Or Portland, and coastal steamer to Warrnambool. Beryl O'Gorman Greensborough Victoria Australia List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Perrett" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC-West] Immigration direct to Warrnambool > On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:08:55 +1100, Malcolm Ward wrote: > > > > >Hi all > > > >Again seeking some help from local experts on Warrnambool's history. > > > >Were there any ships carrying passengers from the UK that offloaded passengers directly at Warrnambool (or a port nearby) in either about 1853 or about 1870?

Have no knowledge of any ships to Warrnambool direct, but at least four went direct to Belfast/Port Fairy (including "Chance" in 1857). Many more went to Portland. Apart from Geelong and Melbourne, in my family two groups who ended up in Hamilton came via Adelaide. > >

Hello Malcolm and others My Harvey family went from UK (Cornwall) on the Clara and disembarked at Belfast (Port Fairy) in Dec 1854. This seemed to be a regular place for disembarking along with Portland at that time. I was in Port Fairy at the weekend and would recommend the local Historical Society if you need to research early residents of the area. The fee is $25 and the researchers have the local knowledge, experience and original resources. The local cemetery is in good condition and I was able to easily get photographs of the gravestone for my great grandparents and great uncle. Apart from that there are still original buildings that give one a taste of earlier times and it is a great place to spend a few days delving in the past and walking the tracks and paths perhaps used by our ancestors. To top it off there is plenty of great accommodation and numerous upmarket eating places to make it a memorable time. Cheers Beth in Melbourne

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:08:55 +1100, Malcolm Ward wrote: > >Hi all > >Again seeking some help from local experts on Warrnambool's history. > >Were there any ships carrying passengers from the UK that offloaded passengers directly at Warrnambool (or a port nearby) in either about 1853 or about 1870? > >I'm not after passenger lists or ship's names (but any would be welcome :-) ), just seeing if my theory about certain ancestors arriving directly in Warrnambool from England around those dates is plausible. > >If there weren't any "direct" routes, where would a settler (in one case of mine a young lady & her grandmother from Cornwall) most likely disembark to get to Warrnambool? I assume Melbourne, but I think I've taken that option as far as I can, so am hoping for alternatives. Could be Pt Henry/Geelong or Pt Fairy/Belfast. Cheers, Tom <[email protected]> Tom Perrett

Hi all Again seeking some help from local experts on Warrnambool's history. Were there any ships carrying passengers from the UK that offloaded passengers directly at Warrnambool (or a port nearby) in either about 1853 or about 1870? I'm not after passenger lists or ship's names (but any would be welcome :-) ), just seeing if my theory about certain ancestors arriving directly in Warrnambool from England around those dates is plausible. If there weren't any "direct" routes, where would a settler (in one case of mine a young lady & her grandmother from Cornwall) most likely disembark to get to Warrnambool? I assume Melbourne, but I think I've taken that option as far as I can, so am hoping for alternatives. Regards Malcolm Ward Sydney, Australia [email protected]

Hi Aileen and All Daryl will confirm but I think that would have been Snizort Station. Cheers Beryl Beryl O'Gorman Greensborough Victoria Australia List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aileen and Dene Travis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:37 AM Subject: {not a subscriber} Angus McINTYRE - Sneizor Station > I was duty at the Mornington Peninsula FHS , and when it was quiet I read the 1864 Police Gazette . I love reading it . I picked out a couple of Western Victoria items . I know no more than is here.

Many thanks to those who replied re Lady Bay / Steam Packet Hotel. Malcolm Ward [email protected] Sydney, Australia > -----Original Message----- > From: Malcolm Ward [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, 24 February 2004 10:28 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [AUS-VIC-West] W'bool "Jetty" & Lady Bay Hotel > > Hi all > > I have a marriage certificate of George SHAKESPEARE and Julia Belinda COOK > from 1870 which gives the location of the marriage as "the residence of the > groom, Jetty " and I've always assumed that "Jetty" was the name of a house.

Hello Margaret, Helen & List, "Australians Behind the Camera" gives the following for Walter Sheridan: [Templeton Street] (my listing) Castlemaine 1901-02 Cobden St Camperdown 1910-12 Camp St Camperdown 1912-1927 [Martin's Buildings opposite Post Office 1920s But no Church St. Can you give any other local exactness to this man's addresses? I'd love to enter the corrections in my records. It may help someone else enquiring. Regards Ada At 09:32 25-02-04 +1100, you wrote: >Hello Helen & List >I was on duty at Camperdown (Historical Society Inc) Museum yesterday >(tuesday) & had a look through photographs & found a photo with 'Walter >Sheridan Photographer' studio in the background. >The time frame 1910-14 looks about right as the photograph is of a lady >(Jemma Pratt) in a carriage in front of the studio. Miss Pratt operated a >Private hospital in Camperdown. >Walter Sheridan, studio was in Church St Camperdown and the building still >stands (somewhat changed). >Camperdown Museum holds a wonderfull collection of old photohraphs of the >district & it's people. >Museum is opened every Tues, Frid, Sun from 2-4pm. >Regards >Margaret Nixon > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Helen Lang" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 2:08 PM >Subject: [AUS-VIC-West] Camperdown Photographer > > > > Hello All > > > > Have a lot of old photos from W. Sheridan Camperdown, I think about > > 1900-1910. As is usual, very few are identified, does anyone have any > > suggestions or information re the photographer? Also one from G.A.Lee also > > from Camperdown, > > > > TIA > > Helen > > > >==== AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT Mailing List ==== >GENSEEK: A comprehensive website rich in Western District information >hosted by Jenny Fawcett >http://www.hotkey.net.au/~jwilliams4/westdist.htm > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 regards, Ada Ackerly, Melbourne, Australia formerly Ackerly DocuSearch

Hello Helen & List I was on duty at Camperdown (Historical Society Inc) Museum yesterday (tuesday) & had a look through photographs & found a photo with 'Walter Sheridan Photographer' studio in the background. The time frame 1910-14 looks about right as the photograph is of a lady (Jemma Pratt) in a carriage in front of the studio. Miss Pratt operated a Private hospital in Camperdown. Walter Sheridan, studio was in Church St Camperdown and the building still stands (somewhat changed). Camperdown Museum holds a wonderfull collection of old photohraphs of the district & it's people. Museum is opened every Tues, Frid, Sun from 2-4pm. Regards Margaret Nixon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Lang" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 2:08 PM Subject: [AUS-VIC-West] Camperdown Photographer > Hello All > > Have a lot of old photos from W. Sheridan Camperdown, I think about > 1900-1910. As is usual, very few are identified, does anyone have any > suggestions or information re the photographer? Also one from G.A.Lee also > from Camperdown, > > TIA > Helen

Have you considered that the marriage may have taken place "on" the Jetty of the Grooms Residence at The Steam Packet Hotel. Assuming of course that this hotel had a beachfront location. Tony Meade ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Ward" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:27 PM Subject: [AUS-VIC-West] W'bool "Jetty" & Lady Bay Hotel > Hi all > > I have a marriage certificate of George SHAKESPEARE and Julia Belinda COOK > from 1870 which gives the location of the marriage as "the residence of the > groom, Jetty " and I've always assumed that "Jetty" was the name of a house. > > However I've just looked up the Warrnambool rate books for the 1870s and I > see that there was an area of town called "Jetty Allotments". Can anyone > confirm my current assumption that "Jetty" was (maybe is) a locality in > Warrnambool? > > George Shakespeare ran the Steam Packet Hotel, which I'm told was on the > site of the present Lady Bay Hotel. Would the LBH be at "Jetty" ? > > Regards > > Malcolm Ward > [email protected] > Sydney, Australia > > > > >

Hello Listers, Well, that is the truth...The Jetty was on Lady Bay and I have a photo of the original STEAM PACKET HOTEL on my wall, above my computer. This building was the original and first bond store of Manifold & Bostock on Lady Bay, when Warrnambool was declared a port. The old bond store was extended to serve many purposes at a later time, one being the Steam Packet Hotel, which incorporated the old bond store, while another was the Lady Bay Hotel. While visiting a few years ago, we were shown some of the walls, that were from the original bond store. We believe the building is now demolished. After the bond store moved to cnr.Timor and Leibig Streets c.1857, many businesses worked in the old store which was incorporated in the new ventures. This shows that the marriage could have taken place in the Steam Packet Hotel...most probably...but I don't have dates to hand just now.. I have dates in file. We have just suffered some breakdown on XP tonight and I am working in Windows '98 for a change. What a pain.....Just as well Matthew can do this, as I would be lost... There is much more I can share with you regarding these early days on Lady Bay and bond stores. However, for now, I must try and get my files back.... Sincerely Thelma (Bostock) Birrell. > However I've just looked up the Warrnambool rate books for the 1870s and I > see that there was an area of town called "Jetty Allotments". Can anyone > confirm my current assumption that "Jetty" was (maybe is) a locality in > Warrnambool? > > George Shakespeare ran the Steam Packet Hotel, which I'm told was on the > site of the present Lady Bay Hotel. Would the LBH be at "Jetty" ?

Hi all I have a marriage certificate of George SHAKESPEARE and Julia Belinda COOK from 1870 which gives the location of the marriage as "the residence of the groom, Jetty " and I've always assumed that "Jetty" was the name of a house. However I've just looked up the Warrnambool rate books for the 1870s and I see that there was an area of town called "Jetty Allotments". Can anyone confirm my current assumption that "Jetty" was (maybe is) a locality in Warrnambool? George Shakespeare ran the Steam Packet Hotel, which I'm told was on the site of the present Lady Bay Hotel. Would the LBH be at "Jetty" ? Regards Malcolm Ward [email protected] Sydney, Australia

>From the pen of Augustus Bostock, Grazier of Grasmere, near Warrnambool. This is the first time Augustus has recognised Mr.DREW as.......... T.DREW.... JULY 1863.. Wed 1 - ARNEL (Fred) absent. DREW (Mr.) tried to get in some of the pigs out of the back paddock. ATKINSON and myself went up to Coomete to see how everything was getting on up there. Came back the same evening. Weather very fine. Thu 2 - ARNEL (F) absent. Drew in pigs as they got through fence again, but did not succeed. WILSON (John) came and bought 31 pigs for £64/10/- C.O.D. to be taken in 3 days. Weather fine. Fri 3 - ARNEL (F) working in the garden. Put another yeard in far corner of paddock to get in pigs that were outside. Sent to DOY (Mr.) to see if he would take in pigs for WILSON (John). Weather showery. Sat 4 - DREW (Mr.) finished yard. Went to Warrnambool and stayed in town all night. JAMES AITKIN came down. Weather showery. Sun 5 - Went out to ERNEST'S (Bostock) to dinner. Stayed in town all night. Weather showery. Mon 6 - Heavy storm, wind and rain. two vessels went ashore in Warrnambool. Returned home. PALMER (O.F.W.) and myself went down to KOROIT to sale of cattle. Weather fearful. Tue 7 - DOY'S TEAM took part of the pigs WILSON (John). Went down to JELLIE'S SALE. Went into Warrnambool in the evening. JIMMY (B) and ATKINSON (Mr.) left for Coomete. Weather still bad. Wed 8 - Went to the BEACH to SALE of one of the WRECKS. DOY'S TEAM took in last of the pigs for WILSON (John). Returned home. DREW (Mr.) went to Warrnambool to meet people per the STEAMER but she didn't come in. FIRST FLOOD IN RIVER - still rising. Showery. Thu 9 - ARNEL (Fred) at work in the garden. DREW (Mr.) went into Warrnambool to meet his friends. Went round all the cattle and sheep on Grasmere. Went over to LATTA'S (William) about his pig. Weather showery. Fri 10 - DREW (Mr.) away in Warrnambool to meet friends by the steamer. Went into Warrnambool in the afternoon. Stayed all night at ERNEST'S (Bostock). MACKENZIE (Anthony) came down. Weather fine. Sat 11 - Attended meeting of the ROAD BOARD. Went to the Hopkin's River with MACKENZIE (Anthony) and others to try and catch some fish. Stayed in town all night. Settled with WILSON (John) for pigs. Weather fine. Sun 12 - Went out to ERNEST'S (Bostock) to dinner. Started with MACKENZIE (Anthony) for home, but obliged to stay and it rained hard. Mon 13 - Returned home before breakfast. B & Philip HELPMAN came with me and left for home after. Went to the township about getting potatoes from ARNEL'S (Fred). Called at DOY'S(Mr.) about hay and to tell him about MACKENZIE'S (Anthony) mare. Tried to get pigs out of back paddock, but only succeeded in getting in five of the large ones. Weather showery all day. Tue 14 - Spent the day trying to get in pigs. Only succeeded in getting in one which we ran down. Went round all cattle on Purnim. Went to MARGETT'S (Edward) about his sheep. Weather rain all day. Wed 15 - Got in more of the pigs but could not find the wildest mob. Went to Woodford to sale of fat cattle held by KNIGHT (Andrew Halley). Put two wild sows in the sty under the shed and brought up the young pig. River rising. Weather - light showers all day. Thu 16 - Getting in pigs for WILSON (John) all day. Went to Warrnambool in the evening to see WILSON about pigs. Weather stormy. Fri 17 - Returned home before breakfast. Sent 18 pigs to WILSON (John) in DOY'S WAGGON. River rising. DREW (Mr.) went to find stray pigs. EVERITT (Charles) & WRIGHT came to see if they could get two steers for two bullocks. They went round to see if any would suit them at Purnim. Bullock dray came from COOMETE. Weather fine. Sat 18 - DREW (Mr.) went out again to try and find pigs. ARNEL (Frederick) working in the garden. Went down to the sale of MacKELLAR'S (Mr.) cattle at KOROIT, but they did not make their appearance. Went to ERNEST'S (Bostock) and walked from there into town and back. Sun 19 - Went into town to church and stayed all night. Got my letters. Weather very fine. Mon 20 - Returned from town before breakfast. Started the dray for COOMETE. WM.KEILLAR finished the gates. Passed all the sheep through arsenic for their feet...and some of the lambs. Weather sharp frost and fine after. Tue 21 - PETER called about slabs for huts at COOMETE. Walked as far as forest with him to see slabs. Went to see WM.KEILLAR about putting up the huts. DREW (T.) carted stuff to gateways. Went to MARGETTS (Edw) in afternoon. Called at LATTA'S (William) about his pigs and to see if he would plough tobacco ground for me. Agreed with old ARNEL(Fred) to cart loads to Coomete. Weather.cold,dull,storms. Wed 22 - Sent sheep in with ERNEST (Bostock). Agreed with PETER for slabs. ARNEL (Fred) working in the garden. Weather showery. Thu 23 - Went into Warrnambool about loading dray with timber for Coomete. Went from there to election of NEW ROAD BOARD and stayed in town all night. PALMER (Octavius Frederick William) called at GRASMERE. Weather fine. Fri 24 - Went down to KOROIT to sale of MacKELLAR'S (Mr.) cattle and returned home in the afternoon. Went into ERNEST'S (Bostock) to a party. Weather changeable. Sat 25 - Had a PIGEON MATCH at ERNEST'S (Bostock). Stayed in town all night. Weather showery. Sun 26 - Went to church. Stayed in town all night. Weather fine. Mon 27 - Stayed in town all day. Went out to ERNEST'S in the morning. Weather - Raining nearly all day. Tue 28 - JIMMY (Bostock) TOM (Bostock) and myself went to ERNEST'S to get our horses, but changed our minds and stayed. W. very fine. Wed 29 - JIMMY (Bostock) and myself returned to GRASMERE in the morning. JIMMY left for Coomete in the afternoon. TOM (Bostock) went as far as SPRING CREEK on his way home. Arranged with WILLIAM KEILLAR when to go to Coomete. Walked to the township and called at MR.STUBBS. Weather very fine. Thu 30 - Brought down and killed a beast for WELCH (WELSH) (Mr..). Called to see the MARGETTS (Edw.) ARNEL (Fred) and T.DREW trenching the new piece of ground in the garden. (First indentification of MR.DREW having a given name " T "). Weather very fine. Fri 31 - WELSH (Mr.) brought potatoes and took away beef. Blistered Inkerman all round. Went to WELSH'S to see pigs for sale. DREW (T) brought log for sleeper in stable. WILLIAM KEILLAR started for Coomete to put up the huts. Weather fine but storm at night. So ends another month of Gussy's writings... in 1863 at Grasmere. Sincerely...Thelma Birrell "Experience is what we get when we don't get what we want."

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Hi Libby, Sorry no listings for MCMILLAN Kind Regards Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth K McMillan To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 2:14 PM Subject: McMillan family Jan Are there any McMillan family members mentioned in that list of records that you have for Coleraine, Best wishes Libby ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Libby McMillan is the Facility Manager, PATTAF Private Mail Bag, Post Office Port Moresby, NCD Papua New Guinea ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Hi Eileen One Obituary for NAGLE Mary Eileen NAGLE 8th September 1919 On the 8th September at Nurse Robinsons Private Hospital, Fitzroy, Mary Eileen, the beloved and only daughter of Richard and Mary Nagle: aged 1 year and 7 months Kind Regards Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "egorman" <[email protected]> To: "janette" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC-West] Look ups from Coleraine Albion Newspaper > Jan > > Are there any NAGLE/NEAGLE in the Newspaper extracts, lived at 'Erin > Vale' Gritjurk. > Regards Eileen > >

Hi everyone, Wondering if anyone can tell me if there is an "Eglintoun Station, Upper Goulbourn" in Victoria. This was in an entry for a Missing Person, from "Old News Copy" in 1851. Cheers, Debbie, melting up here in Qld at 40+ Celsius (wearing track-pants last month !)

Jan Are there any NAGLE/NEAGLE in the Newspaper extracts, lived at 'Erin Vale' Gritjurk. Regards Eileen

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Hi David, A quick check of the National Archives database just searching on POW Murchison showed quite a few entries - a lot where POWs requested permission to arrange Power of Attorney for wife or relative in their home country. So it would be worth just searching for the names you have to see if there are any records. http://www.naa.gov.au/The_Collection/recordsearch.html Regards ....... Susie Z ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Collyer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 11:56 PM Subject: [AUS-VIC-West] Murchison POW Camp > Dear Friends, > I was going through some papers today and came across letters which were > sent to my grandfather from the 3 Italian POWs he had working on his farm > at Pomborneit, Victoria from 1943 - 1945. These letters were written in > 1946 from the POW camp at Murchison, Vic., and I was wondering whether > anyone knew if there are records in existence which would tell, whether > these prisoners eventually went back to Italy or stayed on here in Victoria. > > I would love to contact their descendants as I have some artifacts they > made, and their names have been remembered with great fondness within the > McGARVIE family ever since WW2. > Thanks > David in Ballarat