No Worries Wendy Your welcome to forward my comments and thank you for having the courtesy to ask first. regards Michael Cheeseman -----Original Message----- From: wendy boland [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 4 February 2003 4:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUS-WA] Have you compiled an index? G'day Michael I wholeheartedly agree with your comments. I have been sent a family tree recently by a researcher and it lists info that appears to co-incide with my own research. However there was no mention of the source and when I asked where they found the info I was told it had been sent to them by a person who happens to be a distant cousin of mine. The information they had was what I had sent as a courtsey to my cousin (complete with lists of sources too) a few months ago. It had taken me a while to research and at some expense too. How can we stop this kind of thing? One hates to refuse to divulge info to people who are likely to prove to be related with potentially useful info to share. May I have your permission please to quote parts of your email on several of the Mailing Lists I subscribe to. I think it may alert others to the dangers and some -one may come up with some kind of answer too, Best wishes Wendy in Oz > G'Day > > To me this looks like an advert from a pro researcher trying > to gain info for their Pay for lookup Australian Indexes website > or for a planned book they are going to publish and gain financially from. > Especially as these messages have appeared over a number of > email lists. As I understand it this is a breach of Rootsweb's Acceptable > Use Policy for these email lists. > > I for one, am a little tired of pro researchers, historian > bookwriters and newbie cousin researchers using experienced > amateur family historian researchers and their accumulated > research info that has taken years and great deals of money > to compile shared as a courtesy put in someone book who didn't > do the research. Often with little or no acknowledgement of > where they got it from. > > A number of cousins researchers and my own work has been used > in Books by others who did not find the information by themselves > yet it would appear so looking at the book, website etc they > have published. Of course their was no acknowledgement of where > the info came from. This in many cases makes the info useless to > the new researcher that reads it because they cannot find where > the original source records/oral history has come from because > the writer of the book/website was not the person who researched > the info. > > My recommendation to researchers with indexes and/or compiled > research is you publish your own efforts and Sue the pants off > anyone who than uses your research and publishes it as their own > without your consent for exactly that. Sharing info does not mean > you have given permission for them to publish it without your > consent. > > This has been an ongoing problem in family history circles for a > long time and many very experienced researchers no longer share > with others anymore because of the publishing issue having happened > to them. This is a great loss to the majority of family history researchers > from knowledgable researchers but has become common, especially on these > email lists. > > With the American style lawsuit starting to appear in our court > system it wont be long before hopefully this practice of Plagerism > ceases. It is very hard for Pro researchers to be on these > Rootsweb lists without using them for commercial gain. Researchers > take care with your work. If you give it to another person they > may then think it is now theirs and give you nothing in return. > Not even an acknowledgement for your efforts. > > This is my personnel opinion only and I am just suggesting extreme caution > with messages like these and with sharing all your research with others > before you really know whom your sharing with. > > regards > > Michael Cheeseman > Researching my family since 1979. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Judy Webster [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, 2 February 2003 7:41 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [AUS-WA] Have you compiled an index? > > > Have you compiled an index that would be of use to other family > historians? Or perhaps you are contemplating such a project? You are > urged to register the project (free of charge) with the Central Register of > Indexing Projects in Australia. The Register helps to prevent duplication > of indexing projects, and (if you wish) it can provide free publicity for > your project via an entry in the book "Specialist Indexes in Australia: a > Genealogist's Guide". You must use a special registration form to submit a > brief description of the index and a contact address. Indexes suitable for > registration include those for cemeteries, newspapers, school records, > Government Gazettes, Police Gazettes, local history collections, published > books, records held by archives, and Australia-wide one-name studies. Most > indexes are for Australian sources, but indexes *compiled in Australia* > from *overseas sources* are also eligible (for example, Scottish census > indexes compiled by Australians). > > See <www.judywebster.gil.com.au/register.html> for important information, > guidelines, and a registration form. If you want free publicity via > "Specialist Indexes", the closing date for entries is 31st March 2003. You > MUST submit details on the special form (*not* by replying to this > message), and you MUST supply a postal (snail mail) address. No exceptions! > > For practical advice on the traps involved in compiling and using indexes, > see <www.judywebster.gil.com.au/methods.html>. This has recently been > updated with more examples of things that cause lists of names to sort > incorrectly, and suggestions on how to index names beginning with O'. > > Please do *NOT* reply to this message directly. Refer to > <www.judywebster.gil.com.au/register.html>, which explains how to contact > me. > > Judy Webster > ********************************************************* > Judy Webster, PO Box 5043, Algester, QLD 4115, Australia. > B.App.Sc.(Med.Tech), Grad.Dip. Local & Applied History. > Indexes/advice: <www.judywebster.gil.com.au/index.html> > ********************************************************* > > ______________________________ > > > ==== AUS-WA Mailing List ==== > > Q: Why do WA's cyber-genies hang out at the Perth DPS & use DPS-CHAT-L ? > A: Check out: ' http://www.perthdps.com/dps-chat.htm ' > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== AUS-WA Mailing List ==== Q: Why do WA's cyber-genies hang out at the Perth DPS & use DPS-CHAT-L ? A: Check out: ' http://www.perthdps.com/dps-chat.htm ' ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237