Some time ago some one was asking about Benevolent Societies in one of the above, I picked up today in a book sale on remainder a book called 'Poverty Abounding Charity a Plenty; The Charity Network in colonial Victoria ' by R.A.Cage. Hale and Iremonger 1992. It looks at Migrant Aid societies,Benevolent Societies, Ladies Benevolent Societies and in an appendix lists all the charitable institutions in Victoria in 1901 including thier date of establishment where known. I have only flicked through it, an academic text but worth an interlibrary loan if looking for that sort of information. Elizabeth A.Roberts

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~pobjoyoneill/ I have set up a totally new site - all my indexes will now be found through here as they go up. - but don't worry I'll announce a new one as I go. Oh and sorry for the multiple postings - just spreading the word Sue O'Neill of not so Sunny Saibai Island (now known as mudsville) (grin) The closest Australian Community to a foreign country (PNG). email = sloneill@octa4.net.au Genealogy Market place: http://www1.octa4.net.au/sloneill listowner POBJOY-L@rootsweb.com Family History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pobjoyoneill/index.htm and here's where I live http://www1.octa4.net.au/sloneill/saibai/SAIBAI.htm

Hi Gail, I checked the CD index, no births listed to those parents. At 10:07 AM 2/11/00 +1100, you wrote: >Would SKS with the SA birth records be able to do a look up for me . >I am trying to work out when the family left SA for Vic > >Thomas Samson Sutton born around 1852, I think, >Parents John Sutton and Rebecca nee Sawyer. >The boat landed 1850 > >Thanking you in advance >Gail >Bargo, NSW >PS thank you to everyone who asnwered my question on the Falkiner >Property, I will send a letter > > > > >==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== >Ray White's Vintage Phones >http://www.southernx.com.au/vintagephones/ > > >============================== >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate >your heritage! >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog Ray Hayes Hobart, Tasmania, Australia Researching HAYES, NORTON, CLAY, DEACON, DELVE, SIDNEY, McCLURE, THORNE

Ray Your your comment regarding Gary's contribution re the IGI is a bit harsh. As usual, Gary's comments were informative,accurate and helpful. He certainly didn't seem to be "knocking" the LDS, as you suggest. There's no doubt that most of us take advantage of, and appreciate the work of the LDS, but that doesn't mean that we are unaware of it's limitations. Jean _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

The paper is The Border Mail. Phone (2060) 240555. The website is www.bordermail.com.au which, I think, has a search engine. Good luck, Pauline paulineshipton@primus.com.au

Hello List, Could anyone tell me the name of a newspaper for the Albury/Wodonga area. I need to look up a paper for around the 11 August 2000 about a murder/suicide in Lavington, my cousins wife was the victim any help appreciated.

Hi all, There is a property at Hannam Vale near Taree in NSW called "Maralla' and we are trying to find out where the name came from. The original owners were the PULLEN family, and as they came from England, maybe it is an English place or word? I have a book on aboriginal place names, and it is not mentioned there. Any ideas would be appreciated. thanks chrisP -- Chris Paterson Brisbane Queensland Australia chris@thehub.com.au http://www.thehub.com.au/~chris researching: BLACKMAN (KEN Eng and NSW Aus) GARDINER (Mangotsfield Eng and NSW Aus) HARLEY (Eng) JONES (Bathurst NSW and Sussex Eng) MERRICK (London Eng and NSW Aus) MONIHAN (Co Meath IRL and NSW Aus) PATERSON (Deptford KEN Eng and Bathurst NSW Aus) RAVENSCROFT (Eng) SMITH (Bathurst NSW and London Eng)

Hi sorry to post here. Can Jacquie who sent me the Publicans information get in touch - Sue O'Neill of not so Sunny Saibai Island (now known as mudsville) (grin) The closest Australian Community to a foreign country (PNG). email = sloneill@octa4.net.au Genealogy Market place: http://www1.octa4.net.au/sloneill listowner POBJOY-L@rootsweb.com Family History: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pobjoyoneill/index.htm and here's where I live http://www1.octa4.net.au/sloneill/saibai/SAIBAI.htm

I am looking for researchers of Alfred Philip VINCE who was born 1897 in Northampton, England. Alfred VINCE was in the British Royal Navy and left Plymouth, England for Australia in 1930. He is known to have been working as a Harbour pilot in Sydney. I would be very interested in hearing from anyone who has information on this man. Diana Sydney dianaford@ozemail.com.au

G'day from WA before we get a bushfire going on this subject.I would just like to make a couple of observations, on the following messages (which are ALL correct; by the way!) Firstly I have always been told by LDS staff that the IGI are only intended as a guide as to where to search for verifiable information. Secondly as in the instance first quoted a lot of people are on the lists because a source person remembers there was an Uncle Bill but has no details. putting this person on IGI may then result in another researcher being able to tie in that person into their tree. In my own case I have no details of any Aunts or Uncles beyond the first names that I always used ( i.e. Aunt Gladys, was she Dads sister or Sister in Law, but I will list her as a relation on Dads side , in the hopes I mau in future find documents to make her one or the other,) So perhaps we should all accept IGI and many other online searches for what they all are,a source of HELP to find places to search for confirmation records of our ancestors. Just like Censuses etc they are only as much use as we make of them , misspellings, omissions and all. If we use them all together we can often find the people we seek. Also we should all try to help by answering queries, where we can , and maybe even putting our parts of the tree onto World Connect or similar to help others in their searches. I have traced my grandparents by use of UK Censuses, IGI, Ancestry Com , and a lot of list members around the world, So I know if we all pull together we can suceed,it just takes time and the ability to think laterally ewhen faced with brick walls. Happy Hunting Derek in Sunny Western Australia. -----Original Message----- From: Raymond W. M. Henderson <batman@origin.net.au> To: AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, November 03, 2000 5:30 PM Subject: Re: Any suggestions re IGI >Interesting Comment Gary, >Have you ever considered the amount of work the L.D.S. do? >And it's their to be shared by everyone, shame as it always seems to being >knocked for small mistakes or what ever but it is rare to see anyone making >comments on the positive side or thanking the L.D.S. for the amount of work they >do throughout the world. >If we joined together and helped each other towards our goals the world could be >a better place to live, but their will always be the takers and the givers sadly >the takers will always outweigh the givers. >I'm not a memeber of the L.D.S. but I do support what they do in documenting >genealogy and history. > >Raymond Henderson. > >Gary Luke wrote: > >> At 07:32 AM 3/11/00 +1100, Kay Podmore wrote: >> >> Every entry on the IGI has a source reference. You would have to follow it >> up to see where the information came from. Some that I have traced were >> taken from published books where there were minimal details (sometimes >> questionable), some IGI births are from estimates calculated from the >> probable age at marriage being 20 or 25, some are from a patron's >> unsubstantiated anecdotes about their family, and some are from actual >> original documents where the person may have been unsure of their own age >> or birth place. Some of the IGI is exactly correct but you never know which >> ones without further research. The IGI at best is only a secondary >> reference to other records. >> >> Gary >> ============ >> >> >I am wondering why there would be an inclusion in the IGI such as follows: >> >James LUCKSTONE >> > Sex: M >> >Event(s): >> > Birth: 1827 >> > Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England >> >Parents: >> > >> >How would it have come about that there is no exact date and also there are >> >no parents mentioned. >> >> ==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== >> Australian Prisoners of War >> http://www.southernx.com.au/pow.html >> >> ============================== >> The only real-time collaboration tool that allows you and other family >> members to create a FREE, password-protected family tree. >> http://www.ancestry.com/oft/login.asp > > >==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== >Ballarat History Index >http://www.southernx.com.au/ballarat1.html > > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

Cargo is a small place outside of Orange NSW. regards, Juliette Forbes NSW

An index that was created from The Victorian Public Service Board Return for 1884, published in the Argus newspaper on Monday, February 2, 1885. by listing:- surname christian name age at last birthday), DATE of first appointment, DEPARTMENT of assignment, but have omitted the SALARY, DIVISION and CLASSIFICATION in order to conserve space. Should you require these details please contact THANK YOU Robert Bateman of Melbourne, Australia

At 07:32 AM 3/11/00 +1100, Kay Podmore wrote: Every entry on the IGI has a source reference. You would have to follow it up to see where the information came from. Some that I have traced were taken from published books where there were minimal details (sometimes questionable), some IGI births are from estimates calculated from the probable age at marriage being 20 or 25, some are from a patron's unsubstantiated anecdotes about their family, and some are from actual original documents where the person may have been unsure of their own age or birth place. Some of the IGI is exactly correct but you never know which ones without further research. The IGI at best is only a secondary reference to other records. Gary ============ >I am wondering why there would be an inclusion in the IGI such as follows: >James LUCKSTONE > Sex: M >Event(s): > Birth: 1827 > Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England >Parents: > >How would it have come about that there is no exact date and also there are >no parents mentioned.

It is easy to find the extracted records when using the old IGI Fiche. In the number columns off to the right of the information, information extracted from birth/christening records will be preceeded by a "c" and information from marriage records by an "m". There are other symbols, but not as exact. Extracted records are read and entered twice (by two separate readers) They are then matched by a third person, and if they are not identical then the third person attempts to reconcile the problem. Thus the three combined are likely to do as good a job of reading the old records as a concerned descendant would be able to do, unless one is very learned in the handwriting and names of the era. Unfortunately, the computer is not as friendly in displaying this identification. Alas for progress. Barb Rice - Lafayette IN

JONES Henry: England or New Zealand to Truro and Swan Reach, Sth Australia (m) BURN Bridgett (ch) Elizabeth: Henry James. JONES Henry James: South Australia (m) BATH Florence Eva (ch) George (m) PATEY: Cecil (m) GRAY: Nell (m) GLOVER & CASEY: Hilda (m) MILLINGTON: May: Ruby (m) RITTER: James (m) COOPER: Ruth (m) POULISH: Laurel (m) ANDERSON: Maurice (m) LUNNAY. BATH Joseph of Cambridge, Eng to Blanchetown, South Australia (m) O'SHAUGHNESSY Mary #1 (ch) John: James (m) JONES #1 HARDINGHAM #2: Joseph (m) KUHNEUT: Russell (m) CONNOR: Ellen: Elizabeth (m) BLAND: David: Henry: George (m) CONNOR: Murray. BATH Joseph of Cambridge, Eng to Blanchetown, South Australia (m) COLLINS Mary #2 (ch) Florence (m) JONES: William: John: Frederick: Arthur (m) HUGHEN: Robert: Mark. BATH John of Cambridge, Eng to Mount Pleasant, South Australia (m) RUSSELL Elizabeth (ch) Joseph (m) O'SHAUGHNESSY & COLLINS: William (m) HULL: Sarah (m) HAMILTON: Mary (m) STANLEY: Russell (m) HOWLETT (nee CAVENDAR). Can any one connect up to any of these families, would love to hear from them. Cheers, Gay & Bob from wet, wet Sunshine Coast, Q'land.

RITTER Ernest of Lautenthal, Germany to Moonta, Callington, South Australia (m) BISHOP Eilzabeth (ch) Isabell (m) BURNELL: Ernest Emil: Ernest William: Friederich (m) BUSCOMBE: Albert: Richard (m) BARR: Priscilla (m) MARTIN: Editha (m) WHITE: Alice: Otto (m) DIXON: Percey (m) DREWLETT: Elsie: Elsie Jane. BARR John of Scotland & Portsmouth, England (m) PAWLEY Mary Jane (ch) George A F (went to Sth Aust): Susanna: George W: William (may have come to Sth Aust): Editha (m) RITTER (in W Aust but lived Sth Aust.) BISHOP Richard of Kent, Eng (m) MERCER Marie V J (ch) Richard (m) FORWARD (come to Moonta, Sth Aust): Priscilla (m) FRANKS #1 (come to Sth Aust) (m) CHALLENOR #2. BISHOP Richard of Northampton, Eng to South Australia (m) FORWARD Elizabeth (ch) Elizabeth (m) RITTER in Moonta, Sth Aust: Richard (m) HERBERT in Clare, Sth Aust: Charles (m) FRANCIS of Kadina, Sth Aust. RITTER Heinrich of Harz, Germany to Callington, South Australia (m) PFENNIG Johanna (ch) Christian (m) KUCHEL of Murray Bridge, Sth Aust: Otto (m) ? of Kadina, Sth Aust: Adolph (m) EDERT of Adelaide, Sth Aust: August (m) CHAMPION of Sth Aust: Christian (m) DODD of Broken Hill, Sth Aust: Ernest (m) BISHOP of Moonta, Sth Aust: Friedericke (m) ? of Adelaide, Sth Aust: Christian. If any one can relate to any of these families, I would love to hear from you, cheers, Gay & Bob of wet & sunny Sunshine Coast, Q'land.

Interesting Comment Gary, Have you ever considered the amount of work the L.D.S. do? And it's their to be shared by everyone, shame as it always seems to being knocked for small mistakes or what ever but it is rare to see anyone making comments on the positive side or thanking the L.D.S. for the amount of work they do throughout the world. If we joined together and helped each other towards our goals the world could be a better place to live, but their will always be the takers and the givers sadly the takers will always outweigh the givers. I'm not a memeber of the L.D.S. but I do support what they do in documenting genealogy and history. Raymond Henderson. Gary Luke wrote: > At 07:32 AM 3/11/00 +1100, Kay Podmore wrote: > > Every entry on the IGI has a source reference. You would have to follow it > up to see where the information came from. Some that I have traced were > taken from published books where there were minimal details (sometimes > questionable), some IGI births are from estimates calculated from the > probable age at marriage being 20 or 25, some are from a patron's > unsubstantiated anecdotes about their family, and some are from actual > original documents where the person may have been unsure of their own age > or birth place. Some of the IGI is exactly correct but you never know which > ones without further research. The IGI at best is only a secondary > reference to other records. > > Gary > ============ > > >I am wondering why there would be an inclusion in the IGI such as follows: > >James LUCKSTONE > > Sex: M > >Event(s): > > Birth: 1827 > > Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England > >Parents: > > > >How would it have come about that there is no exact date and also there are > >no parents mentioned. > > ==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== > Australian Prisoners of War > http://www.southernx.com.au/pow.html > > ============================== > The only real-time collaboration tool that allows you and other family > members to create a FREE, password-protected family tree. > http://www.ancestry.com/oft/login.asp

I am trying to find out about the travel arrangements of a family that came out from Scotland between 1860 and 1873 and returned, minus the husband who died in Gippsland in 1873, to appear on the 1881 census. I cannot find them on the shipping lists for NSW or Victoria that you can access electronically through the state libraries. I can't say that I know the wife and children came out - although that would be unusual. All I know is that he is dead in Gippsland and his family is in Scotland in 1881. Any thoughts? Elizabeth Leicester, UK

JOHNSON Jeremiah: England to Tasmania, (Convict) (m) RAVEN Mary Anne (ch) Jeremiah: Martha: unnamed son (Thomas ?): Samuel: Joseph: Jeremiah: Matthew: Mary. JOHNSON Thomas: Port Frederick, Tasmania. (m) MUNDAY Sophia (ch) Martha: Tobias: Jabeth: William: Hanna: Mary; Philip: Harriet: Charlotte: Amos: Arthur. JOHNSON Jabeth Samuel: Devonport, Tasmania. (m) KING Louisa Alice (ch) Charles: Albert: Roy: Elsie: Percey: Stanley: Lilly: Daphne: Robert: Flossie: Albert. KING George James: Sommerset, Eng: Toowoomba, Q'land, Smithton, Tasmania. (m) HALL Sarah (ch) Charles: Louisa: Frederick: Harry: George: Albert. MUNDAY William James: Oxford, Eng. Port Sorell, Tasmania. (m) BAKER Anne (ch) Sarah: Sophia: Susan: Richard: William: Susan: Harriet: Susan: John: Martha: Charlotte. BAKER Sophia (widow) Oxforshire, Eng. Tasmania. (m) MARSHALL Enoch (ch) William: Harriet: William: Anne: Admund: Sophia: William: David: Harriet. Can any one connect up to any of these. Gay of wet, wet Sunshine Coast, droughts broken. warlord@caloundra.net

KING: HALL: ARMSTRONG Cheers, Gay of wet, wet Sunshine Coast.