on 12/1/01 6:42 PM, Denise McMahon at helendmc@powerup.com.au wrote: > Sandy thank you for this. It seems we had a rather large influx of > Germans. Is there any where on record which would give a break down on how > many people came to Australia in the mid 1800's from various countries , > e.g. how many Germans, how many Americans etc etc > Denise > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The Drews & Leonard" <raleigh2@ix.net.au> > To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 5:51 PM > Subject: Germans in Australia > > >> Hi Denise, >> A very large group of settlers were along the Clarence >> River, around South Grafton, a Mr W Kirchner, born Frankfurt, >> arrived in Australia in 1832, he was a merchant, he went to the >> Clarence district in 1840's to establish a soap and candle factory. <snip> Denise, Three more localities: (1) the Australian Agricultural Company brought out shepherds from Germany (one courts confusion if one refers to German shepherds :)) and they settled in the areas north of Port Stephens (think Stroud, Gloucester, etc) and probably some moved up to the Liverpool plains. _Pure Merinos and Others_ by Pennie Pemberton has details (including names). (2) The town of Holbrook on the Hume Highway south of Gundagai was renamed in honour of the submarine captain who penetrated the Dardanelles during WW1 - it used to be called Germantown presumably because of its inhabitants. (3) There is a tiny town called (I think) Collinsvale in the hills above the derwent river. It too had its name changed during WW1 from Bismarck - there was a good deal of nasty anti-German rioting and persecution in Tasmania where there was a recognisable German population. The statistics that you ask about are available - somewhat dispersed in the annual state and colonial yearbooks probably, and later the Commonwealth Year Books. But they are nicely summarised in the Historical Statistics volume of the Bicentennial History called _Australians_ which you should find in your local libarary or, failing that, at the State Library. HTH -- Michael Saclier Historical & Genealogical Research Services Phone: +61 2 6281 4117 Fax: +61 2 6281 4118 E-mail: saclierm@spirit.com.au Mail: PO Box 431, Curtin ACT 2605

If you go into the archives for either GENANZ or AUSTRALIA-L at the beginning of 1999 you will find postings on Rawleighs. The thread was Old Days Old Ways I think. It went on for a long time and some people got rather irate about it. Someone put some of it on a web page. Rawleighs was mentioned a lot. The rep still calls door to door in some areas. In fact I think there was a TV segment done on it last year. I found it very interesting. Regards Helen Hanson ========== > Can anyone tell me what a 'Rawleigh's business' was? I think it must have > been some sort of door to door sales, but can't find out what they sold. > Time period about 1930. ==========

Hi Jill. I don't remember the Rawleighs man knocking on the door. But I still use Rawleighs Man and Beast ointment for a variety of things. Especially if the dogs cut themselves. I've even used it on an insect bite I had that was persistent for a couple of days and it still works. I don't know how old the tin is that I have. It is slightly larger than a shoepolish tin and more rounded edges. I bought it from the Produce store a lot of years ago. Cheers Jacqui Central Victoria.

When I was a child the Rawleigh's man visited us on a regular basis. He had all his products packed into the boot of his car. My mother always bought her vanilla from him. He sold cooking products eg. sago, tapioca, custards etc. I think he also sold ointments etc. A cure all for everything- arthritis etc. Eileen. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jill and Ian ROY <royz@bigpond.com> To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 3:54 PM Subject: Rawleigh's in NSW > Can anyone tell me what a 'Rawleigh's business' was? I think it must have > been some sort of door to door sales, but can't find out what they sold. > Time period about 1930. > Jill > > > ==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== > Australia's First and Biggest Genealogy Server > Announces ... Your Very Own, Free Webspace .. go to > http://www.southernx.com.au/webspace/personal_page.html > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

Jill & Ian- Shirleys answer is spot on. Ian, Port Macquarie ----- Original Message ----- From: Jill and Ian ROY <royz@bigpond.com> To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 3:54 PM Subject: Rawleigh's in NSW > Can anyone tell me what a 'Rawleigh's business' was? I think it must have > been some sort of door to door sales, but can't find out what they sold. > Time period about 1930. > Jill > > > ==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== > Australia's First and Biggest Genealogy Server > Announces ... Your Very Own, Free Webspace .. go to > http://www.southernx.com.au/webspace/personal_page.html > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

While surfing tonight I ventured into the National Archives Search http://www.naa.gov.au/Search/search.html put in the word "Diaries" asked for 100 to the page and a lot of very interesting subjects came up, including links to things like "Aliens During World War I legislation was passed requiring all aliens (subjects of other countries who were not naturalised citizens) over the age of 15 residing and entering Australia to be registered. Alien registration was suspended in 1926, but re-introduced during World War II and continued for many years after that. Alien registration documents are held for the years 1914-18, and 1948-65, approximately." Thought someone may be interested - Denise ###################################### Denise Marriott McMahon - ex Melbourne 21 years Brisbane Queensland - Searching - CONWAY - County Clare and N.E. Victoria MCNEIL - Isle of Skye Scotland and Victoria GREEN - Tasmania CRAWFORD, NE Victoria, USA, Ireland, Scotland HAEFFNER, NE Victoria,Leibenstadt Baden Germany KRAEMER, Leibenstadt Baden Germany HALL, Victoria, England MARRIOTT, Victoria, England PINNER, Tasmania, Victoria, England JENKS, Melbourne, Lismore NSW and NH USA, Victoria and NSW Australia FOSTER, Rutland Ma USA and Keene NH USA NOONAN - Ireland and Australia???? ###############################################

Sandy thank you for this. It seems we had a rather large influx of Germans. Is there any where on record which would give a break down on how many people came to Australia in the mid 1800's from various countries , e.g. how many Germans, how many Americans etc etc Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Drews & Leonard" <raleigh2@ix.net.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 5:51 PM Subject: Germans in Australia > Hi Denise, > A very large group of settlers were along the Clarence > River, around South Grafton, a Mr W Kirchner, born Frankfurt, > arrived in Australia in 1832, he was a merchant, he went to the > Clarence district in 1840's to establish a soap and candle factory. > Mr Kirchner brought out large numbers of his coutry men and > their families to help at sawmilling (cedar getters) and soap making. > The families in turn brought with them, their owns skills, and crafts, > eg: wood turning and wine making. In March 1852 the barque 'Caesar' > arrived with 182 German immigrants,to the district, many > descendants of these people live in the district today. > Goodluck Sandy.in cool Oberon. NSW > > > ==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== > Australia's First and Biggest Genealogy Server > Announces ... Your Very Own, Free Webspace .. go to > http://www.southernx.com.au/webspace/personal_page.html > > ============================== > Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/ > >

Listers, I have been told thatmy great-grandfather's (original Diary) was given by a descendant to a museum library or such. This probably would have been 20-30 years ago. Now I am wondering other than those listed below, do you know of any other place likely to hold such a thing. This is likely to be in the State of Victoria. State Library Vic State Museum Vic National Archives National Library Denise ###################################### Denise Marriott McMahon - ex Melbourne 21 years Brisbane Queensland - Searching - CONWAY - County Clare and N.E. Victoria MCNEIL - Isle of Skye Scotland and Victoria GREEN - Tasmania CRAWFORD, NE Victoria, USA, Ireland, Scotland HAEFFNER, NE Victoria,Leibenstadt Baden Germany KRAEMER, Leibenstadt Baden Germany HALL, Victoria, England MARRIOTT, Victoria, England PINNER, Tasmania, Victoria, England JENKS, Melbourne, Lismore NSW and NH USA, Victoria and NSW Australia FOSTER, Rutland Ma USA and Keene NH USA NOONAN - Ireland and Australia???? ###############################################

Hello again Denise. Another thought. I was visiting friends a couple of years ago at a place named Ungarie which is near West Wyalong. There is a small Lutheran Church there and I attended a funeral at it. There were quite a lot of Germans in the cemetery there too. I do not know the history of why they were there, but I would say that there must have been a reasonable sized settlement to have built a church. I was born in Fairfield and lived at Smithfield. There were a number of German families in those towns too mostly in the vineyards. Some that come to mind were the Lehmanns, Konemans and Beckhauses as well as my Steins. Regards Shirley McLeod ----- Original Message ----- From: Denise McMahon <helendmc@powerup.com.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 12:03 PM Subject: Germans in Australia > Listers, hello > > A question for you, > apart from South East Queensland and the Baroosa, where else in Australia where there large contingents of German settlers, mid 1800's to 1900s > > regards Denise > > > ###################################### > Denise Marriott McMahon - ex Melbourne 21 years > Brisbane Queensland - > Searching - > CONWAY - County Clare and N.E. Victoria > MCNEIL - Isle of Skye Scotland and Victoria > GREEN - Tasmania > CRAWFORD, NE Victoria, USA, Ireland, Scotland > HAEFFNER, NE Victoria,Leibenstadt Baden Germany > KRAEMER, Leibenstadt Baden Germany > HALL, Victoria, England > MARRIOTT, Victoria, England > PINNER, Tasmania, Victoria, England > JENKS, Melbourne, Lismore NSW and NH USA, Victoria and NSW Australia > FOSTER, Rutland Ma USA and Keene NH USA > NOONAN - Ireland and Australia???? > ############################################### > > > ==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== > Subscribe to the AGI (Australian Genealogy Information) Bulletin > A Free Service for Australian Family Historians > http://www.southernx.com.au/ > > ============================== > Search over 900 million names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

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Hello Jill and Ian. The Rawleigh man came door to door when I was a child ( I am 66). He had a large suitcase in which he had remedies for just about everything such as cold linctus, bandages, ointments, hair creams etc. He also sold household items such as disinfectants. We also had hawkers who sold all types of clothing door to door. They were fascinating to little children. Regards Shirley McLeod ----- Original Message ----- From: Jill and Ian ROY <royz@bigpond.com> To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 3:54 PM Subject: Rawleigh's in NSW > Can anyone tell me what a 'Rawleigh's business' was? I think it must have > been some sort of door to door sales, but can't find out what they sold. > Time period about 1930. > Jill > > > ==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== > Australia's First and Biggest Genealogy Server > Announces ... Your Very Own, Free Webspace .. go to > http://www.southernx.com.au/webspace/personal_page.html > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Hello Denise. There were a lot of Germans brought to Australia as bounty immigrants to work for the Macarthurs at their property at Camden. They were mainly vine-dressers and worked in the vineyards. Some of my Stein ancestors were among them, and they arrived in the mid 1880s. The book 'Camden' by Alan Atkinson gives some details of them, and is well worth a reading. Regards Shirley McLeod ----- Original Message ----- From: Denise McMahon <helendmc@powerup.com.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 12:03 PM Subject: Germans in Australia > Listers, hello > > A question for you, > apart from South East Queensland and the Baroosa, where else in Australia where there large contingents of German settlers, mid 1800's to 1900s > > regards Denise > > > ###################################### > Denise Marriott McMahon - ex Melbourne 21 years > Brisbane Queensland - > Searching - > CONWAY - County Clare and N.E. Victoria > MCNEIL - Isle of Skye Scotland and Victoria > GREEN - Tasmania > CRAWFORD, NE Victoria, USA, Ireland, Scotland > HAEFFNER, NE Victoria,Leibenstadt Baden Germany > KRAEMER, Leibenstadt Baden Germany > HALL, Victoria, England > MARRIOTT, Victoria, England > PINNER, Tasmania, Victoria, England > JENKS, Melbourne, Lismore NSW and NH USA, Victoria and NSW Australia > FOSTER, Rutland Ma USA and Keene NH USA > NOONAN - Ireland and Australia???? > ############################################### > > > ==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== > Subscribe to the AGI (Australian Genealogy Information) Bulletin > A Free Service for Australian Family Historians > http://www.southernx.com.au/ > > ============================== > Search over 900 million names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

Hi Denise, A very large group of settlers were along the Clarence River, around South Grafton, a Mr W Kirchner, born Frankfurt, arrived in Australia in 1832, he was a merchant, he went to the Clarence district in 1840's to establish a soap and candle factory. Mr Kirchner brought out large numbers of his coutry men and their families to help at sawmilling (cedar getters) and soap making. The families in turn brought with them, their owns skills, and crafts, eg: wood turning and wine making. In March 1852 the barque 'Caesar' arrived with 182 German immigrants,to the district, many descendants of these people live in the district today. Goodluck Sandy.in cool Oberon. NSW

Can anyone tell me what a 'Rawleigh's business' was? I think it must have been some sort of door to door sales, but can't find out what they sold. Time period about 1930. Jill

Hi Denise, Two large areas of German settlers in this district were: 1. Jindera (about 10 ks n-w of Albury), and 2. Walla Walla (about 20 ks west of Albury). Cheers, Pauline -----Original Message----- From: Denise McMahon <helendmc@powerup.com.au> To: AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, 12 January 2001 1:08 Subject: Germans in Australia >Listers, hello > >A question for you, >apart from South East Queensland and the Baroosa, where else in Australia where there large contingents of German settlers, mid 1800's to 1900s > >regards Denise > > >###################################### >Denise Marriott McMahon - ex Melbourne 21 years >Brisbane Queensland - >Searching - >CONWAY - County Clare and N.E. Victoria >MCNEIL - Isle of Skye Scotland and Victoria >GREEN - Tasmania >CRAWFORD, NE Victoria, USA, Ireland, Scotland >HAEFFNER, NE Victoria,Leibenstadt Baden Germany >KRAEMER, Leibenstadt Baden Germany >HALL, Victoria, England >MARRIOTT, Victoria, England >PINNER, Tasmania, Victoria, England >JENKS, Melbourne, Lismore NSW and NH USA, Victoria and NSW Australia >FOSTER, Rutland Ma USA and Keene NH USA >NOONAN - Ireland and Australia???? >############################################### > > >==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== >Subscribe to the AGI (Australian Genealogy Information) Bulletin >A Free Service for Australian Family Historians >http://www.southernx.com.au/ > >============================== >Search over 900 million names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

Dear Denise,There was quite a large group of German settlers around Clarencetown(in the Hunter Valley).My GGgrandfather,Johann Valentin Gruber was one of this group.He emigrated to Australia in 1855. Bev Day,Newcastle,NSW.

Hi All, Another area of mid C19 German settlement was in the Thomastown/Lalor area of northern Melbourne. It's worth a visit for an exercise in dramatic contrasts. In the middle of some classic 50/60s Melbourne cream brick suburban sprawl are a couple of the old homesteads and a tiny bluestone church, complete with a pine shaded graveyard with a number of old gravestones. Best! Lloyd

Listers, hello A question for you, apart from South East Queensland and the Baroosa, where else in Australia where there large contingents of German settlers, mid 1800's to 1900s regards Denise ###################################### Denise Marriott McMahon - ex Melbourne 21 years Brisbane Queensland - Searching - CONWAY - County Clare and N.E. Victoria MCNEIL - Isle of Skye Scotland and Victoria GREEN - Tasmania CRAWFORD, NE Victoria, USA, Ireland, Scotland HAEFFNER, NE Victoria,Leibenstadt Baden Germany KRAEMER, Leibenstadt Baden Germany HALL, Victoria, England MARRIOTT, Victoria, England PINNER, Tasmania, Victoria, England JENKS, Melbourne, Lismore NSW and NH USA, Victoria and NSW Australia FOSTER, Rutland Ma USA and Keene NH USA NOONAN - Ireland and Australia???? ###############################################

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Is anyone researching the above family in Australia. I know that there are some in NSW and Queensland. I have information I would like to exchange. They came to Australian in the 1850's from Somerset, England. Joy Ferguson Sydney Australia