heya ppl I am researching following names: MYALL MORLEY DUTHIE HENDERSON O'SULLIVAN COCKRUM BECKWITH MACLACHLAN

heya ppl I am researching following names: MYALL MORLEY DUTHIE HENDERSON O'SULLIVAN COCKRUM BECKWITH MACLACHLAN

Anzac Day saw some 24 unofficial war grave headstones removed from the grave and sent of to be crushed for road base. I protested right across Australia with approx 1000 emails. The Minister responded with a one page letter. This is my reply and it may answer some queries people have. Tuesday, 23 May 2006 Hon Jon Ford JP MLC Minister for Local Government and Regional Development 9th Floor, Dumas House 2 Havelock Street West Perth WA 6005 Dear Mr Ford Headstones - Karrakatta Cemetery (Your Ref 21 - 3635) I acknowledge your letter dated 16th May 2006 in response to the email I sent the Premier 21 April 2006. I might point out that the same was sent to your office. I am disappointed that the Premier felt that he could not answer my email himself given that I am in his electorate despite the postal address. I am disappointed that previous correspondence from myself to your office has not been consulted which included my discussion paper and photographs. The fact that my concerns were brought to the attention of Parliament on the 2nd May 2006 and not acknowledged in your letter is indicative of an uninformed response. I am extremely conversant with the process of legal desecration of consecrated ground in Karrakatta Cemetery and had you been better informed you would have learnt that the Cemeteries Act does not give permission to remove headstones. You would also have learnt that the retrospective ruling made in conjunction with the Cemeteries Act of 1986 is not legal and that all those people affected are entitled to a monetary refund or some form of compensation. Furthermore, you would have learnt that a petition was tabled in Parliament last year and that the Cemeteries Act is currently undergoing a review. There have been many submissions made including one from the Department of Veteran's Affairs. I am very much aware of the processes of the Monument Assessment & Advisory Committee. Their history precedes them with the negligent removal of headstones from Sister Kate's grave along with 27 official war graves (contrary to the previous Cemeteries Act). I have requested on several occasions to see this 'extensive research of individuals' but as yet have not been granted the courtesy. Already in the last few weeks I have located graves of WW1 personnel that have been overlooked in classification as an official war grave and am presently lodging an application for official status. Had the committee been effective in it's research then they would have been making those applications and not me! The MCB and the MAAC advise the public that the headstones are photographed and transcribed which is an untruth in itself. Out of the 23 sections already violated only 6 have been photographed. I am left questioning how many transcriptions were taken. From my own experience in cemetery research headstones often contain information that is not found in any other record in this state. Many researchers like myself find information that discloses the complexities of our society along with mystery. Example's are memorials on family graves commemorating sailors on HMAS Sydney, grave's of war dead that have slipped through the net as being classified as official and curious ones such as a soldier killed in action during WW1 and buried overseas yet there is an official headstone with his details on a grave in Fremantle Cemetery. Then there is the social research and evaluation aspect that cannot be gathered from the MCB records because 'access is denied' or 'pay before viewing'! There are many types of research that being privy to the original material in its own environment is where success in the venture lies. I am currently working on a biographical index of WW1 soldiers who were born in Albany or who enlisted in Albany but were born elsewhere (a large percentage in the UK). This research has returned some 960 individuals. From that figure 220 were killed, died of wounds or died of disease and are in official war graves overseas. From those that returned home 280 are known to be in graves in Karrakatta Cemetery and further research will no doubt increase that figure. The practice of removing headstones from the graves of these people wipes out large percentage of history from a generation of one town in this state thus we are left to question how many others. The MCB argue that people do not want to travel to visit their dead family. The fact that I have produced evidence to the contrary dispels that myth. The Metropolitan Cemeteries Board advocates the use of electronic recording facilities for memorials. This must surely be the most unstable system to be instituted for the management of these types of records of this State. First, the photographing of headstones is not a primary record - it is a secondary record and can be lost at the strike of a match. A memorial marking a grave has more chance of surviving and should only be destroyed by time and not by human hands. Whilst the MCB argues that the burial details are the primary record that is in fact correct, however the headstone is a primary record in its own right. I believe removing headstones from graves is contrary to the State Records Act and is certainly not in keeping with the ethos of the Heritage Council, Productivity Commission and the Burra Charter. This is specific to the fact that they are primary records and valuable artefacts and is indicative of our social history and culture. From Oral History Conference in Perth in 2003 by keynote speaker Prof. David Dolan [Chairman National Trust of Aust [WA] who spoke on ‘Oral History and Heritage Work’. He concluded his paper with the example: ‘among the most contested heritage sites are cemeteries. They are contested because some cemetery boards, local authorities and other relevant government agencies do not want to meet the cost of looking after them; so they seek to destroy their integrity and desecrate old graves by churning them over to allow new burials. In the case of Karrakatta cemetery here in Perth, I have been told that decisions about which graves and monuments are to be preserved may be based on invidious – one might even say elitist or snobbish – assessment of which (or who) - are the most important. [Taken from All Quarters’ Oral History Association of Australia Journal, Number 25, 2003] From the article in the latest ‘Trust News’ [Vol 34 No 4 May 2006] on ‘Memorials’ featuring Bon Scott’s Memorial at Fremantle Cemetery, WA. You are most likely aware that the National Trust WA has classified his memorial as ‘a place of heritage significance in recognition of its importance to many people in Australia and throughout the world'. Are not the graves of our dead veteran's worthy of the same RESPECT and PRIVILEGE? The Productivity Commission has recently released a report titled "Heritage Value, Pressures and Emerging Trends" and I quote from Page 9 The Burra Charter, developed by Australia ICOMOS (International Council on Monuments and Sites), relates the heritage value of a place with 'cultural significance' of a site (Marquis - Kyle and Walker 2004). According to the Charter these cultural values are important because: Places of cultural significance enrich people's lives, often providing a deep and inspirational sense of connection to community and landscape, to the past and to lived experiences. They are historical records that are important as tangible expressions of Australian identity and experiences. Places of cultural significance reflect the diversity of our communities, telling us about who we are and the past that has formed us and the Australian landscape. (Australia ICOMOS sub. 122, p6) The MCB has NO criteria for 'historic significance' although their glossy brochures and pamphlets state that there is. I say this because I have asked Steve James for it and been told that there is none. The MCB cannot even tell you how many Victoria Cross winners are buried in at Karrakatta nor know how many MC, DSO, DCM and MM winners are buried there. If they did know they would not have desecrated their graves nor would they intend to. By the same token we must not forget the graves of our Aboriginal Soldiers as history writers have chosen to do. The Metropolitan Cemeteries Board website states "The Board is entrusted to care for the personal memories of West Australians and also to watch over and protect the rich social history of this state" and this is assumed to be the mission statement. The phrase "ensuring the future" must therefore support the previous statement. However, the practice of removing headstones from graves is in contravention of both those statements and is indicative of the broad sweeping statements used to desensitise people's feelings and sanitise the desecration of gravesites. In respect of the unofficial war graves again I am disappointed that you appear to be under a misapprehension regarding the placement of these. They are not being relocated to the Perth War Cemetery at all. They are crushed and used for road base. Those memorials are being replaced with a small plaque in the Garden of Remembrance. This is NOT where the of the service person 'RESTS IN PEACE' the family go to visit the grave where the person is buried not a plaque on a brick wall! All post war commemorations are paid for by the taxpayers then they have to pay a second time for a plaque in the Garden of Remembrance. Such was the case of the 27 official war graves. Removing headstones from the graves of our defence personnel is the highest insult afforded them and most certainly one of which this Government should be extremely ashamed. I distinctly recall the outcry from this country's officials in relation to the desecration of our defence personnel graves overseas. No! t once, not twice but several times. Rather a hypocritical stance in my opinion. Aside from this, and according to the MCB at the meeting earlier this year, only headstones in disrepair and unable to be read will be removed all others will remain in situ a few would be moved to the outer perimeter of the section. That most certainly was not the case in the recent mass desecration nor was it ever intended to be and as a statutory authority the MCB must be held accountable. I have a large number of photographs taken from both Karrakatta and Fremantle Cemeteries, which show neglect in these cemeteries, by the MCB, which is in direct contravention of the Cemeteries Act. On the one hand they condemn families for neglecting gravesites and on the other contribute to the neglect. The National RSL President Major WJ Crews AO has stated in correspondence to Saving Graves WA that "The basis of our argument is that the graves of service men and women should not be disturbed irrespective of whether they are in recognised war cemeteries or otherwise. These are men and women who have given a great deal for their country and the least they deserve is to have a final resting place undisturbed." This renewal program has been met with outrage across this state, interstate and internationally and I have evidence to prove such claims much of which formed part of my submission for the Cemetery Act Review. I might add that there is not one argument coming out of the MCB or from you, promoting the renewal program that cannot be dispelled by myself or by Saving Graves WA. There is no valid or credible argument for desecration of gravesites that seeks to destroy this state's and this country's history and culture. It is a cruel and hurtful practice that has total disregard for grieving families. I have a vested interest in the management, operation and preservation of the memorials in Karrakatta, Fremantle, Guildford and Pinnaroo Cemeteries, having extremely large family buried there. I regularly visit several of my family graves and the visual presence of those memorials aids in the grieving process, for even though they have been gone from me for a number of years I still mourn their passing. I have felt first hand the distress of discovering that my grandmother's grave had been desecrated under the guise of redevelopment. This was brought home profoundly when I came across an elderly man on the ground crying because he could not find the grave of his wife and baby. It was there when he visited the month previous and destroyed by Anzac Day 2006. By the Metropolitan Cemeteries Board's own admission, they will not remove headstones from graves in the Jewish, Greek Orthodox and Macedonian Orthodox but will remove headstones from the Anglican and Catholic sections. The argument put up by the MCB that the space in between is not the same size is an untruth. This is a clear and precise admission of discrimination against religion even more so because the Anglican section has been attacked and desecrated much more than the Catholic section. Furthermore there must surely be a conflict of interest given that there is a board member who is Jewish and one who is a member of the Greek Orthodox community. The Metropolitan Cemeteries Board is renowned for its claims that people do not visit these old graves. First and foremost, I would have to reconsider visiting any of the older sections because of the deliberate neglect of these areas making it unsafe and a haven for snakes during the summer. The question must be asked, does the MCB have staff positioned to monitor who visits what section and when? If they do not, do they in fact have cameras mounted throughout these sections to capture images of who visits which grave? I am currently doing a large research project in Fremantle cemetery and see people visit these old graves and just sit quietly at the graveside and this included our recent Mother's Day. They do not always clean it up or place flowers, and if they don’t does this mean that they don’t care? The MCB do not permit the renewal of licenses in sections marked for renewal, which according to the documentation is almost the entire Karrakatta Cemetery itself, no! r do they notify people with contact details once the license has expired. If you wish to preserve a headstone in a section of the cemetery tagged for desecration you must purchase a right of burial of graves on either side (mind you there is no clause in the Act that says this must be the case). Whilst I fully appreciate that there is a concern regarding space at Karrakatta Cemetery I DO NOT believe that the scheme currently being practised is, in fact, the right one. There are other options available that the Metropolitan Cemeteries Board is not exploring. (Their refusal to accept the fact that their ideals are outdated and outmoded is in direct conflict with their desire to move over to electronic memorials!) Saving Graves WA advocates that Karrakatta be closed for new graves, open for burials in existing graves and open for the placement of ashes. As Minister for Local Government and Regional Development it is your obligation to listen to the voice of the people of this state and given the impetus my quest has drawn this must surely be indicative of their wishes. In closing I must point out that I deeply offended that your closing statement suggest that I contact Steve James at the MCB. Firstly because your second paragraph acknowledges the meeting held at Karrakatta Cemetery earlier this year. Secondly, as the appropriate Minister you are duty bound to investigate the concerns of constituents and not to dismiss them as superfluous and insignificant particularly on such an issue. Yours sincerely Sandra PLAYLE Convenor Saving Graves WA Cc: Robyn McSweeney Shadow Minister Sue Walker Member for Nedlands ABC Radio 6PR Radio Dawn Gibson West Australian Newspapers Alan Jones 2GB Radio -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10

Frist: Apologies for not changing the subject line :) In the 1980's and up until 2004 the Cemeteries Board 'cleared felled' sections which saw all headstones removed. Since Saving Graves WA started campaigning in Oct 2004 they have 'modified' their methods. The more evidence and public outcry that mounts against their claims of 'it is the right thing to do' the more chance we have of changing things. Bright Blessings, Sandra. Sandra's Family History - http://tinyurl.com/o3mad MSN Messenger - fedelmar@hotmail.com My MSN Spaces - http://spaces.msn.com/fedelmar/ ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~* Knowledge speaks and wisdom listens. ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~* From: Sue England <suee@exemail.com.au> To: AUS-WA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-WA] Re: AUS-WA-D Digest V06 #84 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 10:53:58 +1000 Hi Sandra How sad! By " one of the first to go" are you saying that the headstones have been desecrated/ partially destroyed or removed? One of my missions at the moment is to get a headstone for my grandfather; at the time of his death, he was buried in the town's cemetery but the family could not afford a headstone; So, i'm about to approach council to see what i can do. And on the same note, my gt grandfather and his family were all buried on the family property and ultimately the property was bought ( i believe ) by the state govt and is now covered by a huge dam... unfortunately, the headstones were not removed before the creation of the dam. One would think it would be a matter of course to remove all headstones before this happened.... but thats another story! Cheers, Sue -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10

Hi Sandra How sad! By " one of the first to go" are you saying that the headstones have been desecrated/ partially destroyed or removed? One of my missions at the moment is to get a headstone for my grandfather; at the time of his death, he was buried in the town's cemetery but the family could not afford a headstone; So, i'm about to approach council to see what i can do. And on the same note, my gt grandfather and his family were all buried on the family property and ultimately the property was bought ( i believe ) by the state govt and is now covered by a huge dam... unfortunately, the headstones were not removed before the creation of the dam. One would think it would be a matter of course to remove all headstones before this happened.... but thats another story! Cheers, Sue Miss Fedelmar wrote: >Hello Sue ... I will respond to you off list about the first part of you email. > >To answer your question regarding the Anglican FC section was amongst one of the first to go. It was not photographed. My grandmother was is in this section. > >Bright Blessings, >Sandra. > >Sandra's Family History - http://tinyurl.com/o3mad >MSN Messenger - fedelmar@hotmail.com >My MSN Spaces - http://spaces.msn.com/fedelmar/ > >~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~* >Knowledge speaks and wisdom listens. >~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~* > >From: Sue England <suee@exemail.com.au> >To: AUS-WA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [AUS-WA] Re: Karrakatta Cemetery >Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:11:39 +1000 > > >Hi Sandra, > >How sad to hear of the state of the cemetery; if i lived anywhere nearby i'd certainly >be tempted to be out there taking photos or transcribing... or is there some sort of >prohibition on this? > >I am thinking its about time i sussed out the what cemeteries near me have fallen under >the same dark cloud! >As i drive around the central west of NSW i often glance at the smaller cemeteries and >think, i wonder if anyone has been here with a digital camera yet.. i would like to know >what protocols are associated with : >1) taking photos and >2) publishing those photos online > >Anyhow, the section that i would be interested in at Karrakatta is: *anglican FC 142 > >*Thanks Sandra > >Sue > > > > >

Hi Sandra, How sad to hear of the state of the cemetery; if i lived anywhere nearby i'd certainly be tempted to be out there taking photos or transcribing... or is there some sort of prohibition on this? I am thinking its about time i sussed out the what cemeteries near me have fallen under the same dark cloud! As i drive around the central west of NSW i often glance at the smaller cemeteries and think, i wonder if anyone has been here with a digital camera yet.. i would like to know what protocols are associated with : 1) taking photos and 2) publishing those photos online Anyhow, the section that i would be interested in at Karrakatta is: *anglican FC 142 *Thanks Sandra Sue Miss Fedelmar wrote: >Hello Sue, >Yes it would be FireFox :) > >Be aware that out of the 24 sections already desecrated only six have been photographed and I hate to think how many have not been transcribed. If you contact the MCB for a photo be aware that the prices range from 31.00 to 41.00!!! > >If you let me know what section the burials are in I can tell you if they have been photographed or not. > >Bright Blessings, >Sandra. > >Sandra's Family History - http://tinyurl.com/o3mad >MSN Messenger - fedelmar@hotmail.com >My MSN Spaces - http://spaces.msn.com/fedelmar/ > >~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~* >Knowledge speaks and wisdom listens. >~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~* >From: Sue England <suee@exemail.com.au> >To: AUS-WA-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: Karrakatta Cemetery >Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 10:59:51 +1000 > > >Hi Sandra, > >i was just browsing through my emails and clicked onto your hyperlink: > >My MSN Spaces - http://spaces.msn.com/fedelmar/ > >Unfortunately it kept closing on me before i could fully read it all ( perhaps a Firefox >problem) but i did catch the opening paragraph about Karrakatta cemetery and the >discussion of removal of the headstones. I have just been sent information regarding my >grandfathers sisters family who had "disappeared" to WA late last century. The sister, >her husband and young son are all buried at Karrakatta. > >Are there any photos of the headstones in this cemetery that are accessible online? > >Many thanks and keep up the good fight :-) > >Sue >(central west NSW) > > > > > > >

Hello Sue ... I will respond to you off list about the first part of you email. To answer your question regarding the Anglican FC section was amongst one of the first to go. It was not photographed. My grandmother was is in this section. Bright Blessings, Sandra. Sandra's Family History - http://tinyurl.com/o3mad MSN Messenger - fedelmar@hotmail.com My MSN Spaces - http://spaces.msn.com/fedelmar/ ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~* Knowledge speaks and wisdom listens. ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~* From: Sue England <suee@exemail.com.au> To: AUS-WA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-WA] Re: Karrakatta Cemetery Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:11:39 +1000 Hi Sandra, How sad to hear of the state of the cemetery; if i lived anywhere nearby i'd certainly be tempted to be out there taking photos or transcribing... or is there some sort of prohibition on this? I am thinking its about time i sussed out the what cemeteries near me have fallen under the same dark cloud! As i drive around the central west of NSW i often glance at the smaller cemeteries and think, i wonder if anyone has been here with a digital camera yet.. i would like to know what protocols are associated with : 1) taking photos and 2) publishing those photos online Anyhow, the section that i would be interested in at Karrakatta is: *anglican FC 142 *Thanks Sandra Sue -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10

The CAN YOU HELP? column (incorporating REUNIONS) is compiled by Jenny KOHLEN and published on Mondays as a free service. E-mail your requests to <mailto:canyouhelp@wanews.com.au> or write to : Can You Help? "The West Australian," GPO Box N1027, Perth 6843. Fax (08) 9482 3830. Phone (08) 9482 3382 (Mon-Fri). mailto: <mailto:canyouhelp@wanews.com.au> ================================================================================= CAN YOU HELP? : Monday, May 8, 2006 (The West Australian p32) ANZAC COTTAGE : Anzac Cottage at 38 Kalgoorlie Street, Mt Hawthorn, is the first Gallipoli memorial in Australia. The award-winning, heritage-listed cottage was built in one day in 1916. It will be open to the public on Mother's Day, Sunday, May 14 from 12.30 to 2pm. Admission is free. Contact: Philomena Trevor-Hunt, 9593 0638. BUSSELTON SCOUTS : The writer was surprised to see the surname "TYLER" on the relocated scout hall now in the grounds of Busselton's Historical Railway Station. Interested to hear any information about this person and his time spent within the scout movement so it can be added to the family tree. Last week's entry seeking information by the same writer about the Rev. Catterall — also connected to Busselton's scouting movement — had an incorrect contact address — compiler's error. The contact for both today's notice and Rev. Catterall (1/5) should read: Hazel Keen (nee Tyler), Post Office Box 3135, Mandurah 6210. CLAREMONT RAILWAYS : Australia's "premier preserved railway signal cabin", which now operates as a working museum, will celebrate its centenary on October 14. The Claremont Museum invites past employees of the Claremont station and signal cabin as well as all those who have a special connection to the railways at Claremont to attend this special event. Volunteers are needed on the day and memorabilia, photographs and stories are eagerly sought for use in an exhibition afterwards. Contact: Chris French, Signalling Interest Group of WA (SIGWA), Post Office Box 250, Armadale 6992. Tel: 0419 953 292 (9am-5pm) or Claremont Museum, 9285 4345. mailto:sigwa@starwon.com.au COUNTRY CALLING DUMBLEYUNG CWA : All past Dumbleyung CWA members are invited to a "send off" to be held for the Dumbleyung CWA building in Harvey Street, which is being sold. Members are invited to one last cup of tea on Saturday, May 20 from 2pm onwards. Please reply if you are able to attend or need any information about the building or its contents. Contact: Margie Ward, Box 360, Wagin 6315. Tel: 98611339. mailto:hmward@treko.net.au MURRAY MEDICAL (MANDURAH) : A get-together for all past and present staff will be held at 24 Correas Street, North Yunderup on Sunday, May 28. Contact: Nat, 0418 913 439 or Sue, 9537 6848. FAMILY HISTORY FAIR : A family history fair will be held at the Family History Library, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, Carawatha Avenue, Armadale on Saturday, May 13 from 10am to 4pm. Topics include: Why do Family History? Find your Ancestors, Get hints from Professional Genealogists and Free Resource Materials. HILL/HUGHES : Una Annie Hughes came to WA with three other siblings between 1897 and 1903. In 1909 her marriage to James Hill was recorded in Fremantle. Does anyone know Una's story after that? Contact: Robert Hughes, 42 Francis Street, Lower King 6330. Tel: 98441770. mailto:rhugh@wn.com.au IDENTIKIT BOOK : Wanted: These books were made of strips of photos of faces that turn over independently to find a close representation of a face as made up by its hair-eyes-mouth-chin components. Before computer imagery, they were used by police. Very useful for family historians. Contact: A. John Parker, 192 Shaftesbury Avenue, Bedford 6052. Tel: 9271 4272. mailto:ajohnp@starwon.com.au JACKSON : Relatives in England would love to hear from Frederick Walker JACKSON ("Rickie") or his family. Rickie was born in Spennymoor, County Durham, England. He is believed to have migrated to Australia about 1950 and landed at Fremantle. He was the writer's granduncle. Contact: Carolyn Gibbeson, 26 Newnham Terrace, Harrogate, HG2 7ST, England. mailto:carrieg_21@hotmail.com LLOYD : Seeking clarification of the exact day John Joseph LLOYD retired from the position of State Manager, Post & Telegraphs, WA in 1925. The Commonwealth Gazette lists his retirement date as September 20,1925. However, the annual report of the Postmaster-General notes he retired on January 21,1925. What date did he in fact finish work? For example, did he go on long service leave in January 1925 and not return to work? Contact: John Moynihan, 3 Partlet Road, Duncraig 6023. Tel: 9246 2346. mailto:john.moynihan@ozemail.com.au LOTTO WINNERS : Lotterywest is searching for West Australians who have won a Division One prize in Lotto, Powerball or OZ Lotto and who would be willing to share their story. The stories may be used for future media opportunities with radio, television and/or press. Contact: Angelika Fawcett, Lotterywest Corporate Communications, 9340 5227 or 0438 996 884. mailto:fawcett_a@lotterywest.wa.gov.au MCDONALD : Looking for relatives of Frank McDONALD, a former mayor of East Fremantle (1900-1901). He was twice married, both wives predeceasing him. After 1904 he took up farming at Beverley (the family home was called Dunbeath). The writer is related to his second wife Lucy and is seeking any information for family history and would love a photo of Lucy. Contact: Lyndall Pettigrew, 108 Morna Point Road, Anna Bay, NSW 2316. Tel: (02) 49821212. mailto:jeflin2@bigpond.net.au NAVAL HISTORICAL SOCIETY : The Naval Historical Society of Australia (WA) will host a talk by Roger Bussell at the Maritime Museum meeting room, Cliff Street, Fremantle on Thursday, May 18 at 7pm on the topic, Beer and the Navy. Roger is a member of the Institute of Brewing & Distilling. All welcome. Fish and chip supper available afterwards (cost: $10 a person). Contact: George Elliott, 66 Bruce Street, Nedlands 6009. Tel. 9386 4581. mailto:gelli@ozemail.com.au MURRAY MIDWIVES : Midwifery historian is writing a second history about the midwives in the Greater Southern region of NSW and just over the Murray River border to Victoria during the 1800s through to the 1950s. Many were "granny" midwives with no formal training. If your ancestor or kinswoman was one of these wonderful people living in that area who assisted mothers giving birth under often dreadful circumstances, please forward the name together with any information and details of when and where they lived. Also looking for women's birth stories. Contact: Dr Mavis Gaff-Smith, Post Office Box 63, The Rock, NSW 2655. Tel: (02) 69201388. mailto:mavis.gaff-smith@bigpond.com MULKERIN : Seeking a photograph and any information about Martin MULKERIN or his brother Thomas. Martin came out from Ireland to the Kalgoorlie Goldfields in the early 1890s with his brothers Thomas and Festus. In the mid-1890s, Martin and Thomas became policemen. On retirement, Martin bought into Bohemia Downs Station in the Kimberley and Thomas had a farm in the Mt Barker area. Martin died in 1937 and Thomas died in 1942. Contact: Mrs. P. Leggett, 9 Morley Place, Albany 6330. Tel: 98417467. mailto:ileggett@iinet.net.au ORANGE VALLEY PROJECT/MOSS : Background information sought about the MOSS family of Koojan from 1906 onwards for the history book, Orange Valley Explored. Edward Mos*s died in September 1947. He left behind a brother, Herbert (of Queensland), sister, Amelia (Adelaide), nephew F. A. S. MOSS and nieces Dorothy and Marjory RICHARDSON. Also, the BROAD family, who lent notes on Dr KELSALL to the author of Making Tracks in the Midlands. He may have had a music-teacher daughter who lived in Falls Road, Lesmurdie. Contact: Gael Connell, 58 Betti Road, Kalamunda 6076. Tel: 9293 3906 (after 7pm). mailto:vildulac@iinet.net.au ROCKINGHAM LECTURE : Learn how to access information about your ancestors at a presentation to be held in the Lecture Theatre, 1 Rockingham Campus, Murdoch University, Dixon Road, Rockingham on Sunday, May 28 at 2pm. Guest speaker, international geneaologist, Michael Gandy. Cost: $15 a person. Contact: 9527 2438. SOUTH PERTH HISTORICAL SOCIETY : Guest speaker, the Hon. Phillip PENDAL, author of the recently published, Hands That Heal, will give a talk on the topic Uncovering the History of South Perth's Community Hospital at the next event to be held by the South Perth Historical Society at the Old Mill Theatre, Mends Street, South Perth on Monday, May 15 at 7pm. Cost: gold coin donation (includes tea/coffee). Non-members welcome. Contact: Kerry Davey, 9367 5354 or Laurel Smith, 9367 8906. SCALES : Looking for Margaret or Pat SCALES (maiden name), daughters of Stan and Betty. Happy to pass on a photo of their mother, taken about 1948. Contact: Valerie Lee (nee O'Brien), 9293 3133. CALLING ALL POETS : Poets, reciters, readers and storytellers are sought by the Yilgarn Agricultural Show committee for the inaugural Poetry in the Park to be held in the Rotary Park in Southern Cross on Friday, September 1. An invitation is extended to anyone who would like to attend. Please register your interest as soon as possible. Contact: Cheryl Cox, 90491908 or Kaye Crafter, 90491467. mailto:ylbtours@wn.com.au. 51ST BATTALION : Due to public demand, the author is working on a rewrite of his history of the 51st Battalion in World War I — Fix Bayonets. He is searching for photographs, diaries, correspondence, letters, maps, memorabilia, etc. of the men of the 51st to be used in the forthcoming rewrite, which has an anticipated 600 pages, with nominal rolls. Contact: Neville Browning, 8 Clune Court, Huntingdale 6110. Tel: 9490 6495. Email: skip@starwon.com.au. UNKNOWN FIREMAN : Wednesday, March 21,2007 will be the centenary of a special rescue train which departed from Perth station at 2.50pm on Thursday, March 21, 1907 en route to Coolgardie. The train was carrying two deep sea divers from Perth and vital rescue equipment — including 250m of airhose — to save an entombed miner. Modesto VARISCHETTI was trapped underground in a rise above Level 10 of the flooded Westralia Mine at Bonnievale, 11km north of Coolgardie. Travelling in relay in a race against the clock, locomotive R228 first hauled the train from Perth to Northam. R174 then hauled it from Northam to Southern Cross, and locomotive EC246 hauled the final leg from Southern CrQss to Coolgardie. R228 was driven by Andy RAMAGE but the fireman is unknown. R174 was driven by Len MACHIN and fired by Mick GRIFFIN, and EC246 was driven by Vic LANYON and fired by Herb HARRY. The train made the journey in 11 hours 44 minutes and the record time was held by this train for almost 50 years. Does anyone know who fired locomotive R228 on the first leg so his name can be recorded? Contact: Kevin Mountain, 9274 5053. VETERANS & SERVICES 2/7TH AUST FD. REGT : The next monthly meeting of the association will be held at Anzac House tomorrow (9 May) at 11am. Contact: Alf 9279 1438. 2/16TH BATTALION AIF ASSOCIATION : The Combined Widows and 66th Anniversary Reunion Luncheon will be held at the Air Force Association Club, Bull Creek on Saturday, May 20 from noon to 4pm. Pre-luncheon drinks: 11.30am. Tickets: $35 a person. Bookings close May 13. Widows free of charge and transport available if required. Contact: M. Goldthorpe, 9384 9105. A Memorial Service will be held at the 2/16th Battalion Memorial, Kings Park at 10.30am prior to the luncheon. AUSTRALIAN ARMY CATERING CORPS ASSOCIATION : Calling serving and retired members to attend a meeting at Riverton RSL sub-branch, 153 High Road, Riverton on Saturday, May 20 at 2pm to form an AACC Association. Contact: Ray Smith, 9443 5215 or 0401 512 435. ARMY APPRENTICES, 34TH CLASS, JANUARY 16 TO 17,1979 : A long overdue reunion is planned and these men are the last 10 of 219 to be located: Paul K. CHARMAN, Stuart A. MacLEAN, Darren J. REDMAN, Luke A. NORTH, Peter J. WOOD, Wayne ENGLISH, Marshall W. SANDFORD, Carey W. FEHST, David J.A. FINNIS and Thomas SPOLJARICH. Where are they now? Contact: Ross Hawes, Post Office Box 2208, Clarkson.6030. NAVY NATIONAL SERVICE : Calling members of Wills intake HMAS Leeuwin (Jan-June 1956). A reunion is planned to be held at Leeuwin Barracks, August 10-11. Contact: Bevan Pearce, 9350 9930 (w/k), 9582 0404 (a/h) or Leon Watt, 9418 3905. RAAF ARMAMENT FITTERS : The Mid-Year Gunnies Get-Together will be held at the Moon & Sixpence Hotel, Murray Street, Perth on Saturday, May 27 at noon. A great opportunity to catch up with old mates. Contact: Jock, 9306 1544. mailto:jockmarglawrie@ozemail.com.au. HMAS VOYAGER/HM AS WARRAMUNGA : Interested to hear from any crewmen of the HMAS Voyager and HMAS Warramunga — or anyone who was associated with them — who visited the Mater Dei Orphanage at Narellan, NSW in 1958 to distribute gifts to the orphans. They are invited to attend or contribute in some way to a reunion to be held at Mater Dei, Narellan on Sunday, September 24. Photographs, written material, artefacts and interesting stories would be very welcome. Contact: Kevin and Robyn McCarthy, 234 Camden Valley Way, Narellan, NSW 2567. Tel: (02) 4647 7939. mailto:mccarthys@smartchat.net.au 50 ARMY CADET UNIT AND APPLECROSS SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL CADET UNIT : All past cadets and officers are invited to a 25th birthday celebration dinner to be held on Saturday, July 1. RSVP: June 12. Contact: Capt (AAC) Derek Langsford, 0413 878 662. mailto:dlangsford@aapt.net.au ---------------------------------------------------------------- REUNIONS CLAREMONT TEACHERS COLLEGE : Graduates of 1949 will meet for lunch at Anzac House on Wednesday, May 10 at 11am for noon. All welcome. Contact: Betty, 93413693. ST MARY'S HEAD GIRLS : St Mary's Anglican Girls' School is celebrating its 85th birthday and the search is on for all past headgirls to attend the inaugural head girls' dinner to be held at the school on Wednesday, May 17. Contact: Kate, 9341 9111. REABOLD TENNIS CLUB : Fund-raising cocktail party to be held in the newly renovated clubrooms on Friday, May 19 to help celebrate the 50th anniversary of the inaugural meeting of the tennis club in Howtree Place, Floreat. Cost: $60 a person (includes drinks and cocktail-food plus live music by Ruby Tuesday). Tickets: Jane Glass, 0402 158 354, Lyn McArthur, 0405 443 934 or Margaret Nevard, 0408 945 983 for tickets. BALGA SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL : The 1996 Class will hold a 10-year reunion at the Leederville Hotel on Saturday, May 20 from 7pm. RSVP: May 7. Contact: Kylie, 0423 728 237 or Kaylee, 0405 250 671. --End--

Hello Sue, Yes it would be FireFox :) Be aware that out of the 24 sections already desecrated only six have been photographed and I hate to think how many have not been transcribed. If you contact the MCB for a photo be aware that the prices range from 31.00 to 41.00!!! If you let me know what section the burials are in I can tell you if they have been photographed or not. Bright Blessings, Sandra. Sandra's Family History - http://tinyurl.com/o3mad MSN Messenger - fedelmar@hotmail.com My MSN Spaces - http://spaces.msn.com/fedelmar/ ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~* Knowledge speaks and wisdom listens. ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~* From: Sue England <suee@exemail.com.au> To: AUS-WA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Karrakatta Cemetery Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 10:59:51 +1000 Hi Sandra, i was just browsing through my emails and clicked onto your hyperlink: My MSN Spaces - http://spaces.msn.com/fedelmar/ Unfortunately it kept closing on me before i could fully read it all ( perhaps a Firefox problem) but i did catch the opening paragraph about Karrakatta cemetery and the discussion of removal of the headstones. I have just been sent information regarding my grandfathers sisters family who had "disappeared" to WA late last century. The sister, her husband and young son are all buried at Karrakatta. Are there any photos of the headstones in this cemetery that are accessible online? Many thanks and keep up the good fight :-) Sue (central west NSW) -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10

To Ever body My godmother sends her thanks for information they you have found. She has ordered his Court Marital files, and has printed his other files. Another problem has surface its seems our de Rink / Rink friend was convicted in 1914 in Adelaide for Bigamy. So we have another wife to find. So wonder how many "wifes" he did have ?? This information was found in his Naturalization papers. Many thanks Frances & Christine in NZ

Hi Sandra, i was just browsing through my emails and clicked onto your hyperlink: My MSN Spaces - http://spaces.msn.com/fedelmar/ Unfortunately it kept closing on me before i could fully read it all ( perhaps a Firefox problem) but i did catch the opening paragraph about Karrakatta cemetery and the discussion of removal of the headstones. I have just been sent information regarding my grandfathers sisters family who had "disappeared" to WA late last century. The sister, her husband and young son are all buried at Karrakatta. Are there any photos of the headstones in this cemetery that are accessible online? Many thanks and keep up the good fight :-) Sue (central west NSW)

To Doreen and Wendy, Many thanks for your help on getting me well and truly started on this line in our Fitz family. Cheers, Sue (Central West NSW)

Hi Doreen We have his Naturalisation papers, that's where we found this information. Frances(NZ) -------Original Message------- From: Doreen Rogers Date: 06/04/06 17:35:38 To: AUS-WA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-WA] De RINK Hello Frances, Try looking for his Naturalisation application forms http://www.naa.gov.au/The_Collection/recordsearch.html You may find his birth, parents, addresses, wife and children etc. Good luck Doreen West Aust. --- Kiwi Terrier <kiwi-terrier@ihug.co.nz> wrote: > Hi Everyone > > Hopefully I am on the right list. > > Looking for information on a Christian de RINK who > settled in different > parts of Australia from 1899. > > According to recent information Christian de RINK b > 1871/72 in France > settling in Albany and applied for Citizenship in > the 1930's > > " Quote": > I was naturalised in Albany in 1930. I had a hotel > at the time - the Albany > Hotel - and had to naturalized before I could hold a > license. > I remained in the Albany Hotel 12 months after I > was naturalized. I was > also employed as an engineer by Sunning Bros. > Albany, before I went into the > hotel , for 14 months. > > He also had the Premier Hotel. > > On his application it mentioned that he was married > to a Teresa and she was > born in Maitland N.S.W > And aged 45 years and now resides at Perth ( dated > 14 April 1930) > > Did he marry in Western Australia? > > > Any information would be most helpful as I am > helping my godmother in > tracing her birth father history. > > Regards > Frances (NZ) > > > ==== AUS-WA Mailing List ==== > > Q: Why do WA's cyber-genies hang out at the Perth > DPS & use DPS-CHAT-L ? > A: Check out: ' > http://www.perthdps.com/dps-chat.htm ' > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death > Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ==== AUS-WA Mailing List ==== Q: Why do WA's cyber-genies hang out at the Perth DPS & use DPS-CHAT-L ? A: Check out: ' http://www.perthdps.com/dps-chat.htm ' ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release Date: 2/06/06

http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/pdf/battye/pods/Post_Office_Directories_Contents.html http://www.sro.wa.gov.au/ Jim ... the above link is to the WA Post Office Directories and the State Records Office where naturalisation records are held. Alternatively you can try contacting the Local History Library at Albany and they will be able to give you further information. Bright Blessings, Sandra. Sandra's Family History - http://tinyurl.com/o3mad MSN Messenger - fedelmar@hotmail.com My MSN Spaces - http://spaces.msn.com/fedelmar/ ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~* Knowledge speaks and wisdom listens. ~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~* -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10

Hello Sue, Here is Letitia's burial info at http://www.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/search.php Letitia Mary Brown d.28/01.1936 Perth age 68 years buried Karrakatta WA, anglican FC 142 Doreen WA Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

Helo Sue, http://www.naa.gov.au/The_Collection/recordsearch.html Western Australian Pioneers' Index (1841-1905) Surname Given Names Spouse Surname Spouse Given Names Registration Year Place of Marriage Reg. No. FITZPATRICK LETITIA BROWN JOHN 1899 PERTH 1148 order Hope this is helpful Doreen WA --- Sue England <suee@exemail.com.au> wrote: > Hi all > I have only 2 lines to go to finish my mum's > family, branching down > from 1855 when her grandfather, Mathew John > FITZPATRICK came out to > Australia from Ireland. > > > If anyone could help with any information concerning > the following > couple, i'd be very appreciative: > > *Letitia M FITZPATRICK *( 1869 - ? ) m. ? > *BROHN *( known as Snowy) > > It is believed they had 2 children, a boy and a > girl, at the time of > leaving for Western Australia; they never returned > to Central West NSW ( > Mudgee area) where Letitia was born on a property > called Ossory, at > Merendee. > > & they changed their name to *BROWN* during war > time. > > > Many thanks, > > Sue > (central west NSW) Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

Hello Frances, Try looking for his Naturalisation application forms http://www.naa.gov.au/The_Collection/recordsearch.html You may find his birth, parents, addresses, wife and children etc. Good luck Doreen West Aust. --- Kiwi Terrier <kiwi-terrier@ihug.co.nz> wrote: > Hi Everyone > > Hopefully I am on the right list. > > Looking for information on a Christian de RINK who > settled in different > parts of Australia from 1899. > > According to recent information Christian de RINK b > 1871/72 in France > settling in Albany and applied for Citizenship in > the 1930's > > " Quote": > I was naturalised in Albany in 1930. I had a hotel > at the time - the Albany > Hotel - and had to naturalized before I could hold a > license. > I remained in the Albany Hotel 12 months after I > was naturalized. I was > also employed as an engineer by Sunning Bros. > Albany, before I went into the > hotel , for 14 months. > > He also had the Premier Hotel. > > On his application it mentioned that he was married > to a Teresa and she was > born in Maitland N.S.W > And aged 45 years and now resides at Perth ( dated > 14 April 1930) > > Did he marry in Western Australia? > > > Any information would be most helpful as I am > helping my godmother in > tracing her birth father history. > > Regards > Frances (NZ) > > > ==== AUS-WA Mailing List ==== > > Q: Why do WA's cyber-genies hang out at the Perth > DPS & use DPS-CHAT-L ? > A: Check out: ' > http://www.perthdps.com/dps-chat.htm ' > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death > Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

Hi all I ventured last time to the beautiful W.A. (cyber-ly speaking) and found great helpers on the Kalgoorlie list, but this time i have no idea where to start. I have only 2 lines to go to finish my mum's family, branching down from 1855 when her grandfather, Mathew John FITZPATRICK came out to Australia from Ireland. If anyone could help with any information concerning the following couple, i'd be very appreciative: *Letitia M FITZPATRICK *( 1869 - ? ) m. ? *BROHN *( known as Snowy) It is believed they had 2 children, a boy and a girl, at the time of leaving for Western Australia; they never returned to Central West NSW ( Mudgee area) where Letitia was born on a property called Ossory, at Merendee. & they changed their name to *BROWN* during war time. Many thanks, Sue (central west NSW)

Hi Everyone Hopefully I am on the right list. Looking for information on a Christian de RINK who settled in different parts of Australia from 1899. According to recent information Christian de RINK b 1871/72 in France settling in Albany and applied for Citizenship in the 1930's " Quote": I was naturalised in Albany in 1930. I had a hotel at the time - the Albany Hotel - and had to naturalized before I could hold a license. I remained in the Albany Hotel 12 months after I was naturalized. I was also employed as an engineer by Sunning Bros. Albany, before I went into the hotel , for 14 months. He also had the Premier Hotel. On his application it mentioned that he was married to a Teresa and she was born in Maitland N.S.W And aged 45 years and now resides at Perth ( dated 14 April 1930) Did he marry in Western Australia? Any information would be most helpful as I am helping my godmother in tracing her birth father history. Regards Frances (NZ)

I also found this Frances: Death, NSW: Mary RINK died 1920 at Hamilton, Reg No: 14293. Father: Christian Mother: Teresa. Cheers Wendy Wendy wrote: > Hi Frances, > > Found this in NSW: > > 1919: RINK, Christian married TOBIN, Teresa at Hamilton, NSW. Reg No: > 13919 > > I have had a look for him on the National Archives site, and it > appears his nationality was revoked in 1932. Have you seen his > records there? Follow the link Doreen sent you and you will find them. > > Cheers > Wendy > Perth WA > > > >