Calling all Listers, Just for a bit of interest I have decided to try to trace the descendant tree of one Frederick Ward (a.k.a. Thunderbolt). I think I know all the easy stuff but would be interested to hear from anyone who has already done any of this research. There were three children survived his death and it is highly likely that none of them continued on into adulthood with the surname Ward - most likely because of an official or unofficial adoption as their mother was also deceased. Any and all assistance gratefully received. Thank you, Peter Wratten. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

Would the lady researching this name please contact me.....I can pass your name onto another Alderdice researcher. regards Denise ###################################### Denise Marriott McMahon - ex Melbourne 21 years Brisbane Queensland - Searching - CONWAY - County Clare and N.E. Victoria MCNEIL - Isle of Skye Scotland and Victoria GREEN - Tasmania CRAWFORD, NE Victoria, USA, Ireland, Scotland HAEFFNER, NE Victoria, Germany HALL, Victoria, England MARRIOTT, Victoria, England PINNER, Tasmania, Victoria, England JENKS, Melbourne, Lismore NSW and NH USA, Victoria and NSW Australia FOSTER, Rutland Ma USA and Keene NH USA NOONAN - Ireland and Australia???? ###############################################

Hi All There was apparently a Shepherd's Bush in Sydney. Have a look at Banjo Patterson's poem "Uncle Bill", which is on-line. He talks about the gangs of Surrey Hills and Shepherd's Bush. I'd never heard of it before, I must admit. You learn something new every day. It must have been somewhere around Central Railway. Jean ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi. Just arrived on this List and saw the above message from Jean Pearce. Shepherd's Bush appears to have been in the Botany Bay area -- at least the area had a Shepherd's Bush Coursing Ground used for greyhound racing. This would tie in with Banjo's reference to "gangs" as they were a common feature at racecourses in the good old/bad old days (at least in the UK). The following is an extract from the City of Botany Bay site www.botanybay.nsw.gov.au/history.html under the heading "Sport and Entertainment". <<<The local love of racing extended to horses and greyhounds. The district was well served by racetracks. Ponies went through their paces at the Ascot and Rosebery Racecourses, while the Shepherd's Bush Coursing Ground held greyhound races. Later, motor bikes and planes took over from the horses and dogs. In the 1930s, bike riders, barnstormers and races organised by New South Wales Aero Club got top billing.>>> There is no date given for the Coursing Ground and no sign of it in my "Gregory" suburban maps, nor on the Whereis Street Atlas site at www.whereis.com.au/ "Uncle Bill" was penned in 1888 so we know the gang were operating prior to that date. We have a site in the UK which is very handy for old maps circa 1860, scale six inches to the mile. www.old-maps.co.uk/ Something similar covering Sydney and suburbs would probably give the answer ---- anything available ? Failing that, if SKS in Botany Bay could spare half an hour in the main library or made contact with the New South Wales Aero Club I'm sure an answer to the mystery could be found. Perhaps the tarmac at Sydney Airport (Kingsford-Smith) covers the old Coursing Ground. By the way, thanks for two magnificent Olympic Games. I'm now off to watch the Scotland v Australia football match tonight --- supporting both teams so I cannot lose! Regards, Andy (Dalgety Bay, Fife, Scotland)

they had the CMF right up to when conscription was introduced to send boys to Vietnam ----- Original Message ----- From: Topperwien, Bruce <Bruce.Topperwien@dva.gov.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 1:08 Subject: RE: Citizen Army of the Commonwealth > It was the equivalent of what is now called the Army Reserve. > > Bruce Topperwien > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Bentley [SMTP:pmg_bentley@7fairview.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, 14 November 2000 6:16 > To: AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Citizen Army of the Commonwealth > > My father-in-law, Charles Cecil Cave was appointed Lieutenant in the > 'Active > Citizen Military Forces of the Commonwealth' on 26 Sept 1930 under > the seal > of the then Governor General of Australia, Baron Stonehaven. > > Was this the regular army of Australia, or some kind of reserve > force, say a > territorial army reserve? > > I would be grateful if anyone can give an answer? > > Peter Bentley > > ______________________________ > > > ==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== > Ballarat History Index > http://www.southernx.com.au/ballarat1.html > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > >

Good afternoon list, I am helping a non computer user to track down some family members. The family name we are searching are descendants of Francis (Frank) Watts and Charlotte Breeze. This couple were married in All Saints Church Parramatta on 25 June 1887. Any information regarding descendants or any other connections would be appreciated. Evidently in this line there was a tendency to call some of the males Francis or Frank with an occasional second name of Charles or George. This makes one feel like hitting their head on a wall. No doubt this is an afflication that most family tree searchers are prone to. Again, any information no matter how trivial, would be appreciated. If there is someone who has a direct link to this family, we are only too happy to share information. Thank you in advance Glenn gwoof@netspace.net.au

Hi everyone, I thought I would put one last call out for anyone who knew or is related to Celia Madden or Nina Bugden. Celia was born in Port Dunblar in 1900 and died 1973, she married Michael O'Meara and they had four daughters and one son. The family lived in Young and then later Meadowbank but I know that they had relis in Queensland also. I believe they also had relatives in NSW country as well as Victoria. I know that Celia was related in some way with the Doyle family as well and that they had relations in Tully. I would really love to hear from anyone that has any information on any of the above. Best regards Maureen

seeking to make contact with family of Zillah Coleman, born 1916, dau of Athol G and Mary Coleman, married Geo Patrick Cameron in 1937at Newtown. many thanks Jenny Fawcett

Hi, If anyone is connected to any of these surnames, I would love to hear from you. These surnames are connected with Creswick, Mt. Egerton, Gordon, Geelong, Springmount VIC and Broken Hill, NSW and are all interlinked with each other. KAY, SONSEE/SOUSE/SONSIE/SONSE, DONOVAN, CULPIN, BOND, BIRCH, BOMBARDIERE, MONEGHETTI, NAGEL, MURNANE, PIANTA, TAYLOR, McFADDEN, TRETHOWAN, GRADY, BLUNDEY, STEWART, ARKLAY, WHATMORE, O'MEARA, Kind regards Julie Clift Kalgoorlie/Boulder, Western Australia My Websites: England to Australia - http://www.angelfire.com/ne/roots * Home of the RENTON Surname World Wide - http://renton1.homestead.com * Tracking Our Family Footsteps through time in Australia: BDM's site. http://www.angelfire.com/ns/aust

Hi Vin I believe you will find that,in a family, each spouse is next-of-kin to the other. The parents are next-of-kin to each child. If a spouse dies, the children become next-of-kin to the surviving parent. On the death of both parents all siblings are next-of-kin to one another. According to my Brittanica :- In law, the term "next of kin" is applied to the person or persons who, as being in the nearest degree of blood relationship to a person dying intestate, share, accordingly to degree in his personal estate. Jean _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

Hi All If anyone else would like to enjoy Banjo Patterson's "Uncle Bill, A Larrikin's Lament" the URL is :- http://www.uq.oz.au/~mlwham/banjo/uncle_bill.html Jean _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

It was the equivalent of what is now called the Army Reserve. Bruce Topperwien -----Original Message----- From: Peter Bentley [SMTP:pmg_bentley@7fairview.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 14 November 2000 6:16 To: AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Citizen Army of the Commonwealth My father-in-law, Charles Cecil Cave was appointed Lieutenant in the 'Active Citizen Military Forces of the Commonwealth' on 26 Sept 1930 under the seal of the then Governor General of Australia, Baron Stonehaven. Was this the regular army of Australia, or some kind of reserve force, say a territorial army reserve? I would be grateful if anyone can give an answer? Peter Bentley ______________________________

Hello Everyone, I apoglise for sending this, but l am looking for the Jennifer L Evans,last known addres living in Glen Waverley,she has details about my family(WITHAM) and l would like to exchange information with her. If anyone knows of her whereabouts, would you kindly pass on my email address to her please. Thankyou. Kerry in Churchill, Australia, bennett@nex.net.au

Deat List, I have found some new names in my RICKARD family tree. Does anyone have a connection to these people? All Victoria. FOUNTAIN Arthur Ernest mar. Clara IRELAND 1908 (Berwick area) ALLOTT Thomas Charles mar. Edith Emily IRELAND c.1920's (Melb. area) JOHNSON Stephen mar. Annie IRELAND c. 1920's (Benalla area) FIDDLER Geo. Alfred mar. Ivy Pearl SHEILLS 1900's LYTE Phillip Chas mar. Robina RICKARD 1920 (Melb. area) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Joy Bell Nathalia, Victoria joybell@hdc.com.au Researching the following families LAWFORD - Victoria from London BALDWIN - Victoria/NSW from Suffolk, Eng. RICKARD - Victoria from Cornwell GRIFFITHS Thomas - Victoria from Gloucestershire

Kingstone see Newtown and Camperdown - source for this info is 1890 Sands Po Directory, Kerosene Bay see St Leonards, West Kingston see Petersham, Wenthworthville see Prospect and Sherwood, Victoria (from Lavender Bay Mount St Edward St, to Berry's Bay,) Druitt Town see Strathfield, Redmyre see Strathfield, Everleigh see Redfern, Helsarmel see Leichhardt, Elswick see Leichhardt, Burlington see Rockdale, Burketown see Fivedock Jill -----Original Message----- From: Marg Morters <margm@afscc.com> To: AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 5:36 PM Subject: Odd NSW BDM Rego area names ?? >Dear Listers > > I know the County of Cumberland covers the greater Sydney area but >where was Central Cumberland , Kingston and St George before 1888 >????? I guess Arncliffe could be St George but what of the other 2 >??? > >H E L P please > >TIA > >Bye > Marg Morters >Central Coast Family History Society > GOSFORD > NSW > Australia > > > >==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== >Free test drive of "Palm Tree" for the Palm Pilot >The first world genealogy program for the Palm Pilot >Written in Australia ! >Send an email to john@southernx.com.au > > >============================== >The easiest way to stay in touch with your family and friends! >http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST1 >

At 02:09 PM 14/11/00 GMT, jean pearce wrote: >There was apparently a Shepherd's Bush in Sydney.Have a look at Banjo >Patterson's poem "Uncle Bill", which is on-line. He talks about the gangs of >Surrey Hills and Shepherd's Bush. I'd never heard of it before, I must >admit. You learn something new every day. It must have been somewhere around >Central Railway. Maybe ..... William Shepherd had a grant in the Darlington area. He established a flower and fruit growing farm known as "Shepherd's Darling Nursery", possibly named in honour of Gov Darling, so the district came to be known as Darlington. It would have been fairly close to the first central station which was near Cleveland St in the 1850s. Some of the streets are named for his nursery - Shepherd St, Pine, Myrtle, Rose, Vine, and Ivy Streets. If Shepherd's Bush was in the inner Sydney belt, the Sydney City Archives would have information, mainly council records from about the 1860s to the 1940s. Gary =================== Gary Luke feraltek@zeta.org.au fax +61-2-9519-9907 Sydney, Australia

To all those on the list that I may not have sent emails personally, THANK YOU all so much for the information on WHITE BAY. Everyone has been so helpful Thanks again Lee Lee Mills North Nowra N.S.W. Australia

Hello Vin, I have no 'qualifications' but my understanding is that ALL children would be the next of kin. We have no order of inheritance in Australia and all siblings are treated equally. If you read the order of inheritance if a person died interstate you will see that there is no preference to gender or seniority only relationships counts. Mary > Hi All, > could SKS who has a interest in family law (in Australia)please tell me > who is the next of kin to the parents in a mixed gender family.Is it the > eldest child or the eldest son? > I apologize if I am out of order on this list. > Kindest Regards to all. > Vin Beriman.

Seeking Decendents of James Bond and Mary Carpenter, married in Somerset England in 1801.They had four children Thomas,John,James and William Carpenter Bond ( not necassarily in that order ).We are related to William born in England,but moved to Australia.He was the pound keeper in Benalla Victoria and died there in 1950. Anyone with info. on any of the family please contact: Barb Hedley at pemijonpss@vic.australis.com.au Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------ InterNet Australis http://www.australis.com.au/

Dear Listers I know the County of Cumberland covers the greater Sydney area but where was Central Cumberland , Kingston and St George before 1888 ????? I guess Arncliffe could be St George but what of the other 2 ??? H E L P please TIA Bye Marg Morters Central Coast Family History Society GOSFORD NSW Australia

I am looking for William Henry DOYLE, born 1891 in Forbes . However that is all I know about the man. Would appreciate any info. Thanks. Bernie.