Thanks Neil, Already tried that. Searched the whole of Australia with the Trading Post and nothing. I am even trying to purchase new and can find nothing on the Internet. Thanks for the suggestion June

Subject: Exiles to Victoria in 1840's Kay wrote: > > I found a reference to one of my people on the Assisted immigrants to Port Phillip microfiche. When I accessed the actual passenger list, I was surprised to see that it was a ship full of 'exiles' from Pentonville prison. > > The ship, the Anna Maria, landed in Geelong on the 23 June 1848. Does anyone know if exiles is just another word for convict? Were these people taken from the ship and incarcerated for the duration of their sentence, or were they simply set free in Australia, on a sort of good behavior bond as implied by the term 'exile' ? The charges seemed very minor...they were not murderers or anything more than petty thieves in the list I read. > > I would be very interested to hear more about the system of transportation to Victoria, as hither to I had not realized that Victoria was a penal colony. > A quick reply: The preamble & postscript may tell you most of what you want to know: ** "Whereas the following persons are under Sentence of Transportation, they having been convicted of felony at the times and places hereafter mentioned, viz Joseph Archer at Walsingham in March 1845.................." " We, in Consideration of some Circumstances humbly represented unto Us, are Graciously pleased to extend Our Grace and Mercy unto the several persons above named, and to grant them Our Pardon for the crimes of which they stand Convicted, on Condition that they be conveyed as soon as conveniently may be, to Port Phillip in Our Territory of Australia - that they do not return to Our United Kingdom during the remaining term of their respective Sentences of Transportation - and that they shall continue under the Said Sentences until they arrive at Port Phillip aforesaid, when this Our Pardon shall take effect - Given at Our Court of St James's the Twenty Ninth day of December 1846 in the Tenth Year of Our Reign" "To Our Trusty and Wellbeloved The Lieutenant Governor of Our Island of Van Dieman's Land; The Governor of Our Territory of New South Wales; The Superintendent of Port Phillip in Our Said Territory, and all others whom it may concern" "By Her Majesty's Command" (countersigned by Earl Grey) 1727 of these exiles went to Port Phillip, other ships went to VDL and a couple to NSW, one of which, I think was diverted to Moreton Bay. By my study of these men, 1 in 7 returned to crime (i.e. were caught!), so the experiment was not a total disaster. However I have seen police reports on several who should have been imprisoned, but managed to evade it. These men served time and learned a trade: mat maker, rug maker, basket maker, bootmaker, carpenter, tailor, and the idea was that they were being given the chance to start a new life without the stigma of their background. Regards, Ada

G'day June, I suggest you phone your government mob....I did just that last week and am waiting for a call back from an educational institution re buying Micro fiche readers for a nominal price. I am the county co-ordinator for Lancashire...a very newbie....an would love to hear from anyone who would like to help transcribe info to go onto the Net for free access to all. Cheers Judy in a cooler Tasmania. ----- Original Message ----- From: June Nicholls <juneen@one.net.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 5:02 PM Subject: Microfiche Reader > Hi List, > can anyone suggest where I might purchase a second-hand microfiche reader > from in the Brisbane area ? > I have searched online but not had much luck so far > Bye for now > June Nicholls, Queensland, Australia > > juneen@one.net.au > http://web.one.net.au/~juneen > or > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~juneen/ > > ______________________________

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Subject: International Exhibition 1880 Denise asked : > I hav just been speaking with a cousin who now tells me he has many medals of >our great grandfather, one of which is to do with the Exhibition of 1880 in >Melbourne. This medal has "a woman with a funny hat on one side Dear, oh! me!..That's Queen Victoria! with crown and a sort of scarf draped down towards the back of her head behind her ear. >and on the other some wording that would be "Inventas aut qui vitam excolvere per artes" (from Virgil's Aeneid 6.663) , and is a description of those met in heaven: "Or those who ennobled life through the truths they discovered" As a motto it means "Life ennobled by truths" >and H.A.Crawford Juror". Judging the exhibits was a serious matter over 350 gentlemen volunteered for the thirty eight juries to judge thousands of exhibits. They began their work in the previous October and were expected to announce the medal awards by 21 March . Presented were 559 first awards to Great Britain, 388 to France, 373 to Victoria, 259 to Germany, 138 to Italy & 115 to USA >Can anyone explain what this medal is and what position a "Juror" was for the >Exhibition? A member of a committee of judges for one of the categories of exhibits. Hope that helps. Regards, Ada

Hi List, can anyone suggest where I might purchase a second-hand microfiche reader from in the Brisbane area ? I have searched online but not had much luck so far Bye for now June Nicholls, Queensland, Australia juneen@one.net.au http://web.one.net.au/~juneen or http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~juneen/

Thanks to those who replied re my problem with Maxi. I have got thru and purchased my certificates but find that I am still unable to search. So listers, I think there may be a problem with Search at the moment. regards Denise ###################################### Denise Marriott McMahon - ex Melbourne 21 years Brisbane Queensland - Searching - CONWAY - County Clare and N.E. Victoria MCNEIL - Isle of Skye Scotland and Victoria GREEN - Tasmania CRAWFORD, NE Victoria, USA, Ireland, Scotland HAEFFNER, NE Victoria,Leibenstadt Baden Germany KRAEMER, Leibenstadt Baden Germany HALL, Victoria, England MARRIOTT, Victoria, England PINNER, Tasmania, Victoria, England JENKS, Melbourne, Lismore NSW and NH USA, Victoria and NSW Australia FOSTER, Rutland Ma USA and Keene NH USA NOONAN - Ireland and Australia???? ###############################################

Hi all. Hope some kind lister might be able to help me find a couple of lost contacts. I have letters and information from them both and I am desperately trying to find them again. Neither's email or phone number is current. Jeff tyler. At last contact worked for Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu (accountants) in New Zealand. Was planning a move to melb. Pamela Blackburn. Lived in North Balwyn. No longer there according to directory assistance. Both are decendants (as I am) of Johan Hecker and Elizabeth March (Mench/Marich/Murich). Born in Bavaria..settled in Taradale. If anyone can help it would be much appreciated. *********************************************** Stephen O'connor researching O'connor, Cock, Cocks, Punton, Windsor, Gribbin, Marchioni, Webster, Neilan, Kelly, Lehane, Hecker, Rowlings, Rowe, Castleman, Kick, Dobson, Kick http://www.heathcoteps.vic.edu.au/stephen/stephen.htm ***********************************************

Hello Evereyone The book Mechanical Eye by Allen Davies and Peter Stanbury is not expensive at all. As I purchased my copy 2-3 yrs ago and cost $60. However because of a tear on the cover it cost me only $30. Well worth it. If I can help anyone with dates please conatct me. REgards Grahame PS. This book was first printed in 1985 not sure if still availiable.

----- Original Message ----- From: "pam curtis" <windsor38@one.net.au> To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 27 January 2001 07:57 Subject > Would be most interest as I have lost a friend in W.A and just can't trace > her. Tried the phone book - is there access to the electoral Roll? Certainly is. Just go to any Federal Electoral Commision Office. Only take a short time to check the whole of Aus. Or all State Libraries now have the recent rolls for all States too Slight problem is if she married........... bye Marg Morters Central Coast Family History Society GOSFORD NSW Australia > Sent: 26 January 2001 08:15 > Subject: JAN WILLIAMS (nee SAY) LOST IN QUEENSLAND > > > > Hi listers > > > > We have lost a friend in Queensland due to loss of address and were hoping > > someone could at least point us in the right direction. Jan SAY from Oz > > married Terry Williams from Gloucester in the UK and they moved back to > > their last known address in Bracken Ridge, Queenland aprox 1997/98. > > > > Terry was an accountant by occupation. Being a UK lister I thought it > might > > pay to ask if anybody could at least point us to a web site to try to > track > > her down as we are desperate to make contact. Knowing how helpful listers > > are from my own experience maybe someone out there can help? > > > > Kind regards from a cold and wet (as usual) UK > > > > Julian Rogers > > > > > > ==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== > > Subscribe to the AGI (Australian Genealogy Information) Bulletin > > A Free Service for Australian Family Historians > > http://www.southernx.com.au/ > > > > ============================== > > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > > > > > ______________________________

Dear All Well just to let you know that out of the numbers your gave to me, we have managed to trace our friend Jan. Thank you all so much it has taken three years and we are very grateful to all of you out their for helping us. If we can help you in anyway please get in touch. Kind regards ----- Original Message ----- From: Julian Rogers <julianrogers@julianrogers.worldonline.co.uk> To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 10:15 PM Subject: JAN WILLIAMS (nee SAY) LOST IN QUEENSLAND > Hi listers > > We have lost a friend in Queensland due to loss of address and were hoping > someone could at least point us in the right direction. Jan SAY from Oz > married Terry Williams from Gloucester in the UK and they moved back to > their last known address in Bracken Ridge, Queenland aprox 1997/98. > > Terry was an accountant by occupation. Being a UK lister I thought it might > pay to ask if anybody could at least point us to a web site to try to track > her down as we are desperate to make contact. Knowing how helpful listers > are from my own experience maybe someone out there can help? > > Kind regards from a cold and wet (as usual) UK > > Julian Rogers >

Hi Listers and a wonderful 2001 to each of you. I am trying to contact FAYE & BRIAN HEANY replying to an email they sent me and it keeps bouncing. FAYE & BRIAN please contact me so I can get back to you with information on the JURD family. Many thanks listers for your patience and support. Best wishes for a great year Peter Stewart Brisbane SAVE OUR CENSUS ON 7 AUGUST 2001 VOTE "YES" To keeping your household census form in the National Archives of Australia, so this data will be available for genealogical, historical and medical research by our descendants in 100 years time. There are more than 100,000 genealogists in Australia. TELL 10 OF YOUR FRIENDS TO TELL 10 OF THEIR FRIENDS HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO SAVE THESE RECORDS. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^ "To Live On In The Hearts And Minds Of Descendants ^ ^ Is To Never Die". ^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Researching: Descendants of Daniel & Elizabeth Jurd, and associated families in the Hawkesbury and Macdonald River, Wollombi and Hunter Region as well as Moree and surrounding districts. Also researching the families of Dugald & Hannah Stewart [Jurd Connection] paternal Timothy & Margretta Tomlins} maternal David & Mary Simon } side _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

Sorry but not having much success in finding Jan Williams, perhaps someone will know her as Jan Say whose parents lived at 16 Parkmore Street Boondall 4034 Queensland Austria This was prior to her marrying an English man from Gloucestershire. She eventually had 3 childrent 2 boys and one girl, believe she was training to be a Nursery Nurse? However, did know that they had a computer so perhaps she is on the internet??? We would very much like to trace her and Terry as explained he was training or we would image by now a fully trained Accountant. Jan would be in late 40s early 50s. Terry about the same. Perhaps someone out their knows of her parents, as they lived in the same address for quite a long time and maybe still there. Sorry for putting you people to so much trouble, but lost contact with them when we moved house just over three years ago, you know, threw out a lot of letters etc prior to move. Thank you for trying to help. Kind regards Julians ----- Original Message ----- From: Julian Rogers <julianrogers@julianrogers.worldonline.co.uk> To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 10:15 PM Subject: JAN WILLIAMS (nee SAY) LOST IN QUEENSLAND > Hi listers > > We have lost a friend in Queensland due to loss of address and were hoping > someone could at least point us in the right direction. Jan SAY from Oz > married Terry Williams from Gloucester in the UK and they moved back to > their last known address in Bracken Ridge, Queenland aprox 1997/98. > > Terry was an accountant by occupation. Being a UK lister I thought it might > pay to ask if anybody could at least point us to a web site to try to track > her down as we are desperate to make contact. Knowing how helpful listers > are from my own experience maybe someone out there can help? > > Kind regards from a cold and wet (as usual) UK > > Julian Rogers >

Listers. Is anyone else having trouble accessing Maxi BDM's Victoria in the past fortnight? I am trying to buy a couple of certificates and am having nothing but trouble. Dense ###################################### Denise Marriott McMahon - ex Melbourne 21 years Brisbane Queensland - Searching - CONWAY - County Clare and N.E. Victoria MCNEIL - Isle of Skye Scotland and Victoria GREEN - Tasmania CRAWFORD, NE Victoria, USA, Ireland, Scotland HAEFFNER, NE Victoria,Leibenstadt Baden Germany KRAEMER, Leibenstadt Baden Germany HALL, Victoria, England MARRIOTT, Victoria, England PINNER, Tasmania, Victoria, England JENKS, Melbourne, Lismore NSW and NH USA, Victoria and NSW Australia FOSTER, Rutland Ma USA and Keene NH USA NOONAN - Ireland and Australia???? ###############################################

This book can be purchased at various bookshops by going to bibliofind.com. It is very expensive. Alternately you can borrow it from Libraries.

Hi, I am looking for help or information in tracing my MARY RYAN. She turned up at Newcastle in c1853 where she had a son to a William Cooper. She later married same William Cooper at Bathurst in 1855 where marriage certificate stated she came from Tipperary. Her parents being Cornelius Ryan and Margaret Long. I have no knowledge of her entry into Australia. Any help or suggestions would be very much appreciated. Regards Lois Keys Queensland Australia mailto:loisk@fan.net.au

Anyone researching Owen Hargrave SUFFOLK? this may be of interest. From Clunes Gazette November 1868. The gushing gentleman who wrote “Days of Crime and Years of Suffering” for the Australasian has a length met with his deserts. One of the English papers just to hand contained the following:- Owen Hargrave Suffolk, described in the calendar as a journalist pleaded guilty to stealing a black mare a phaeton, and a set of harness, belonging to the landlady of the White Horse Hotel, Ipswhich, and also to obtaining L10 by means of false pretences from one Arthur Gibbons. It appeared from a document handed in by the learned counsel for the prosecution, Mr. Sims Reeve, that in the year 1846 the prisoner had been sentenced to transportation and penal servitude for twenty-nine years and a half. When called upon to say why judgement should not be passed on him, he begged for mercy on account of his wife, aged nineteen and her infant child. The Chief Justice: “Don’t try to impose on me. I know your career. You were married to a widow, obtained her property, deserted her, pretended by a false report inserted in a newspaper that you were drowned, went away with your brother’s child, who cannot therefore by your wife.” (The prisoner here interrupting said, “she is my wife, My Lord.”) “Then,” said his lordship, “if you did marry her, you have added bigamy to your other offences, and I sentence you now to a term of fifteen years penal servitude.” Hope it helps someone untangle a family tree. Cheers Jacqui Central Victoria. www.oldnewscopy.com. "It's Old News!"

Friday 19 Jan a question was asked about early schools in NSW and answered from "Sydney and the Bush" an exellent source re schooling but further to what was written. There were a number of schools run by the Anglican Church pre 1848 and funded by the government. Records re funding at State Records. Ebenezer church (Presbyterian) built 1809 was also used as a school room. The government orphanages run schools. Govenor King established the first. Children from the orphanages were apprenticed out aged about 12.( Not all children in the orphanages were orphans. Children accompanying female convicts post mid 1820s were placed in the orphanage, soldiers whose wives died put their children in the orphanage.) Children in the orphange were educated and trained in employable skills. Some children were sent to work from about age 9. There are children in the 1828 Census listed as working aged 9. A 9 year old girl was considered quite capable of minding babies and young children. Assistered immigrants children of 12 to 14 were considered old enough to be sent to work seperate from thier parents. The early schols were in the settled area, ie in 1820s there were schools in the Hawkesbury but not the Hunter- Another excellent source post 1848 is "Government School of New South Wales" in several additions the latest is 1848-to 1998. Most NSW public Libraries would have a copy. This book lists when every government school was started and what sort of school it was. A full public school a provisional or half time school. In the front there explanations of how many pupils were required for each type, this changed over time.- Elizabeth A. Roberts N.S.W. Genealogical and Historical Research Wahroonga NSW

Would be most interest as I have lost a friend in W.A and just can't trace her. Tried the phone book - is there access to the electoral Roll? Pam Surfers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian Rogers" <julianrogers@julianrogers.worldonline.co.uk> To: <AUSTRALIA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 26 January 2001 08:15 Subject: JAN WILLIAMS (nee SAY) LOST IN QUEENSLAND > Hi listers > > We have lost a friend in Queensland due to loss of address and were hoping > someone could at least point us in the right direction. Jan SAY from Oz > married Terry Williams from Gloucester in the UK and they moved back to > their last known address in Bracken Ridge, Queenland aprox 1997/98. > > Terry was an accountant by occupation. Being a UK lister I thought it might > pay to ask if anybody could at least point us to a web site to try to track > her down as we are desperate to make contact. Knowing how helpful listers > are from my own experience maybe someone out there can help? > > Kind regards from a cold and wet (as usual) UK > > Julian Rogers > > > ==== AUSTRALIA Mailing List ==== > Subscribe to the AGI (Australian Genealogy Information) Bulletin > A Free Service for Australian Family Historians > http://www.southernx.com.au/ > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > >

I'd just like to thank the many people who have offered suggestions on locating the book "The Mechanical Eye". I have now located and ordered a copy. Again, thank you Gina