Hi Joy, Short answer is no. Pre-1856 in NSW they are not *birth* certificates, but Baptism certificates. They show very little info - Name, date of birth, date of baptism, parents' names & abode, Parish, Denomination, Minister's name and sponsors' names. There is a space for father's occupation but none of mine have ever shown it. Also, I think the Registrar's records pre-civil registration (1856) were taken from the parish records, so BDM couldn't have anything that wasn't in the parish record. Can you not find any records for this family after 1856? Those certificates would help you a lot more. Regards Pamela At 11:15 17.01.01 +1100, Joy Bruce wrote: >Can sks please advise me whether a birth certificate issued in 1842 will >contain any more information than that found on the parish record of >baptism. On the parish film I obtained the following information: >Father: William Robert McKay, shipbuilder of George Street, Sydney >Mother: Mary Ann >Parish of St. Lawrence, Sydney, >Date of birth: 6th June 1847 Grafton NSW >Date of Baptism: 25th December 1842 Sydney >The father is proving extremely difficult to research and I am wondering >if the birth certificate will give me any more information. >Hopefully, >Joy Bruce in Queensland. > > > > > >==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== >Australia's First and Biggest Genealogy Server >Announces ... Your Very Own, Free Webspace .. go to >http://www.southernx.com.au/webspace/personal_page.html > >============================== >Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp >Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > An Aussie, transplanted to Rotorua, NZ.

Janelle Cust has recently published a history of the family of her German born ancestor Johann Christopher Pabst. Pabst arrived in Sydney in 1826 as an employeee of the Australian Agricultural Company. After his contract expire he married and moved to what is now Holbrook and bought the Woolpack Inn in 1840 and it became known as"the German's" and the village became Germanton. Although primarily a family history, a secondary focus of this book is the development of Germanton from its European beginnings in 1838 until it was renamed Holbrook in 1815. The book's title is: "The Pabst Family and Germanton Remembered" ISBN 0-646-40793-7. Ann Prendergast, Sydney Ann Prendergast anniep@fl.net.au

I am looking for the children of the above who was known as Donald Cameron b 1908 and married in Brisbane to ? Donald had a brother Damien, two sisters, Daphne and Peggy all born around 1890-1910. Donald had at least two children I would dearly love to contact, they would now be in their 60s. Pam

----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Braden Neville" <judespot@senet.com.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 17 January 2001 19:47 Subject: Voyage Details of the Trieste - Newcastle to USA 1864? Hi Judith > Does anyone have details of the ship Trieste which sailed > from Newcastle I think, in 1864 and arrived in the USA > on the 9th July, 1864 please? Tthere are no offical departure records / passenger lists at NSW State Records from NSW ports till c 1910 About the only info source would be the shipping departure lists in the local newspapers . .Not sure if departures from Newcastle would be in the Sydney Morning Herald ?? Could be a ref in the Maitland Mercury ? Bye Marg Morters Central Coast Family History Society GOSFORD NSW Australia

----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Bruce" <joybruce@caboolture.hotkey.net.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 17 January 2001 11:15 Subject: NSW Birth Cerificate > Can sks please advise me whether a birth certificate issued in 1842 will Hi Joy Was no such thing as birth certs in NSW till 1856 when civil registration of BDM started. Before that are just church records of baptism , marriage and burial . In the NSW Pioneers BDMs these all have a V prefix > contain any more information than that found on the parish record of > baptism. On the parish film I obtained the following information: > Father: William Robert McKay, shipbuilder of George Street, Sydney > Mother: Mary Ann > Parish of St. Lawrence, Sydney, > Date of birth: 6th June 1847 Grafton NSW > Date of Baptism: 25th December 1842 Sydney ???????? Typo ??????? > The father is proving extremely difficult to His death cert offers no clue ? Did they have any children after 1855 ??? Have you tried NSW State Records for info on ship builders ?? bye Marg Morters Central Coast Family History Society GOSFORD NSW Australia

Hi Listers, A few questions about early schools in New South Wales,please. When would have been the first public schools in New South Wales? When did it become compulsory to go to school ? At what age could one leave? What would be the earliest school records still existence? Regards to all, Robin. Ottawa.

Hello all I too would be interested to know. Lyn from Hawaii ----- Original Message ----- From: "David & Sandra Bales" <sandave@turboweb.net.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 7:11 PM Subject: Re: Early Schools. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "scarter" <scarter@magma.ca> > To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 4:44 PM > Subject: Early Schools. > > > > Hi Listers, > > > > A few questions about early schools in New South Wales,please. > > > > When would have been the first public schools in New South Wales? > > > > When did it become compulsory to go to school ? > > > > At what age could one leave? > > > > What would be the earliest school records still existence? > > > > Regards to all, > > > > Robin. Ottawa. > > > Robyn, > I'm browsing through "Sydney &The Bush " a pictorial history of education in > N.S.W.to try and find your answers. This was written to commemmorate the > Centenary of the N.S.W. Dept. of Education in 1880. > Under The Public Instruction Act 1880 children were required to attend > school for 140 days each year. Exemptions and inadequate enforcement made > compulsory education largely ineffective. No mention of ages but it appears > to be mainly up to teenage years.Very little Secondary education. > Up until 1848 there doesn't appear to be any government education. From then > there were 5 systems of schools, four denominatioal and one government i.e > public schools. > As far as the earliest records go there is information in the book about > dame schools begun within 2 years of settlement. The colony's 1st dame > school teachers were convicted petty pilferers. The whole establishment was > a government one so there are sure to be records bound in red tape about > most of the schools if only one knew where. I don't know the leaving age but > child teachers could start at 13. In 1868 of 1 014 teachers, 165 were pupil > teachers. Teacher training was extended to 3 months in 1867. > I won't bore listers with more. Let me know if I can help any further. > David in Gosford. > > > ==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== > Guidelines for the Conference of Australian History > http://www.southernx.com.au/rootsweb.html > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Hello I recently received a birth & death certicicate from VIC. On the same pages there are an additional 3 deaths & 3 births. If you think you may have a connection to these, please reply direct to me (off list) and I"ll give you more details. Death in the district of BENDOC VIC - all in the year 1898 REF: 15187 Maryann Taylor married woman - 76 years REF: 15188 David Richardson -12 years REF: 15189 Mary Higgs - 3 days Births in the district of BENDOC VIC - all in the year 1900 REF: 8795 James Joseph Allen - Parents: George & Agnes - married NSW Hector Hutchinson - Parents: John & Sarah - married VIC Charlers Roy Jackson - Parents: James & Adelaide - married NSW Sandra, Sydney, NSW http://www.members.tripod.com/baker1865/

Hi Listers, Does anyone have details of the ship Trieste which sailed from Newcastle I think, in 1864 and arrived in the USA on the 9th July, 1864 please? Regards Judith Neville Australia Researching: DAVIES/DAVIS [Cincinatti,OH] HUTCHESON [Vanderburgh Co.IN. Tarrant Co.TX,Topeka,KS] MARLEY/MORLEY [Vanderburgh Co.IN., Tarrant Co.TX.,Buncombe Co.N.C.] LEWIS [Vanderburgh Co.IN.,Tarrant Co.TX] SNEDDON [Stirling,Lanark,Edinburgh,Mid & West Lothian], BENNIE [Polmont, STIRLINGSHIRE] GRANT [Polmont, STIRLINGHSHIRE] HAIR [AYR] NEILL [AYR,RENFREW] RICHMOND [AYR] FARROW [UK] WORLEY [London, UK] WARREN [South Australia]

Hi Leanne Friends of Rookwood Inc PO Box W59 HOMEBUSH WEST 2140 Contact for further info: Robyn Hawes 9499 2415 Colleen Central Coast NSW

No - not the Algerian King - but a ship that arrived in Port Phillip in 1857 carrying some of my husband's ancestors. I have looked in the Log of Logs but can't find it and you get some very weird suggestions when you enter this into a search engine! Has anyone heard of this ship? I'd love to know more. Best wishes Angela

Hi All Richard's Church Albums - Update 17/01/2001 http://www.thirdman-webmaster.co.uk/index.html At the last up date we had 961 churches listed with photographs (small & Large) and many with text. With the help of our photo contributors we have now added another 95, this is in the last two weeks with many more to come More updates in the future. Richard Richard & Trish Derrick Richard@thirdman-webmaster.co.uk or Trish@thirdman-webmaster.co.uk Websites: "Richard's Church Albums" (New Site) - http://www.thirdman-webmaster.co.uk/index.html "Richard's Church Albums" (Old Site) - http://www.softnet.co.uk/thirdman/index.html "Our Family Albums" - http://www.zoom.co.uk/family.tree/index.html "Richard's Albums" - http://www.thirdman.swinternet.co.uk/index.html

While on a short trip to Sydney I found two references to my gggrandfather in the AGCI in the State Library. They are as follows: 1. McKay James 1842 Birth Biographical Dictionary NSAG 1842 P.287 2. McKay James 1864 Professional Biographical Dictionary NSAG J9/1/2 page 296. I know the source of the first reference which is the Pioneers of Fiji Cyclopedia published in 1907 but the page reference for No2. is not in the Cyclopedia. I contacted SAG but their charge for research amounts to over $30. All I really want to know is where would I find the Professional Biographical Dictionary mentioned. I Know that James Martin McKay left Sydney in 1864 to pursue a shipbuilding career in Fiji. Is there sks who can advise me on how I can find this reference source. TIA Joy Bruce in Queensland

Can sks please advise me whether a birth certificate issued in 1842 will contain any more information than that found on the parish record of baptism. On the parish film I obtained the following information: Father: William Robert McKay, shipbuilder of George Street, Sydney Mother: Mary Ann Parish of St. Lawrence, Sydney, Date of birth: 6th June 1847 Grafton NSW Date of Baptism: 25th December 1842 Sydney The father is proving extremely difficult to research and I am wondering if the birth certificate will give me any more information. Hopefully, Joy Bruce in Queensland.

> Hello List > Could SKS give me the NZ website for BD&M please.... or > failing that... the NZ List address, please, > Try http://www.bdm.govt.nz Betty of the Bay of Islands, NZ http://members.tripod.com/BettyJuranovich FreeBMD - http://FreeBMD.rootsweb.com The Archive CD Books Project http://www.archivecdbooks.com

Hello Listers I have just heard from a cousin in Scotland that one of our rellies migrated to Australia in the mid-late 1800s. He was John McCALL b.1825 s/o Alexander McCALL and Elizabeth TWININGHAM and married to Agnes FINDLAY. I have a record of one daughter born to him in Scotland - Elizabeth Twiningham McCALL in 1859. All this happened in Ayrshire. It is thought possible that a John McCALL who went later to Glasgow University from Tasmania could be his son. I would be grateful if anyone could point me in the right direction to find some of these. Elizabeth Twiningham McCALL may be the easiest with such a distinctive middle name. Any bells ringing anyone? Cheers. Pam robinspm@fan.net.au Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia

Hello, I have a spare death certificate I would be happy to pass onto an interested person - Sarah Anne HADE Died: 30.12.1917 at Bass, Victoria Born: Woods Point, Victoria Husband: Edward A Hade Children: Gordon Clive HADE David John HADE Ida Ethel HADE Father: David McINTOSH - Ship's Carpenter Mother: HARRISON Jenny Victoria

Folks Need some help I am trying to research a HUGHES family who lived in Tasmania some time betwen 1827 and 1842. They appear to have had a number of children. The ancestor in particular that I am searching for is William Henry Hughes, said to have been born on 9 Oct 1827, but no record can be found in the indexes. The father is a curious story. He is supposed to be WILLIAM HUGHES and the mother Anne McCoy. However, looking in the BDM and the Tasmania Family Link pages, the family is shown as having a Mary, Catherina, Franciscus, James and John. The story gets curious when you find that the father for Catherina and Franciscus is shown not as William but Gullielmo or Gullielmi (Spanish for William I believe) A marriage certificate listed William Hughes (the father) as a ships captain. I am told he was a shipbuilder. His son William Henry ended up in NSW and had a very large family. He is even supposed to have been baptised in 1828 in Sydney. My questions are: - anyone heard of this fellow or family ? - anyone know of how someone came to have a name Gullielmo in Tasmnania ? - anyone know who is responsible for makeing the "connections" in the Family Link web pages. - anyone point in the direction of what I can do next ? thanks in advance henry

Good evening group I hav just been speaking with a cousin who now tells me he has many medals of our great grandfather, one of which is to do with the Exhibition of 1880 in Melbourne. This medal has "a woman with a funny hat on one side and on the other some wording and H.A.Crawford Juror". Can anyone explain what this medal is and what position a "Juror" was for the Exhibition? If there is a web site I'd appreciate the URL also. Just like a cousin isn't it. I've been speaking frequently with him asking him if he has anything else on gg, and always "nothing else nothing else" is the reply, then tonight he tells me he has all this. AFTER the book has been printed. I'm in Brisbane and he's in Melbourne, so that makes him extremely lucky! regards Denise ###################################### Denise Marriott McMahon - ex Melbourne 21 years Brisbane Queensland - Searching - CONWAY - County Clare and N.E. Victoria MCNEIL - Isle of Skye Scotland and Victoria GREEN - Tasmania CRAWFORD, NE Victoria, USA, Ireland, Scotland HAEFFNER, NE Victoria,Leibenstadt Baden Germany KRAEMER, Leibenstadt Baden Germany HALL, Victoria, England MARRIOTT, Victoria, England PINNER, Tasmania, Victoria, England JENKS, Melbourne, Lismore NSW and NH USA, Victoria and NSW Australia FOSTER, Rutland Ma USA and Keene NH USA NOONAN - Ireland and Australia???? ###############################################

But wait! There's more! I have a Rawleigh's fly sprayer. It has the sun's rays on it. It is black and yellow. You put the Rawliegh's fly spray in the tank at the front, then pumped away to give those flies the flick! Only Australians will recognize the pun in the last phrase. Cheers, Christopher ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill and Ian ROY" <royz@bigpond.com> To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 13 January 2001 8:36 PM Subject: Rawleigh's - Thankyou I am putting a big thankyou to the list for all the people who answered with their stories of Rawleigh's. I must have been living on another planet. Everyone seems to have had some experience with them except me. You have all contributed to my education on this one. Thankyou one and all. Jill ==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== Subscribe to the AGI (Australian Genealogy Information) Bulletin A Free Service for Australian Family Historians http://www.southernx.com.au/ ============================== The only real-time collaboration tool that allows you and other family members to create a FREE, password-protected family tree. http://www.ancestry.com/oft/login.asp