During the First World War the 27th Battalion (The South Australian Scottish Regiment) Australian Imperial Force was the only South Australian Scottish battalion. The 5th Battalion was "The Victorian Scottish Regiment", the 16th Battalion was "The Cameron Highlanders of Western Australia", the 30th Battalion was "The New South Wales Scottish Regiment", and the only other Scottish unit was the 41st Battalion known as "The Byron Regiment" (derived from Byron Bay, NSW). [Source: The Uniform and History of Scottish Regimnets by Major R M Barnes, Sphere Books Ltd, London, 1972] Bruce Topperwien -----Original Message----- From: Mari and Brian Walker [SMTP:marbri@chariot.net.au] Sent: Saturday, 13 January 2001 15:52 To: AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Scottish Highlanders My great-uncle who enlisted in the 9th Light Horse and embarked for overseas on 22 December 1914, gives as part of his service record, the information that he had served in the Scottish Highlanders, 2 years, and left because time expired. (At the time of enlistment - 1914 - he was 23 years and 4 months) Can anyone tell me whether or not the Scottish Highlanders were something here in South Australia, or would he have been in Scotland? He was born here but is believed to have travelled overseas, but . . . Thank you for your help, Mari Walker, Adelaide, Sth Australia Researching: Sth Aust :Major interests: HART, MAIN, THREDGOLD, TILLER, LEHMANN Minor interests: WOOLLEY, JEFFERIES, JOHNSTON, LARKIN, O'TOOLE, HENDER, DOWNING, MOLLER, MURPHY Australian interests: Victoria : LEHMANN descendants, CAMPBELL WA : MOLLER, HART, LEHMANN descendants NSW : MAYNARD USA (California) : MURPHY/KELLEY ______________________________

I am putting a big thankyou to the list for all the people who answered with their stories of Rawleigh's. I must have been living on another planet. Everyone seems to have had some experience with them except me. You have all contributed to my education on this one. Thankyou one and all. Jill

I have ancestors who were born at Back Creek, Central district of Sandhurst (Bendigo, Vic) Robyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mari and Brian Walker" <marbri@chariot.net.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 13 January 2001 3:46 Subject: Geography > Wondering whether anyone can help solve a puzzle for me. > > In my great-x-grandfather's sermon diary, he mentions two places: AMHERST > and BACK CREEK. > > I have searched the web and found Back Creek as a CREEK in Victoria and an > AMHERST in the gold diggings area around Bendigo, but I also found an > Amherst here in Sth Australia which indicates it was/is a homestead, > outstation, outcamp, woolshed and it is at 36 30'00"S 140 190'00"E (around > Lucindale, I think - anyway, above Naracoorte) (Geography not my subject!) > > Two questions: > Does anyone know anything of this Sth Austn Amherst and also, is there a > BACK CREEK in Sth Aust? It has been suggested there is/was one somewhere ? > around Normanville, or down that way. > > Any help greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, from a very HOT Adelaide > Mari Walker, Adelaide, Sth Australia > Researching: > Sth Aust :Major interests: HART, MAIN, THREDGOLD, TILLER, LEHMANN > Minor interests: WOOLLEY, JEFFERIES, JOHNSTON, LARKIN, O'TOOLE, HENDER, > DOWNING, MOLLER, MURPHY > Australian interests: > Victoria : LEHMANN descendants, CAMPBELL > WA : MOLLER, HART, LEHMANN descendants > NSW : MAYNARD > USA (California) : MURPHY/KELLEY > > > ==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== > Subscribe to the AGI (Australian Genealogy Information) Bulletin > A Free Service for Australian Family Historians > http://www.southernx.com.au/ > > ============================== > Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/ > >

Hi All Thomas Rice Snr arrived in Australia as a convict in 1813 on the Fortune 2 His son Thomas Jnr was born in Sydney in 1818 the same year his father married Elizabeth Moore who arrived per Wanstead in 1814, probably the Eliza Moran who is shown on the Wanstead indents. Thomas Jnr married Rose Coleman about 1836 in Sydney and they had 8 children Elizabeth, Bridget, Peter John, Mary Ann, Catherine, John and William Elizabeth married William Gordon in Sydney in 1864 Should anyone have any possible links to these people I would love to hear from you Kind regards Bill Bill & Terri van Lamoen \ e-mail bvl@multiline.com.au Perth Western Australia \ http://www.goodlink.nl/family Phone (08) 9401 0383 \ Fax (08) 9401 0604

The Central Coast Family History Socy Inc is still looking for people researching families who lived in the Gosford district before 1901. Have you sent your entry in yet - entries close March 2001 Dorothy Mulholland, Project Research Officer, CCFHS Inc

----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise McMahon" <helendmc@powerup.com.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 5:37 PM Subject: Museums, Libraries etc > Listers, I have been told thatmy great-grandfather's (original Diary) was given by a descendant to a museum library or such. This probably would have been 20-30 years ago. > > Now I am wondering other than those listed below, do you know of any other place likely to hold such a thing. > > This is likely to be in the State of Victoria. Hello Denise, What is the name of the diary writer? I have a few reference books I could check for you if you put up the name. Regards, Ada

My great-uncle who enlisted in the 9th Light Horse and embarked for overseas on 22 December 1914, gives as part of his service record, the information that he had served in the Scottish Highlanders, 2 years, and left because time expired. (At the time of enlistment - 1914 - he was 23 years and 4 months) Can anyone tell me whether or not the Scottish Highlanders were something here in South Australia, or would he have been in Scotland? He was born here but is believed to have travelled overseas, but . . . Thank you for your help, Mari Walker, Adelaide, Sth Australia Researching: Sth Aust :Major interests: HART, MAIN, THREDGOLD, TILLER, LEHMANN Minor interests: WOOLLEY, JEFFERIES, JOHNSTON, LARKIN, O'TOOLE, HENDER, DOWNING, MOLLER, MURPHY Australian interests: Victoria : LEHMANN descendants, CAMPBELL WA : MOLLER, HART, LEHMANN descendants NSW : MAYNARD USA (California) : MURPHY/KELLEY

Wondering whether anyone can help solve a puzzle for me. In my great-x-grandfather's sermon diary, he mentions two places: AMHERST and BACK CREEK. I have searched the web and found Back Creek as a CREEK in Victoria and an AMHERST in the gold diggings area around Bendigo, but I also found an Amherst here in Sth Australia which indicates it was/is a homestead, outstation, outcamp, woolshed and it is at 36 30'00"S 140 190'00"E (around Lucindale, I think - anyway, above Naracoorte) (Geography not my subject!) Two questions: Does anyone know anything of this Sth Austn Amherst and also, is there a BACK CREEK in Sth Aust? It has been suggested there is/was one somewhere ? around Normanville, or down that way. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks, from a very HOT Adelaide Mari Walker, Adelaide, Sth Australia Researching: Sth Aust :Major interests: HART, MAIN, THREDGOLD, TILLER, LEHMANN Minor interests: WOOLLEY, JEFFERIES, JOHNSTON, LARKIN, O'TOOLE, HENDER, DOWNING, MOLLER, MURPHY Australian interests: Victoria : LEHMANN descendants, CAMPBELL WA : MOLLER, HART, LEHMANN descendants NSW : MAYNARD USA (California) : MURPHY/KELLEY

Being one of the fernce sitters, has been lurking in the background watching and absorbing. The names that I have at present are:- Hallett.... Brisbane Queensland O'Dwyer..Victoria Mason.. Victoria Vickers...Victoria Taylor.. Melbourne Victoria Wilkinson... Victoria Sefton.....Victoria McGrady ,,,, Victoria Snow.....Victoria These are just a few at this stage Thank You Murray

I agree. It is indeed a lovely town. It was the home of the wonderful German painter Hans Heysen after he came to Australia, and there is a gallery there of his paintings. Everyone who goes to Adelaide should NOT miss Hahndorf, nor the Barossa Valley which is full of German descendants. Regards Shirley McLeod ----- Original Message ----- From: B & L Copeland <copeland@connexus.net.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 3:55 AM Subject: GERMAN SETTLERS > There were thousands of German settlers in Australia during the 1800's. > Hahndorf "A German Village" in Sth Australia and surrounding areas was > inhabitated by Germans from one ship in particular "ZEBRA" which sailed > from Hamburg on 12th August 1838.bound for Adelaide. I have a list of > the first fifty two families who settled in Hahndorf. This list is > inscribed on the Memorial Gates of the Pioneer Gardens in Hahndorf. If > anyone on the list ever gets the opportunity to visit Hahndorf you wont > be disappointed. It is a lovely place for German History. If anyone > would like a copy of the names I can scan it to the list. Happy > searching, Leonie. > > > ==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== > Australia's First and Biggest Genealogy Server > Announces ... Your Very Own, Free Webspace .. go to > http://www.southernx.com.au/webspace/personal_page.html > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

My German ancestors came on the "Pauline" 1849 to SA and settled with a group of Germans along the banks of the Gawler River at Buchsfelde (later called Loos, now back to Buchsfelde) west of the town of Gawler. Angela Keany Melbourne

Hi there all. Rawleigh's sold goods door to door included things like cake essence (there vanilla essence was very good) cough mixtures and spices. Also liniments etc. Judy

Can the list owners please help Joy out with her problem. She is sending mail but they are being returned undelivered. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Bell" < > AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com > AUS-VIC-L@rootsweb.com > joybell@hdc.com.au > Researching the following families > LAWFORD - Victoria from London > BALDWIN - Victoria/NSW from Suffolk, Eng. > RICKARD - Victoria from Cornwell > GRIFFITHS Thomas - Victoria from Gloucestershire > >

Hi Jill You are correct that the "Rawleigh's Man" was a door to door salesman who came with a large case crammed with all sorts of goodies such as medicines,spices etc. A couple of the favourites were Rawleigh's Ready Relief for coughs and colds and Rawleigh's Salve Ointment for cuts and abrasions. I believe that you can still obtain some of these items from still existing Rawleigh's Agents Regards Kenneth Clark

As recorded in "The German presence in QLD", Jurgenson & Corkhill eds. "Shortly after the turn of the century the proportion of German-born settlers in Queensland amounted to 28.5%" Now that is a lot of settlers from one nation! No wonder that a lot of us who have ancestors from Queensland have German connections. For anyone who is interested there is a list specifically for German connections in SE QLD. It is AUS-QLD-SE-Germans-L@rootsweb.com. Cheers Neil ******************************************** Researching the names, SATCHER, MANN, WILLIAMS, ENGEL, RYLAND WENZEL(L) from the SE QLD area. ****************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise McMahon" <helendmc@powerup.com.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 6:42 PM Subject: Re: Germans and others to Australia > Sandy thank you for this. It seems we had a rather large influx of > Germans. Is there any where on record which would give a break down on how > many people came to Australia in the mid 1800's from various countries , > e.g. how many Germans, how many Americans etc etc > Denise > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The Drews & Leonard" <raleigh2@ix.net.au> > To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 5:51 PM > Subject: Germans in Australia > > > > Hi Denise, > > A very large group of settlers were along the Clarence > > River, around South Grafton, a Mr W Kirchner, born Frankfurt, > > arrived in Australia in 1832, he was a merchant, he went to the > > Clarence district in 1840's to establish a soap and candle factory. > > Mr Kirchner brought out large numbers of his coutry men and > > their families to help at sawmilling (cedar getters) and soap making. > > The families in turn brought with them, their owns skills, and crafts, > > eg: wood turning and wine making. In March 1852 the barque 'Caesar' > > arrived with 182 German immigrants,to the district, many > > descendants of these people live in the district today. > > Goodluck Sandy.in cool Oberon. NSW > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== > > Australia's First and Biggest Genealogy Server > > Announces ... Your Very Own, Free Webspace .. go to > > http://www.southernx.com.au/webspace/personal_page.html > > > > ============================== > > Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== > Australia's First and Biggest Genealogy Server > Announces ... Your Very Own, Free Webspace .. go to > http://www.southernx.com.au/webspace/personal_page.html > > ============================== > The only real-time collaboration tool that allows you and other family > members to create a FREE, password-protected family tree. > http://www.ancestry.com/oft/login.asp > >

There were thousands of German settlers in Australia during the 1800's. Hahndorf "A German Village" in Sth Australia and surrounding areas was inhabitated by Germans from one ship in particular "ZEBRA" which sailed from Hamburg on 12th August 1838.bound for Adelaide. I have a list of the first fifty two families who settled in Hahndorf. This list is inscribed on the Memorial Gates of the Pioneer Gardens in Hahndorf. If anyone on the list ever gets the opportunity to visit Hahndorf you wont be disappointed. It is a lovely place for German History. If anyone would like a copy of the names I can scan it to the list. Happy searching, Leonie.

Denise - Hi there. I was searching for a similar thing - although not as 'general' as a diary - and I discovered that his second wife had given all his paraphenalia to an RSL. In this case the 'diary' was a journal he had kept. So I am suggesting that if you are aware of an organisation he was particularly active or involved with, then that would be a reasonable place to start. I guess you have checked out local Family History Societies etc. Consider also the Maritime Museum, Immigration Museum etc. If the content was of national interest it may well have been handed on to National Archives. I do hope you find it. cheers, Nandina ----- Original Message ----- From: Denise McMahon <helendmc@powerup.com.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 6:37 PM Subject: Museums, Libraries etc > Listers, I have been told thatmy great-grandfather's (original Diary) was given by a descendant to a museum library or such. This probably would have been 20-30 years ago. > > Now I am wondering other than those listed below, do you know of any other place likely to hold such a thing. > > This is likely to be in the State of Victoria. > > State Library Vic > State Museum Vic > National Archives > National Library > > Denise > > > ###################################### > Denise Marriott McMahon - ex Melbourne 21 years > Brisbane Queensland - > Searching - > CONWAY - County Clare and N.E. Victoria > MCNEIL - Isle of Skye Scotland and Victoria > GREEN - Tasmania > CRAWFORD, NE Victoria, USA, Ireland, Scotland > HAEFFNER, NE Victoria,Leibenstadt Baden Germany > KRAEMER, Leibenstadt Baden Germany > HALL, Victoria, England > MARRIOTT, Victoria, England > PINNER, Tasmania, Victoria, England > JENKS, Melbourne, Lismore NSW and NH USA, Victoria and NSW Australia > FOSTER, Rutland Ma USA and Keene NH USA > NOONAN - Ireland and Australia???? > ############################################### > > > ==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== > Australia's First and Biggest Genealogy Server > Announces ... Your Very Own, Free Webspace .. go to > http://www.southernx.com.au/webspace/personal_page.html > > ============================== > The easiest way to stay in touch with your family and friends! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST1 >

We had the Rawleigh's Man come every week without fail. The one problem was that the containers lacked variety. They made the most wonderful Coconut Oil Shampoo (among other things, one of these being furniture polish) and, yes, you guessed it. My mum shampooed her hair with furniture polish. This was post war cheers, Nandina ----- Original Message ----- From: Jill and Ian ROY <royz@bigpond.com> To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 3:54 PM Subject: Rawleigh's in NSW > Can anyone tell me what a 'Rawleigh's business' was? I think it must have > been some sort of door to door sales, but can't find out what they sold. > Time period about 1930. > Jill > > > ==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== > Australia's First and Biggest Genealogy Server > Announces ... Your Very Own, Free Webspace .. go to > http://www.southernx.com.au/webspace/personal_page.html > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Interested to see the responses to the question raised by Denise. I enjoy telling new acquaintances that my g gfather, John Peter Christopher Smith/Schmidt, was a German shepherd. At present my understanding is that he arrived with a shipment of Merinos on the Malvina Vidal for the AAC. He married Hannah Marthalena Elizabeth Stieger, the daughter of another German shepherd at Tamworth where it seems the shepherds were working for the Peel River Land and Mining Company headquartered at Goonoo Goonoo. Bryson Wilson in hot Pennant Hills Denise McMahon wrote: > Listers, hello > > A question for you, > apart from South East Queensland and the Baroosa, where else in Australia where there large contingents of German settlers, mid 1800's to 1900s > > regards Denise > > ###################################### > Denise Marriott McMahon - ex Melbourne 21 years > Brisbane Queensland - > Searching - > CONWAY - County Clare and N.E. Victoria > MCNEIL - Isle of Skye Scotland and Victoria > GREEN - Tasmania > CRAWFORD, NE Victoria, USA, Ireland, Scotland > HAEFFNER, NE Victoria,Leibenstadt Baden Germany > KRAEMER, Leibenstadt Baden Germany > HALL, Victoria, England > MARRIOTT, Victoria, England > PINNER, Tasmania, Victoria, England > JENKS, Melbourne, Lismore NSW and NH USA, Victoria and NSW Australia > FOSTER, Rutland Ma USA and Keene NH USA > NOONAN - Ireland and Australia???? > ############################################### > > ==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== > Subscribe to the AGI (Australian Genealogy Information) Bulletin > A Free Service for Australian Family Historians > http://www.southernx.com.au/ > > ============================== > Search over 900 million names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

At 06:42 PM 12/01/01 +1100, you wrote: >Sandy thank you for this. It seems we had a rather large influx of >Germans. Is there any where on record which would give a break down on how >many people came to Australia in the mid 1800's from various countries , >e.g. how many Germans, how many Americans etc etc I don't think anyone has extracted figures for the 1800s. If this is incorrect please advise. I would also like to know the answer. There would be a few major difficulties in compiling figures. If it were done from arrivals, there were many who arrived from England although they were from elsewhere in Europe or other nationality. If done from census extracts, country names would cause problems. Someone from current Poland might have put Russia, Hungary, Prussia or Poland. Someone else from Schlesweig-Holstein might put Scandanavia, Denmark or Germany. Russians from Palestine might put Syria or Turkey (Ottoman Empire). Italians and Bohemians sometimes put Austria. These are typical of statements on naturalizations and on alien registration forms during WW1. If taken from naturalizations a nationality survey would only give the numbers for heads of families, with family size unknown. Estimate of numbers of pre-1904 naturalizations from the indexes - NSW approx 6,000, Vic 13,000, SA 6,500, Tas 1,175, WA & Qld not on hand. Breakdown of nationalities from the 1918 census. Not included are about 2,000 internees who were released after the census, mainly Germans, some Austrians, & Turks. Chinese - 19,655 Italians - 4,754 Scandanavians - 4,598 Germans - 4,589 Japanese - 3,523 Greeks - 3,454 Russians - 3,416 Americans - 2,229 Austrians - 1,114 Malays - 948 French - 945 Swiss - 590 Turks - 527 Spanish - 496 Syrians - 399 Filipinos - 210 Belgians - 197 Bulgars - 170 Javanese - 109 Portugese - 53 Afgans - 50 Gary =================== Gary Luke feraltek@zeta.org.au fax +61-2-9519-9907 Sydney, Australia