Hello again Jeannine, I have found your last email very easily! At the moment, I have no evidence to connect my Bateups with your Bateups. However, given the fact that all the Bateups I have seen have come from SUSSEX and allowing for long time spans between the oldest and youngest siblings, many of them could be related. This is especially so when you consider that generally siblings didn't come together, but an elder one came several years before a younger one. This seems to have happened in both our families. One interesting family that I found on IGI is this: Samuel and Elizabeth BATEUP (in Sussex) had many children (I don't know them all- as I don't how to work the IGI properly!), including: 1. Samuel chr. on 15.2.1795 at Brede, Sussex 2. Mary chr. 26.4.1801 at Brede Sussex 3. Richard chr. 5.12.1802 at Brede Sussex 4. Maria chr. 18.1.1807 at Brede Sussex 5. Jacob chr. 17.4.1809 at Brede Sussex 6. Esau chr. 17.4.1809 at Brede Sussex 7. Thomas chr. 12.4.1812 at Brede Sussex I don't know how many of these came to NSW, but: 1. Thomas and Martha Bateup were here by 1839 (child James born), and possibly earlier as an infant George Bateup died in 1837 in NSW. Thomas Bateup died at Redfern in 1889. 2. Esau Bateup married Anne Eldridge in Rye, Sussex in 1837. A son John was born in NSW in 1844. Esau died in Sydney in 1886 and Anne died in Redfern in 1887. This family could be related to all the other BATEUPs here! We must keep hunting. Best wishes Sybil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeannine" <[email protected]> To: "Cameron" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [HV] Three BATEUP families > Hello again Sybil > > I will reply to your email throughout its text: > > > There may well be a connection, although I don't have any hard evidence, > > yet. > > Well, we will both have to keep plodding away and see what we can come up > with to either prove or dis-prove a connection. > ====================== > > I noticed that a Mary Bateup died at sea in 1858, so I assume that this > was > > the year your family emigrated. > > Yes, that's her - they came on the Golconda (ship). > ======================= > >Son Thomas came a few months earlier, when he was 18. His brother John, who > must have >been older than Thomas, arrived even earlier - and probably had > a relative to greet him! > > Yep, that's our Thomas and John. Too bad we can't find John's arrival as the > shipping details would probably tell us who the welcoming rellie was (and > where they were!). At least that would help us to learn if it was one of > your Bateups! > ====================== > > I am looking for Ann Bateup who was born in Sussex in about 1821. She died > > in 1897 at Mudgee aged 76 years. > > I too had rellies in the Mudgee and Gulgong areas (not Bateups - they are my > husband's line) so, in future, I will keep my eyes open for an Ann and Henry > Smith when I'm reading things connected to that area. > ====================== > > She married Henry SMITH (not a good name in genealogy research)!. I don't > > know where or when they married. There is no record on the NSW BDMs of a > > marriage in NSW, so they may have married in England. However, their first > > child was baptised in NSW in 1842. > > > Ann BATEUP would be the right age to be a possible sister of your Samuel > > Bateup. > > You don't have parents for her from her death registration, do you? Samuel's > parents were John Bateup and Mary Simms. > ======================= > > With regard to the families I mentioned in my earlier email, I note from > the > > IGI (not always reliable); the FREE BMD and NSW BDMs, the following: > > > > Samuel and Elizabeth BATEUP were the parents of: <snip> > > Would you be kind enough to tell me the actual dates and places relating > to > > your Samuel and his parents - and any of their siblings? We may be able to > > sort something out! > > Samuel was the son of John Bateup and Mary Simms. He was born Salehurst, > Sussex, England c. 1803. He died Picton NSW on 10 September 1874. His wife > was Mary King - they married 26 November 1831 at Ewhurst, Sussex. She died > on ship Golconda 1858. So far I have no details of any of Samuel's siblings. > My husband is descended from one of Samuel and Mary's sons (Samuel Jnr). > > Children of Mary and Samuel were: > > John - born c.1836 > Emma - born c.1839 > Thomas - born c.1840 > Samuel - born c.1842 > Mary Jane - born c.1846 > Amos - born c.1848 > Frances - born c.1851 > Martha - born 1855 > > Two of these (Samuel and Martha) married a Burgess brother and sister (at > Picton, NSW). > > That's about all I have so far (except for marriages and children of the > above 8 children of Sam and Mary). This is a fairly new line of research for > me so haven't "looked" in England yet. > > I suggest we keep in touch periodically and keep each other abreast of any > developments. > > Good luck with your research and best wishes, Jeannine Henry. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jeannine" <[email protected]> > > To: "Cameron" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 9:48 PM > > Subject: Re: [HV] Three BATEUP families > > > > > > > Hello Sybil, > > > > > > I was most interested to read your posting to the Hunter Valley List > > > concerning the surname BATEUP. > > > > > > My husband has this name in his maternal ancestry. His Bateups came to > > > Australia a little later than the ones you mentioned. Col's Bateups > > arrived > > > 1858 and were from Sussex, England. Place names (in Sussex) mentioned in > > > different records relating to them (eg. marriage place, different places > > the > > > children were born, etc) include Ewhurst, Roberts Bridge and Salehurst. > > Do > > > any of these places connect with the places of origin for your Bateups? > > > > > > The couple who came here with their family (ranging in age from young > > adults > > > to a 3 year old) were Mary (King) and Samuel Bateup. Mary died on the > > voyage > > > here. Samuel's parents were John Bateup and Mary Simms. Any familiar > > names > > > there? > > > > > > Samuel Bateup settled in the Picton area of NSW, and most of his > children > > > stayed there too in later years when they were adults. However one of > that > > > family, Thomas Bateup (born Sussex 1840), is proving elusive. He arrived > a > > > few months before his father and siblings arrived in Sydney, NSW. Thomas > > > arrived at Moreton Bay (Brisbane) but his name appears as Batcup on the > > > shipping records! He already had a brother John in the colony of NSW - > at > > > Picton. So far I have been unable to find details of John's entry into > > > Australia. > > > > > > One thing I have noticed is the many variations in the spelling of > Bateup > > in > > > the Australian records - take care to look for all these! Eg. Baytup, > > > Baitup, Baycup, Batcup, Baytip, etc. > > > > > > I will be interested to hear if you connect with any of the above names > or > > > places. > > > > > > Best wishes, Jeannine. > > > > > > > I am researching three early BATEUP families in NSW. > > > > > > > > Thomas and Martha BATEUP were here by 1839, when they had their son > > James. > > > > > > > > Esau and Anne BATEUP were here by 1844, when they had their son John. > > > > > > > > Alfred and Elizabeth BATEUP were married in NSW in 1853 > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd be interested to know if anyone has researched these families. > They > > > may be related - there seems to be some cross-naming in the names of the > > > children of the first two families. > > > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > > > Sybil Cameron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >