I used Gene Trans Image to obtain some photos of graves in Deniliquin and can highly reccommend them as a professional and efficient service. Within 24 hours of transferring payment I had all the photos which were a huge assistance to my family research. My emails were promptly answered in a friendly manner which made the process easy and enjoyable and the fees were very reasonable. If you want to obtain these priceless photos for your records I suggest you email Lis. The cemeteries they cover are : Mathoura & District Cemeteries; including:- Mathoura Lawn , Mathoura Pioneer,McLaurin Private Cemetery, Womboota Cemetery. Deniliquin Lawn Including:- Lawn, Children, War, Rose, Jerilderie, Deniliquin General. Barham, Koondrook Cobar. Rochester. They also do church and monument phhotos. Their email address is genetransimage@optusnet.com.au Julie

Dear Listers I have updated following pages on the Mackay Historical Society and Museum Inc. Research Website and included more information. http://www.geocities.com/ghh_mackay/bibliography/published_sources.html added following books: "Captain Tom" "The Whitsunday Islands - An Historical Dictionary" http://www.geocities.com/ghh_mackay/bibliography/school_histories.html added following book: "Reflections - Mackay Central State School - 125 year celebrations" http://www.geocities.com/ghh_mackay/bibliography/family_histories.html added following book: "Matsen Centenary 1887-1987" http://www.geocities.com/ghh_mackay/cemeteries/mackay_cemetery.html added plan of cemetery and brief history. Cheers from Glen Hall Assistant Research Officer Mackay Historical Society and Museum Inc. Po Box 1349, MACKAY QLD 4740. email: bushpig3@bigpond.com our website: http://www.geocities.com/ghh_mackay/research/research.html

Handy information for genealogy researchers. I discovered this information on the net. Can't guarantee its accuracy but looks right to me. I don't know where Northern Territory fits in. Only a few records are searchable on-line. Many Australian Libraries have some or all of them. Some are available in CD sets commercially. If you want more information on available CD's try the LDS site also try http://www.cohsoft.com.au/cohsoft/gene/cds/digger.html Regards, Russell Place Births Deaths Marriages Integrated Indexes Civil Registration Qld 1829-1919 1829-1954 1839-1939 1829-1914 Mar 1856 NSW 1788-1918 1788-1945 1788-1945 1788-1945 (births to 1918) Mar 1856 Vic 1837-1920 1837-1985 1837-1930 1836-1920 July 1853 Tas 1803-1905 1803-1919 1803-1919 1803-1899 Dec 1838 SA 1842-1922 1842-1970 1842-1937 None July 1842 WA 1829-1905 1829-1980 1829-1965 1841-1905 Sept 1841 NZ 1840-1990 1848-1990 1840-1990 None Ca. 1848

Here you are Russell http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES/ And search at: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Regards Pete. At 10:56 AM 25/05/2003 +1000, you wrote: >Peter, >Can you please tell me if there is an Archive site where one can search >past messages to this list? Do you know the URL where I can find it? > >TIA > >I find your list quite useful and have been helped several times by users. >Regards >Russell

Peter Applebee Site author/ List admin Peter, Can you please tell me if there is an Archive site where one can search past messages to this list? Do you know the URL where I can find it? TIA I find your list quite useful and have been helped several times by users. Regards Russell

Listers, We have had a request, response or compliant ( which ever you wish to apply ) from our digest users, In to the frequency that people are using the reply to button to respond to email. I am just as guilty as any, in to the over use of this function. Each time we click reply the email gets longer and longer and longer. And of our 360 odd members over a third are on Digest mode and they have the unenviable task of picking through all the layer upon layer upon layer of text looking for the latest updated text. So if possible, before you click that button think of our friends on Digest and start a fresh email. Perhaps to assist you in you reply you could add AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com to your Address book. Paste and copy the section of text you wish to relate to in your reply. I use Eudora for my email software, all I have to do is hi light the section of text I wish to relate to and click reply and it will drag the hi lighted on to my reply. I am not sure, if Outlook has this function, perhaps some can help us here. Regards Peter Applebee Site author/ List admin ============================================== Peter Applebee Elizabeth South Australia http://au.geocities.com/papplebee/ Genealogy: Chasing your own tale! ==============================================

I appreciate the various suggestions people have given me. Thank you X-Message: #2 Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:09:41 EDT From: GinaHammond@aol.com To: AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <119.23eb86a8.2bfff625@aol.com> Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] really would appreciate help Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi, I am trying to locate the burial of a John (Jack) Barr who died in about 1935/36. He married my great aunt in 1924 in Rockhampton. Recent events have meant that we need to locate were John (nickname Jack) was buried. He died in Nth Queensland and is possibly buried in Cairns, Townsville or Rockhampton ..... but there is a possility his wife may have brought him back to bury in Brisbane (most likely Nudgee). If someone knows of lists for any of these cemeteries are on line and could let me know the URL, or, has copies of indexes for any of those areas and wouldn't mind looking for his name my family & I would be extremely grateful. Kind regards, Gina NSW, Australia

Barr - maybe buried in Bne. think might be a good idea to ring Brisbane City Council and ask. robyndehood. ----- Original Message ----- From: <GinaHammond@aol.com> To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 8:09 AM Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] really would appreciate help > Hi, > > I am trying to locate the burial of a John (Jack) Barr who died in about > 1935/36. > He married my great aunt in 1924 in Rockhampton. Recent events have meant > that we need to locate were John (nickname Jack) was buried. He died in Nth > Queensland and is possibly buried in Cairns, Townsville or Rockhampton ..... but > there is a possility his wife may have brought him back to bury in Brisbane > (most likely Nudgee). > > If someone knows of lists for any of these cemeteries are on line and could > let me know the URL, or, has copies of indexes for any of those areas and > wouldn't mind looking for his name my family & I would be extremely grateful. > > Kind regards, > > > Gina > NSW, Australia > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > ================================================================== > Cemetery Records on line:- > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~batman/ > ================================================================== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Gina, I belong to a volunteer group called Random acts of genealogy kindness. We have volunteers all over the world and we go to cemeteries and search for grave and most of us will take photos etc. It may be worth your while to have a look at the site http://www.raogk.org from there just click on Australia Happy hunting Bev Bennion If you have any trouble please contact me on bevb4506@lycos.com -- --------- Original Message --------- DATE: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:09:41 From: GinaHammond@aol.com To: AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com Cc: >Hi, > >I am trying to locate the burial of a John (Jack) Barr who died in about >1935/36. >He married my great aunt in 1924 in Rockhampton. Recent events have meant >that we need to locate were John (nickname Jack) was buried. He died in Nth >Queensland and is possibly buried in Cairns, Townsville or Rockhampton ..... but >there is a possility his wife may have brought him back to bury in Brisbane >(most likely Nudgee). > >If someone knows of lists for any of these cemeteries are on line and could >let me know the URL, or, has copies of indexes for any of those areas and >wouldn't mind looking for his name my family & I would be extremely grateful. > >Kind regards, > > >Gina >NSW, Australia > > >==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== >================================================================== >Cemetery Records on line:- >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~batman/ >================================================================== > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005

Hi, I am trying to locate the burial of a John (Jack) Barr who died in about 1935/36. He married my great aunt in 1924 in Rockhampton. Recent events have meant that we need to locate were John (nickname Jack) was buried. He died in Nth Queensland and is possibly buried in Cairns, Townsville or Rockhampton ..... but there is a possility his wife may have brought him back to bury in Brisbane (most likely Nudgee). If someone knows of lists for any of these cemeteries are on line and could let me know the URL, or, has copies of indexes for any of those areas and wouldn't mind looking for his name my family & I would be extremely grateful. Kind regards, Gina NSW, Australia

From: KCottle451@aol.com To: KCottle451@earthlink.net Gretchen McCallum Enumclaw, WA, USA

----- Original Message ----- From: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 9:38 PM Subject: AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-D Digest V03 #96

----- Original Message ----- From: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-D Digest V03 #95

dont worry about em sweetie its not worth it you know you do a good job, that is what counts and hell you have a lot on youre plate now you poor thing the best of luck ----- Original Message ----- From: <batie@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 2:32 PM Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Other cemeteries on line > O.K. you've had your say, let me just say that I could have walked away > from this a month ago, but didn't. And the reason maybe why I didn't > answer your question is because of the many stuff-ups that have > happened with Telstra that could do a simple change over. > At my expence I had everything changed to a Melbourne address so that I > could continue trying to help others and look after my Father who has > dementure and a Mother who has suffered a stroke and to try and keep > her out of a nursing home I've had to undertake a carers training cause > to take care of her. > You have read everything I've said in a defencive manor and not the way > I wrote it to mean, so I'm sorry if you are un-happy, and no I'm not in > anyway trying to keep everything to myself that should be clear if you > take a look at the web page. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Trevor Rhodes <trevor@rhodes-online.net> > Date: Thursday, May 22, 2003 7:16 am > Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] > Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Other cemeteries on line > > > Ray & others, > > > > > Dear dear me, it makes me wonder if any of you ever look at the tag > > > lines at the bottom of the Cemetery pages, if you did so you > > would find > > > listings for cemeteries for every state in Australia. > > > > Sarcasm huh? I shall try to explain so that I don't get anymore of > > these > > messages from people who fail to understand what was quite simply > > an honest > > exchange between two members of this list. > > > > Ralph said he had started a project. All I did was to ask for > > clarification. > > Nothing wrong there unless you think that cemeteries are your > > exclusive > > domain. Do you really have links to 'every' online cemetery? Is > > there not > > room for others in our cemeteries? Why not encourage others, so > > that there > > is even more out there for researchers? > > > > You do a great job with this list and the website, though I can't > > see how you > > could possibly think that cemeteries are your exclusive domain. > > But > > seemingly you do or this conversation wouldn't be taking place. > > > > > Or are we wasting out time in the gathering of information and > > the time > > > it's taken in making it available to not only to folks in > > Australia but > > > to everyone no matter where they might be? > > > > It's this kind of immaturity that really gets me annoyed. There > > is absolutely > > no need to ask such a question when you damn well know the answer, > > but I'll > > answer just to be sure it gets through to you. > > > > "OF COURSE NOT RAY, YOU DO A GREAT AND NOBLE JOB. IT'S VERY > > COMMENDABLE THAT > > YOU USE YOUR OWN VALUABLE TIME AND RESOURCES TO HELP OTHERS. YOU > > DO A JOB > > THAT IS VERY NECESSARY FOR GENEALOGISTS WHO HAVE FEW RESOURCES AND > > LITTLE > > TIME TO GET OUT THERE THEMSELVES." > > > > That was _not_ sarcasm. That is exactly how I feel. The question > > though is > > something I'd expect from someone who is feeling threatened, which > > is totally > > unecessary. What were you expecting in an answer to that > > question? Did you > > think I would say 'Yes Ray, you are wasting your time. Nobody > > needs you, > > this list or access to anything to do with cemeteries.' Really, > > you amaze > > me. > > > > > Maybe it's because I wear Bifocals? Please tell me if I'm wrong? > > > > Ooooh, sarcasm again. I'm not impressed. Why do you ask such > > inane and > > totally unecessary questions? What is it you are trying to prove? > > > > > Your comments are welcome > > > > It seems not actually, or as I said earlier, this conversation > > wouldn't be > > happening. This is the second time I've been asked to explain > > myself, not > > only by the list admin, but on list as well. Last time it was > > another so > > called List Admin of yours, and when I spoke to you about, you > > couldn't even > > take the time to listen to my side of the story, but gave me > > 'they're an > > experienced List Admin and if they say it was like that then it > > was like > > that' and you wouldn't hear anymore. That attitude isn't very > > even handed. > > It smacks of an air of superiority. > > > > Quite honestly, I find this list to be very helpful and necessary, > > but if this > > is the kind of thinly veiled 'I'm the List Admin and you'll not > > tread on my > > toes' rubbish that people have to put up with, then I can do > > without it. > > > > I encourage others to take up the task of helping their fellow > > genealogists in > > gathering data and making it available. Especially in cemeteries > > and there > > is becoming a definite need for another 'outlet' if you will. At > > least then > > people will have a choice. > > > > Here's something to think about when I'm gone, which I will be by > > the time you > > get this as I have no further use for you or your policies. > > > > Why, when we are talking about the whole of Australia, are there > > so few people > > on this list? This list shoudl be so much larger. What could > > possibly keep > > them away? This is a list that should be necessary to all > > genealogists, > > after all, we al end up in cemeteries. Oh, and a little hint in > > case your > > superiority gets in the way of your understanding. No? Too > > subtle? Ok, > > that was the hint. Think about it, it may do some good. > > > > > Ray. > > > List Admin. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Reid <intohistory@optusnet.com.au> > > > Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:56 pm > > > Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] > > > Other cemeteries on line > > > > > > > >Could you clarify 'online access'? Do you mean we would be able > > > > > > > > to access > > > > the > > > > > > > > >data online or that we could contact the cemetery personell > > > > > > > > online to ask > > > > for > > > > > > > > >lookups? > > > > > > > > Hello Trevor, > > > > > > > > By 'online access' I mean that there is a capability of accessing > > > > the data > > > > online, usually by surname search. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Ralph Reid > > > > Sydney > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > > ================================================================== > > Cemetery Records on line:- > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~batman/ > > ================================================================== > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > ================================================================== > Anyone who wishes to make direct contact with Administrators > of this site may do so by Ray <batie@bigpond.net.au> > ================================================================== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Thank you for your kind words, maybe I should have thought a little more before my reply! Regards, Ray. ----- Original Message ----- From: "christene hartley" <chartley@tpg.com.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:24 PM Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Cooeee lets get a perspective here > Listers all > We have been reading notes of a friends absence and the reason for that have > been made very clear. > I for one do not EXPECT help let alone demand it of anyone. > We should be grateful for all help given.Remembering that we all have lives > away from this list.I have offered look ups for immigrants to NSW 1828 thru > 1842 and will always try to deliver asap...BUT family must come first and > for those of who work ....well guess where ....list help goes.and that is > the same for all others that offer help......BUT if we are abused on and off > list for taking time to answer....the LIST will suffer. > To our friend in Melbourne...Peace and goodwill be withyou in this very very > difficult time. > Christene > as I havesaid if I can help with immigrant arrivals 1828 to 1842 and > cemetery searches in the Illawarra > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > ================================================================== > "Please "do not" post virus warnings to the list. > ================================================================== > Hey have you updated your AntiVirus program lately ? ? > Is your AV continuously activated while online ? ? > Does your AV continue to check each and every email as it is down loaded ? ? > Does your AV continue to check every Website you inter into ? ? > Better to be safe than sorry . . . let HouseCall check out your system FREE ! > http://housecall.antivirus.com/. > other sites you might want to check out . . . > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~clifflamere/Aid/AID-VirusProtect.ht m > -this one mentioned in Missing Links Vol. 5 No. 44 http://antivirus.cai.com/ > - this one was mentioned on the Listowner List > http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_index.cfm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Listers all We have been reading notes of a friends absence and the reason for that have been made very clear. I for one do not EXPECT help let alone demand it of anyone. We should be grateful for all help given.Remembering that we all have lives away from this list.I have offered look ups for immigrants to NSW 1828 thru 1842 and will always try to deliver asap...BUT family must come first and for those of who work ....well guess where ....list help goes.and that is the same for all others that offer help......BUT if we are abused on and off list for taking time to answer....the LIST will suffer. To our friend in Melbourne...Peace and goodwill be withyou in this very very difficult time. Christene as I havesaid if I can help with immigrant arrivals 1828 to 1842 and cemetery searches in the Illawarra

O.K. you've had your say, let me just say that I could have walked away from this a month ago, but didn't. And the reason maybe why I didn't answer your question is because of the many stuff-ups that have happened with Telstra that could do a simple change over. At my expence I had everything changed to a Melbourne address so that I could continue trying to help others and look after my Father who has dementure and a Mother who has suffered a stroke and to try and keep her out of a nursing home I've had to undertake a carers training cause to take care of her. You have read everything I've said in a defencive manor and not the way I wrote it to mean, so I'm sorry if you are un-happy, and no I'm not in anyway trying to keep everything to myself that should be clear if you take a look at the web page. ----- Original Message ----- From: Trevor Rhodes <trevor@rhodes-online.net> Date: Thursday, May 22, 2003 7:16 am Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Other cemeteries on line > Ray & others, > > > Dear dear me, it makes me wonder if any of you ever look at the tag > > lines at the bottom of the Cemetery pages, if you did so you > would find > > listings for cemeteries for every state in Australia. > > Sarcasm huh? I shall try to explain so that I don't get anymore of > these > messages from people who fail to understand what was quite simply > an honest > exchange between two members of this list. > > Ralph said he had started a project. All I did was to ask for > clarification. > Nothing wrong there unless you think that cemeteries are your > exclusive > domain. Do you really have links to 'every' online cemetery? Is > there not > room for others in our cemeteries? Why not encourage others, so > that there > is even more out there for researchers? > > You do a great job with this list and the website, though I can't > see how you > could possibly think that cemeteries are your exclusive domain. > But > seemingly you do or this conversation wouldn't be taking place. > > > Or are we wasting out time in the gathering of information and > the time > > it's taken in making it available to not only to folks in > Australia but > > to everyone no matter where they might be? > > It's this kind of immaturity that really gets me annoyed. There > is absolutely > no need to ask such a question when you damn well know the answer, > but I'll > answer just to be sure it gets through to you. > > "OF COURSE NOT RAY, YOU DO A GREAT AND NOBLE JOB. IT'S VERY > COMMENDABLE THAT > YOU USE YOUR OWN VALUABLE TIME AND RESOURCES TO HELP OTHERS. YOU > DO A JOB > THAT IS VERY NECESSARY FOR GENEALOGISTS WHO HAVE FEW RESOURCES AND > LITTLE > TIME TO GET OUT THERE THEMSELVES." > > That was _not_ sarcasm. That is exactly how I feel. The question > though is > something I'd expect from someone who is feeling threatened, which > is totally > unecessary. What were you expecting in an answer to that > question? Did you > think I would say 'Yes Ray, you are wasting your time. Nobody > needs you, > this list or access to anything to do with cemeteries.' Really, > you amaze > me. > > > Maybe it's because I wear Bifocals? Please tell me if I'm wrong? > > Ooooh, sarcasm again. I'm not impressed. Why do you ask such > inane and > totally unecessary questions? What is it you are trying to prove? > > > Your comments are welcome > > It seems not actually, or as I said earlier, this conversation > wouldn't be > happening. This is the second time I've been asked to explain > myself, not > only by the list admin, but on list as well. Last time it was > another so > called List Admin of yours, and when I spoke to you about, you > couldn't even > take the time to listen to my side of the story, but gave me > 'they're an > experienced List Admin and if they say it was like that then it > was like > that' and you wouldn't hear anymore. That attitude isn't very > even handed. > It smacks of an air of superiority. > > Quite honestly, I find this list to be very helpful and necessary, > but if this > is the kind of thinly veiled 'I'm the List Admin and you'll not > tread on my > toes' rubbish that people have to put up with, then I can do > without it. > > I encourage others to take up the task of helping their fellow > genealogists in > gathering data and making it available. Especially in cemeteries > and there > is becoming a definite need for another 'outlet' if you will. At > least then > people will have a choice. > > Here's something to think about when I'm gone, which I will be by > the time you > get this as I have no further use for you or your policies. > > Why, when we are talking about the whole of Australia, are there > so few people > on this list? This list shoudl be so much larger. What could > possibly keep > them away? This is a list that should be necessary to all > genealogists, > after all, we al end up in cemeteries. Oh, and a little hint in > case your > superiority gets in the way of your understanding. No? Too > subtle? Ok, > that was the hint. Think about it, it may do some good. > > > Ray. > > List Admin. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Reid <intohistory@optusnet.com.au> > > Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:56 pm > > Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] > > Other cemeteries on line > > > > > >Could you clarify 'online access'? Do you mean we would be able > > > > > > to access > > > the > > > > > > >data online or that we could contact the cemetery personell > > > > > > online to ask > > > for > > > > > > >lookups? > > > > > > Hello Trevor, > > > > > > By 'online access' I mean that there is a capability of accessing > > > the data > > > online, usually by surname search. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Ralph Reid > > > Sydney > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > ================================================================== > Cemetery Records on line:- > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~batman/ > ================================================================== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Whoa, sorry if I stirred up a hornet's nest here, I can assure you it was entirely unintentional, and was probably caused by the too brief explanation I gave on my reply email. Here is a more full explanation. I collect data for, and compile, three Australian guides to topical, local and family history. These are: The Australian Historical Directory Guide to the Societies Guide to Publications. The last edition of Guide to Societies (GTS) was in 1997, and Guide to Publications in 1999. In March this year I arranged for data collection forms to be mailed out to all the local history, family history and genealogical societies in Australia; the data supplied by the societies on these forms will be used to compile new editions of both these. I doubt if I will ever do another edition of the Australian Historical Directory, which contains over 4,000 entries, as the cost of updating all these entries will be too much (note in this respect that I am not supported or financed by any society or organisation, apart from the assistance given by Mildura Family History Society in mailing out this year's forms) and I could not afford to do it. In the latter part of last year I was planning for these two new editions, and got to thinking about how Guide to Publications contains information only about 'offline' formats (books, CD-ROM, microforms) and wondered to myself how many cemetery records were available online. So in the few 'spare' weeks I had before setting to work on GTS I set up a database for recording cemetery records of all formats, and did a trial run looking for online sources. This trial more or less convinced me that such a project was beyond the resources and effort of just one person (me, working unaided) and so I terminated the trial and proceeded on to compiling the new edition of GTS. Which is what I reported, in effect, in my initial reply email, but not in so much detail. The new edition of 'Guide to the Societies' will be out sometime later this year (maybe around September). 'Guide to Publications' is a much harder job, and won't be out until next year. Anyone with queries about either publication can email me at intohistory@optusnet.com.au. Regards Ralph Reid Sydney -----Original Message----- From: Trevor Rhodes <trevor@rhodes-online.net> To: AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, 22 May 2003 7:21 AM Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Other cemeteries on line >Ray & others, > >> Dear dear me, it makes me wonder if any of you ever look at the tag >> lines at the bottom of the Cemetery pages, if you did so you would find >> listings for cemeteries for every state in Australia. > >Sarcasm huh? I shall try to explain so that I don't get anymore of these >messages from people who fail to understand what was quite simply an honest >exchange between two members of this list. > >Ralph said he had started a project. All I did was to ask for clarification. >Nothing wrong there unless you think that cemeteries are your exclusive >domain. Do you really have links to 'every' online cemetery? Is there not >room for others in our cemeteries? Why not encourage others, so that there >is even more out there for researchers? > >You do a great job with this list and the website, though I can't see how you >could possibly think that cemeteries are your exclusive domain. But >seemingly you do or this conversation wouldn't be taking place. > >> Or are we wasting out time in the gathering of information and the time >> it's taken in making it available to not only to folks in Australia but >> to everyone no matter where they might be? > >It's this kind of immaturity that really gets me annoyed. There is absolutely >no need to ask such a question when you damn well know the answer, but I'll >answer just to be sure it gets through to you. > >"OF COURSE NOT RAY, YOU DO A GREAT AND NOBLE JOB. IT'S VERY COMMENDABLE THAT >YOU USE YOUR OWN VALUABLE TIME AND RESOURCES TO HELP OTHERS. YOU DO A JOB >THAT IS VERY NECESSARY FOR GENEALOGISTS WHO HAVE FEW RESOURCES AND LITTLE >TIME TO GET OUT THERE THEMSELVES." > >That was _not_ sarcasm. That is exactly how I feel. The question though is >something I'd expect from someone who is feeling threatened, which is totally >unecessary. What were you expecting in an answer to that question? Did you >think I would say 'Yes Ray, you are wasting your time. Nobody needs you, >this list or access to anything to do with cemeteries.' Really, you amaze >me. > >> Maybe it's because I wear Bifocals? Please tell me if I'm wrong? > >Ooooh, sarcasm again. I'm not impressed. Why do you ask such inane and >totally unecessary questions? What is it you are trying to prove? > >> Your comments are welcome > >It seems not actually, or as I said earlier, this conversation wouldn't be >happening. This is the second time I've been asked to explain myself, not >only by the list admin, but on list as well. Last time it was another so >called List Admin of yours, and when I spoke to you about, you couldn't even >take the time to listen to my side of the story, but gave me 'they're an >experienced List Admin and if they say it was like that then it was like >that' and you wouldn't hear anymore. That attitude isn't very even handed. >It smacks of an air of superiority. > >Quite honestly, I find this list to be very helpful and necessary, but if this >is the kind of thinly veiled 'I'm the List Admin and you'll not tread on my >toes' rubbish that people have to put up with, then I can do without it. > >I encourage others to take up the task of helping their fellow genealogists in >gathering data and making it available. Especially in cemeteries and there >is becoming a definite need for another 'outlet' if you will. At least then >people will have a choice. > >Here's something to think about when I'm gone, which I will be by the time you >get this as I have no further use for you or your policies. > >Why, when we are talking about the whole of Australia, are there so few people >on this list? This list shoudl be so much larger. What could possibly keep >them away? This is a list that should be necessary to all genealogists, >after all, we al end up in cemeteries. Oh, and a little hint in case your >superiority gets in the way of your understanding. No? Too subtle? Ok, >that was the hint. Think about it, it may do some good. > >> Ray. >> List Admin. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Reid <intohistory@optusnet.com.au> >> Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:56 pm >> Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] >> Other cemeteries on line >> >> > >Could you clarify 'online access'? Do you mean we would be able >> > >> > to access >> > the >> > >> > >data online or that we could contact the cemetery personell >> > >> > online to ask >> > for >> > >> > >lookups? >> > >> > Hello Trevor, >> > >> > By 'online access' I mean that there is a capability of accessing >> > the data >> > online, usually by surname search. >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > Ralph Reid >> > Sydney > > >==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== >================================================================== >Cemetery Records on line:- >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~batman/ >================================================================== > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Trevor, we all get our feelings hurt when we try to help others sometimes. Let it go. I got a reply from someone who I had tried to help, and did hours of looking for them, that and I quote...you Aussies want everything handed to you on a silver platter - because I had said I could not find someone. Believe me, I HAD looked. They just took it the wrong way. I was stunned at the time, and still am hurt by that comment as if I had not tried to help myself at all, which is quite untrue. We are all trying to help. Some are just more trying than others. robyndehood. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trevor Rhodes" <trevor@rhodes-online.net> To: <AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 7:16 AM Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Other cemeteries on line > Ray & others, > > > Dear dear me, it makes me wonder if any of you ever look at the tag > > lines at the bottom of the Cemetery pages, if you did so you would find > > listings for cemeteries for every state in Australia. > > Sarcasm huh? I shall try to explain so that I don't get anymore of these > messages from people who fail to understand what was quite simply an honest > exchange between two members of this list. > > Ralph said he had started a project. All I did was to ask for clarification. > Nothing wrong there unless you think that cemeteries are your exclusive > domain. Do you really have links to 'every' online cemetery? Is there not > room for others in our cemeteries? Why not encourage others, so that there > is even more out there for researchers? > > You do a great job with this list and the website, though I can't see how you > could possibly think that cemeteries are your exclusive domain. But > seemingly you do or this conversation wouldn't be taking place. > > > Or are we wasting out time in the gathering of information and the time > > it's taken in making it available to not only to folks in Australia but > > to everyone no matter where they might be? > > It's this kind of immaturity that really gets me annoyed. There is absolutely > no need to ask such a question when you damn well know the answer, but I'll > answer just to be sure it gets through to you. > > "OF COURSE NOT RAY, YOU DO A GREAT AND NOBLE JOB. IT'S VERY COMMENDABLE THAT > YOU USE YOUR OWN VALUABLE TIME AND RESOURCES TO HELP OTHERS. YOU DO A JOB > THAT IS VERY NECESSARY FOR GENEALOGISTS WHO HAVE FEW RESOURCES AND LITTLE > TIME TO GET OUT THERE THEMSELVES." > > That was _not_ sarcasm. That is exactly how I feel. The question though is > something I'd expect from someone who is feeling threatened, which is totally > unecessary. What were you expecting in an answer to that question? Did you > think I would say 'Yes Ray, you are wasting your time. Nobody needs you, > this list or access to anything to do with cemeteries.' Really, you amaze > me. > > > Maybe it's because I wear Bifocals? Please tell me if I'm wrong? > > Ooooh, sarcasm again. I'm not impressed. Why do you ask such inane and > totally unecessary questions? What is it you are trying to prove? > > > Your comments are welcome > > It seems not actually, or as I said earlier, this conversation wouldn't be > happening. This is the second time I've been asked to explain myself, not > only by the list admin, but on list as well. Last time it was another so > called List Admin of yours, and when I spoke to you about, you couldn't even > take the time to listen to my side of the story, but gave me 'they're an > experienced List Admin and if they say it was like that then it was like > that' and you wouldn't hear anymore. That attitude isn't very even handed. > It smacks of an air of superiority. > > Quite honestly, I find this list to be very helpful and necessary, but if this > is the kind of thinly veiled 'I'm the List Admin and you'll not tread on my > toes' rubbish that people have to put up with, then I can do without it. > > I encourage others to take up the task of helping their fellow genealogists in > gathering data and making it available. Especially in cemeteries and there > is becoming a definite need for another 'outlet' if you will. At least then > people will have a choice. > > Here's something to think about when I'm gone, which I will be by the time you > get this as I have no further use for you or your policies. > > Why, when we are talking about the whole of Australia, are there so few people > on this list? This list shoudl be so much larger. What could possibly keep > them away? This is a list that should be necessary to all genealogists, > after all, we al end up in cemeteries. Oh, and a little hint in case your > superiority gets in the way of your understanding. No? Too subtle? Ok, > that was the hint. Think about it, it may do some good. > > > Ray. > > List Admin. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Reid <intohistory@optusnet.com.au> > > Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:56 pm > > Subject: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] Re: [[AUS-CEM]] > > Other cemeteries on line > > > > > >Could you clarify 'online access'? Do you mean we would be able > > > > > > to access > > > the > > > > > > >data online or that we could contact the cemetery personell > > > > > > online to ask > > > for > > > > > > >lookups? > > > > > > Hello Trevor, > > > > > > By 'online access' I mean that there is a capability of accessing > > > the data > > > online, usually by surname search. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Ralph Reid > > > Sydney > > > ==== AUSTRALIA-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > ================================================================== > Cemetery Records on line:- > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~batman/ > ================================================================== > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Peter, Yes, I've seen your site. Good luck with your endeavours. As I said in my original email, I think compilation of such a list is too difficult for one person unaided. Regards Ralph Reid Sydney