Thank you for this link Julie, this is a BIG help. Regards Jo.

Thanks Julie Bern. Salter -----Original Message----- From: australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Julie N Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:21 PM To: australia-cemeteries-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] Box Hill cemetery Hi all Found Box Hill cemetery online at. http://boxhillcemetery.org/mapguide/BoxHill/Public/index.php Julie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all Found Box Hill cemetery online at. http://boxhillcemetery.org/mapguide/BoxHill/Public/index.php Julie

Hi David, Thank you for your reply. I am at a loss to know where the data came from too. Whilst researching my own BRADLEYs, I found one buried at CAMPBELL'S CREEK, on attempting to obtain further information from the cemetery I was told by the gentleman in charge "the information must have come from the headstone as no one had accessed our records from the day the cemetery began". Unfortunately some years ago I was helping a lady with her family tree, I found information of three family members buried the same day. I found the parent's deaths but not the daughter mentioned as being buried the same day. Unfortunately the parents died in a tragic accident and the daughter mentioned was the lady I was helping with her tree; apparently her name appears on the headstone as being their daughter, not that she died. The BRADLEY information I queried and you have kindly supplied mentions a John and Hannah BRADLEY, the AGC Index reads as though they also died 5th September 1879, they were in fact children of Thomas and were still living after his 5th September 1879 death. Thank you to both you and Alison for your assistance, it is kind souls like both of you that make genealogy an enjoyable experience for researchers. Regards, Dorne. Dorne SAUNDERS Dornes1@bigpond.com

Hi Dorne; Glad the data was of some help. I know of the AIGS database. I think I know where the information came from - G.P. Townsend's MIs for the cemetery completed in the early part of the 20th C. Not too sure though how the AIGS prepared the codes for each entry. David -----Original Message----- Sent: Saturday, 25 September 2010 8:58 AM To: australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] SAGS (AGC Index) reference numbermeaning? Good morning David, Wow, I cannot thank you enough; thank you so much for going to all that trouble. The best part is that it was worthwhile asking as they are Summer Robyne's family and the information you have given confirms what I have found but also supplies more information for her in "new" family members. Thank you again. Regards, Dorne. Dorne SAUNDERS

Hi Alison, Thank you for you generous offer, David has replied, in detail, of the BRADLEYs relating to my SAGS query therefore there will be no need for you to go to SAGS for me. Thank you again for the offer. Regards, Dorne. Dorne Phefley SAUNDERS (AUSTRALIA) Dornes1@bigpond.com

Good morning David, Wow, I cannot thank you enough; thank you so much for going to all that trouble. The best part is that it was worthwhile asking as they are Summer Robyne's family and the information you have given confirms what I have found but also supplies more information for her in "new" family members. Thank you again. Regards, Dorne. Dorne SAUNDERS Dornes1@bigpond.com

Good Morning Dorne; Sorry to take so long in getting back to you re your request. I have been flat out these last few days and just getting back to my work on Heidelberg/Warringal Cemetery. Your people are buried as follows: Sent: Friday, 24 September 2010 5:54 PM To: australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] SAGS (AGC Index) reference number meaning? Hi Folks, I am aware that the information on the AGC Index is not always correct (I suspect it is wrong in this case too), I wondered if somoneone on the list may know what the SAGS reference number refers too for the BRADLEY's buried at the HEIDELBERG cemetery e.g; REFERENCE: C7/11/1 P167 Regards, Dorne. NAME: BRADLEY Thomas PLACE: HEIDELBERG ALPHINGTON STATE: VICTORIA COUNTRY: AUSTRALIA DATE: 05 Sep 1879 Buried: 7 Sept, 1879 - C of E area, Row: A, Grave 11, Age given as 73 years NAME: BRADLEY Hannah PLACE: HEIDELBERG ALPHINGTON STATE: VICTORIA COUNTRY: AUSTRALIA DATE: 05 Sep 1879 I can find no Hannah Bradley in the Burial Index NAME: BRADLEY John PLACE: HEIDELBERG ALPHINGTON STATE: VICTORIA COUNTRY: AUSTRALIA Buried: 6 June, 1882 (No Age given in Burial Register) Wesleyan Area, Row: D, Grave 53. You sent me one request for a John Bradley, aged 74 years. BRADLEY, Francis Buried: 22 January, 1889, Age 77, C of E Area, Row: B, Grave: 21. BRADLEY, Robert Speight Buried: 12 August 1901, C of E area, Row: BB, Grave 33, Age 56 years. I can find no listing for a John Bradley, who died 5 September 1879. There are Headstones: Sacred to the memory of / Charlotte, the beloved wife of Francis BRADLEY/ who died 13th December 1882, aged 68 years/ also the above/ Francis Bradley/ who died 21st January, 1889, aged 77 years. A large vault marked BRADLEY - nothing else. Erected by/ John & Hannah/ in memory of their beloved father/ Thomas BRADLEY/ who died September 5th 1879, aged 76 years Sacred to the Memory of/ Margaret BRADLEY/ who departed this life/ February 11nd 1865, aged 67/ also of her husband, John BRADLEY/ born at Bolton, Lancashire, England/ arrived in Victoria in 1841/ died in Heidelberg, May 19th 1882, aged 74 years. Hope this helps. David ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dorne, C7/11/1 is a catalogue reference number used by SAG where the information is held - the information given on AGCI (which after all is just an INDEX) is more than likely correct. The particular info you are looking for it appears will be on page 167 of said book filed under reference C7/11/1 (which is their catalogue reference for cemeteries in Victoria) It is a book of cemetery transcriptions. You can check out exactly what is covered here on the SAG website http://www.sag.org.au/ go co "collections" on the blue bar then click on "online library catalogue" choose "advanced" search" then "other" and in the box with dropdown choices select "call number" and in the field next to that type in C7/11/1 you will then get a list showing what is covered in this volume. I will be going to SAG on Monday and can check to see what detail is included in the book if you would like - let me know off list.. Alison :-) Sydney Oz ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dorne Saunders wrote: > Hi Folks, > I am aware that the information on the AGC Index is not always correct (I suspect it is wrong in this case too), I wondered if somoneone on the list may know what the SAGS reference number refers too for the BRADLEY's buried at the HEIDELBERG cemetery e.g; REFERENCE: C7/11/1 P167 > Regards, > Dorne. > > > NAME: BRADLEY Thomas > PLACE: HEIDELBERG ALPHINGTON > STATE: VICTORIA > COUNTRY: AUSTRALIA > > <snip>

Hi Ray, Thank you for your prompt reply, much appreciated. Regards, Dorne. Dorne SAUNDERS Dornes1@bigpond.com

Compartment 7 Plot 167 Regards, Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorne Saunders" <Dornes1@bigpond.com> To: <australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 5:53 PM Subject: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] SAGS (AGC Index) reference number meaning? > Hi Folks, > I am aware that the information on the AGC Index is not always correct (I > suspect it is wrong in this case too), I wondered if somoneone on the list > may know what the SAGS reference number refers too for the BRADLEY's > buried at the HEIDELBERG cemetery e.g; REFERENCE: C7/11/1 P167 > Regards, > Dorne. > > > NAME: BRADLEY Thomas > PLACE: HEIDELBERG ALPHINGTON > STATE: VICTORIA > COUNTRY: AUSTRALIA > DATE: 05 Sep 1879 > EVENT: Death > SOURCE: Cemetery Transcript Unspecified > HELD BY: Society of Australian Genealogists > REFERENCE: C7/11/1 P167 > > NAME: BRADLEY Hannah > PLACE: HEIDELBERG ALPHINGTON > STATE: VICTORIA > COUNTRY: AUSTRALIA > DATE: 05 Sep 1879 > EVENT: Death > SOURCE: Cemetery Transcript Unspecified > HELD BY: Society of Australian Genealogists > REFERENCE: C7/11/1 P167 > > > NAME: BRADLEY John > PLACE: HEIDELBERG ALPHINGTON > STATE: VICTORIA > COUNTRY: AUSTRALIA > DATE: 05 Sep 1879 > EVENT: Death > SOURCE: Cemetery Transcript Unspecified > HELD BY: Society of Australian Genealogists > REFERENCE: C7/11/1 P167 > > > Dorne SAUNDERS > Dornes1@bigpond.com > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Folks, I am aware that the information on the AGC Index is not always correct (I suspect it is wrong in this case too), I wondered if somoneone on the list may know what the SAGS reference number refers too for the BRADLEY's buried at the HEIDELBERG cemetery e.g; REFERENCE: C7/11/1 P167 Regards, Dorne. NAME: BRADLEY Thomas PLACE: HEIDELBERG ALPHINGTON STATE: VICTORIA COUNTRY: AUSTRALIA DATE: 05 Sep 1879 EVENT: Death SOURCE: Cemetery Transcript Unspecified HELD BY: Society of Australian Genealogists REFERENCE: C7/11/1 P167 NAME: BRADLEY Hannah PLACE: HEIDELBERG ALPHINGTON STATE: VICTORIA COUNTRY: AUSTRALIA DATE: 05 Sep 1879 EVENT: Death SOURCE: Cemetery Transcript Unspecified HELD BY: Society of Australian Genealogists REFERENCE: C7/11/1 P167 NAME: BRADLEY John PLACE: HEIDELBERG ALPHINGTON STATE: VICTORIA COUNTRY: AUSTRALIA DATE: 05 Sep 1879 EVENT: Death SOURCE: Cemetery Transcript Unspecified HELD BY: Society of Australian Genealogists REFERENCE: C7/11/1 P167 Dorne SAUNDERS Dornes1@bigpond.com

Good Morning; With my cemetery research I have come across 5 acres of land at Blow's Flat being reserved for a cemetery - Victorian Government Gazette No. 22, 15 February, 1861 (pp 311-312). The land consisted of allotments 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 Section B, parish of Myrniong, county of Bourke. There is a small cemetery file on the cemetery held by the DHS Cemeteries Archives, but nothing in the file as to what happened to the cemetery; was it ever used, was it sold, etc. I can find no record of trustees being appointed. The file notes a request was made by Isaac Evans of Pentland Hills, on 22 October 1860, to the Victorian Lands and Survey Office in Melbourne regarding the progress being made following an earlier request for 12 acres of land to be set aside for a cemetery at Blow's Flat. The letter notes that the request for the land and cemetery had been forwarded to the government 12 months earlier by a committee set up to request a cemetery, but nothing had been heard re this request to date. On 7 November 1860 the deputy Surveyor General noted that 5 acres would be suitable for a cemetery. Following the gazetting of the cemetery, nothing more seems to be known of the cemetery. If anyone has any further information on the cemetery, I would appreciate hearing from them. Regards, David Weatherill

Hi Dorne Its interesting,I didnt know about Osborne,I all ways new it as Mt Martha,A little more history I'll have to remember that. I get asked all the time about Schnapper Piont,when people are asking for photos they get the info from the cd then find the person buried in the Mornington cemetery they just cant seem to grasp it. Thanks Julie > From: Dornes1@bigpond.com > To: australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 18:34:20 +1000 > Subject: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] Moorooduc Cemetery > > Hi Julie, > Yes, all are one and the same place, just variant spelling. The folks who transcribed for the cds probaly didn't know where it was either. > What is known locally as SCHNAPPER POINT these days is pretty much the area around MORNINGTON Park and the pier area. > "Recent locals" do not know the area was originally known as SCHNAPPER POINT; OSBORNE is now known as MOUNT MARTHA (that changed as recently as about 1972). > > > Dorne SAUNDERS > Dornes1@bigpond.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Julie, Yes, all are one and the same place, just variant spelling. The folks who transcribed for the cds probaly didn't know where it was either. What is known locally as SCHNAPPER POINT these days is pretty much the area around MORNINGTON Park and the pier area. "Recent locals" do not know the area was originally known as SCHNAPPER POINT; OSBORNE is now known as MOUNT MARTHA (that changed as recently as about 1972). Dorne SAUNDERS Dornes1@bigpond.com

Hi Julie, SCHNAPPER POINT is the original name for MORNINGTON (Parish: MOOROODUC. County: MORNINGTON) Dorne SAUNDERS Dornes1@bigpond.com

Hi David I new you would have the answers,as early as that,well that clears that up,I can now let this person know. Thank you. Just to name a few monuments before 1880,so I new his one in 1880 wasn't the first. Hannah CONSTABLE 1861 aged 19 this could be the one you have. Wm Frederick COBB 1863 aged 18 Francis George GROVER 1867 aged 8 Wm Michael ROSS 1870 aged 18 Also for those of you researching in this area just to point out as well, Schnapper/Snapper Point on the diggers cds is in Mornington. Thanks David Julie

Hi Folks; I thought list members might like a little more information re early cemeteries in Victoria. Victoria became a Colony on 1 July, 1851. The first act of the colony in regards to cemeteries was "An Act for the Establishment and Management of Cemeteries in the Colony of Victoria. [Assented to 23 March, 1854]. It was known as 17 Victoria No. 12. What this act did was to official approve the establishment of the General Cemetery near the City of Melbourne (now known as the Melbourne General Cemetery) plus officially approve all public cemeteries already in operation up until March 1854. After this date, each cemetery was individually gazetted. So the by-product of this Act was not to give each of the cemeteries caught up under it an "official individual gazetting date". They were just noted as being approved under the Act: 17-Vic-12 of 31 March 1854 (date of gazettal of the Act). Probably the only way to get an exact date would be a check at the Victorian Lands Department as to when the piece of land for the cemetery was initially listed as a public burial ground/cemetery with the Department. Hope this helps. If anyone has any further questions, just ask. I will see if I can help. Cheers, David

Good Afternoon Julie; Interesting, my notes have it as possibly having three names over its life- Mornington, Mount Martha and Moorooduc. The dates I have is that first piece of data in the old cemetery files dates from 1859 although I also have a date of 1855 in the file. Julie I don't have the burial records for it but I note from our GSV files on MIs and Burial Index, the first burial was in 1858. I need to check this out next time I am in at the GSV. The first headstone was dated 4 January 1861. Again need to check this out at the GSV. We have two files on it - MIs and Burial Index. The first Gazette Notice in the Victorian Government Gazette - August 1857, Page 1604, for the cemetery noted the Trustees appointed for the land set apart at Moorooduc, in the county of Mornington, as a General Cemetery, under the provisions of the Act 17, Victoria No.12. So it was in place before 1854 when 17-Vic-12 Act came into being approving all those cemeteries in operation before the date of the Act. 17 Victoria 12 was gazetted on 31 March 1854, being assented to by the Governor In Council on 23 March 1854. So Julie there was no official individual gazettal date for the cemetery. It was gazetted as part of a number of cemeteries already in operation at the time - Yan Yean, Warringal (Heidelberg) etc. I have no idea when the name changed to Mornington. Many early cemeteries were initially named after the Parish and then took on the town name at a later date. I hope this helps. Cheers, David -----Original Message----- From: australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Julie N Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2010 4:07 PM To: australia-cemeteries-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] Moorooduc Cemetery Vic Hi all This is question mostly for David with his back ground on cemeteries maybe able to help. Mornington cemetery also known as Moorooduc is one and the same for those of you who didn't know. My question is what time frame was it opened,for the first burial as Moorooduc ?,I have death cert for 1880 Moorooduc cemetery Also when was the name changed to the Mornington cemetery. A bit of confusion for some people researching families between the two cemetery names, I have someone telling me his research goes back to one of his family members was the first person buried at the cemetery in 1880,I have monument records with burials before 1880. Any information would be great, so I can let this person know. Thanks Julie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all This is question mostly for David with his back ground on cemeteries maybe able to help. Mornington cemetery also known as Moorooduc is one and the same for those of you who didn't know. My question is what time frame was it opened,for the first burial as Moorooduc ?,I have death cert for 1880 Moorooduc cemetery Also when was the name changed to the Mornington cemetery. A bit of confusion for some people researching families between the two cemetery names, I have someone telling me his research goes back to one of his family members was the first person buried at the cemetery in 1880,I have monument records with burials before 1880. Any information would be great, so I can let this person know. Thanks Julie