Dear Beryl, Thanks for passing my message on. I've received some very helpful information, and am pleased to find that the property still exists. Regards Paula. -----Original Message----- Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 17:16:07 +1100 From: "Beryl O'Gorman" <beryl@wordweavers.net> Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] "Somerton", Strathdownie To: <aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <034101c72d6c$53682300$6501a8c0@workstation0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Paula I've passed your question on to a friend who grew up in Strathdownie. She may have some info for you. Cheers Beryl Beryl O'Gorman Greensborough Victoria Australia List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paula Sutton" <paulasutton@optusnet.com.au> To: <aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] "Somerton", Strathdownie > Does anyone know of the property named "Somerton", somewhere near > Strathdownie? I have a James Thomas Sutton who owned it from sometime > before 1890 till 1894. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 20:42:52 +1100 From: "Ron Philllips" <ronphillips@netspace.net.au> Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] Fw: Gaol To: <aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <007f01c72e52$5fa91160$6501a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Julie I doubt it would have been actually stated as "Death by hanging" on the death certificate. I would imagine the cause of death would show as perhaps "death by asphyxiation" or death by the medical equivalent for a broken neck or some such medical description of the injury sustained from the actual hanging. Funny enough you don't actually die by hanging. Death comes as a consequence of the injuries caused by the way in which the hanging affects the human body - primarily a broken neck and severed spinal cord - well hopefully that is. If the rope is not properly positioned the neck doesn't break and then death is by asphyxiation and that is not a nice way to go! Only the Court and Prison Records would record the event itself ie the actual hanging. Lovely subjects we Genies get involved in! Regards Ron Phillips Melbourne Victoria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie M Hopper" <juliemhopper@hotkey.net.au> To: <aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] Fw: Gaol > Thanks Ron, > I just wondered if a prisoner who had been sentenced to death by hanging > would have had that fact only recorded somewhere other than in the BDM > register - perhaps in a separate police file. If not, as you suggest, then > (in the case I was interested in) a recording of 'East Melbourne Gaol' as > the place of the person's death could have meant death by hanging, or > death > by natural causes. > Julie. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-vic-western-district-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-vic-western-district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ron > Philllips > Sent: Monday, 1 January 2007 3:05 PM > To: aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] Fw: Gaol > > Hi Julie > No I would not assume that at all. All deaths are recorded notwithstanding > the cause of death. > > Regards > Ron Phillips > Melbourne Victoria > SNIP > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 00:10:16 +1100 From: "Julie M Hopper" <juliemhopper@hotkey.net.au> Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] Fw: Gaol To: <aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <20070102131038.28877171A4@stiletto.hotkey.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello again Ron, Yes it is a bit grisly, isn't it? I'm thinking seriously of sending for the certificate in question just to satisfy my (perhaps morbid) curiosity as to what the actual wording is. I don't know with this relative what the circumstances were, so I guess that this would be the only way to find out. Needless to say, the person was never discussed in the family, and I found him purely by chance when looking through Digger for something else altogether. Of course in 1900 hanging offences were quite numerous, but even so his death may have been from natural causes. I take your point that strictly speaking one doesn't actually die by hanging, but since it is the hanging which causes the broken spinal cord, asphyxiation, etc. then shouldn't it say so on the certificate? I don't know - perhaps there are privacy issues or something of the sort here for the immediate family, so maybe that's why the actual event, the 'real' cause of the person's death, is likely to be noted only in the Court or Prison records. Presumably these records would have restricted access, if any at all. On a more cheerful note, may I wish you a happy New Year and lots of good breakthroughs in your research in 2007. Regards and all the best for now, Julie. -----Original Message----- From: aus-vic-western-district-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-western-district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ron Philllips Sent: Tuesday, 2 January 2007 8:43 PM To: aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] Fw: Gaol SNIP ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 01:46:38 -0500 From: jnnyb@aol.com Subject: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] Lawrence LAMBERT & Mary BISHOP - Nurrabeil To: aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8C8FD1A0DC7684E-77C-3E94@mblk-d36.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Folks, Does anyone own Lawrence Lambert (cir 1832-1897) son of Robert LAMBERT & Amelia OAKUM. Lawrence is buried with his wife Mary (nee Bishop) at Nurrabeil. If anyone is researching this family I'd really like to know more details about the father Robert LAMBERT and what children are stated on his death cert. I'm also interested in the states Robert lived in. Jenny ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 21:46:05 +1100 From: "Ron Philllips" <ronphillips@netspace.net.au> Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] Fw: Gaol To: <aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <004401c72f24$5f1eca50$6501a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Julie You may be right about the Death Certificate but I really do not think so. The Death Certificate is made out by a Doctor and notwithstanding that he is attending a hanging he would only enter the cause of death in medical terms as he is required to do under the Law. No Doctor anywhere that I know of has ever put down the event leading to the demise of the person only the actual reason WHY life finished. For example you don't see "Killed in Car Crash" as a cause of death - what you get "Died of massive internal haemorrhaging" or "Skull Fracture". Similarly you don't see "Died of Smoking" You get "Carcinoma of the Lung/Bowel" etc. Guess we will have to get the Certificate to see which of us is right! Regards Ron Phillips Melbourne Victoria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie M Hopper" <juliemhopper@hotkey.net.au> To: <aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] Fw: Gaol > Hello again Ron, > Yes it is a bit grisly, isn't it? I'm thinking seriously of sending for > the > certificate in question just to satisfy my (perhaps morbid) curiosity as > to > what the actual wording is. I don't know with this relative what the > circumstances were, so I guess that this would be the only way to find > out. > Needless to say, the person was never discussed in the family, and I found > him purely by chance when looking through Digger for something else > altogether. Of course in 1900 hanging offences were quite numerous, but > even > so his death may have been from natural causes. > > I take your point that strictly speaking one doesn't actually die by > hanging, but since it is the hanging which causes the broken spinal cord, > asphyxiation, etc. then shouldn't it say so on the certificate? I don't > know > - perhaps there are privacy issues or something of the sort here for the > immediate family, so maybe that's why the actual event, the 'real' cause > of > the person's death, is likely to be noted only in the Court or Prison > records. Presumably these records would have restricted access, if any at > all. > > On a more cheerful note, may I wish you a happy New Year and lots of good > breakthroughs in your research in 2007. > > Regards and all the best for now, > Julie. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-vic-western-district-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-vic-western-district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ron > Philllips > Sent: Tuesday, 2 January 2007 8:43 PM > To: aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] Fw: Gaol > SNIP > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 21:35:30 +1000 From: "Debbie Godbold" <canpeg@in.com.au> Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] Fw: Gaol To: <aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001e01c72f2b$46362040$2e01a8c0@Debbie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes, please ! I am intrigued with this discussion :-) Cheers Debbie - listening to the beautiful, much needed, and appreciated RAIN on the roof ! Supposedly here for a week ! :-) Hope you also get some Victoria ! -----Original Message----- From: aus-vic-western-district-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-western-district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ron Philllips Sent: Wednesday, 3 January 2007 8:46 PM To: aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] Fw: Gaol Hi Julie <snipped> Guess we will have to get the Certificate to see which of us is right! Regards Ron Phillips Melbourne Victoria ------------------------------ To contact the AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT list administrator, send an email to AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT-admin@rootsweb.com. 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