Hi Carole, Yes it could have been me, would you like to share it with our Australian Cemeteries List please? Regards, Ray. Carole Tedja wrote: > Would the person who was asking about a burial at St Katherines like to contact me ? > > I have been there this afternoon and photographed all the Beale and associated family graves. I would be pleased to send copies if you give me names you are interested in. > If it is a headstone which I haven't photographed I can easily go back and do it for you.. > > It was a trip down memory lane for me as I remember going for bike rides as a child and one of our favourite destinations was St Katherines so we could look at the headstones - the habits of a lifetime obviously started young for me! > > Cheers > Carole > > ==== AUS-MELBOURNE Mailing List ==== > ==================================================== > Virus warnings are not to be sent to the List! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

>X-Apparently-To: papplebee@yahoo.com via 216.136.175.71; 22 Mar 2003 >21:50:37 -0800 (PST) >Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 22:50:20 -0700 >X-From_: maria28@myaccess.com.au Sat Mar 22 22:50:20 2003 >From: "Mick & Maria Thomas" <maria28@myaccess.com.au> >To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L-request@rootsweb.com> >Subject: CORROWONG & DELEGATE CEMETERIES >Old-Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 16:51:59 +1100 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 >X-Diagnostic: undecipherable, help sent >X-Envelope-To: AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L-request > >Hi >I'm new to this list and would like some advise about the above cemeteries. > >Is there an searchable index for the cemeteries? Or does anyone know of >books on the early pioneers of the area. I am looking for the COLLINS and >FOLEY families from circa 1855. > >Many thanks in advance > >Maria >Central Coast, NSW >Australia

Hi All Thanks to all who have responded to my search my Grandfather - Edward (Ted) Albert Goodrich - I have replied to most off line but I may have missed a couple. Thanks again for your effort in responding - I have had some good suggestions. Some suggestions I have already followed up & am waiting on replies - but to date I'm still looking!!! Julie Graham Canberra ----- Original Message ----- From: <mrshaw@bigpond.com> To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 10:53 AM Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Looking for Goodrich > Well, you could try the St George council, they might have property records > or the DPI. > lands dept. might have records also. Balonne Shire Council might even give > you another source to look at. robyndehood. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "carol werner" <carola4@optusnet.com.au> > To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 9:17 PM > Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Looking for Goodrich > > > > Hi Julie i just had to reply to your email, as i too live in Canberra my > > maiden name was Graham, and like you i have been searching maternal > > grandfather who did exactly the same thing,in 1920 without a trace i did > not > > know that there were closed records that could be searched. May i ask how > do > > you go about this.? thanks in anticipation.Carol. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Julie Graham <julie.graham@bigpond.com> > > To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 10:38 PM > > Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Looking for Goodrich > > > > > > > Hello all > > > > > > I am trying to find where my Grandfather Edward Albert (Ted)Goodrich is > > buried (without much luck I might add). He was born at Drake NSW in 1880 > & > > married my Grandmother Alice Ada Mansfield at Tenterfield in 1901. The > > family moved to Moogoon Rd Goondiwindi where they had a property > > (selection). The house burnt down in 1919 - he was away working at > > Woolerina Station near Bollon Queensland at the time. > > > > > > He was estranged from the family sometime shortly after 1924 & I have > had > > no success in finding a record of his whereabouts or his death after that > > time. I have paid for a complete search of the closed records in NSW & > QLD > > & have searched the open records myself to no avail. Checked electoral > > records last entry I found was 1924 (still with his wife). > > > > > > Any suggestions? ( I know he probably didn't want to be found). > > > > > > Julie Graham > > > Canberra > > > > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > > > ================================================================== > > > Cemetery Records on line:- > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~batman/ > > > ================================================================== > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > > ================================================================== > > "Please "do not" post virus warnings to the list. > > ================================================================== > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > ================================================================== > "Please "do not" post virus warnings to the list. > ================================================================== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Well, you could try the St George council, they might have property records or the DPI. lands dept. might have records also. Balonne Shire Council might even give you another source to look at. robyndehood. ----- Original Message ----- From: "carol werner" <carola4@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 9:17 PM Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Looking for Goodrich > Hi Julie i just had to reply to your email, as i too live in Canberra my > maiden name was Graham, and like you i have been searching maternal > grandfather who did exactly the same thing,in 1920 without a trace i did not > know that there were closed records that could be searched. May i ask how do > you go about this.? thanks in anticipation.Carol. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Julie Graham <julie.graham@bigpond.com> > To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 10:38 PM > Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Looking for Goodrich > > > > Hello all > > > > I am trying to find where my Grandfather Edward Albert (Ted)Goodrich is > buried (without much luck I might add). He was born at Drake NSW in 1880 & > married my Grandmother Alice Ada Mansfield at Tenterfield in 1901. The > family moved to Moogoon Rd Goondiwindi where they had a property > (selection). The house burnt down in 1919 - he was away working at > Woolerina Station near Bollon Queensland at the time. > > > > He was estranged from the family sometime shortly after 1924 & I have had > no success in finding a record of his whereabouts or his death after that > time. I have paid for a complete search of the closed records in NSW & QLD > & have searched the open records myself to no avail. Checked electoral > records last entry I found was 1924 (still with his wife). > > > > Any suggestions? ( I know he probably didn't want to be found). > > > > Julie Graham > > Canberra > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > > ================================================================== > > Cemetery Records on line:- > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~batman/ > > ================================================================== > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > ================================================================== > "Please "do not" post virus warnings to the list. > ================================================================== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Julie i just had to reply to your email, as i too live in Canberra my maiden name was Graham, and like you i have been searching maternal grandfather who did exactly the same thing,in 1920 without a trace i did not know that there were closed records that could be searched. May i ask how do you go about this.? thanks in anticipation.Carol. ----- Original Message ----- From: Julie Graham <julie.graham@bigpond.com> To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 10:38 PM Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Looking for Goodrich > Hello all > > I am trying to find where my Grandfather Edward Albert (Ted)Goodrich is buried (without much luck I might add). He was born at Drake NSW in 1880 & married my Grandmother Alice Ada Mansfield at Tenterfield in 1901. The family moved to Moogoon Rd Goondiwindi where they had a property (selection). The house burnt down in 1919 - he was away working at Woolerina Station near Bollon Queensland at the time. > > He was estranged from the family sometime shortly after 1924 & I have had no success in finding a record of his whereabouts or his death after that time. I have paid for a complete search of the closed records in NSW & QLD & have searched the open records myself to no avail. Checked electoral records last entry I found was 1924 (still with his wife). > > Any suggestions? ( I know he probably didn't want to be found). > > Julie Graham > Canberra > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > ================================================================== > Cemetery Records on line:- > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~batman/ > ================================================================== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Just letting you all know that all cemeteries in North East Victoria have been transcribed and digital photography is underway. These will then be released on c.d. rom by one of the family history groups in the area or by Dianne Carroll. (Dianne has already released some). Bronwen

Just A Comment,. Ilive in Canberra and i believe it is the same with all graves as here, we have at Woden cemetry. MY 2 sisters,one died 1945, the other 1968. both buried in the same grave.Now we have interred our parents ashes in this same grave, without any hassles, that is allowed but no more than 2 actual burials to 1 grave. This i t seems the law across the board as most graves are dug around 6ft for health,reasons and it should be stated if possible, first up if more than one body is to be buried in the same grave, in which case it is dug a bity deeper for the first burial but only 2 actual bodys to1 grave.Hopethis makes sense. Original Message ----- From: <mrshaw@bigpond.com> To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 5:57 PM Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] RE: Grave ownership > Hi, re having to dig graves.... > I know, I know, but several hours before the funeral was not the time to > tell us. > Cripes, if I had known I could have dug the damn thing myself. It was not > that big a slope and I reckon they could have done it with a small digger, > are they dingo diggers? > Anyway, too late now. Uncle Matt is right down the bottom of the hill, and > at least we do not have to climb in between rocks and grass and weeds to get > to him. robyn. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charmaine Maher" <tcandr@ihug.com.au> > To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 4:31 PM > Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] RE: Grave ownership > > > > Robyn > > > > You have to consider OH&S issues in this day and age. All graves are > > usually dug by machine for several reasons and one of which is so that > Grave > > Diggers do not need to get into the grave to dig it. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <mrshaw@bigpond.com> > > To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 4:17 PM > > Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] RE: Grave ownership > > > > > > > Another saga from Toowong cemetery. My old Uncle died recently and he > was > > > to be buried with his brother, next to their parents. All was fine > until > > > the early morning before the ceremony when the funeral people rang and > > said > > > they cannot bury him there as it is on the side of a hill and they could > > not > > > get the digger into the spot. I said can't you dig it by hand and they > > said > > > no, not allowed. Sore backs?? > > > > > > So I said now if a fine time to tell me, what do we do now. He is a > > > catholic and wants to be buried in the catholic section, near family, > blah > > > blah, sob, sniffle. They must have felt bad, they originally wanted us > to > > > get a new grave but I told them we didn't have enough money for that, he > > was > > > an old soldier, etc. so they offered to give him a new grave, admittedly > > > right at the bottom of the hill, poor Uncle, for the same price as the > > > digging up of the old one, quite a large discount, and so they should. > > > robyndehood > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Donny [Dianne]" <donfay11@bigpond.net.au> > > > To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 2:22 PM > > > Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] RE: Grave ownership > > > > > > > > > > At Toowong Cemetery in Brisbane, they only allow two bodies in most > [not > > > > all] graves. We had understood that this meant that my Mum's wish to > > > buried > > > > with them was impossible. > > > > > > > > I've since spoken to the Sexton, who said that we can inter the ashes > of > > > as > > > > many people as we like there, just no more bodies. He also told me > that > > > > unless it's specified otherwise in a will, ownership generally goes to > > the > > > > eldest living child, and it's their permission that should be sought. > > > > > > > > So , that would be Mum now [she's still with us], and me when she > passes > > > > away. > > > > > > > > My question is that, since she is the current 'owner', why would they > > need > > > > *my* permission to inter *her* ashes there? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donny [Dianne] > > > > > > > > http://au.geocities.com/donnyfay/ Henry Descendants > > > > http://au.geocities.com/diannefay/ Fensom Descendants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > > > > ================================================================== > > > > "Please "do not" post virus warnings to the list. > > > > ================================================================== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > > > ================================================================== > > > "Please "do not" post virus warnings to the list. > > > ================================================================== > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > > ================================================================== > > Cemetery Records on line:- > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~batman/ > > ================================================================== > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > ================================================================== > "Please "do not" post virus warnings to the list. > ================================================================== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Janet Wain" <jjwain@alphalink.com.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Saving Graves - a must ! > Hi Ray, > I would like to volunteer to transcribe the headstones at Dromana Cemetery, > Vic, if they haven't already been done. > regards > Janet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Raymond W. Henderson" <batie@bigpond.net.au> > To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 8:36 AM > Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Saving > Graves - a must ! > > > > Hi Domonic, > > Sorry this has been so long in getting back to you but have been away and > also off > > line for sometime. > > Pick your self a cemetery you'd like to do, let me know and I'll double > check to > > make sure it hasn't all ready been done, and then you can let loose on it. > > > > Regards, > > Ray. > > > > Domonic Motto wrote: > > > > > Hi Ray, > > > Just wanting to know how I can find out if some of the cemeteries in the > > > ryde area of Sydney new south wales have had the headstones transcribed > and > > > or photographed as I would be able to do this quite easily and am > prepared > > > to photograph / transcribe the headstones ... but perhaps someone has > > > already done this? can you let me know ... also could you say what most > > > people do when transcribing the headstones - do they consult the church > > > records by asking the church priest/minister etc ... what is the > > > procedure/protocol here? > > > Regards > > > Domonic > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > > > ================================================================== > > > Cemetery Records on line:- > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~batman/ > > > ================================================================== > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > > ================================================================== > > "Please "do not" post virus warnings to the list. > > ================================================================== > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

I have been unable to trace the resting place for my ancestor Sarah/Watts/Lockier/Lucas. She died in Kangarilla 12/1/1889 and had been living in the area for at least 40 years. Have also been unable to a grave for her husband William Lockier who also died in Kangarilla. Her second husband Charles Lucas is buried in the Kangarilla/Claredon Cemetery, Sarah is not buried with him. Can anyone help? Would appreciate any assistance anyone can offer. Thankyou Lynette Collison

When my father died theygave the ashes to my husband as he was "executor" no fuss at all has law/experience changed in the last 21 years or was ours unusual? Eliz,Melb ----- Original Message ----- From: <tcandr@ihug.com.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 11:49 AM Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] RE: Grave ownership > Donny > > There's 2 ways to look at that. As she is the current owner, then some > cemteries state that no ones permission is required to place her ashes there. > Alternatively, once your mum passes, then in their eyes, you are then the > owner, hence your permission is then required to place her ashes there. > > Charmaine > > At Toowong Cemetery in Brisbane, they only allow two bodies in most [not > > all] graves. We had understood that this meant that my Mum's wish to buried > > with them was impossible. > > > > I've since spoken to the Sexton, who said that we can inter the ashes of as > > many people as we like there, just no more bodies. He also told me that > > unless it's specified otherwise in a will, ownership generally goes to the > > eldest living child, and it's their permission that should be sought. > > > > So , that would be Mum now [she's still with us], and me when she passes > > away. > > > > My question is that, since she is the current 'owner', why would they need > > *my* permission to inter *her* ashes there? > > > > > > > > Donny [Dianne] > > > > http://au.geocities.com/donnyfay/ Henry Descendants > > http://au.geocities.com/diannefay/ Fensom Descendants > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > > ================================================================== > > "Please "do not" post virus warnings to the list. > > ================================================================== > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > ================================================================== > Cemetery Records on line:- > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~batman/ > ================================================================== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Robyn You have to consider OH&S issues in this day and age. All graves are usually dug by machine for several reasons and one of which is so that Grave Diggers do not need to get into the grave to dig it. ----- Original Message ----- From: <mrshaw@bigpond.com> To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 4:17 PM Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] RE: Grave ownership > Another saga from Toowong cemetery. My old Uncle died recently and he was > to be buried with his brother, next to their parents. All was fine until > the early morning before the ceremony when the funeral people rang and said > they cannot bury him there as it is on the side of a hill and they could not > get the digger into the spot. I said can't you dig it by hand and they said > no, not allowed. Sore backs?? > > So I said now if a fine time to tell me, what do we do now. He is a > catholic and wants to be buried in the catholic section, near family, blah > blah, sob, sniffle. They must have felt bad, they originally wanted us to > get a new grave but I told them we didn't have enough money for that, he was > an old soldier, etc. so they offered to give him a new grave, admittedly > right at the bottom of the hill, poor Uncle, for the same price as the > digging up of the old one, quite a large discount, and so they should. > robyndehood > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donny [Dianne]" <donfay11@bigpond.net.au> > To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 2:22 PM > Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] RE: Grave ownership > > > > At Toowong Cemetery in Brisbane, they only allow two bodies in most [not > > all] graves. We had understood that this meant that my Mum's wish to > buried > > with them was impossible. > > > > I've since spoken to the Sexton, who said that we can inter the ashes of > as > > many people as we like there, just no more bodies. He also told me that > > unless it's specified otherwise in a will, ownership generally goes to the > > eldest living child, and it's their permission that should be sought. > > > > So , that would be Mum now [she's still with us], and me when she passes > > away. > > > > My question is that, since she is the current 'owner', why would they need > > *my* permission to inter *her* ashes there? > > > > > > > > Donny [Dianne] > > > > http://au.geocities.com/donnyfay/ Henry Descendants > > http://au.geocities.com/diannefay/ Fensom Descendants > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > > ================================================================== > > "Please "do not" post virus warnings to the list. > > ================================================================== > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > ================================================================== > "Please "do not" post virus warnings to the list. > ================================================================== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi, re having to dig graves.... I know, I know, but several hours before the funeral was not the time to tell us. Cripes, if I had known I could have dug the damn thing myself. It was not that big a slope and I reckon they could have done it with a small digger, are they dingo diggers? Anyway, too late now. Uncle Matt is right down the bottom of the hill, and at least we do not have to climb in between rocks and grass and weeds to get to him. robyn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charmaine Maher" <tcandr@ihug.com.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 4:31 PM Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] RE: Grave ownership > Robyn > > You have to consider OH&S issues in this day and age. All graves are > usually dug by machine for several reasons and one of which is so that Grave > Diggers do not need to get into the grave to dig it. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <mrshaw@bigpond.com> > To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 4:17 PM > Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] RE: Grave ownership > > > > Another saga from Toowong cemetery. My old Uncle died recently and he was > > to be buried with his brother, next to their parents. All was fine until > > the early morning before the ceremony when the funeral people rang and > said > > they cannot bury him there as it is on the side of a hill and they could > not > > get the digger into the spot. I said can't you dig it by hand and they > said > > no, not allowed. Sore backs?? > > > > So I said now if a fine time to tell me, what do we do now. He is a > > catholic and wants to be buried in the catholic section, near family, blah > > blah, sob, sniffle. They must have felt bad, they originally wanted us to > > get a new grave but I told them we didn't have enough money for that, he > was > > an old soldier, etc. so they offered to give him a new grave, admittedly > > right at the bottom of the hill, poor Uncle, for the same price as the > > digging up of the old one, quite a large discount, and so they should. > > robyndehood > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Donny [Dianne]" <donfay11@bigpond.net.au> > > To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 2:22 PM > > Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] RE: Grave ownership > > > > > > > At Toowong Cemetery in Brisbane, they only allow two bodies in most [not > > > all] graves. We had understood that this meant that my Mum's wish to > > buried > > > with them was impossible. > > > > > > I've since spoken to the Sexton, who said that we can inter the ashes of > > as > > > many people as we like there, just no more bodies. He also told me that > > > unless it's specified otherwise in a will, ownership generally goes to > the > > > eldest living child, and it's their permission that should be sought. > > > > > > So , that would be Mum now [she's still with us], and me when she passes > > > away. > > > > > > My question is that, since she is the current 'owner', why would they > need > > > *my* permission to inter *her* ashes there? > > > > > > > > > > > > Donny [Dianne] > > > > > > http://au.geocities.com/donnyfay/ Henry Descendants > > > http://au.geocities.com/diannefay/ Fensom Descendants > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > > > ================================================================== > > > "Please "do not" post virus warnings to the list. > > > ================================================================== > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > > ================================================================== > > "Please "do not" post virus warnings to the list. > > ================================================================== > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > ================================================================== > Cemetery Records on line:- > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~batman/ > ================================================================== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Thanks Ann Yes you were correct. I have now contacted the Forbes Historical Society and will send off for the book on the Grenfell cem. Apparently it is headstone inscriptions only and consists of two books. Still have to confirm the cost but I think it is about $30.00. Kind regards Lyn Fogarty in Melb Researching BERRY , LAWLER, TUCKWELL, TIMMINS, FOGARTY, PEARCE, HOWELL in NSW

I found it interesting in Ireland when we visited graves that they had about 20 names on them. Obviously not all buried in the grave. I have never seen this before in Australia. Kaye www.bananatv.com/genealogy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian & Sandra Magee" <sanbri@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 9:16 AM Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] RE: Grave ownership > Hi Robyn, > > Have you approached the tenants. They may be more helpful than you think. > Might be a fellow genie. If you get your fathers ashes your dtr might be > more likely to hand over your mothers. If

Hi Robyn, Have you approached the tenants. They may be more helpful than you think. Might be a fellow genie. If you get your fathers ashes your dtr might be more likely to hand over your mothers. If they were regular church goers it is possible as I know in one case where the ashes were scattered under a tree in the church grounds because spouse's were there too. But for all researchers sake remember to tell somebody. It was only a fluke that while researching one cemetery in the Griffiths area someone overheard and told them that they knew of some in the church grounds and they were duly added to the list. The priest performed the ceremony and he had noted in his records but wherever they go it is good to tell your local society about it. Selfish I know but whenever I hear scattered to the winds I think hope someone knows. And don't trust inscriptions. I have a family at Toowong with 7 inscriptions on it but I checked with their register and one was not in the grave he had died in Rockhampton and I stumbled on this via an inquest. No inscription on the grave in Rockhampton but his name was added to the tombstone along with parents and a few of his siblings. Quite a few family arguments about people being buried somewhere but no inscription and I know people have gone to the trouble of putting one on only to find a grave elsewhere. Maybe d/c would be the answer before you add an inscription check to see which cemetery is on it and don't assume. Guess lesson here if you are going to put on inscription maybe you should add this somehow??? like bur ..... but remembered here. Maybe someone can suggest something. Failing all this maybe you can do what my nieces and nephews do (they go to their favourite place which has the most memories or their father on the special days - he was scattered at sea where he loved surfing). Go somewhere you remember fondly and I am sure you will find peace there on special days and they will probably be there with you no matter where their remains are. They might even be enjoying it all except for you being upset. And you might enjoy this too taken from a Methodist book about one of their flock "she was suddenly called into eternity by being accidentally precipitated into a cellar". Nice way of saying she fell into the cellar and died. Keep that sense of humour Robyn it will get you through this. Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: <mrshaw@bigpond.com> To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:05 PM Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] RE: Grave ownership > Re Burial of Ashes. > > My father died and was cremated. His next of kin, my mother, had to sign > for his ashes. > > When she died a few years later, I had to sign for them, but my daughter > wanted them to put them with her grandfather buried in the back yard of her > house. She was given the house when mum died, her siblings got not even a, > 'i wish them well', sentence.. > > So she wanted her grandfather AND her grandmother both put into the garden > in the back yard, together. That was what he wanted and I had no > objection at the time. Was not thinking straight really. Was it what mum > wanted? Probably. My daughter went to get the ashes box but the people > would not give it to her, she was not the next of kin, only a beneficiary > under the will. So I had to go down to Brisbane, even after faxing them to > say she could collect the box, they would not accept that as permission. I > got the box, duly signed for it, and gave it to her, thinking she would add > mum to dad in the back yard. (Never do this, people, NEVER!) > > Well, did she. No. Mum is still in the cupboard (or where ever) with my > daughter. > She has rented out the house for the last couple of years, and now has it on > the market. > > So, what do I do. Do I dig up dad, and place him in some last resting place > at the local cemetery, spread him around, put a plaque on the nearest rock > saying the ashes of so an so were put to rest here, and the date. Do I > leave him there, so that some stranger digs him up one day and shrieks in > fright. Do I get mum's ashes from my daughter and put her with dad, and > forget all about them both, and hope nobody digs them up later. I didn't > mind that my father was in the back yard when my daughter was living in the > house, but she has been gone for a year or more now, and I think that was > why she had not got round to putting mum with dad. She was not sure what to > do, knowing she was not going to live there for long...dunno. > > Do I dig dad up, take 'my' ashes from my daughter (and this may not be able > to be done pleasantly) as I own my mother's box, not her, and take both of > them to the local cemetery and do the spreading bit and put a plaque on some > rock saying the ashes were laid of both parents, this date, blah blah. > > I feel a bit lost on Christmas and Father's Day that I cannot go anywhere, > let alone to a complete stranger's house and say, hello, can i put some > flowers on my father's grave in your backyard? If I leave him there, I will > not feel comfortable about it. The next of kin should be able to decide on > the disposal of the ashes. If I decide to put dad and mum in the local > cemetery, and they said it was ok, just that it was not official and would > not be 'recorded', but I can put a notice in the local paper saying the > ashes were spread this date of so and so, so it is as official as it can be. > The cemetery is closed to burials now. I would feel more comfortable with > this if I can get some support from the list about this decision. Sorry to > do this, but I am an only child and have no one else to ask. Daughter does > not know of this option at this stage. robyndehood. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donny [Dianne]" <donfay11@bigpond.net.au> > To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 2:22 PM > Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] RE: Grave ownership > > > > At Toowong Cemetery in Brisbane, they only allow two bodies in most [not > > all] graves. We had understood that this meant that my Mum's wish to > buried > > with them was impossible. > > > > I've since spoken to the Sexton, who said that we can inter the ashes of > as > > many people as we like there, just no more bodies. He also told me that > > unless it's specified otherwise in a will, ownership generally goes to the > > eldest living child, and it's their permission that should be sought. > > > > So , that would be Mum now [she's still with us], and me when she passes > > away. > > > > My question is that, since she is the current 'owner', why would they need > > *my* permission to inter *her* ashes there? > > > > > > > > Donny [Dianne] > > > > http://au.geocities.com/donnyfay/ Henry Descendants > > http://au.geocities.com/diannefay/ Fensom Descendants > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > > ================================================================== > > "Please "do not" post virus warnings to the list. > > ================================================================== > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > ================================================================== > Cemetery Records on line:- > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~batman/ > ================================================================== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

So would I. Even if she buys a new place, there's no guarantee that your daughter will still be there 10 years - or even 5. I'd move heaven and earth to have their ashes join the remains of other relatives in the same family, and get a plaque made to that effect. In 4 or 5 generations, the family historian is going to have some tremendous headaches if you don't! Donny [Dianne] http://au.geocities.com/donnyfay/ Henry Descendants http://au.geocities.com/diannefay/ Fensom Descendants -----Original Message----- From: kaye vernon [mailto:kjvernon@bigpond.net.au] Sent: Wednesday, 19 March 2003 5:15 PM To: AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] RE: Grave ownership I think I would go and ask permission to dig up the ashes and bury them at the cemetery with other ancestors. Kaye

Donny There's 2 ways to look at that. As she is the current owner, then some cemteries state that no ones permission is required to place her ashes there. Alternatively, once your mum passes, then in their eyes, you are then the owner, hence your permission is then required to place her ashes there. Charmaine > At Toowong Cemetery in Brisbane, they only allow two bodies in most [not > all] graves. We had understood that this meant that my Mum's wish to buried > with them was impossible. > > I've since spoken to the Sexton, who said that we can inter the ashes of as > many people as we like there, just no more bodies. He also told me that > unless it's specified otherwise in a will, ownership generally goes to the > eldest living child, and it's their permission that should be sought. > > So , that would be Mum now [she's still with us], and me when she passes > away. > > My question is that, since she is the current 'owner', why would they need > *my* permission to inter *her* ashes there? > > > > Donny [Dianne] > > http://au.geocities.com/donnyfay/ Henry Descendants > http://au.geocities.com/diannefay/ Fensom Descendants > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > ================================================================== > "Please "do not" post virus warnings to the list. > ================================================================== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

thanks Kaye. point taken. robyn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kaye vernon" <kjvernon@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 5:14 PM Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] RE: Grave ownership > I think I would go and ask permission to dig up the ashes and bury them at > the cemetery with other ancestors. > Kaye > www.bananatv.com/genealogy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <mrshaw@bigpond.com> > To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > More information can be found on our Web Page for Cemetery Listings > by state and addresses for Cemeteries also. > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~batman/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I think I would go and ask permission to dig up the ashes and bury them at the cemetery with other ancestors. Kaye www.bananatv.com/genealogy ----- Original Message ----- From: <mrshaw@bigpond.com> To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com>

Hi Sandra, Even if somebody did beat you I'm glad you posted the site because this time I saw it - I have found somebody I was looking for. Thanks Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kaferal" <kaferal@hotmail.com> To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 8:32 AM Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] South Australia Cemeteriy > Someone else has probably beaten me to this, but here is a link for Centennial Park, South Australia > > http://www.centennialpark.org/rel_search.asp > > Sandra > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > More information can be found on our Web Page for Cemetery Listings > by state and addresses for Cemeteries also. > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~batman/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >