people that are going through > the death certificates and adding the cemetery of burial information to a > database of Victorian deaths. > I remember asking you about this once before and you said they were up to > the 1920's with it and that you once were part of the group. > > I am curious. > Who is actually doing it ? Is it the Register General, some Society or > just > a group of genealogists ? Who is in charge ? How many people are working > on > it ? What are they actually doing ? What information are they adding to > the > records ? Are they doing it for genealogists or the Registery ? How far > have > > they got with it ? What are they going to do with it when they finish it ? > Will they finish it in any of our life times ? > Have they got a web site where we can see what they are up to ? > > Do I detect a note of despair about this in your e-mail ? > "Still, when and if, the Death Index Database comes out in Victoria it > will > give a place of burial for the person." > > Yours, > Garry Batt. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good explanation David I did have someone write a family History (from England) and because the children were registered Fitroy or Collingwood, the person believed they had moved from one place to another. Of course this was not the case but rather where they went to register the child. I know my Grandmother was born in arthurs creek but because they had family in Clifton Hill some of the children were registered there as it was convenient to do this while visitin the family. It is also the fact that many people died in Parkville, etc, these being hospital areas. I will often say to people this is where the event was registered but not necessarily where they lived or were born at the time of the event. Carmel

Hi Dave, thanks for your prompt and informative reply. I was imagining something a bit different for genealogists. Like all the deaths from the Indexes which they already have in a database and adding the name of the cemetery listed on the death cerificate. Then a simple index cross referenced with all the names used by the different cemeterys and roughly the periods each name was used. I don't particularly want to know everybody buried in a particular cemetery, just if the ones that I'm interested in are buried there. I can go to the trust records for a list of people buried in any given cemetery. OK, I realise trust records aren't always complete or even existant. I'm working on a descendant tree and have dozens of people that I would like to know where they are buried. They aren't buried in any of the local cemeterys near where their deaths are registered. I've got all the details from the BDM's on line (NSW are free to view) but no burial details unless I want to pay a small fortune for certificates. In NSW there are a few people that provide details off the certificates at a reasonable cost. It's all pay as you go here in Victoria. I'd of imagined that the burial of an unknown person wouldn't be of much value to a genealogist. When I publish a cemetery record I tend to leave out unknown persons or unmarked graves as being of no value to genealogists. A commom question on this forum is "in which cemetery would this person be buried in?" I'm looking at this from a genealogists view. I realise the benefit of re-creating lost trust records. I suppose all we can do is wait and see. I suppose I shouldn't comment until I see a sample but I may not live that long. I was talking to a person from the health dept. and asked him if they had a copy of all the cemetery trust records. He said that they didn't but he liked the idea. Anyway, thanks again for all your information. I always like reading your posts. Maybe someone else can tell us a bit more about how they are going. Yours, Garry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "D Weatherill" <djweath@bigpond.net.au> To: <australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] VICTORIAN BDM INDEXES > Hi Gary and Folks; > > I should have said the Burial Index being compiled by the Victorian BDM, > not > Death Index. I believe they are up to the late 1950s with their data > entry. > I only wish that they had produced it in two groups. Up to 1920, then > 1921-1985 instead of waiting for just one index. It has been going for > over > many years now being compiled. > > The index is being compiled by a list of volunteers at the Victorian BDM > offices using the actual death certificates. The final product will come > out > from the Victorian Registry. I believe they are also looking at including > maps and histories of the cemeteries. One of the areas of "problem" is the > locational index, ie when you type in a cemetery by a name it will bring > up > all burials for all names the cemeteries used. ie Preston Cemetery was > originally McLeans, then Darebin Creek, then Strathallan, then Preston > cemetery. If you used Preston Cemetery for a search term, all would > appear. > They were still working on this. The biggest single group for the index is > "Unknown" for the place of burial. Many early death certificates did not > include date and place of burial on the certificate. > > Originally the burial index project was set up using volunteers from the > AIGS and GSV to put together burial list for both Cemetery Trusts who had > lost their burial records and for family history researchers. The project > started just before I became President of the GSV and Don Grant was > president of AIGS. Been going for a looonnnnnggggg time now. The registry > is > in charge of it and it has a public servant at the Registry responsible > for > it. It was Ann Fullerton but there will be a replacement for her. When > will > it finish!!!, I do not know but I believe it will come out on a DVD or > perhaps two. There is no website re its progress although the Registry > does > write a column for the quarterly magazines of the GSV and AAIGS noting the > stage it is at. > > Yes Gary, you do detect some despair on my behalf. I was hoping to see the > first part out years ago. Both Don and I got volunteers involved at the > Registry in the hope it would come out quickly to meet the needs of > people. > > Hope this picks up your questions. > > Cheers, > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Garry Batt > Sent: Sunday, 19 September 2010 2:09 PM > To: australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] VICTORIAN BDM INDEXES > > Hi David, > as usual you e-mails provide interesting information. > > I am curious about what you call the "Death Index Database"? > > My understanding is that there is a group of people that are going through > the death certificates and adding the cemetery of burial information to a > database of Victorian deaths. > I remember asking you about this once before and you said they were up to > the 1920's with it and that you once were part of the group. > > I am curious. > Who is actually doing it ? Is it the Register General, some Society or > just > a group of genealogists ? Who is in charge ? How many people are working > on > it ? What are they actually doing ? What information are they adding to > the > records ? Are they doing it for genealogists or the Registery ? How far > have > > they got with it ? What are they going to do with it when they finish it ? > Will they finish it in any of our life times ? > Have they got a web site where we can see what they are up to ? > > Do I detect a note of despair about this in your e-mail ? > "Still, when and if, the Death Index Database comes out in Victoria it > will > give a place of burial for the person." > > Yours, > Garry Batt. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Gary and Folks; I should have said the Burial Index being compiled by the Victorian BDM, not Death Index. I believe they are up to the late 1950s with their data entry. I only wish that they had produced it in two groups. Up to 1920, then 1921-1985 instead of waiting for just one index. It has been going for over many years now being compiled. The index is being compiled by a list of volunteers at the Victorian BDM offices using the actual death certificates. The final product will come out from the Victorian Registry. I believe they are also looking at including maps and histories of the cemeteries. One of the areas of "problem" is the locational index, ie when you type in a cemetery by a name it will bring up all burials for all names the cemeteries used. ie Preston Cemetery was originally McLeans, then Darebin Creek, then Strathallan, then Preston cemetery. If you used Preston Cemetery for a search term, all would appear. They were still working on this. The biggest single group for the index is "Unknown" for the place of burial. Many early death certificates did not include date and place of burial on the certificate. Originally the burial index project was set up using volunteers from the AIGS and GSV to put together burial list for both Cemetery Trusts who had lost their burial records and for family history researchers. The project started just before I became President of the GSV and Don Grant was president of AIGS. Been going for a looonnnnnggggg time now. The registry is in charge of it and it has a public servant at the Registry responsible for it. It was Ann Fullerton but there will be a replacement for her. When will it finish!!!, I do not know but I believe it will come out on a DVD or perhaps two. There is no website re its progress although the Registry does write a column for the quarterly magazines of the GSV and AAIGS noting the stage it is at. Yes Gary, you do detect some despair on my behalf. I was hoping to see the first part out years ago. Both Don and I got volunteers involved at the Registry in the hope it would come out quickly to meet the needs of people. Hope this picks up your questions. Cheers, David -----Original Message----- From: australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Garry Batt Sent: Sunday, 19 September 2010 2:09 PM To: australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] VICTORIAN BDM INDEXES Hi David, as usual you e-mails provide interesting information. I am curious about what you call the "Death Index Database"? My understanding is that there is a group of people that are going through the death certificates and adding the cemetery of burial information to a database of Victorian deaths. I remember asking you about this once before and you said they were up to the 1920's with it and that you once were part of the group. I am curious. Who is actually doing it ? Is it the Register General, some Society or just a group of genealogists ? Who is in charge ? How many people are working on it ? What are they actually doing ? What information are they adding to the records ? Are they doing it for genealogists or the Registery ? How far have they got with it ? What are they going to do with it when they finish it ? Will they finish it in any of our life times ? Have they got a web site where we can see what they are up to ? Do I detect a note of despair about this in your e-mail ? "Still, when and if, the Death Index Database comes out in Victoria it will give a place of burial for the person." Yours, Garry Batt.

Hi David, as usual you e-mails provide interesting information. I am curious about what you call the "Death Index Database"? My understanding is that there is a group of people that are going through the death certificates and adding the cemetery of burial information to a database of Victorian deaths. I remember asking you about this once before and you said they were up to the 1920's with it and that you once were part of the group. I am curious. Who is actually doing it ? Is it the Register General, some Society or just a group of genealogists ? Who is in charge ? How many people are working on it ? What are they actually doing ? What information are they adding to the records ? Are they doing it for genealogists or the Registery ? How far have they got with it ? What are they going to do with it when they finish it ? Will they finish it in any of our life times ? Have they got a web site where we can see what they are up to ? Do I detect a note of despair about this in your e-mail ? "Still, when and if, the Death Index Database comes out in Victoria it will give a place of burial for the person." Yours, Garry Batt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "D Weatherill" <djweath@bigpond.net.au> To: <australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 11:24 AM Subject: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] VICTORIAN BDM INDEXES > Good Morning; > > > > I am not too sure if I have mentioned this before, but just in case I > thought I would send this information. > > > > It concerns the Place of Death (and Birth on Birth Indexes) on the Index > listing for death place with the Victorian Registry of Births, Death and > Marriages Indexes. It deals with the place of death for the Pioneers Index > and up until the Great War Index (to 1920) and in some cases further on. > > > > The Colony/State of Victoria after 1 July 1853 when the Registry of > Births, > Deaths and Marriages Department came into being, divided the colony/state > up > into Registration Districts. In each district a Deputy Registrar of BDMs > was > appointed. These people changed over time and are noted on the > certificates. > Now these Deputy Registrars lived in a specific town and this is the town > name on the top of the certificate page and with the signature of the > Deputy > Registrar on the certificates. All data on deaths, births and marriages > went > through the Deputy Registrar of the area and he wrote up each event. > > > > So when these certificates were forwarded in to the Registrar each quarter > the indexes were written up by clerks in the Department. What they used as > the Place of the Event for the Index data on each person was the town > where > the Deputy Registrar lived. I don't fully know why, but this happened. > When > you check the index after 1880 for deaths in Victoria you get a place of > death. In many cases this is not where the person died. Prior to 1880 you > only get place of birth for the death. > > > > While I was researching the old Tarwin Lower Cemetery many years ago I > found > all these place of deaths on the VPI and beyond listed as at Fish Creek. > This created some confusion given there was no Fish Creek Cemetery. As I > checked out the death certificates I noted death/burials at Tarwin Lower > Cemetery, Wonthaggi Cemetey, etc. The listings on the Indexes showed a > huge > number of people with Fish Creek as Death Place. More than were actually > living in the area. I then queried this with the Victorian Registry and > was > given the answer. The index place of death is the place where the Deputy > Registrar was living at the time. Ah, this things that can happen!! > > > > One final issue is that even though you have a correct place of death on > the > index, it does not mean the person was buried in the local cemetery. For > example, in the case of the death place as Heidelberg, many people died in > the Austin Hospital and their family buried them elsewhere. Not everyone > noted as having a death place of Heidelberg, means they were buried in the > Warringal/Heidelberg Cemetery. > > > > I hope this is of value. I do get requests for burial assistance from > people > just using the index death place data. I many cases the person is not > buried > in the local cemetery. The only main way to identify place of burial is > from > the death certificate. Still, when and if, the Death Index Database comes > out in Victoria it will give a place of burial for the person. > > > > If you have any questions re my brief write up above, just ask. I hope it > is > clear. > > > > Have a good Sunday. > > > > Cheers, > > > > David > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks, David, for this. I did know that in some cases the place of death shown in the indexes was not always exact, but didn't know why. What is the Death Index Database? Regards, Jennifer http://colston-wenck.com -----Original Message----- From: australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of D Weatherill Sent: Sunday, 19 September 2010 11:24 AM To: australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] VICTORIAN BDM INDEXES Good Morning; I am not too sure if I have mentioned this before, but just in case I thought I would send this information. It concerns the Place of Death (and Birth on Birth Indexes) on the Index listing for death place with the Victorian Registry of Births, Death and Marriages Indexes. It deals with the place of death for the Pioneers Index and up until the Great War Index (to 1920) and in some cases further on. The Colony/State of Victoria after 1 July 1853 when the Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages Department came into being, divided the colony/state up into Registration Districts. In each district a Deputy Registrar of BDMs was appointed. These people changed over time and are noted on the certificates. Now these Deputy Registrars lived in a specific town and this is the town name on the top of the certificate page and with the signature of the Deputy Registrar on the certificates. All data on deaths, births and marriages went through the Deputy Registrar of the area and he wrote up each event. So when these certificates were forwarded in to the Registrar each quarter the indexes were written up by clerks in the Department. What they used as the Place of the Event for the Index data on each person was the town where the Deputy Registrar lived. I don't fully know why, but this happened. When you check the index after 1880 for deaths in Victoria you get a place of death. In many cases this is not where the person died. Prior to 1880 you only get place of birth for the death. While I was researching the old Tarwin Lower Cemetery many years ago I found all these place of deaths on the VPI and beyond listed as at Fish Creek. This created some confusion given there was no Fish Creek Cemetery. As I checked out the death certificates I noted death/burials at Tarwin Lower Cemetery, Wonthaggi Cemetey, etc. The listings on the Indexes showed a huge number of people with Fish Creek as Death Place. More than were actually living in the area. I then queried this with the Victorian Registry and was given the answer. The index place of death is the place where the Deputy Registrar was living at the time. Ah, this things that can happen!! One final issue is that even though you have a correct place of death on the index, it does not mean the person was buried in the local cemetery. For example, in the case of the death place as Heidelberg, many people died in the Austin Hospital and their family buried them elsewhere. Not everyone noted as having a death place of Heidelberg, means they were buried in the Warringal/Heidelberg Cemetery. I hope this is of value. I do get requests for burial assistance from people just using the index death place data. I many cases the person is not buried in the local cemetery. The only main way to identify place of burial is from the death certificate. Still, when and if, the Death Index Database comes out in Victoria it will give a place of burial for the person. If you have any questions re my brief write up above, just ask. I hope it is clear. Have a good Sunday. Cheers, David

Good Morning; I am not too sure if I have mentioned this before, but just in case I thought I would send this information. It concerns the Place of Death (and Birth on Birth Indexes) on the Index listing for death place with the Victorian Registry of Births, Death and Marriages Indexes. It deals with the place of death for the Pioneers Index and up until the Great War Index (to 1920) and in some cases further on. The Colony/State of Victoria after 1 July 1853 when the Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages Department came into being, divided the colony/state up into Registration Districts. In each district a Deputy Registrar of BDMs was appointed. These people changed over time and are noted on the certificates. Now these Deputy Registrars lived in a specific town and this is the town name on the top of the certificate page and with the signature of the Deputy Registrar on the certificates. All data on deaths, births and marriages went through the Deputy Registrar of the area and he wrote up each event. So when these certificates were forwarded in to the Registrar each quarter the indexes were written up by clerks in the Department. What they used as the Place of the Event for the Index data on each person was the town where the Deputy Registrar lived. I don't fully know why, but this happened. When you check the index after 1880 for deaths in Victoria you get a place of death. In many cases this is not where the person died. Prior to 1880 you only get place of birth for the death. While I was researching the old Tarwin Lower Cemetery many years ago I found all these place of deaths on the VPI and beyond listed as at Fish Creek. This created some confusion given there was no Fish Creek Cemetery. As I checked out the death certificates I noted death/burials at Tarwin Lower Cemetery, Wonthaggi Cemetey, etc. The listings on the Indexes showed a huge number of people with Fish Creek as Death Place. More than were actually living in the area. I then queried this with the Victorian Registry and was given the answer. The index place of death is the place where the Deputy Registrar was living at the time. Ah, this things that can happen!! One final issue is that even though you have a correct place of death on the index, it does not mean the person was buried in the local cemetery. For example, in the case of the death place as Heidelberg, many people died in the Austin Hospital and their family buried them elsewhere. Not everyone noted as having a death place of Heidelberg, means they were buried in the Warringal/Heidelberg Cemetery. I hope this is of value. I do get requests for burial assistance from people just using the index death place data. I many cases the person is not buried in the local cemetery. The only main way to identify place of burial is from the death certificate. Still, when and if, the Death Index Database comes out in Victoria it will give a place of burial for the person. If you have any questions re my brief write up above, just ask. I hope it is clear. Have a good Sunday. Cheers, David

Good Morning; My thanks to all who replied to my request regarding this cemetery. I appreciate you taking the time and trouble to assist me. I did further detailed research regarding the cemetery. The final result is that there was no cemetery at Barry's Reef. A check of the main records: cemetery archives for the Dept of Health, DSE Historic Places Unit, PROV, old Parish maps and the Victorian Registry of BDMs note no cemetery or no death certificates listing a burial at Barry's Reef or Barry's Reef Cemetery. Nor is there a VGG (Victorian Government Gazette) listing for the cemetery being gazetted. Backtracking through the information noted the belief that there was a Barry's Reef Cemetery would appear to come from a list of names stating reburial in Blackwood Cemetery from Barry's Reef Cemetery. This list came from a list of deaths noted by Richard Goudge many years ago - ie deaths at Barry's Creek. He wrote two articles for the Genealogical Society of Victoria in the 1960s and gave a handwritten list of the burials and his reminiscences of Barry's Creekto the Society. A check on the names on his list and the list noting reburials from Barry's reef Cemetery, (they are the same names), note their burials mainly in the Blackwood Cemetery or Blue Mountains Cemetery. Just thought the information might be of interest. Cheers, David