Agree wholy Garry there is sometimes no rhyme or reason for some record keeping, as I found while doing the local cemetery here. There was no book for the first few years and we believe that this was all filled out a couple of years down the track as there is a gap in pages and the first records, the writing consistant. Then there was no sec for a couple of years so burial filled out willy nilly, then there was the lazy secretery, his records consistantly odd, then matching them to BDMs found some other problems. The Headstones are not always correct either, with families putting stones up much later and thinking they know the date. Very good argument for checking all sources which are becoming more and more available with newspaper death notices (more of a modern thing with the occasional 19th century ones) and wills. A good genie should make a good detective! Carmel -----Original Message----- From: australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Garry Batt Sent: Tuesday, 9 November, 2010 1:20 AM To: australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] Death reg'n entry Hi Carmel, Just a comment on Cemetery Trust records. Someone once asked me why I would record the memorials of a cemetery that had it's trust records on-line. The answer is that they are different types of records. Until 2005 there was no set standard for Cemetery Trust record keeping. These standards appear ambiguous and are usually ignored, that's if the secretary is aware of them Most trust records I've seen depend on the mood of the trust secretary at any given time and vary over the years with the changes of secretarys. It's quite common for trusts to use their "Bookings" or "Invoice" books as their records. In one cemetery I had a group of plaques all around 20 years out of sync with the dates the trust gave me. When I asked it turned out that they all got kicked out of Springvale for not paying their rent and the date given was when they were booked into their new cemetery. I queried another one who died in 1912 but was listed as 2002 and was told that that was when the memorial was paid for. I often see cemetery records that are a mixture of trust, memorials and the BDM's and wonder how they can mix three different types of records. It just doesn't work. Yours, Garry Batt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carmel M Reynen" <fcfibre2@bigpond.com> To: <australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] Death reg'n entry > Depends on the Registra at the time, was there an inquest for this person? > The place is not always accurate anyway. For example a birth may > registered > in one place when it took place a long way from there, My grandmother was > living in Arthurs Creek and births were often registered around Fitzroy or > Collingwood as that is where family lived and the child would be > registered > when they went to visit. > Also registration years can differ. I found one registered in 1918 when > he > had been born in the late 1800s. He needed to go overseas and found he did > not have a birth registration. If however you are looking for children of > a > couple and find this you would wonder why there is a big age difference > between children. I also, while transcribing a cemetery record book, found > a > whole group of people registered a few years after their deaths, we could > not work out why these people were buried before they died. Our guess is > that there was a bunch of death records found and had been forgotten to be > sent to the BDMs record office. > It could also be these were not filled in properly at the time and so BDM > have just put it as victoria. > > Carmel > > -----Original Message----- > From: australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ironside > Sent: Monday, 8 November, 2010 4:39 PM > To: australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] Death reg'n entry > > (My apology if this message turns up twice but the original was not > received > by myself) > > I have been given the following entry by a kind reader, but it raises the > question, why would both the place of death and the Registration Place > both > be shown as "Victoria" and not as a town or city? > > Name: James TODD > Death Place: Victoria > Age: 53 > Registration Year: 1879 > Registration Place: Victoria > Registration Number: 8712 > > Of course not having parents names shown will mean I cannot claim him but > the question remains, why only "Victoria". > > Your thoughts please kind readers. > > Paul in Sydney > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Carol, I am so rude - I can't believe I didn't thank you for this piece of information some time ago. Please accept my apologies and thank you for the information. Regards Anne -----Original Message----- From: australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carol & George Judkins Sent: Tuesday, 21 September 2010 7:10 PM To: australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Digest, Vol 5, Issue 177 Hi Anne, Samuel Gaylard is on the AIGS Cemetery Database - died 25/12/1895 and buried Maryborough. This is an index only so can't tell you what is on the headstone but does confirm he is buried there cheers Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: australia-cemeteries-request@rootsweb.com To: australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 5:01 PM Subject: AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Digest, Vol 5, Issue 177 ------------------------------- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:31:33 +1000 From: "Anne Hanson" <annehanson1@bigpond.com> Subject: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] Burials & Headstones Transcriptions Maryborough (Vic) Cemetery 1874-1963 To: "Australia-Cemeteries" <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000601cb5935$1bb7cc00$53276400$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Afternoon All, Just wondering if anyone has access to burial/headstone information for Maryborough (Vic) Cemetery - am looking for Samuel Gaylard. Died 25 Dec 1895. Many thanks. Anne ------------------------------ To contact the AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES list administrator, send an email to AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES mailing list, send an email to AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Digest, Vol 5, Issue 177 **************************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3148 - Release Date: 09/21/10 03:04:00

Yes, cemetery trusts have weird and wonderful practices when it comes to burial records. Mostly the bigger organizations (like councils) tend to be aware of current legislation and stay compliant with that legislation in terms of record-keeping, but many of them have inherited responsibility for other smaller cemeteries over the years where the record-keeping was pretty poor. The small cemeteries connected to churches, small towns, private landowners etc are probably still a problem for record-keeping, no matter what the current rules are. In particular, early cemeteries when established had to identify people as trustees of the cemeteries. However, over the years, those people have died and been replaced by others without ever telling the government. So there are cemeteries out there still operating whose official trustees are now all dead. So it is a mystery who might even be maintaining the burial register any more. Of course it will not be a mystery to local folk or local funeral directors who probably know that it's "Charlie Smith who looks after the cemetery", but for everyone else, it's a mystery. Kerry

Carmel Personally I think the best solution for longevity of family history research and associated resources like cemetery photos etc lies with our national and state institutions: the libraries, archives, museums and galleries. Each of these has a charter or mandate to collect and preserve various kinds of material related to Australia or their particular state. While the precise details of their charter and current collecting policies do vary, nonetheless they do take these responsibilities very seriously, and they do receive ongoing funding from the state and federal governments to do so. I think material deposited with them has the best chance of surviving for another century, better than family history societies (many of whom are challenged by declining income due to declining memberships in a world of WWW-accessible genealogical resources and online competitors such as Ancestry). However, our national and state institutions face a number of challenges. They have put a lot of effort into physical preservation of paper-based materials (mostly the libraries and archives) and actual objects (mostly the museums and galleries) as that was what was needed in the past. Now with the digital era, they are faced with the issue (and in particular the costs) of trying to digitize existing material. Many of us are enjoying the benefits of the libraries of Australia who paid to digitize some of our major historic newspapers -- see here if you haven't had the pleasure: http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ and would probably agree with me that the unleashed potential of digitized resources like these newspapers is absolutely enormous. The other challenge is how to best collect and preserve born-digital material (that is, material that started its life in digital form, e.g. a Word document, or a photo taken on a digital camera). Firstly there is an enormous amount of digital material being generated. For example, when publishing your family history meant writing a large book and printing a run of 500 books, only a few of us did it. Now we can all generate loads of reports straight out of our family tree software and put them up on WWW sites or uploading a GEDCOM onto WorldConnect or Ancestry and many more of us are doing that than publishing books, so there is now a lot more family history published, most of it "born digital". The problem with born-digital material is its limited lifetime. This often surprises people, but digital material is always held in a file format (e.g. a Word document for text, a JPG file for a photo, an MP3 file for music). But the lifetime of file formats is relatively short, say 10 or so years, before it is superseded by a new and improved format. Many of us will have some documents written in early word processors that we cannot now read. Similar remarks apply to the physical storage of digital information. Does anyone have a 5-and-a-quarter-inch floppy drive on their computer any more? How much longer will computers have USB ports and DVD drives? Technological change means that born-digital materials must be constantly translated into new file formats and onto new physical media in order to survive into the future. There is a cost to doing this and some of those translations can lose information (I am sure many of you will have seen your GEDCOM files "lose information" when importing into someone else's software). So, to answer your question, yes, I am talking with national and state institutions about these issues (although in the broader context, not just for family history and cemetery photos). If you are interested to see the organizations who are part of these discussions (a series of workshops I am running across a number of capital cities over the past few months), see here: http://www.crc-glam.net/organisations Part of those discussions includes collecting materials creating by the public, but again the costs of storage and the digitizing/translation costs for that material have to be found "somewhere". Kerry

Good Morning; Following up on my two posts yesterday re the death of James Todd (Blacksmith) who died at the Yarra Bend Lunatic asylum I thought that the following information might be of interest for people regarding burials at the cemetery. * By the late 1870s it would appear that burials in the cemetery associated with the Asylum had ceased. From my research to date into burials in the cemetery the last one I have is in May, 1873. But by 1879 burials seem to have ceased in the cemetery. * The last death I have located to date at the Asylum was in August 1922 (Stanley Kelly - seaman). All these later burials were in other cemeteries, Footscray, Coburg, Melbourne, Fawkner, Boroondara (Kew), Brighton, etc. I am not too sure if it will ever be fully known all the burials in the Asylum Cemetery. If anyone has data on any later burials in the Asylum Cemetery after the May 1873 one I noted above, I would appreciate hearing from them. Regards, David Weatherill

Hi Carmel, Just a comment on Cemetery Trust records. Someone once asked me why I would record the memorials of a cemetery that had it's trust records on-line. The answer is that they are different types of records. Until 2005 there was no set standard for Cemetery Trust record keeping. These standards appear ambiguous and are usually ignored, that's if the secretary is aware of them Most trust records I've seen depend on the mood of the trust secretary at any given time and vary over the years with the changes of secretarys. It's quite common for trusts to use their "Bookings" or "Invoice" books as their records. In one cemetery I had a group of plaques all around 20 years out of sync with the dates the trust gave me. When I asked it turned out that they all got kicked out of Springvale for not paying their rent and the date given was when they were booked into their new cemetery. I queried another one who died in 1912 but was listed as 2002 and was told that that was when the memorial was paid for. I often see cemetery records that are a mixture of trust, memorials and the BDM's and wonder how they can mix three different types of records. It just doesn't work. Yours, Garry Batt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carmel M Reynen" <fcfibre2@bigpond.com> To: <australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] Death reg'n entry > Depends on the Registra at the time, was there an inquest for this person? > The place is not always accurate anyway. For example a birth may > registered > in one place when it took place a long way from there, My grandmother was > living in Arthurs Creek and births were often registered around Fitzroy or > Collingwood as that is where family lived and the child would be > registered > when they went to visit. > Also registration years can differ. I found one registered in 1918 when > he > had been born in the late 1800s. He needed to go overseas and found he did > not have a birth registration. If however you are looking for children of > a > couple and find this you would wonder why there is a big age difference > between children. I also, while transcribing a cemetery record book, found > a > whole group of people registered a few years after their deaths, we could > not work out why these people were buried before they died. Our guess is > that there was a bunch of death records found and had been forgotten to be > sent to the BDMs record office. > It could also be these were not filled in properly at the time and so BDM > have just put it as victoria. > > Carmel > > -----Original Message----- > From: australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ironside > Sent: Monday, 8 November, 2010 4:39 PM > To: australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] Death reg'n entry > > (My apology if this message turns up twice but the original was not > received > by myself) > > I have been given the following entry by a kind reader, but it raises the > question, why would both the place of death and the Registration Place > both > be shown as "Victoria" and not as a town or city? > > Name: James TODD > Death Place: Victoria > Age: 53 > Registration Year: 1879 > Registration Place: Victoria > Registration Number: 8712 > > Of course not having parents names shown will mean I cannot claim him but > the question remains, why only "Victoria". > > Your thoughts please kind readers. > > Paul in Sydney > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Again Paul; One thing I meant to say in my previous reply was that it was not uncommon for deaths/death certificates at the Yarra Bend Lunatic Asylum to have little knowledge on the person and many inmates who died were just listed as "Parents Unknown" on their death certificates. The Asylum admission data usually did not have much personal detail on the person admitted. Most of the death certificates I have for deaths (and burials) at the Asylum/Asylum Cemetery have very little personal data on the deceased. Cheers, David -----Original Message----- From: australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ironside Sent: Monday, 8 November 2010 4:39 PM To: australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] Death reg'n entry (My apology if this message turns up twice but the original was not received by myself) I have been given the following entry by a kind reader, but it raises the question, why would both the place of death and the Registration Place both be shown as "Victoria" and not as a town or city? Name: James TODD Death Place: Victoria Age: 53 Registration Year: 1879 Registration Place: Victoria Registration Number: 8712 Of course not having parents names shown will mean I cannot claim him but the question remains, why only "Victoria". Your thoughts please kind readers. Paul in Sydney

Hi Paul; The James TODD noted below was buried in the Melbourne General Cemetery on 14 July 1879. He was listed as a Blacksmith with parents unknown, place of birth as Ireland. It was thought he might have been married. Age given as 53 years at time of death. He died of the disease of the heart and the brain. There was an inquest into his death by the Coroner. James Todd died at the Yarra Bend Lunatic Asylum. As he was admitted as an inmate the law required any deaths in the Asylum must have an Inquest held into the deaths. As there was an Inquest into his death he was then an inmate at the Asylum. Not too sure what data you were sent but the Victorian BDM Indexes (Pioneers) note him as having parents- Unknown and place of birth as Ireland. I can only surmise that whoever supplied you with the data just noted his death as Victoria as he was in the Victorian Indexes. Up until 1880 the Victorian BDM Indexes for deaths only supplied the place of birth. After 1880 the place of death was given. Hope this helps. Regards, David Weatherill PS: Paul, you picked a person I had data on in my research into burials/deaths in the Yarra Bend Lunatic Asylum. It is interesting that he was not buried in the Asylum Cemetery. There were 800 burials in the old cemetery before it was officially closed. Most deaths by the late 1870s were no longer buried in the Asylum Cemetery, but buried at Melbourne General Cemetery, probably in a common grave. David -----Original Message----- From: australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ironside Sent: Monday, 8 November 2010 4:39 PM To: australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] Death reg'n entry (My apology if this message turns up twice but the original was not received by myself) I have been given the following entry by a kind reader, but it raises the question, why would both the place of death and the Registration Place both be shown as "Victoria" and not as a town or city? Name: James TODD Death Place: Victoria Age: 53 Registration Year: 1879 Registration Place: Victoria Registration Number: 8712 Of course not having parents names shown will mean I cannot claim him but the question remains, why only "Victoria". Your thoughts please kind readers. Paul in Sydney

Hi Paul, Looking at the entry on the Pioneer index, it states he was born in Ireland, no mention of Victoria being the death place. With people dying in lunatic asylums, quite often the place in not mentioned because of the stigma attached to these places, but the death certificate should have more information. I have had a few with Victoria in the birth/death place and the actual certificate has more details. But why Victoria was mentioned in the first plce I have no idea Regards Bernadette Salter -----Original Message----- From: australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ironside Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 4:39 PM To: australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] Death reg'n entry (My apology if this message turns up twice but the original was not received by myself) I have been given the following entry by a kind reader, but it raises the question, why would both the place of death and the Registration Place both be shown as "Victoria" and not as a town or city? Name: James TODD Death Place: Victoria Age: 53 Registration Year: 1879 Registration Place: Victoria Registration Number: 8712 Of course not having parents names shown will mean I cannot claim him but the question remains, why only "Victoria". Your thoughts please kind readers. Paul in Sydney ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a booklet I bought called 100 lives of Bourke and it lists and gives details of some of the more colourful people buried there, Is the information already available or would you like me to add some. I have taken some pictures in cemeteries, at Peterborough and I have some inscriptions I found interesting. I don't understand how much information is out there. I tended to go into cemeteries on holiday because they generally had lots of land and I had 2 dogs and I find the history interesting. Jean rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Depends on the Registra at the time, was there an inquest for this person? The place is not always accurate anyway. For example a birth may registered in one place when it took place a long way from there, My grandmother was living in Arthurs Creek and births were often registered around Fitzroy or Collingwood as that is where family lived and the child would be registered when they went to visit. Also registration years can differ. I found one registered in 1918 when he had been born in the late 1800s. He needed to go overseas and found he did not have a birth registration. If however you are looking for children of a couple and find this you would wonder why there is a big age difference between children. I also, while transcribing a cemetery record book, found a whole group of people registered a few years after their deaths, we could not work out why these people were buried before they died. Our guess is that there was a bunch of death records found and had been forgotten to be sent to the BDMs record office. It could also be these were not filled in properly at the time and so BDM have just put it as victoria. Carmel -----Original Message----- From: australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ironside Sent: Monday, 8 November, 2010 4:39 PM To: australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] Death reg'n entry (My apology if this message turns up twice but the original was not received by myself) I have been given the following entry by a kind reader, but it raises the question, why would both the place of death and the Registration Place both be shown as "Victoria" and not as a town or city? Name: James TODD Death Place: Victoria Age: 53 Registration Year: 1879 Registration Place: Victoria Registration Number: 8712 Of course not having parents names shown will mean I cannot claim him but the question remains, why only "Victoria". Your thoughts please kind readers. Paul in Sydney ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Paul in Sydney I looked at that record in Victoria BMD Register and it shows the following Buy Image Buy Cert Surname Given Name(s) Event Sps Snm / Father Sps Gvn / Mother Year Reg. No TODD James D Unknown UNKNOWN 1879 8712 Maybe the kind reader put in Victoria into whatever index search they used Regards Daryl from Oz (Warrawee NSW) -----Original Message----- From: australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ironside Sent: Monday, 8 November 2010 4:39 PM To: australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] Death reg'n entry (My apology if this message turns up twice but the original was not received by myself) I have been given the following entry by a kind reader, but it raises the question, why would both the place of death and the Registration Place both be shown as "Victoria" and not as a town or city? Name: James TODD Death Place: Victoria Age: 53 Registration Year: 1879 Registration Place: Victoria Registration Number: 8712 Of course not having parents names shown will mean I cannot claim him but the question remains, why only "Victoria". Your thoughts please kind readers. Paul in Sydney ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

(My apology if this message turns up twice but the original was not received by myself) I have been given the following entry by a kind reader, but it raises the question, why would both the place of death and the Registration Place both be shown as "Victoria" and not as a town or city? Name: James TODD Death Place: Victoria Age: 53 Registration Year: 1879 Registration Place: Victoria Registration Number: 8712 Of course not having parents names shown will mean I cannot claim him but the question remains, why only "Victoria". Your thoughts please kind readers. Paul in Sydney

Kerry I wholeheartedly agree with you. I have over 30 years of research along with thousands of photographs and documents. Many documents are stores often on line but it my particular assortment that becomes relevant to my research and family interests. I have a tree on Ancestry which I have privatised but have latley wondered what happens to that tree should I die and no one else has access to it. I could pass this on to my children but if they are not interested (as they mostly show at this stage) the password would get put aside and forgotten about. The cemetery sites with photographs etc have been many many hours of work and dedication (even if is is addictive) and I have had many emails thanking me for my efforts from those who have found their ancestors graves from a distance. There is also the knowledge that headstones wear or get broken after some time, so to have a photographic record of these stored somewhere is almost a must. Newspapers all over the world are currently being digitised and put on line for all to access, and these are being kept mostly by libraries and I would expect to be ongoing. Kerry other than your email, what have you done so far to ensure the longivity of our cemetery records and what can people to do help, or are you not sure where to go with this information? Carmel

Kerry, while your comments are all quite valid for someone who has not planned for the future (maybe your own website falls into this category), when the Australian Cemeteries site was in it's infancy we had a 'business plan' like any project should and of course this includes a contingency (back up) plan. Now I don't feel I need to justify anything to you Kerry but I can assure you the web site is in good hands and will be around for many more generations. Robynne, Raymond & Peter -----Original Message----- From: Kerry Raymond Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 5:15 PM To: australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] Local History Grants Program One advantage of using a service like the one the Victorian Museum is developing is that the Victorian Museum is an organisation that stands a good chance of still being around in 100 years time. Certainly it is more likely to be around than a site run by individuals as Australian Cemeteries is. This is not intended as a criticism of those involved in the Australian Cemeteries site. My husband and I run a cemetery site ourselves http://www.chapelhill.homeip.net/FamilyHistory/Photos/ which is why I am acutely aware of this issue of long-term operation. While I hope we are around and running our site for a good many years yet, I am thinking that we need to have a strategy to allow our work to live on if/when we are unable to continue to operate our site. Certainly I would seriously consider migrating our content to a state or national institution if I had the opportunity, if only as a backup. As for the argument about fragmenting the information, I can't see that the information is currently in one place anyway. There are many web sites out there with headstone photos, including http://austcemindex.com/ http://www.ozcemeteries.com/ etc along with many council WWW sites etc make it quite unlikely that it would all migrate onto a single WWW site run by individuals. I think it might be possible to integrate the information into a single site if an organisation with long-term resourcing (such as a national or state library/archive/museum) stepped forward and offered to do so. And I think that probably would be the best thing in the long run. Similar comments apply to people's individual research. From time to time people ask the question: what should I do with my research when I'm gone as my children aren't interested (or don't have children). It would be nice to think there was a standard way to preserve the results of so much work. At the moment WorldConnect would probably be your best option but that depends on a private company these days (Ancestry). Will they be around in the long term? This is 2010. Think about 2100. Kerry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

One advantage of using a service like the one the Victorian Museum is developing is that the Victorian Museum is an organisation that stands a good chance of still being around in 100 years time. Certainly it is more likely to be around than a site run by individuals as Australian Cemeteries is. This is not intended as a criticism of those involved in the Australian Cemeteries site. My husband and I run a cemetery site ourselves http://www.chapelhill.homeip.net/FamilyHistory/Photos/ which is why I am acutely aware of this issue of long-term operation. While I hope we are around and running our site for a good many years yet, I am thinking that we need to have a strategy to allow our work to live on if/when we are unable to continue to operate our site. Certainly I would seriously consider migrating our content to a state or national institution if I had the opportunity, if only as a backup. As for the argument about fragmenting the information, I can't see that the information is currently in one place anyway. There are many web sites out there with headstone photos, including http://austcemindex.com/ http://www.ozcemeteries.com/ etc along with many council WWW sites etc make it quite unlikely that it would all migrate onto a single WWW site run by individuals. I think it might be possible to integrate the information into a single site if an organisation with long-term resourcing (such as a national or state library/archive/museum) stepped forward and offered to do so. And I think that probably would be the best thing in the long run. Similar comments apply to people's individual research. From time to time people ask the question: what should I do with my research when I'm gone as my children aren't interested (or don't have children). It would be nice to think there was a standard way to preserve the results of so much work. At the moment WorldConnect would probably be your best option but that depends on a private company these days (Ancestry). Will they be around in the long term? This is 2010. Think about 2100. Kerry

I would like to point out that our own website has the ability to house and store all collections of photos, it's not necessary to use the Victorian Museum site. After many years of hard work by Raymond Henderson and Peter Applebee the Australian Cemeteries website http://www.australiancemeteries.com is a very hand and free tool for family historians all over the world. I'd hate to see this information being split and stored somewhere else. If you need help with your collection of photos please contact either myself, Raymond or Peter and we'd be very happy to help you out. Cheers, Robynne White -----Original Message----- From: Kerry Raymond Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 10:36 AM To: australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] Local History Grants Program It's also worth commenting that the Victorian Museum has a mechanism by which anyone can upload photos of "collections" and catalogue them: http://collectish.com/ This is the portal for the public at large (you don't even have to live in Victoria it seems), but I think they also have another portal http://www.victoriancollections.net.au/ which is specifically for community organisations to present their collections on-line. That site doesn't seem to be "ready to go" (unlike Collectish, which is able to be used) but I know the Museum has been running training programs with a number of community organisations (presumably as a pilot) so I imagine the site will come on-line shortly. And they do say: If you would like to get involved in the Victorian Collections project, or have further questions about it, please contact Georgia Melville or Peta Knott from Museums Australia (Victoria) on (03) 8341 7344 or info@victoriancollections.net I *think* the Victorian Collections site will be restricted to Victorian organisations (but check with them if you are interested) but a number of other State libraries and museums either are doing (or at least talking about doing similar things) so ask and you may be surprised what's possible. So, in a nutshell, if you personally or your local family history group want to photograph a cemetery and upload the photos somewhere, it would seem that Collectish and/or Victorian Collections may provide a software platform for doing it. Obviously, read the Terms and Conditions, but the main issue is that you aren't uploading other people's copyright material, which would not be an issue with photos of headstones that you took yourselves. Kerry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List, I would like to say thank to Dorne, Ironside, and Chris, Thanking you very much for answering my email. Thanking you Anne

Oooh Chris, you'll get into strife, we aren't even allowed to use the expression POME these days! :-) Dorne Phefley SAUNDERS (AUSTRALIA) Dornes1@bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Ward" <ceejay@internode.on.net> To: <australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] Sydney war graves > He was a Pom. I've replied to Anne directly with the details. > > -----Original Message----- > From: australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ironside > Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 12:45 PM > To: australia-cemeteries@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] Sydney war graves > > Was he in the Australian or some other army? > > Have a look at the ww2 Nominal Roll at > http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/script/name.asp Having trouble working out if he > was one of those listed (taking he was in the Australian Army). > > Also look at the Commonwealth War Graves site, again should be there but > cannot locate him (taking that he was in the Australian Army). > > Paul in Sydney > > -----Original Message----- > From: australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter & > Anne > > Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 12:55 PM > To: AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES@rootsweb.com > Subject: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] sydney war graves > > Hello List, I have just joined the mailing list, I am wondering if > any one can help me with this. > > I am looking for the grave site of Major Leslie Frank Rawlinson Slater, > Royal Engineers'. I think that some of the War Graves, were moved to > Sydney, from Singapore. > > Is there any photos of this Cemetery please? > > > Thanking you > > Anne > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ NOD32 5589 (20101103) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >

Was he in the Australian or some other army? Have a look at the ww2 Nominal Roll at http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/script/name.asp Having trouble working out if he was one of those listed (taking he was in the Australian Army). Also look at the Commonwealth War Graves site, again should be there but cannot locate him (taking that he was in the Australian Army). Paul in Sydney -----Original Message----- From: australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:australia-cemeteries-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter & Anne Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 12:55 PM To: AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES] sydney war graves Hello List, I have just joined the mailing list, I am wondering if any one can help me with this. I am looking for the grave site of Major Leslie Frank Rawlinson Slater, Royal Engineers'. I think that some of the War Graves, were moved to Sydney, from Singapore. Is there any photos of this Cemetery please? Thanking you Anne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message