all children born are included in a family tree -----Original Message----- From: Kathy & Peter Osborne <posborne@netspace.net.au> To: AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, 3 January 2001 9:20 PM Subject: Still born children >Dear All, > >This is a general question. >Do we include in out family tree children who died at birth eg. still born. > These children are given full burials these days! > >I just wanted to know what everyone thought. > >Kathy >The Patch >Victoria >Australia. > > >==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== >Australia's First and Biggest Genealogy Server >Announces ... Your Very Own, Free Webspace .. go to >http://www.southernx.com.au/webspace/personal_page.html > >============================== >Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! >http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > >

Additionally, Syncope means brief loss of consciousness or fainting. Regards Pamela At 16:57 3.01.01 +1100, Denise McMahon wrote: >Morbus Cordis Syncope. Jennifer wrote: <Morbus Cordis: Means no more than heart disease. Probably used by doctors An Aussie, transplanted to Rotorua, NZ.

Hi List, Thankyou everyone who replyied to my request for information of "BOUNTY" money, also marriage of SOPER Edward and WELCH Annie. Much appreciated. Regards Roy

At 09:11 PM 3/01/01 +1100, Kathy & Peter Osborne wrote: Kathy >This is a general question. >Do we include in out family tree children who died at birth eg. still born. > These children are given full burials these days! Are you recording details about isolated individuals or a record of events in your ancestors' lives. A still born child would have effected the whole family for most of a year and maybe longer.. A particular case - Last year a friend asked if I could find the burial site of her stillborn child from about 40 years ago. She was ill for a few months after and the child had been whisked out of her hands at birth and buried. The doctor advised that she would not be able to have any more children so they adopted the next. Fortuntely the doctor was wrong and she had three more of her own children. For 40 years she has been living with her memory of it and the question of what had been done. Gary =================== Gary Luke feraltek@zeta.org.au fax +61-2-9519-9907 Sydney, Australia

Dear Don, Please have a look at www.records.nsw.gov.au. Go to the bottom right hand of the main page. You will see a magnifying glass. Click on that and you will be asked to enter a search term. You can search according to Government Department or under Keyword. Please keep in mind however, that this type of search will NOT take you to the document level. What it will do, is give you a suitable group or series of records which may help. Thank you, Selena -----Original Message----- From: DMJMJS@alphalink.com.au <DMJMJS@alphalink.com.au> To: AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, 3 January 2001 22:08 Subject: DMR >Happy new year to all. > >Can anyone tell me if records were kept of dept of Main Roads in Nsw of >people who would have worked for them around 1900's and also records of >Knappers ( someone that breaks stones into small pieces ). > >Thanks. > >Don >from Melbourne > > >==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== >Subscribe to the AGI (Australian Genealogy Information) Bulletin >A Free Service for Australian Family Historians >http://www.southernx.com.au/ > >============================== >Get Free Access to all Ancestry.com Databases from Dec 7 until Dec 21!http://www.ancestry.com/home/celebrate/freeaccess.htm?sourcecode=736

Hello All, Some advice please, fellow researchers... I recently found out that the father of my ggggrandfather,George Montgomery who migrated here in 1840 from Londonderry, was an army sergeant, presumably also in Londonderry. How can I follow this info up? I have his name, Alexander Montgomery. Happy New Year, everyone Cathy _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Williams" <billanddonna@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 03 January 2001 15:06 Subject: Hibbs/Pardoe > > I have a Peter HIBBS (1757 - 1847) who married Mary Pardoe (or Barlow) (1767 - 1844) on Norfolk Island in 1791. I would like to find out how Peter got there! Hi Donna Am very tempted with my answer but must have some decorum about the place I suppose :-) There is a fairly large book a year or 2 back entitled the 'Hibbs Line' by Alan MAUNDER . Should think this should tell all you ever wanted to know + some ! The Central Coast FHS library has this tome BUT our library is closed til 15 Jan I thought I had Alans email address but cant find it. Several of the HIBBS very early settlers around Brisbane Water ( Gosford) bye Marg Morters Central Coast Family History Society GOSFORD NSW Australia .

----- Original Message ----- From: "royp" <royp@satlink.com.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 03 January 2001 13:48 Subject: Re:- Lookup > Wondering if someone would be able to look-up the marriage of > > SOPER Edward and WELCH or WALSH Annie 1876 Bendigo Vic. area. > Roy Its in the indexes as WELCH 1876 ref # 3907 Doesnt look like she was born here. Her marriage cert should give parents names. Her death cert too. This should also give place of birth Alot of info for passenger arrivals to Victoria is on line come to that so at the BDM indexes for Vic www.maxi.com.au . This info also on fiche and CD at many libraries together with an inquest and probate index for Vic . These last 2 not on line Bye Marg Morters Central Coast Family History Society GOSFORD NSW Australia > I am trying to find Annie's parents names she was gg/grandmother to > me. Any help would be most grateful. > > Regards > Roy > > ______________________________

Happy new year to all. Can anyone tell me if records were kept of dept of Main Roads in Nsw of people who would have worked for them around 1900's and also records of Knappers ( someone that breaks stones into small pieces ). Thanks. Don from Melbourne

Lyn......... unfortunately there are quite a number of people who just don't realise that disabled people exist in this world....... Just ignore it......... There are too many 'Garry's' in this world that would'nt have a clue what being disabled is about. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Murphy" <kyokushin@eisa.net.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 5:53 PM Subject: Re: AUSTRALIA-D Digest V00 #387 > How can you reply to someone like that! You do not know their position. I > for one, due to ill health cannot now go to libraries etc., as much as I > wish I could. > > We all try to help each other and I don't think Judy deserved such a > "RESPECTFUL' reply. > > Lyn > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: garrywilson <garrywilson@bigpond.com> > To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 5:12 PM > Subject: Re: AUSTRALIA-D Digest V00 #387 > > > > Judy > > > > May I respectfully suggest that this is one you should eb able to do at a > library like the rest of do > > > > lookups are for things you can't get acees to at all > > > > Garry > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Marler- BDM Queensland > > > Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 12:04:10 +1000 > > > From: "Judy Rowe" <ashmarr@powerup.com.au> > > > To: AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > Hi, Happy New Year to all.. > > > Would sks out there have an index to BDM in Queensland..I am searching > for details of a Thomas Marler arrived on "Southesk" Brisbane 4 June 1877. > > > > > > Any details re marriages, deaths, etc would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Regards and thank you in advance > > > Judy Rowe > > > > > > Email ashmarr@powerup.com.au > > > > > > _ > > > > ______________________________ > > > ==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== > Subscribe to the AGI (Australian Genealogy Information) Bulletin > A Free Service for Australian Family Historians > http://www.southernx.com.au/ > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

Dear All, This is a general question. Do we include in out family tree children who died at birth eg. still born. These children are given full burials these days! I just wanted to know what everyone thought. Kathy The Patch Victoria Australia.

Denise <Morbus Cordis: Means no more than heart disease. Probably used by doctors when they didn't know the exact cause of death but were sure it was natural causes.> From a very useful site called 'Diseases and Medical Terms for Genealogists' Compiled and Revised by Ian Beach. The URL is http://www.jtauber.com/familytree/medical.html Cheers Jennifer Steamy and Hot Batemans Bay NSW keelawee@batemansbay.com Searching for MORSE in UK, India and Australia FORWOOD in UK and Australia BASTIEN in UK and France DE CROZE in UK and France

How can you reply to someone like that! You do not know their position. I for one, due to ill health cannot now go to libraries etc., as much as I wish I could. We all try to help each other and I don't think Judy deserved such a "RESPECTFUL' reply. Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: garrywilson <garrywilson@bigpond.com> To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 5:12 PM Subject: Re: AUSTRALIA-D Digest V00 #387 > Judy > > May I respectfully suggest that this is one you should eb able to do at a library like the rest of do > > lookups are for things you can't get acees to at all > > Garry > > > > > > > Subject: Marler- BDM Queensland > > Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 12:04:10 +1000 > > From: "Judy Rowe" <ashmarr@powerup.com.au> > > To: AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com > > > > Hi, Happy New Year to all.. > > Would sks out there have an index to BDM in Queensland..I am searching for details of a Thomas Marler arrived on "Southesk" Brisbane 4 June 1877. > > > > Any details re marriages, deaths, etc would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Regards and thank you in advance > > Judy Rowe > > > > Email ashmarr@powerup.com.au > > > > _ > > ______________________________

I have looked into all my files and cannot find the following term for death. is anyone able to help please Morbus Cordis Syncope. regards Denise ###################################### Denise Marriott McMahon - ex Melbourne 21 years Brisbane Queensland - Searching - CONWAY - County Clare and N.E. Victoria MCNEIL - Isle of Skye Scotland and Victoria GREEN - Tasmania CRAWFORD, NE Victoria, USA, Ireland, Scotland HAEFFNER, NE Victoria,Leibenstadt Baden Germany KRAEMER, Leibenstadt Baden Germany HALL, Victoria, England MARRIOTT, Victoria, England PINNER, Tasmania, Victoria, England JENKS, Melbourne, Lismore NSW and NH USA, Victoria and NSW Australia FOSTER, Rutland Ma USA and Keene NH USA NOONAN - Ireland and Australia???? ###############################################

Hello listers One of my ancestors, William Beavis Randell and his Family sailed on the 'HARTLEY' which left Torquay, England on 11th May 1837. The Ship had originally left on the voyage from Gravesend, London The HARTLEY arrived at Kangaroo Island in South Australia on 20th October 1837. I would be interested in making contact with anyone whose ancestors were on the same ship. Many thanks Jean in Torquay, England

Hello, I have a Peter HIBBS (1757 - 1847) who married Mary Pardoe (or Barlow) (1767 - 1844) on Norfolk Island in 1791. I would like to find out how Peter got there! Any help or direction would be appreciated. Regards, Donna. Email: billanddonna@ozemail.com.au

Hi List, Wondering if someone would be able to look-up the marriage of SOPER Edward and WELCH or WALSH Annie 1876 Bendigo Vic. area. I am trying to find Annie's parents names she was gg/grandmother to me. Any help would be most grateful. Regards Roy

Does anyone know e-mail of Robyn Moulds who is researching Moulds and Dale families please Also anyone else researching these names I have lost all my contact addresses Ann W

Hi listers. Has anyone on the list when researching Irish ancestors used the Irish method of naming children as a tool in their research. If so, has this been successful in tracking back the families name. I refer to the Irish manner of naming children, e.g. 1st daughter after the paternal grandmother 2nd daughter after the maternal grandmother first sone after the paternal grandfather 2nd son after the maternal grandfather etc. I am hoping someone can clear up something. Is the patneral grandmother (etc etc) referring to the grandmother of the new born, or the grandparent of the child's parents. I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has used this method regards Denise ###################################### Denise Marriott McMahon - ex Melbourne 21 years Brisbane Queensland - Searching - CONWAY - County Clare and N.E. Victoria MCNEIL - Isle of Skye Scotland and Victoria GREEN - Tasmania CRAWFORD, NE Victoria, USA, Ireland, Scotland HAEFFNER, NE Victoria,Leibenstadt Baden Germany KRAEMER, Leibenstadt Baden Germany HALL, Victoria, England MARRIOTT, Victoria, England PINNER, Tasmania, Victoria, England JENKS, Melbourne, Lismore NSW and NH USA, Victoria and NSW Australia FOSTER, Rutland Ma USA and Keene NH USA NOONAN - Ireland and Australia???? ###############################################

Happy New Year! I'm listing my Sutherland direct line of descent, all from Dunfermline Scotland and settled in the New England area of NSW in the 1850's. Would love to hear from anyone related. Direct Descendants of Daniel Sutherland 1 Daniel Sutherland Born: 1760 in Torryburn, Fife, Scotland +Jean Patterson Born: 1761 in Torryburn, Fife, Scotland m: Abt. 1788 in Torryburn, Fife, Scotland ......... 2 Robert Sutherland Born: 1791 in Torryburn, Fife, Scotland ............. +Grace Lightfoot Born: Abt. 1790 in Fifeshire, Scotland m: 1812 in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland ..................... 3 David Sutherland Born: 1819 in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland ......................... +Janet (Jessie) Henderson Born: 1820 in Aberdour, Fife, Scotland m: 5 February 1838 in Dunfermline, Fifeshire, Scotland Moved to Australia on the Conway, 1856 and settled in Walcha, NSW. George (following) was 1 year old on the voyage. ................................ 4 George Sutherland Born: 1855 in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland .................................... +Susanah Carter Born: 1870 in Purlew Station, Balala, NSW m: 14 June, Uralla, NSW ............................................... 5 David George Sutherland Born: 1900 in Walcha, NSW ................................................ +Lila Harriet Finlayson Brobble Born: 1903 in Broken Hill, NSW m: 4 March 1925 in Broken Hill, N.S.W. Australia .............................................................. 6 Ian Maxwell Sutherland Born: in Broken Hill, NSW ........................................................... +Naida Brock Pickering Born: in Boolaroo, NSW m: 15 January 1955 in, Maitland ............................................................................. 7 Lynette Sutherland Born: in Maitland, NSW ....................................................................... +Donald George Begg Born: in Maitland, NSW m: 4 December 1976 in, East Maitland Hope there are some connections out there. Lynette in Maitland NSW