At 09:39 AM 29/11/00 +1100, Dick Monks wrote: Dick >> It raises a whimsical question - how many people have lived in >> Australia since 1788? >Now thats a challenge I cant resist! >I reckon the number of people who have been permanent residents of Australia >since 1788 to be between 40 and 60 million, as follows:- You've got an interesting approach to the question. I couldn't think of where to begin to calculate it, but yours is a decent starting point. I knitted some numbers into Excel in front of TV during the news. "When Was That - Chronology of Australia" has estimated population for each year from 1788 to 1987. Total of the annual population for the first 200 years is about 863 million, but there's a few years missing for a few states in the colonial era. On a graph it's a set of fairly linear growth lines. There's two break points where the mean rate of population increase changes - early 1850 & about 1947. WW1 shows up as population decrease for a couple of years. 1912/13 has a very large increase - was there a heavily publicised migrant assistance scheme? The graph looks a bit more parabolic than exponential, but definitely not constant linear. The area under the graph is about half that under a straight line from zero to 20 million. You were a bit out with your estimate of 10,250,000 per year. The final population for 1987 is 16,248,800. Using the mean increase during 1982 to 1987 to extrapolate the population to the current year gives a population in 2000 of 19,323,879, and a total for 212 years of 1,094,944,480. Dividing that by 212 years gives approx 5,165,000 per year, about half your estimated average of 10,250,000. (This tallys with the visual estimate of the area under the two graphs.) I think 45 year average time in Australia is a bit high. In the colonial period many migrant adults lived only a couple of decades after arrival, and many children died before 10. WW1 shortened a lot of lives to less than 30. Post WW2 family migration includes a lot of grandparents. If average time in Australia was 35 it would mean that about 32 million people have lived in Australia. That's only about 65% more than currently live here. If time here was an average of 45 years then only 5 million more than the current population have lived here. By the way, is this really a valid method? Does the Bureau of Statistics have a web site? Gary =================== Gary Luke feraltek@zeta.org.au fax +61-2-9519-9907 Sydney, Australia

Hi Karen, Have you tried "Link Up" PO Box 93 Lawson NSW 2783 Ph. 02 4759 1911. email : link-up@nsw.link-up.org.au This is an organisation that works with Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people who have been separated from their families. Also have a look at AIATSIS Family History Unit web site http://www.aiatsis.gov.au Regards Pat

I am researching any descendants and also ancestors of Walter Brown, father - John Brown, mother Mary UNK. he was born in England 1888, m. to Clara Bridget Caroline NORTON in London 1902 and migrated to Australia in 1912. they had 2 surviving children, Harold, and Kate (my mother). I am looking for descendants of Harold Brown, first wife was Paulina Elizabeth Haewig Pearce, their children were Dulcie and Nancy, and his second wife was Sylvia Churches and their children were Michael and Jacqueline (twins). any help much appreciated Mae

Hi.List Is there a site for people who have enlisted in the RAAF.? Barrie

Excuse the multiple posting for those listers on more than one. Just recently I had replies from two requests for help/information. I would like to thank those many people who answered these queries. Should I have not got around to answering privately, please accept my sincere thanks here. I asked about Spring Creek in north eastern Victoria and was supplied with some great information - Thank you all I also received help regarding missing details on friends mother. On her behalf I say thank you......she has a whole lot to digest. Denise ###################################### Denise Marriott McMahon - ex Melbourne 21 years Brisbane Queensland - Searching - CONWAY - County Clare and N.E. Victoria MCNEIL - Isle of Skye Scotland and Victoria GREEN - Tasmania CRAWFORD, NE Victoria, USA, Ireland, Scotland HAEFFNER, NE Victoria,Leibenstadt Baden Germany KRAEMER, Leibenstadt Baden Germany HALL, Victoria, England MARRIOTT, Victoria, England PINNER, Tasmania, Victoria, England JENKS, Melbourne, Lismore NSW and NH USA, Victoria and NSW Australia FOSTER, Rutland Ma USA and Keene NH USA NOONAN - Ireland and Australia???? ###############################################

Hello fellow listers, My daughter would like to trace relatives on her fathers side. He was in Nudgee home/orphanage from @ 1944-1958. I know his name and siblings names, some people her Dad's(white) fathers side but very little about her Grandmother's side. I will not mention names here as it may be sensitive but she would like to know more about how to trace her people and more about the home itself. If info is sensitive I can supply people with her email addy. Regards Karen Bell

Mary and listers, Hi there I have found this URL. It lists, amongst many ships, the Austral. I have copied and pasted the introduction, plus the reference to the Austral. Sorry for the length however, I felt that it was important. Hope that this will answer some of your query Mary. Lots more to checkout if you wish to either copy and paste the url onto your internet site, or just click { HYPERLINK "http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/orient.html" }http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/orient.html The Fleets Orient Steam Navigation Company/Orient-Royal Mail Line/Orient Line Although chartered steamers were run to Australia in 1877, the Orient Steam Navigation Company, formed by Anderson, Anderson & Company, in conjunction with the Pacific Steam Navigation Company (PSNCo), came into being in 1878. In 1906 PSNCo was acquired by the Royal Mail Steam Packet Company and the service became known as the Orient-Royal Mail Line but this arrangement terminated in 1909. In 1919 the Peninsular & Oriental Steam Navigation Company (P&O) acquired a controlling interest in the Orient Line. The Australia service was extended to New Zealand in 1938. In 1965 P&O acquired the whole of the Orient Line shareholding and the company became a P&O subsidiary. The Orient Line name was dropped in 1966 and thenceforward disappeared. Routes. 1877 London - Plymouth - via the Cape (no call) - Melbourne - Sydney - Adelaide - Suez Canal - London. 1878 calls at Capetown introduced. 1881 Outward sailings to Australia were alternately via Suez and Cape of Good Hope. 1883 Cape voyages discontinued and the route became London - Gibraltar - Port Said - Suez - Colombo - Albany - Adelaide - Melbourne - Sydney. 1890 Naples added as port of call. 1919 some sailings extended to Brisbane. 1933 Palma and Toulon added to some sailings. 1938 Auckland added beyond Sydney. 1954 Trans Pacific route started - Sydney - Auckland - Suva - Honolulu - Victoria BC - San Francisco. 1958 Joint P&O-Orient Line introduced to Australia and trans- Pacific. Austral 1881 - 1902 in 1884 chartered to Anchor Line for 7 months (Liverpool - NY service), 1902 scrapped at Genoa – tonnes - 5,524 Cheers, Dawn, Watsonia, Vic.

Hello Mary. There was a steamship named Austral which sank in Neutral Bay , Sydney Harbour, on 11.11.1882. She took a heavy list when coaling, and water poured into her with the loss of 5 lives. She was refloated in Febraury 1883 but I don't know what happened to her after that. Hope this helps. Regards Shirley McLeod ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary O'Brien <maryob@cqnet.com.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 3:27 PM Subject: Shipping > > Would anyone have any information on the ship 'AUSTRAL' that reached Sydney > in possibly June 1899 or again in December 1899. > > Also an unknown Orient Steam ship that arrived in August 1900. > > Regards, > > Mary > > > ==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== > Ray White's Vintage Phones > http://www.southernx.com.au/vintagephones/ > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >

No Kathleen Murray is confusing Sandhurst with Sandridge which is now known as Port Melbourne. Sandhurst is the old name for Bendigo Regards Kenneth Clark Murray Barnet wrote: > Kathleen. > Going from Memory, Around the time you are looking at, in Melbourne around > the Port Mebourne/ St Kilda area somewhere used to be called Sandhurst. > Sorry can't remember excatly where, the old railway bridge that goes across > the Yarra River was called the Sandhurst bridge. > Murray > -----Original Message----- > From: Kathleen Bell <katie13@optushome.com.au> > To: AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Wednesday, 29 November 2000 9:07 > Subject: Where is,was Sandhurst? > > >Hi all > >One of my husbands ancestors was born at Sandhurst in 1856 but we cannot > >find Sandhurst in the road atlas.Does anyone know where it is? > >Regards > >Kathy > > > > > >==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== > >Guidelines for the Conference of Australian History > >http://www.southernx.com.au/rootsweb.html > > > > > >============================== > >The only real-time collaboration tool that allows you and other family > >members to create a FREE, password-protected family tree. > >http://www.ancestry.com/oft/login.asp > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== > Free test drive of "Palm Tree" for the Palm Pilot > The first world genealogy program for the Palm Pilot > Written in Australia ! > Send an email to john@southernx.com.au > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog

Kathleen. Going from Memory, Around the time you are looking at, in Melbourne around the Port Mebourne/ St Kilda area somewhere used to be called Sandhurst. Sorry can't remember excatly where, the old railway bridge that goes across the Yarra River was called the Sandhurst bridge. Murray -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen Bell <katie13@optushome.com.au> To: AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, 29 November 2000 9:07 Subject: Where is,was Sandhurst? >Hi all >One of my husbands ancestors was born at Sandhurst in 1856 but we cannot >find Sandhurst in the road atlas.Does anyone know where it is? >Regards >Kathy > > >==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== >Guidelines for the Conference of Australian History >http://www.southernx.com.au/rootsweb.html > > >============================== >The only real-time collaboration tool that allows you and other family >members to create a FREE, password-protected family tree. >http://www.ancestry.com/oft/login.asp >

Hi All Is there anyone out there who has done the History of Monuments Unit in the Local History Grad Dip at UNE this year? If so would love to hear from you. Beryl O'Gorman Greensborough Victoria Australia What's your story? Wordweavers Weaving your memories Weaving your stories http://www.wordweavers.net

Hi all One of my husbands ancestors was born at Sandhurst in 1856 but we cannot find Sandhurst in the road atlas.Does anyone know where it is? Regards Kathy

I could not figure out what subject to give this message so gave up. This is, again, to thank all those who answered my flurry of burial queries in Sydney. I received encouragement, tips, advice and firm information. All has helped and I am now ready for my holiday in Oz. Will let you all know how outstanding successful I was when I return in January. Many thanks. Elizabeth Leicester, UK

----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise McMahon" <helendmc@powerup.com.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 27 November 2000 20:44 Subject: Re: Re Lilllian Sennett Hi Denise > > I am going to post the names in the hope someone is able to pinpoint this > missing mother. > > Lillian SENNETT born we gather around 1905-1910 (according to D/c, in > Bathurst) Were any SENNETTS at all born here around this time ?? On the scale of surnames SENNETTs not a common one. Only 25 come up in my ( out of date) phone CD. 11 of them in VIC the rest scattered died 1947 in Quirindi NSW > married Thomas BOURKE in 1937 in Tamworth. Do witnesses names offer any clue ? > Had one daughter in 1946. Nine years is a fairly long time ???? Perhaps he served in WW2 ????? Daughter is no mystery. Mother's birth marriage > and anything else - big mystery. Mother died 6 months after friends birth. Does her death cert offer any clue ? Possible to find out who paid for the burial plot/ funeral ? > Possible parents for mother are James SENNETT and Wilma PATTON > There appears no records in BDM NSW, for birth or marriage. Nothing appears > anywhere. And she has checked ALL States BDMs ?? Wilmas not a common first name There are 2 x James SENNETT births in the Aus VR CDs, One in 1870 NSW and the other 1871 in VIC. No Wilma PATTON found. so maybe b in Qld and SA or from overseas My friend has just returned from about 2 weeks research all the > way from Sydney out to Bathurst and up to the border of QLD She just hasnt looked under the right stone yet ! Bye Marg Morters Central Coast Family History Society GOSFORD NSW Australia

so im not the only one....silent night.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Raymond W. M. Henderson. <batman@origin.net.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 4:28 PM Subject: Re: No mail? > Maybe we should start singing Christmas Carols?............LOL > > Jones wrote: > > > Same here Joy. I'm lost Susan > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Joy Bell <joybell@hdc.com.au> > > To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, 27 November 2000 1:41 > > Subject: No mail? > > > > > Is anyone experiencing the same problem as me? > > > Not had any mail for 24 hrs & am subscribed to 3 lists > > > I have withdrawal symptoms!! > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > Joy Bell > > > Nathalia, Victoria > > > joybell@hdc.com.au > > > Researching the following families > > > LAWFORD - Victoria from London > > > BALDWIN - Victoria/NSW from Suffolk, Eng. > > > RICKARD - Victoria from Cornwell > > > GRIFFITHS Thomas - Victoria from Gloucestershire > > > > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== > > > Sydney Morning Herald Deaths > > > Compiled by the Dead Persons Society > > > http://www.southernx.com.au/dps/ > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > The only real-time collaboration tool that allows you and other family > > > members to create a FREE, password-protected family tree. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/oft/login.asp > > > > > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== > > Australian Prisoners of War > > http://www.southernx.com.au/pow.html > > > > ============================== > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > > ==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== > Ballarat History Index > http://www.southernx.com.au/ballarat1.html > > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

Hello John, I'm still getting list mail OK but in past 24 hours several eople have sent messages that they aren't. Can this be a fault at the list end? At least one Joy Bell has server problems I know as her server has sent me 7 identical messages since yesterday to say they cannot deliver message to her. Despite having delivered itand also passing her reply to me. Hoping you may be able to sort out their problems , as we all enjoy the list and it is sad top miss out. Derek

Bill and Terri, you could contact Singleton Family History Society at: http://www.xroyvision.com.au/singleton/sfhspage.htm as they may be able to help you with your cemetery queries. regards, Juliette in Forbes NSW You wrote in part: >There are two burials in Singleton which I would like to >investigate. >Thomas Cavanagh buried Queen Street, Singleton NSW on 3/5/1852 >Mary Jane Cavanagh (nee Coleman) also buried there on 4/12/1867 >I am quite prepared to ring the cemetery if I could get the >phone, fax or e-mail address. I also believe that there >are headstone transcripts recorded. >If any kind person could assist with any of the following it >would be appreciated Contact details for the cemetery Details of any headstone transcripts for the above Details of other interments in the same grave(s) Photographs of the graves and any headstones (if they exist) for which I will obviously make reasonable reimbursements.

I have recently found this site while doing a search on the Northernlight search engine. I was looking for information on Belvoir, Vic. [later Wodonga]. A lot of it is still under construction and the majority of the places appear to be in Victoria. However, the information being indexed appears to be of excellent quality. It has details on: census, historic, location, shopping centres, land records, settlement and The Australian Handbook listings as part of the descriptions. AUSTRALIAN PLACES : ALPHABETICAL LISTINGS LISTING BY LOCALITIES Australian Places alphabetical listings are sorted by locality and by Local Government Areas http://www.arts.monash.edu.au/ncas/multimedia/gazetteer/alpha.ht ml#w Check out Watsonia, where I live! The homepage is part of 'Open Learning' however, I do notice that it was last updated January 1999. Webpage designed and maintained by the Webmaestros at the NCAS Multimedia. Feedback please. Cheers Dawn, Watsonia, Vic.

At 08:44 PM 27/11/00 +1100, Denise McMahon wrote: Denise >OK friends. I initially was not enquiriing regarding Sennetts but about a >book which a friend has seen in her search for information on her mother. The current population of Australia needs all the white page phone books. A book with all the people who have ever lived in Australia would be v_e_r_y thick. It raises a whimsical question - how many people have lived in Australia since 1788? >This mother died in 1947 and nothing except a death certificate and a photo >remain. There is no birth c, no marriage records and it happened in >Tamworth. Have you tried probate or wills? Tombstone or burial records? Does the death certificate have a burial officiating minister? What about hospital records of the town of her death? Did Baby Health Clinics keep records? Where was the child born - in hospital? Have you traced connections of other SENNETT families in nearby districts - any adoptions? Police and local court records (there could be a reason for the mystery)? Name changes are with the Land Titles Office. >My friend was left with neighbours for some years until they died. Do the family of the neigbours know any rumours? What about other nearby neighbours - streets are full of tales of what goes on up the road. Do a door knock of her street - are there any families who haven't left? Think of the search like a detective looking for a missing person, instead of like a genealogist searching the standard documents. What might she have done that could have generated a paper trail, or made people talk about her or her child. It's only 55 years ago - within memory for any 70 to 90 year old neighbour or local shop keeper. Gary =================== Gary Luke feraltek@zeta.org.au fax +61-2-9519-9907 Sydney, Australia

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