Have just changed my email address, so thought that I would take the opportunity to list my names Pegrum / Rafferty / Crawford / Lewry / Aitchison / Pearman / Elliott / Edmonds / Frost / Higbid / Peach Susan Jones nee Pegrum Sydney

Hi Allan, I saw your ARMSTRONG name and thought I would add my two cents worth. I have am Elizabeth Ann ARMSTRONG who married Thomas POWDERLY in 1819 at St Johns Church, Parramatta. I don't know a lot about her except that she died at 94 years old in the Benevolent Asylum in Sydney. Was 1841 the first of your ARMSTRONGS to come to Australia? If so, I guess its a different family. But anything is worth a try, I think. Thanks Regards Cheryl > I am searching for any infomation or descendents of the following > ARMSTRONG'S. > who arrived in Sydney, Australia on 21st. July 1841 aboard the ship "HELEN". > Thomas ARMSTRONG age 37 and listed as a Home Labourer > Eliza ARMSTRONG age 35 and listed as a House Keeper > Andrew ARMSTRONG age 10, Son > Catherine ARMSTRONG age 9, daughter > Also > Thomas ARMSTRONG age 36 and listed as a Farm Servent > Frances ARMSTRONG age36 and listed as a Dairy Woman > Ann ARMSTRONG age 12, daughter > ? ? ARMSTRONG age10, son. > Hoping some one on the list has these people on their tree. > Regards to all > Allan Armstrong > > On the Central Coast of N.S.W. Australia. > E-Mail. [email protected] > > _

Hi all, A marriage notice from the Portland Chronicle. Hope it is of interest to someone. Also have a birth notice for JUSSUP and deaths for QUIGLEY & OTTEY if anybody wants them. Cheers Jacqui Cunningham Central Victoria http://www.oldnewscopy.com "It's Old News!" Portland Chronicle, February 22, 1856. "Married. February 16, at Glass Verandah Cottage, Percy-street, Portland, by the Rev. A. ROSS, Hugh Arthur Fender SCOWCROFT, Esq., Commander of ship Severn, to Marion Johnstone, second daughter of John PEARSON, Esq., Squatter, Portland."

Hi List, I have forwarded this onto the list as I had no way of helping Ian. I hope someone out there can. Can you please direct you suggestions to him at [email protected] Thanks to all. Cheers Jacqui ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 5:18 AM Subject: LOOKING FOR ANCESTORS/RELATIVES Ian Chisnall 8 Park View Eagley Bank Bolton BL1 7LE England 31st October 2001 Dear Sir or Madam I am writing to you to ask if you could possibly help my mother (Kathleen Chisnall -nee Walsh). She is interesting in tracing her family history. In particular she would love to find out some information about some relatives who emigrated to Australia early 20th Century. Her fathers sister married a man called Thomas Booth in Bolton Lancashire. Her name was Polly. They had four children: Sylvia Susie Samuel Annie We last heard of them around late 1920s. Polly Booth maiden name Walsh sister of William, Edward and Samuel Walsh all of Bolton. One of Polly's daughters was a music teacher.(We do not know which one). Polly died Tom remarried we dont know. The four children of the marriage between T homas and Polly are my mums cousins . She met them in the late 1920s while they were over visiting England (Bolton) . but she has long lost touch with them. We would love to know if any of these are still alive, although this would seem unlikely. alternatively we would like any news or information about them eg where buried; if they have any descendents, because we are doing our family tree. We think that when they left England it was Yarraville they emigrated to. Any information you could kindly provide would be received with utmost gratitude and would be treated with confidentiality. Yours with kind regards and thanks Ian Chisnall

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Dear Listers, Ten years ago I made an enquiry about a Williamstown newspaper 1858-1862, a gap in records available both newspaper, judicial & council, which I knew needed to be saved. I made enquiries of the State Library on the cost of restoring the newspaper for filming, with a negative copy (i.e. with a black instead of a clear background for ease of reading) for myself. It took a time, but eventually I received information on the system, how I could avail myself of it, and offering to give an estimate on the costs. It wasn't cheap, but I decided that I would have the copying done as a memorial to my husband, as each time I used the film I would think of him. The film was made, and this enabled libraries to order a print of the microfilm for a minimum charge, and saved the newspaper for the future. The State Library holds the master film. Some local history/ family groups have raised money to have local newspapers restored and filmed and this is a good idea, and a better project than many that have money thrown at them and show no lasting benefit. My friends see the humour in my project, because my husband was a technical man who was also an economist, with a "knock it down and replace it" attitude to old crumbling buildings where restoration was the more expensive option! He was always bemused at my "preoccupation with the past" and my "memorial microfilm" always recalls for me that he was always offering his wife's help to colleagues who even mentioned "history" or "family trees", which means he must have introduced the subject himself, else how would they know? At 16:29 31-10-01 +1100, Carl MATTHEWS wrote: >And owing to the fact that most of these publications are on acidic paper >they will fragile themselves to dust before they have any priority. I also >have had this problem with SLV, so it would appear that unless you have a >date of publication of the "Book" you can't see them. Perhaps they have >already disintegrated and this is just a put off. Without being cynical one >would have felt with all the centenaries and bicentenaries etc, that we have >had in recent years, this may have been a higher priortity than morning >"breakfasts" at rail stations and the City Square, and vote wooing "sausage >sizzles" or perhaps grass in Swanston street. > >Perhaps "its time" for some sort of concerted effoprt by those who wish >access. Perhaps Emails to SLV? > >Carl MATTHEWS >PAYNESVILLE. 3880. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Arthur Manz" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 3:10 PM >Subject: [AVG] Jolliffe at Korumburra > > > > Greetings, > > After good advice from Linda,Margaret and others, I visited the State > > Library whilst in Melbourne hoping to see copies of the Korumburra Free > > Press (which I was told they had), and to gain info about my Uncle William > > Jolliffe. The Librarian told me (firmly but kindly) that I should have >made > > an appointment to view, but in any case it was not possible for me or >anyone > > else to see any of these copies as they were too fragile. In time they >would > > be in microfilm but it was not of high priority to them. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ <snip> > > Cheers, Arthur Manz, Otaki, New Zealand. regards, Ada Ackerly, Melbourne, Australia formerly Ackerly DocuSearch

I am searching for any infomation or descendents of the following ARMSTRONG'S. who arrived in Sydney, Australia on 21st. July 1841 aboard the ship "HELEN". Thomas ARMSTRONG age 37 and listed as a Home Labourer Eliza ARMSTRONG age 35 and listed as a House Keeper Andrew ARMSTRONG age 10, Son Catherine ARMSTRONG age 9, daughter Also Thomas ARMSTRONG age 36 and listed as a Farm Servent Frances ARMSTRONG age36 and listed as a Dairy Woman Ann ARMSTRONG age 12, daughter ? ? ARMSTRONG age10, son. Hoping some one on the list has these people on their tree. Regards to all Allan Armstrong On the Central Coast of N.S.W. Australia. E-Mail. [email protected]

Diana Ford wrote: > > I am considering buying the above CD. I realise it is only a Census Index but claims to provide more information than a normal census Index would. > Has anyone purchased this CD and do they think it is worth buying? If it is the one that I think it is, it contains just a 2% sample of the 1851 census, so it depends on your luck as to whether who you want was included in the 2% tom

I have just started a website for anyone who is researching the Holdom name in Australia. As there only appears to be one family of Holdom's in Australia if you have this name in your tree it is relevant to you. To anyone who wants a look, I hope you find something of interest. http://www.shoal.net.au/~annette/holdom

In NSW there are 2 rolls of microfilm for Passengers departing, 1816-25. Part of the GRK. Not sure if any additions to the ARC listing. The volumes list both passengers and the ship's company. For the crew, details of their positions on the ship are given; and for the passengers, details of their status (e.g., "free by birth on Norfolk Island", "free by certificate No.15/2612"). N.B. This series is labelled "Ships Musters" on the microfilm boxes. Arrangement is chronological by date of ship departure. AO REEL DATES 561 Dec 1816-1822 562 1823-1825 Above information retrieved from the Genealogical Research Kit Guide to the State Archives of New South Wales. Information Leaflet No.37. I would also suggest that access vis the 'net to the State Archives of NSW may give you more information. http://www.records.nsw.gov.au Good Luck Maggie K M Keely Heffernan in Coffs Harbour, NSW, AUSTRALIA researching: BUCKLEY, HEFFERNAN, HERRICK, MALONE, SEYMOUR, TIERNEY from Tip. IRE, LORDEN/LORDON from Cork, IRE; CURTIS, FINNIGAN, KEELY, SMITH/SMYTH from Meath, IRE; CLARK from Sry. ENG, HILL from Lanc. ENG. HARMON from Little Rock, Arkansas, USA. [email protected]

Department of Immigration & Multicultural Affairs Historical Departmental Records Files A range of files were maintained containing the migration application, sponsorship or application to remain permanently in Australia. Citizenship applications were also retained on individual files. Historic files are retained by Australian Archives. Passenger Movement Records Passenger records for the period prior to 1965 are those contained within ship & airline passenger manifests lists. Some of these are retained by Australian Archives Nominal rolls of assisted passage migrants arriving in this period were maintained by the Department but transferred to Australian Archives for storage. On 1 January 1965 a system of Passenger Cards was introduced such that every person entering or departing from Australia was required to complete an incoming or outgoing passenger card. These were retained and stored in Canberra. Extracts of the information on these passenger cards was recorded on microfiche commencing in 1973 unti11989. Subsequently passenger movements were computerised and today are recorded directly at the point of departure or arrival. Aliens Registration The Aliens Act was abolished in the mid 1970'5. It referred to all migrants who were not British Subjects. The Act required that all Aliens 16 years of age or over were required to "register" prior to migration or upon becoming 16 years of age after arrival. They were also obliged under the Act to notify the Department if they changed their marital status or changed their address. There was also a requirement to notify the Department of their address in September of each year. Obligations under the Act ceased upon the acquisition of Australian Citizenship. The registration documents which included details of their parents and arrival details as well as the historic record of their notified addresses were retained in the latest State of residence and transferred between States if the person shifted interstate. These documents were microfilmed in the 70's for future reference following the abolition of the Act. Citizenship The requirements that need to be met for a person to become an Australian Citizen have varied over time. Since 1975 the requirements have been identical irrespective of a persons country of origin. . Aliens initially had to have 5 years residence in Australia before becoming eligible and had to attend an interview and an eventual "naturalisation" cerem.ony before becoming a Citizen. British subjects however could "register" as a Citizen after only 12 months residence in Australia, attend the interview but did not have to attend a ceremony as it was sent to them in the post. After 5 years residence the British Subject needed only to complete a "Notice of Desire to Become an Australian Citizen",. No interview or ceremony was required and the certificate was sent out in the post. The Australian Citizenship Index is currently retained in an electronic form but contains details that pre-date the commencement of the Nationality and Citizenship Act of 1948. This is due to the transfer of records of persons who became naturalised British Subjects in Australia prior to 1949 who became Australian Citizens on 26 Jan 1949 by operation of law upon the commencement of this Act. Citizenship application files are retained by Australian Archives. FOI & Privacy Persons have an entitlement to access their "own" information that the Department may hold. Generally information concerning another person will not be released without the person's consent. Fees may apply for the release of information except where the information is your "own" information. Principle 11 in the Privacy Act imposes limits on disclosure of personal information relating to a third party unless (a) the individual concerned is reasonably likely to have been aware, or made aware under Principle 2, that information of that kind is usually passed to that person, body or agency; (b)the individual concerned has consented to the disclosure; (c) the record-keeper believes on reasonable grounds that the disclosure is necessary to prevent or lessen a serious and imminent threat to the life or health of the individual concerned or of another person; (d)the disclosure is required or authorised by or under law; or (e) the disclosure is reasonably necessary for the enforcement of the criminal law or of a law imposing a pecuniary penalty, or for the protection of the public revenue. Archives Australian Archives retains Departmental documentation that is more than about 5 years old. Access to "recent" documentation is through the Department under the provisions of the FOI Act. Material over 30 years old is accessed through Australian Archives under the Archives Act. Information which pre-dates 1977 but is not yet 30 years of age is generally accessed through FOI. Passenger movements are accessed through FOI via DIMA as they are not held by Archives.

I am considering buying the above CD. I realise it is only a Census Index but claims to provide more information than a normal census Index would. Has anyone purchased this CD and do they think it is worth buying? Diana Sydney

Hi Pam, Many thanks for checking so thoroughly for me - much appreciated! It's a real mystery - I guess we all have our share of them, but so frustrating. Cheers Jan >I went right through the deaths for Layton's on the Pioneer Index and found only one for a Mary A Layton, 1882 >Father: John C >Mother: Ann >Place of Registration: Grafton >No: 8322 > >I also tried all variants of Coring but couldn't find anything. > >Pam Qld

-----Original Message----- From: Beverley Weymouth <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Monday, 29 October 2001 11:31 Subject: [A.G.R. ] RECORDS OF DEPARTURES >Hello Listers, > >Could someone advise me how best to find out if a family returned to England in the late 19th century? Hi Beverley, The PRO Vic Guide no 52, has a listing of Outward Passenger Lists 1852 - 1923. VPRS 3506 (microfilm copy of VPRS 948). Perhaps the NSW public records office has a similar film. Worth a try. Good luck. Barb

Hi Jenny, I think the year was 1915 - basically anyone living in Australia who wasn't from "The Commonwealth" (i.e. came from a "foreign" country) or who wasn't Naturalised, was required to Register as an Alien due to WWI. I'm not sure if there was a specific list of countries - the Australian Archives Office could tell you. The Alien Registration files are just wonderful - similar information to what you get in Naturalisation Files. So if you have someone from a foreign country who didn't become Naturalised following their arrival in Australia and they were still alive in 1915, then head for the Australian Archives and the Registration of Alien files. Regards ......... Susie Z ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Gray" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 1:01 PM Subject: [A.G.R. ] Alien Registration > Hi List, > > Can someone enlighten me as to the term "Registration as an Alien". I have found some records, dated 1916-1920, on the Australian National Archives RecordSearch and was wondering who was required to register as an alien and why. > > Thanks. > > Jenny > Victoria > > > ==== AUSSIE-GEN-RESEARCH Mailing List ==== > Have you visited AUSSIE-GEN-RESEARCH Web site yet? > Please do? And do sign our visitors book? > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ausgenres/ > ************************************************************************ > > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > If you are leaving town for the Holidays or on vacation, > unsubscribe while you are gone, so your mailbox doesn't > fill up > ==================================================== > Virus warnings are not to be sent to the List! > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 >

At 01:01 PM 30/10/2001 +1100, you wrote: >Hi List, > >Can someone enlighten me as to the term "Registration as an Alien". I >have found some records, dated 1916-1920, on the Australian National >Archives RecordSearch and was wondering who was required to register as an >alien and why. It just so happens that, we had at our Local And Family History Centre, last week a speaker from Dept. of Imigration. An Alien was a person of non-British Nationality, and if your bother to check more records were kept on these people than Brits. As I recall they were also required to inform immigration of any change of location, etc. As well as a twelve monthly review of this, till they took out citizenship. Regards Pete. ============================================== Peter Applebee Elizabeth South Australia http://au.geocities.com/papplebee/ ==============================================

Thanks Lynette! The story goes that the person in question jumped ship, now would he have jumped ship and registered as an alien, I don't know about that, maybe he just immigrated - open to suggestions. Jenny Victoria -----Original Message----- From: Lynette Prislan <[email protected]> To: Jenny Gray <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, 30 October 2001 14:25 Subject: Re: [A.G.R. ] Alien Registration >Hi Jenny, >I met my husband in 1970 he was from Austria and he >had to reg as an "Alien". then up to 1974 when we got >married. He did emigrate but paid his way here. What I >could gather was anyone who wasn't an Australian >citizen, was an Alien but I have never looked into it >so I might be wrong. Please let me know what you find >out.

Hi Jan I went right through the deaths for Layton's on the Pioneer Index and found only one for a Mary A Layton, 1882 Father: John C Mother: Ann Place of Registration: Grafton No: 8322 I also tried all variants of Coring but couldn't find anything. Pam Qld Hi all, I need some help with one of my dead ends. Mary Ann CORING married William LAYTON in 1842 in Scots Presbyterian Church Sydney. They had 4 children, the last being Mary Ann born 26 Sept 1850 at Clarence River. William remarried Jane TUMAH in 1857, so what happened to Mary Ann CORING? I haven't been able to find Mary Ann's death, in fact I haven't been able to find any other CORINGs at all in the NSW BDMs up to 1888. Did Mary Ann come to Australia by herself? Where did she come from? When did she die? Who were her parents? Any leads greatly appreciated! Cheers Jan ==== AUSSIE-GEN-RESEARCH Mailing List ==== Have you visited AUSSIE-GEN-RESEARCH Web site yet? Please do? And do sign our visitors book? http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ausgenres/ ************************************************************************ http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html If you are leaving town for the Holidays or on vacation, unsubscribe while you are gone, so your mailbox doesn't fill up ==================================================== Virus warnings are not to be sent to the List! ============================== Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Hi List, Can someone enlighten me as to the term "Registration as an Alien". I have found some records, dated 1916-1920, on the Australian National Archives RecordSearch and was wondering who was required to register as an alien and why. Thanks. Jenny Victoria

----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverley Weymouth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 29 October 2001 11:31 Subject: [A.G.R. ] RECORDS OF DEPARTURES Hi Beverly > Could someone advise me how best to find out if a family returned to England in the late 19th century? If from NSW there really isnt a best way as no departure records have survived till c 1906 . There are ways to narrow down the time If before 1891 you could checked the UK census. If they owned their own home a check at the Land titles Office may give a clue or two . Another check would be in the Sands PO directories...find the year they disappeared . Assisted arrivals to Sydney are indexed to 1896. Ships names and arrival dates are in this 1880 -1896 index. Sailing ships took a while to turn around but steam ships didnt. Quite a few P & O ships did fairly regular journeys UK - AUS . So maybe with some patience via a process of elimination you might be able to narrow the dates down sufficiently to do look up in the shipping info columns of the Sydney Morning Herald Happy hunting ! bye Marg Morters Member of Central Coast Family History Society GOSFORD NSW Australia