Di, If you do up the letter the way you want it done John & I will definitely sign it for you. John & Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dianne Carroll" <yarragon@iprimus.com.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:02 PM Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] URGENT - Cemetery Tenures > Hi All, > This email is important and we need to act now as the following may > effect all Australian Cemeteries if we let this happen.... we only have > just over a week to stop all our ancestors graves from being removed > > I have just watched with dismay the feature on A Curent Affair in > regards to the removal of War Graves in Centennial Park in South > Australia. > > Although the feature is on War Graves, the 50 year tenure is on ALL > memorial graves within the cemetery and 25 year tenure on ashes. > > Generally in SA if a licence has expired and not been extended the > remains (usually bones and other artefacts such as rings, the name plate > from the coffin) are respectfully removed and placed in an ossuary > (bone) box. The grave is then deepened and the box re-interred at the > bottom of the grave. The monument is removed and the grave is available > for issue of a new licence. > > We have to the end of this month to send submissions, opposing this > ludicrus decision. > > I am calling on all GENEALOGIST, FAMILY HISTORIANS, RESEARCHERS AND > ANYONE ELSE to prepare a letter of objection and to send it to me at > P.O.Box 87 > Yarragon 3823 > > If possible could you send two copies - All those recieved will be sent > via registed mail to the Prime Minister and the other copy to the the > Chairman of the committee in the SA Parliment who will be taking > submissions. (I am awaiting the official title of the Chairmans name > from ACA) > > HELP SAVE THE MEMORY AND MEMORIALS OF ALL OUR ANCESTORS > > Don't just think about it, every letter will assist and for the sake of > 50c for a stamp, if we unite we can stop this. > > ***************************************** > Dianne. J. Carroll > Regional Historian of the Australian Alps > Email: high-country-heritage@i.am > P.O.Box 87, Yarragon, Victoria, 3823 Australia > Winner - Victorian Community Heritage Awards 2002 > Best Community Research/Register/Records > Websites: > High Country Heritage > http://www.high-country-heritage.i.am/ > Pioneer Portraits of Australian's > http://www.angelfire.com/my/pioneer > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > More information can be found on our Web Page for Cemetery Listings > by state and addresses for Cemeteries also. > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~batman/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.435 / Virus Database: 244 - Release Date: 30/12/02
Re: temporary nature of purchased burial plots. Shifting the goal posts or what! Leave our ancestors alone. We purchase plots, memorials et al at such exorbitant prices and are then asked by a cemetery board down the track "what do you want to do with a relatives head stone?" "I'll claim it and put it with the other marble statues that I've managed to recover in my backyard. I imagine most Australian back gardens will all contain headstones of their pioneer settlers eventually, why shouldn't the Prime Ministers back yard look any different? Politicians should be given the privilege of receiving their relatives headstones and memorials free of obligation, delivered to their front door. Linking both government and opposition persons to outdated memoriam would be gladly taken on by the many historical and genealogical societies throughout the land, free of charge. These policy makers are surely deserving of the privilege. As for our future dead, if there isn't enough room in our existing cemeteries, alter the method of disposal, as in other space deprived cities. We can alter our future, leave our past alone. Gerarde Walter Patman and Joyce Louise Staines
Jackie, Not sure if this helps but James Emanuel POLETTI died 1963 aged 75 at Coburg. Parents were John and Annie Matilda STEWART. Have you checked the CD to see who else is in the graves and on the main name index? Jenny Boyer Harkaway, Victoria
Hi All, This email is important and we need to act now as the following may effect all Australian Cemeteries if we let this happen.... we only have just over a week to stop all our ancestors graves from being removed I have just watched with dismay the feature on A Curent Affair in regards to the removal of War Graves in Centennial Park in South Australia. Although the feature is on War Graves, the 50 year tenure is on ALL memorial graves within the cemetery and 25 year tenure on ashes. Generally in SA if a licence has expired and not been extended the remains (usually bones and other artefacts such as rings, the name plate from the coffin) are respectfully removed and placed in an ossuary (bone) box. The grave is then deepened and the box re-interred at the bottom of the grave. The monument is removed and the grave is available for issue of a new licence. We have to the end of this month to send submissions, opposing this ludicrus decision. I am calling on all GENEALOGIST, FAMILY HISTORIANS, RESEARCHERS AND ANYONE ELSE to prepare a letter of objection and to send it to me at P.O.Box 87 Yarragon 3823 If possible could you send two copies - All those recieved will be sent via registed mail to the Prime Minister and the other copy to the the Chairman of the committee in the SA Parliment who will be taking submissions. (I am awaiting the official title of the Chairmans name from ACA) HELP SAVE THE MEMORY AND MEMORIALS OF ALL OUR ANCESTORS Don't just think about it, every letter will assist and for the sake of 50c for a stamp, if we unite we can stop this. ***************************************** Dianne. J. Carroll Regional Historian of the Australian Alps Email: high-country-heritage@i.am P.O.Box 87, Yarragon, Victoria, 3823 Australia Winner - Victorian Community Heritage Awards 2002 Best Community Research/Register/Records Websites: High Country Heritage http://www.high-country-heritage.i.am/ Pioneer Portraits of Australian's http://www.angelfire.com/my/pioneer
Don't worry Robyn, there are lots and lots of stories around just like your one. Who knows what we are getting when we purchase a house and land - it could be the former owners remains as well! Maybe you could sneak in at some time and did up your dad's ashes without your daughter knowing about it. Then somehow convince her to give you mums ashes as well. OR else just place a memorial only at your local cemetery so at least you and future generations have somewhere to go. Don't forget that in days gone by, a lot of country people were buried on properties, and we know from recent emails on the lists what has happened to lots of them! This practice of reusing burial plots has actually being going on in some other countries for years, but it is new here. The trouble with the cemeteries trying to keep all the old headstones is where would they keep them? THe last time this happened I believe the cemetery in question kept them for some time before disposing of them. Maybe instead of trying to stop this happening, someone needs to come up with a solution of what to do with the memorials. Possibly a new area somewhere that would take up a lot less space than the original graves with just the memorials on display. I have found the majority of my ancestors did not have memorials anyway. I have told my family that I want my ashes scattered anyway and if they choose to put a memorial only, that is their choice. As long as I am not locked away in a niche or garden somewhere for eternity I don't mind!! Charmaine re temporary plots....this is a true story, names have not been mentioned to > protect the poor daughter of the mother and father who feels strange about > it all.... > > A certain person's father was dying. He was so depressed, and his wife was > a very practical sort, not a very loving sort of person, or could not show > it. She just said, well, IF something happens (and we all know what she > meant) where do you want to be buried. This father was so fed up he just > said, you can bury me in the back yard with the dog as far as I am > concerned. (Note...NEVER try to be silly when you are dying, it backfires!) > > The wife said, well, if that is where you want to be buried, that's where > you will go, end of conversation. So eventually the man breathes his last > and he gets cremated and his ashes are in a shoe box, or it looks like a > shoe box. We collect it and sign for it, to dispose of it. We told the > funeral man where it was going and he dutifully wrote it in his book. > > We then have the committal 'service' in the back yard. Just some of the > family. My husband had to dig the hole. While we are all trying to say the > Lord's Prayer, my husband digs up the dogs head. Oh, says my mother, poor > Beppo, and she has a conversation with my husband about the dog. We keep > trying to 'pray' while all this goes on. Oh, there is his leg, goodness, > any more Malcolm, oh, there is his OTHER leg, poor Beppo..you can just > imagine it. My friend got a fit of the giggles and nearly choked with all > these bones coming out, mum was more concerned about the head of the dog > than anything else. She missed the prayer entirely. > > Anyway, to cut a dreadful internment story short, we finally got dad buried > with,or on top of,or partly underneath, it was so mucked up eventually, the > dog, Beppo. We all went to have a cup of tea. WE needed it. Wait the > story has not finished.... > > A couple of years later it was the wife's turn to die. She told the > executor a friend of the family, she wanted to go, and a point to the back > yard and a nod. So we get the box, it starts again, and by then my daughter > was living in the house, she got the lot, so I gave the box to her and said, > well, you know what mum wanted. Here she is. I also said, on no account are > you to ask me to attend another funeral service in the back yard, the farce > last time was enough. Also please do not bury ME on top of mum, on top of > dad, on top of the dog, Beppo, in the back yard. > > Now I am still alive, and hope not to be buried in the back yard. > Mercifully I have other children, and I have told them my instructions about > a back yard burial. > > The story has a bit of a non-closure about it really. Dad in in the back > yard. Daughter does not live there anymore, place is rented and will be > sold once she can get her act together. Mum has not been placed at all. > She is still in the cupboard at my daughter's place. So I cannot go to my > father's last resting place, it is in a stranger's back yard. I cannot go > to my mother's last resting place. She is in the cupboard. It would be > nice on mother's day or Christmas to go somewhere, but that is an option not > available to me. I don't really want to go to a cupboard and pat it. > > I have suggested to my daughter to take dad out and put him and mum in a > place, under a rock, put a plaque on it, at the local cemetery where her > friends and myself can go to, if we want to. She says that is not what her > grandparents wanted. Well, I am sure they didn't want to be in some > stranger's backyard either. They thought she would live there for the rest > of her days, but now some poor person might dig that garden and dig dad up. > They will get quite a shock. > > Anyone got any suggestions. robyndehood,toowoomba,qld.oz. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gerry Patman" <patmandu@iinet.net.au> > To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 7:56 AM > Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] URGENT - Cemetery Tenures > > > > Re: temporary nature of purchased burial plots. > > Shifting the goal posts or what! > > Leave our ancestors alone. > > We purchase plots, memorials et al at such exorbitant prices and are then > > asked by a cemetery board down the track "what do you want to do with a > > relatives head stone?" > > "I'll claim it and put it with the other marble statues that I've managed > to > > recover in my backyard. I imagine most Australian back gardens will all > > contain headstones of their pioneer settlers eventually, why shouldn't the > > Prime Ministers back yard look any different? > > > > Politicians should be given the privilege of receiving their relatives > > headstones and memorials free of obligation, delivered to their front > door. > > Linking both government and opposition persons to outdated memoriam would > be > > gladly taken on by the many historical and genealogical societies > throughout > > the land, free of charge. > > These policy makers are surely deserving of the privilege. > > > > As for our future dead, if there isn't enough room in our existing > > cemeteries, alter the method of disposal, as in other space deprived > cities. > > We can alter our future, leave our past alone. > > Gerarde Walter Patman and Joyce Louise Staines > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > > ================================================================== > > Cemetery Records on line:- > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~batman/ > > ================================================================== > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > ================================================================== > Cemetery Records on line:- > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~batman/ > ================================================================== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >
Jenny, l found your info in the digger victorian death index 1921-1985 . Glenda. ----- Original Message ----- From: <JnnyB@aol.com> To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 10:24 PM Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: Melbourne look-up & criminals > Thanks Glenda, > > Was that Melb Gen register? > > Jenny Boyer > Harkaway, Victoria > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > ================================================================== > "Please "do not" post virus warnings to the list. > ================================================================== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >
Hi again Leonie I have dinner and hate not to know when and where someone died this Henry may be Oswald Henry H b. 1900 f. Michael H M. Alice place of reg Tocumwal reg year 1900 reg number 26853 (from NSW BDM record number 41 of 83 Oswalds) let me know if this is not him and I will look some more, I assume you may have marriagesect of Michael and Alice?? found them if you need them liz
Hi Jenny, As you have posted your E.mail to the List, may I ask you to do a look up of a Death please? This is for my Mother's brother........he is named as Henry Herbert on her Birth Certificate (Catherine Ann OSWALD) (born 7 Apr 1902).....However, he may have been using the name of Henry KENNEDY. I have never been able to find a Birth certificate for him. He died sometime between 1939/40 and 1943. I did not find out who the man was, (that my Mother and I visited about 1939 or 1940, until 1960, when my Mother told me that "he was her brother, but he was dead now" With kind regards and Hoping you can help. Thank you from Leona in Toowoomba kingskid@ozxpress.com.au
Thanks Glenda, Was that Melb Gen register? Jenny Boyer Harkaway, Victoria
Hi Leona, I'm having trouble identifying your fellow. There are lots of Henry Kennedys, and a few Oswalds I think. Can you give me his approx year of birth and his parents full names (if known). I've checked for an unknown father but there is nothing that jumps out at me as the correct one. Kind regards, Jenny Boyer Harkaway, Victoria
Jenny, Hope this is of help,Vic Death Index 1921-1985 Lena Saunders, Died - 1935 Aged - 65 Reg Number - 5851 Prahan Father - Dubberke Mother - Unknown. Could find nothing in Melbourne General Cem. Good Luck, Glenda. ----- Original Message ----- From: <JnnyB@aol.com> To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 6:37 PM Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: Melbourne look-up & criminals > Could some kind soul please look up Melbourne General cemetery's register (I > have the headstones) or St Kilda for a Selina/Lena Saunders/Sangal/Dubberke? > who died in 1935. > > Also could someone direct me to where the body of a criminal hung in 1902 > would be? Will get the inquest for this one but any other help appreciated. > > Jenny Boyer > Harkaway, Victoria > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > ================================================================== > "Please "do not" post virus warnings to the list. > ================================================================== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >
Could some kind soul please look up Melbourne General cemetery's register (I have the headstones) or St Kilda for a Selina/Lena Saunders/Sangal/Dubberke? who died in 1935. Also could someone direct me to where the body of a criminal hung in 1902 would be? Will get the inquest for this one but any other help appreciated. Jenny Boyer Harkaway, Victoria
Hi Ros, Could you please look up the surnames Kett, Hair and Aberline please. Is there anything I can look up for you? I have Vic inquests 1840-1985, Vic deaths 1921-85, Vic unassisted shipping 1852-1879, Melb Gen cemetery MI only, AIGS series 1 cemeteries and Wangaratta cemetery. Jenny Boyer Harkaway, Victoria
I will look up any request for information listed on the CD. Ros.
Hi Ros, If you're not too snowed under with requests could you look up any Hillbrichs or Warmbrunns? Many thanks, Jenny Boyer Harkaway, Victoria
Hi Ros Can you look up one for me please. Her name was Maureen GEORGE and she died in either 1968 or 1969. Not sure what section she would be in, but the rest of the family are C of E. She would have been late 20's or early 30's most likely as her youngest kids were 18 months and the eldest 7 years. Thanks Charmaine I will look up any request for information listed on the CD. > Ros. > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > ================================================================== > Cemetery Records on line:- > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~batman/ > ================================================================== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >
Thanks Derek and all others who helped. Another trick I learnt. Always a simple answer if you ask the right question. Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Burr" <dburr@ozconnect.net> To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 7:40 PM Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: background colours too hard to see > Hi > To change the color of background and / or writting on a web site as you > view it you can down load a free JAVA script from one of the free sites. > This script sits in my favourites & when I click on it I just type in the > color I like & off I go. Quick as that. > > Sorry I have lost the address long ago. Try searching for JAVA through > Google. > > regards > Derek > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian & Sandra Magee" <sanbri@optusnet.com.au> > To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:24 AM > Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: background colours too hard to see > > > > Hi listers, > > > > Could someone please help me. I have great difficulty in reading net > sites > > that have a dark blue background with sometimes dark print and especially > > very small print. In fact mostly I just forget it because it takes too > much > > time. I have no idea how to set up a site so am not criticising anyone > who > > does (in fact the opposite). Is there a way of changing the colours so I > > can see better.(I mean on my computer) I am sure I am not the only one > > with this problem as several people who I have been sitting with have the > > same problem. Too many hours glued to computer screens?? or > translating > > very old wills. And the endangered graves site below mentioned I would > > love to read. Nothing wrong with glasses just eyes getting old (which of > > course I am not)(smile) just the eyes. Would appreciate any help with > this > > problem. > > > > Sandra > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > More information can be found on our Web Page for Cemetery Listings > by state and addresses for Cemeteries also. > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~batman/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >
Hi To change the color of background and / or writting on a web site as you view it you can down load a free JAVA script from one of the free sites. This script sits in my favourites & when I click on it I just type in the color I like & off I go. Quick as that. Sorry I have lost the address long ago. Try searching for JAVA through Google. regards Derek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian & Sandra Magee" <sanbri@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:24 AM Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: background colours too hard to see > Hi listers, > > Could someone please help me. I have great difficulty in reading net sites > that have a dark blue background with sometimes dark print and especially > very small print. In fact mostly I just forget it because it takes too much > time. I have no idea how to set up a site so am not criticising anyone who > does (in fact the opposite). Is there a way of changing the colours so I > can see better.(I mean on my computer) I am sure I am not the only one > with this problem as several people who I have been sitting with have the > same problem. Too many hours glued to computer screens?? or translating > very old wills. And the endangered graves site below mentioned I would > love to read. Nothing wrong with glasses just eyes getting old (which of > course I am not)(smile) just the eyes. Would appreciate any help with this > problem. > > Sandra >
thanks Brian will try that too next time. Always willing to learn something new and thank you for the help site will probably need it again in the future. Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian &/or Dot" <briandot@tpg.com.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:11 PM Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] backgrounds > Hi all > re: > > > Could someone please help me. I have great difficulty in reading net > > sites > > > that have a dark blue background with sometimes dark print and > especially > > > very small print. > > Heres what the Help file for I-Net Explorer has to say:- > > > To turn off graphics to display all Web pages faster > On the Tools menu in Internet Explorer, click Internet Options. > Click the Advanced tab. > Under Multimedia, clear one or more of the Show pictures, Play animations, > Play videos, or Play sounds check boxes. > Notes > · If the Show pictures or Play videos check box is cleared, you can > still display an individual picture or animation on a Web page by > right-clicking its icon, and then clicking Show Picture. > · If the pictures on the current page are still visible after you > clear the Show pictures check box, you can hide them by clicking the View > menu, and then clicking Refresh. > > Hope this helps > Cheers from Brian in Perth > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > ================================================================== > Cemetery Records on line:- > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~batman/ > ================================================================== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >
Hi all re: > > Could someone please help me. I have great difficulty in reading net > sites > > that have a dark blue background with sometimes dark print and especially > > very small print. Heres what the Help file for I-Net Explorer has to say:- To turn off graphics to display all Web pages faster On the Tools menu in Internet Explorer, click Internet Options. Click the Advanced tab. Under Multimedia, clear one or more of the Show pictures, Play animations, Play videos, or Play sounds check boxes. Notes · If the Show pictures or Play videos check box is cleared, you can still display an individual picture or animation on a Web page by right-clicking its icon, and then clicking Show Picture. · If the pictures on the current page are still visible after you clear the Show pictures check box, you can hide them by clicking the View menu, and then clicking Refresh. Hope this helps Cheers from Brian in Perth