Judy Children of Lazarus and Mary Hannah Hudson Albyn James Victor 25 May 1901 M Clara Isabel 29 Sept 1896 F Melrose Herbert Drew 26 July 1902 M William Stanley Albert 30 Oct 1898 M Edgar Boundary Martin M 4 April 1905 F not recorded M Mary Elizabeth Potter South Aust Births to 1906 Cheers Margaret -----Original Message----- From: aus-vic-western-district-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-western-district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Eric and Judy Douthie Sent: Saturday, 20 January 2007 2:35 PM To: AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] Potter, Willson Nhill and Dimboola Hello to all on the list, I hope someone can help me. Could SKS who has the SA BDM's give me any births for Lazarus and Mary Potter and any children of Oliver and Maud Willson also children born to Maud Potter before her marriage. I am also interested in any information on Lazarus Potter born 1827 died 1936 (yes the dates are correct) TIA Regards Judy Wangaratta ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Judy Digger - South Australian Births Registrations 1907 to 1928 Surname: POTTER Given Names: Vera Rosina Date: 1907-09-20 Sex: F Father: [unrecorded] Mother: Maud Elizabeth POTTER Birth Place/Residence: Wolseley District Code: Wel Symbol: Book: 790 Page: 484 Cross Reference: Surname: POTTER Given Names: Ivy Madge Kathrine Date: 1912-08-04 Sex: F Father: [unrecorded] Mother: Maud Elizabeth POTTER Birth Place/Residence: Wolseley District Code: Wel Symbol: Book: 897 Page: 277 Cross Reference: Digger - South Australian Births Registrations 1907 to 1928 Surname: WILSON Given Names: Alfred George Martin Date: 1915-01-10 Sex: M Father: Oliver Charles Edward Wood McLean WILSON Mother: Maud Elizabeth POTTER Birth Place/Residence: Wolseley District Code: Wel Symbol: Book: 952 Page: 147 Cross Reference: Surname: WILLSON Given Names: Jean Date: 1919-03-24 Sex: F Father: Oliver Charles Edward Wood McLean WILLSON Mother: Maud Elizabeth POTTER Birth Place/Residence: Wolseley District Code: Wel Symbol: Book: 34A Page: 105 Cross Reference: Digger - South Australian Births Registrations 1907 to 1928 Surname: WILLSON Given Names: Arthur Stanley James Date: 1920-05-08 Sex: M Father: Oliver Charles Edward Wood McLean WILLSON Mother: Maud Elizabeth POTTES Birth Place/Residence: Bordertown District Code: Wel Symbol: Book: 55A Page: 322 Cross Reference: Surname: WILLSON Given Names: Olive Maud Mary Date: 1921-09-26 Sex: F Father: Oliver Charles Edward Wood McLean WILLSON Mother: Maud Elizabeth POTTER Birth Place/Residence: Bordertown District Code: Wel Symbol: Book: 84A Page: 397 Cross Reference: Surname: WILLSON Given Names: Eric Walter Herbert Date: 1924-11-17 Sex: M Father: Oliver Charles Edward Wood McLean WILLSON Mother: Maud Elizabeth POTTER Birth Place/Residence: Bordertown District Code: Wel Symbol: Book: 146A Page: 203 Cross Reference: Surname: WILLSON Given Names: Linda Daphne May Date: 1926-03-12 Sex: F Father: Oliver Charles Wood McLean WILLSON Mother: Maud Elizabeth POTTER Birth Place/Residence: Bordertown District Code: Wel Symbol: Book: 170A Page: 600 Cross Reference: Digger - South Australian Births Registrations 1907 to 1928 Surname: WILSON Given Names: Betty Elizabeth Hannah Date: 1927-04-19 Sex: F Father: Oliver Charles WILSON Mother: Maude Elizabeth POTTER Birth Place/Residence: Bordertown District Code: Wel Symbol: Book: 198A Page: 507 Cross Reference: Surname: WILLSON Given Names: Shirley Edna Marie Date: 1928-08-28 Sex: F Father: Oliver Charles Edward Wood McLean WILLSON Mother: Maud Elizabeth POTTER Birth Place/Residence: Bordertown District Code: Wel Symbol: Book: 218A Page: 484 Cross Reference: Digger - South Australian Births 1842-1906 (c) SAGHS Surname: POTTER Given Names: Clara Isabel Date: 1896-09-29 Sex: F Father: Lazarus POTTER Mother: Mary Hannah HUDSON Birth Place/Residence: Border Town District Code: Wel Symbol: Book: 591 Page: 430 Cross Reference: Surname: POTTER Given Names: William Stanley Albert Date: 1898-10-30 Sex: M Father: Lazarus POTTER Mother: Mary Hannah HUDSON Birth Place/Residence: Wolseley District Code: Wel Symbol: Book: 630 Page: 318 Cross Reference: Surname: POTTER Given Names: Albyn James Victor Date: 1901-05-25 Sex: M Father: Lazarus POTTER Mother: Mary Hannah HUDSON Birth Place/Residence: Wolseley District Code: Wel Symbol: Book: 678 Page: 263 Cross Reference: Surname: POTTER Given Names: Melrose Herbert Drew Date: 1902-07-26 Sex: M Father: Lazarus POTTER Mother: Mary HUDSON Birth Place/Residence: Wolseley District Code: Wel Symbol: Book: 699 Page: 195 Cross Reference: Digger - Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985 Surname: HOCHFIELD Given Names: Olive Maud Mary Father: Willson Oliver Mother: Maude POTTER Death Place: WANG Age: 57 Age Code: Year: 1979 Reg Number: 16348 Event: D Surname: CLEE Given Names: Vera Rosina Father: Willson Ollie Mother: Maude Elizabe POTTER Death Place: DIMB Age: 67 Age Code: Year: 1975 Reg Number: 8246 Event: D Digger - Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985 Surname: WILLSON Given Names: Maud Eliz Father: Potter Lazarus Mother: Mary Hannah HUDSON Death Place: DIMBOOLA Age: 60 Age Code: Year: 1950 Reg Number: 22905 Event: D Digger - Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985 Surname: POTTER Given Names: Harry Father: Lazarus Mother: Mary Hannah HUDSON Death Place: NHILL Age: 58 Age Code: Year: 1952 Reg Number: 21603 Event: D Surname: MERRETT Given Names: Clara Isabel Father: Potter Lazarus Mother: Mary Hannah HUDSON Death Place: NHIL Age: 75 Age Code: Year: 1972 Reg Number: 2105 Event: D Digger - Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985 Surname: POTTER Given Names: Mary Hannah Father: Hudson Stephen Mother: Elizth HEMMINGWAY Death Place: NHILL Age: 82 Age Code: Year: 1942 Reg Number: 30314 Event: D Regards Robyn -----Original Message----- From: aus-vic-western-district-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-western-district-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Eric and Judy Douthie Sent: Saturday, 20 January 2007 2:35 PM To: AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT@rootsweb.com Subject: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] Potter, Willson Nhill and Dimboola Hello to all on the list, I hope someone can help me. I have a marriage certificate for a Oliver Edward Charles McLean Willson and a Maud Potter married at Bordertown, SA in Dec 1914. Oliver and Maud went on to have 7 or 8 children before Oliver disappoeared. It is thought that he possibly had 'another' family after this one. It also seems that Maud had at least one daughter before her marriage (Vera) Maud was the daughter of Lazarus Potter and Mary Hudson, they seem to have lived at Nhill and Dimboola and most probably in SA at some stage. Could SKS who has the SA BDM's give me any births for Lazarus and Mary Potter and any children of Oliver and Maud Willson also children born to Maud Potter before her marriage. I am also interested in any information on Lazarus Potter born 1827 died 1936 (yes the dates are correct) TIA Regards Judy Wangaratta ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello to all on the list, I hope someone can help me. I have a marriage certificate for a Oliver Edward Charles McLean Willson and a Maud Potter married at Bordertown, SA in Dec 1914. Oliver and Maud went on to have 7 or 8 children before Oliver disappoeared. It is thought that he possibly had 'another' family after this one. It also seems that Maud had at least one daughter before her marriage (Vera) Maud was the daughter of Lazarus Potter and Mary Hudson, they seem to have lived at Nhill and Dimboola and most probably in SA at some stage. Could SKS who has the SA BDM's give me any births for Lazarus and Mary Potter and any children of Oliver and Maud Willson also children born to Maud Potter before her marriage. I am also interested in any information on Lazarus Potter born 1827 died 1936 (yes the dates are correct) TIA Regards Judy Wangaratta

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Hi Julie Sound like the Dr was a bit of a quack! Didn't know what cause the death so put down the first thing that came into his mind! :-) Guess he was hoping his short comings would never be discovered. Blasted Dr's!! When I was growing up they were demi-gods that knew it all - seems they are just as fallible as us mere mortals! Regards Ron Phillips Melbourne Victoria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie M Hopper" <juliemhopper@hotkey.net.au> To: <aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 4:45 PM Subject: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] gaol, hanging, etc. > Greetings listers, > > > > Many thanks to every lister who has contributed something to the > discussion > on deaths in prison. It has turned into a very interesting topic, even if > it > does have its gruesome side. I have learned heaps, so thank you everyone. > > > > For those of you who have been wondering what happens next, I have checked > the inquest index, and my chap's cause of death is listed as 'Inflammation > Lungs'. Now I have no idea what that means (Asthma? Pleurisy? Pneumonia?) > but it is possibly a 'natural cause', i.e. it is not likely that this > person > was hanged. My guess is that he was probably a prisoner who was taken ill > and died while serving his sentence, and because the death occurred in > prison, an inquest was necessary. This was in 1904. > > > > So yes, I will order his death certificate, in the hope that more details > will be shown. Meantime, I have to wait until my Visa card recovers from > Christmas (or 'stops steaming', thank you Tricia!) and then I will order > it > as soon as I can. Stay tuned, folks, I will let the list know the outcome > as > soon as my Visa card can stand the strain! > > > > Cheers to all > > Julie. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings listers, Many thanks to every lister who has contributed something to the discussion on deaths in prison. It has turned into a very interesting topic, even if it does have its gruesome side. I have learned heaps, so thank you everyone. For those of you who have been wondering what happens next, I have checked the inquest index, and my chap's cause of death is listed as 'Inflammation Lungs'. Now I have no idea what that means (Asthma? Pleurisy? Pneumonia?) but it is possibly a 'natural cause', i.e. it is not likely that this person was hanged. My guess is that he was probably a prisoner who was taken ill and died while serving his sentence, and because the death occurred in prison, an inquest was necessary. This was in 1904. So yes, I will order his death certificate, in the hope that more details will be shown. Meantime, I have to wait until my Visa card recovers from Christmas (or 'stops steaming', thank you Tricia!) and then I will order it as soon as I can. Stay tuned, folks, I will let the list know the outcome as soon as my Visa card can stand the strain! Cheers to all Julie.

Hi Daryl, Thanks for that. Could you tell where the property is. I understand it's near/off McGrath's road, but I'm not too sure exactly where. Regards Paula. -----Original Message----- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 13:21:37 +1100 From: Daryl K Povey <povey.daryl.k@sebas.vic.edu.au> Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] "Somerton", Strathdownie To: aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070104132015.01badd68@sebas.vic.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hello Paula I lived on the property in the 1960s when my father worked there as a stockman. At that time it was still run by the MOLES family. Regards Daryl Povey At 04:50 PM 1/01/2007, you wrote: >Does anyone know of the property named "Somerton", somewhere near >Strathdownie? I have a James Thomas Sutton who owned it from sometime >before 1890 till 1894. > >Would love any information about the place. > >Regards, >Paula.

Hi Dianne Now that is surprising! Seems I might have to do some more investigating!! In all I have some 300 or more Death Certificates and not one says how the person died only why. I must admit I've only one criminal in the lot on a distant branch of the tree and he died whilst in prison but not from hanging. He died of chronic Cirrhosis of the Liver, Heart Failure and sever haemorrhaging of the brain all caused by a lifelong habit of serious substance abuse but there is no mention of substance abuse on the Death Cert only the string of medical diseases and health problems that actually caused his demise. Likewise none of the others say how either but go to considerable length in stating why. I kind of draw the conclusion from what you have said and from what I have discovered that perhaps some Doctors did in fact state the 'Why' on the Death Cert. but it was perhaps not a regular practice. Interesting - lets hope Julie can manage the Death Cert for her enquiry and hopefully she will publish the results. Regards Ron Phillips Melbourne Victoria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dianne Hughes" <bill.di@bigpond.net.au> To: <aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 1:39 PM Subject: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] Death by Hanging > The death certificate sometimes states the cause of death was "Judicial > execution" and an inquest would be held immediately and usually the > coroner gives the cause of death as either by hanging or judicial > execution. With the way the wording is on the cause of death nothing is > left to the imagination. I've looked at a few hanging for Geelong and > they usually make it very clear how the person died. > Dianne Hughes > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Beryl, Thanks for passing my message on. I've received some very helpful information, and am pleased to find that the property still exists. Regards Paula. -----Original Message----- Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 17:16:07 +1100 From: "Beryl O'Gorman" <beryl@wordweavers.net> Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] "Somerton", Strathdownie To: <aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <034101c72d6c$53682300$6501a8c0@workstation0> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Paula I've passed your question on to a friend who grew up in Strathdownie. She may have some info for you. Cheers Beryl Beryl O'Gorman Greensborough Victoria Australia List Admin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paula Sutton" <paulasutton@optusnet.com.au> To: <aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] "Somerton", Strathdownie > Does anyone know of the property named "Somerton", somewhere near > Strathdownie? I have a James Thomas Sutton who owned it from sometime > before 1890 till 1894. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 20:42:52 +1100 From: "Ron Philllips" <ronphillips@netspace.net.au> Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] Fw: Gaol To: <aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <007f01c72e52$5fa91160$6501a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Julie I doubt it would have been actually stated as "Death by hanging" on the death certificate. I would imagine the cause of death would show as perhaps "death by asphyxiation" or death by the medical equivalent for a broken neck or some such medical description of the injury sustained from the actual hanging. Funny enough you don't actually die by hanging. Death comes as a consequence of the injuries caused by the way in which the hanging affects the human body - primarily a broken neck and severed spinal cord - well hopefully that is. If the rope is not properly positioned the neck doesn't break and then death is by asphyxiation and that is not a nice way to go! Only the Court and Prison Records would record the event itself ie the actual hanging. Lovely subjects we Genies get involved in! Regards Ron Phillips Melbourne Victoria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie M Hopper" <juliemhopper@hotkey.net.au> To: <aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] Fw: Gaol > Thanks Ron, > I just wondered if a prisoner who had been sentenced to death by hanging > would have had that fact only recorded somewhere other than in the BDM > register - perhaps in a separate police file. If not, as you suggest, then > (in the case I was interested in) a recording of 'East Melbourne Gaol' as > the place of the person's death could have meant death by hanging, or > death > by natural causes. > Julie. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-vic-western-district-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-vic-western-district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ron > Philllips > Sent: Monday, 1 January 2007 3:05 PM > To: aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] Fw: Gaol > > Hi Julie > No I would not assume that at all. All deaths are recorded notwithstanding > the cause of death. > > Regards > Ron Phillips > Melbourne Victoria > SNIP > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 00:10:16 +1100 From: "Julie M Hopper" <juliemhopper@hotkey.net.au> Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] Fw: Gaol To: <aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <20070102131038.28877171A4@stiletto.hotkey.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello again Ron, Yes it is a bit grisly, isn't it? I'm thinking seriously of sending for the certificate in question just to satisfy my (perhaps morbid) curiosity as to what the actual wording is. I don't know with this relative what the circumstances were, so I guess that this would be the only way to find out. Needless to say, the person was never discussed in the family, and I found him purely by chance when looking through Digger for something else altogether. Of course in 1900 hanging offences were quite numerous, but even so his death may have been from natural causes. I take your point that strictly speaking one doesn't actually die by hanging, but since it is the hanging which causes the broken spinal cord, asphyxiation, etc. then shouldn't it say so on the certificate? I don't know - perhaps there are privacy issues or something of the sort here for the immediate family, so maybe that's why the actual event, the 'real' cause of the person's death, is likely to be noted only in the Court or Prison records. Presumably these records would have restricted access, if any at all. On a more cheerful note, may I wish you a happy New Year and lots of good breakthroughs in your research in 2007. Regards and all the best for now, Julie. -----Original Message----- From: aus-vic-western-district-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-western-district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ron Philllips Sent: Tuesday, 2 January 2007 8:43 PM To: aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] Fw: Gaol SNIP ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 01:46:38 -0500 From: jnnyb@aol.com Subject: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] Lawrence LAMBERT & Mary BISHOP - Nurrabeil To: aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8C8FD1A0DC7684E-77C-3E94@mblk-d36.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Folks, Does anyone own Lawrence Lambert (cir 1832-1897) son of Robert LAMBERT & Amelia OAKUM. Lawrence is buried with his wife Mary (nee Bishop) at Nurrabeil. If anyone is researching this family I'd really like to know more details about the father Robert LAMBERT and what children are stated on his death cert. I'm also interested in the states Robert lived in. Jenny ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 21:46:05 +1100 From: "Ron Philllips" <ronphillips@netspace.net.au> Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] Fw: Gaol To: <aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <004401c72f24$5f1eca50$6501a8c0@home> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Julie You may be right about the Death Certificate but I really do not think so. The Death Certificate is made out by a Doctor and notwithstanding that he is attending a hanging he would only enter the cause of death in medical terms as he is required to do under the Law. No Doctor anywhere that I know of has ever put down the event leading to the demise of the person only the actual reason WHY life finished. For example you don't see "Killed in Car Crash" as a cause of death - what you get "Died of massive internal haemorrhaging" or "Skull Fracture". Similarly you don't see "Died of Smoking" You get "Carcinoma of the Lung/Bowel" etc. Guess we will have to get the Certificate to see which of us is right! Regards Ron Phillips Melbourne Victoria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie M Hopper" <juliemhopper@hotkey.net.au> To: <aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] Fw: Gaol > Hello again Ron, > Yes it is a bit grisly, isn't it? I'm thinking seriously of sending for > the > certificate in question just to satisfy my (perhaps morbid) curiosity as > to > what the actual wording is. I don't know with this relative what the > circumstances were, so I guess that this would be the only way to find > out. > Needless to say, the person was never discussed in the family, and I found > him purely by chance when looking through Digger for something else > altogether. Of course in 1900 hanging offences were quite numerous, but > even > so his death may have been from natural causes. > > I take your point that strictly speaking one doesn't actually die by > hanging, but since it is the hanging which causes the broken spinal cord, > asphyxiation, etc. then shouldn't it say so on the certificate? I don't > know > - perhaps there are privacy issues or something of the sort here for the > immediate family, so maybe that's why the actual event, the 'real' cause > of > the person's death, is likely to be noted only in the Court or Prison > records. Presumably these records would have restricted access, if any at > all. > > On a more cheerful note, may I wish you a happy New Year and lots of good > breakthroughs in your research in 2007. > > Regards and all the best for now, > Julie. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-vic-western-district-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-vic-western-district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ron > Philllips > Sent: Tuesday, 2 January 2007 8:43 PM > To: aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] Fw: Gaol > SNIP > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 21:35:30 +1000 From: "Debbie Godbold" <canpeg@in.com.au> Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] Fw: Gaol To: <aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001e01c72f2b$46362040$2e01a8c0@Debbie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes, please ! I am intrigued with this discussion :-) Cheers Debbie - listening to the beautiful, much needed, and appreciated RAIN on the roof ! Supposedly here for a week ! :-) Hope you also get some Victoria ! -----Original Message----- From: aus-vic-western-district-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-western-district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ron Philllips Sent: Wednesday, 3 January 2007 8:46 PM To: aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] Fw: Gaol Hi Julie <snipped> Guess we will have to get the Certificate to see which of us is right! Regards Ron Phillips Melbourne Victoria ------------------------------ To contact the AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT list administrator, send an email to AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT-admin@rootsweb.com. 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The death certificate sometimes states the cause of death was "Judicial execution" and an inquest would be held immediately and usually the coroner gives the cause of death as either by hanging or judicial execution. With the way the wording is on the cause of death nothing is left to the imagination. I've looked at a few hanging for Geelong and they usually make it very clear how the person died. Dianne Hughes

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Part of the old Geelong Gaol operated as a hospital for the sick, homeless and destitute at one time. It may be that the old Melbourne Gaol functioned in a similar way, and had a hospital or hospice style section. Jane Parnell Family wrote: > Hi Julie, and Ron, > > I have come into this conversation a little late, but thought you may be > interested. I have an ancestor who died in the same gaol; he died of > dysentry. > > >From memory, I think you will find if the person you are looking at was a > prisoner there will be an inquest; and the PROV has listings of prisoners, > with descriptions. Unfortunately, mine wasn't a prisoner, so no description! > > As he was a farmer, he may have been making deliveries to the > goal when he became too ill to travel back home; his son was the informant > on the death certificate, and not the prison authorities. > > Looking forward to hearing about your certificate > > Cheers > Tricia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Julie, and Ron, I have come into this conversation a little late, but thought you may be interested. I have an ancestor who died in the same gaol; he died of dysentry. >From memory, I think you will find if the person you are looking at was a prisoner there will be an inquest; and the PROV has listings of prisoners, with descriptions. Unfortunately, mine wasn't a prisoner, so no description! As he was a farmer, he may have been making deliveries to the goal when he became too ill to travel back home; his son was the informant on the death certificate, and not the prison authorities. Looking forward to hearing about your certificate Cheers Tricia

Hi Julie You may be right about the Death Certificate but I really do not think so. The Death Certificate is made out by a Doctor and notwithstanding that he is attending a hanging he would only enter the cause of death in medical terms as he is required to do under the Law. No Doctor anywhere that I know of has ever put down the event leading to the demise of the person only the actual reason WHY life finished. For example you don't see "Killed in Car Crash" as a cause of death - what you get "Died of massive internal haemorrhaging" or "Skull Fracture". Similarly you don't see "Died of Smoking" You get "Carcinoma of the Lung/Bowel" etc. Guess we will have to get the Certificate to see which of us is right! Regards Ron Phillips Melbourne Victoria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie M Hopper" <juliemhopper@hotkey.net.au> To: <aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] Fw: Gaol > Hello again Ron, > Yes it is a bit grisly, isn't it? I'm thinking seriously of sending for > the > certificate in question just to satisfy my (perhaps morbid) curiosity as > to > what the actual wording is. I don't know with this relative what the > circumstances were, so I guess that this would be the only way to find > out. > Needless to say, the person was never discussed in the family, and I found > him purely by chance when looking through Digger for something else > altogether. Of course in 1900 hanging offences were quite numerous, but > even > so his death may have been from natural causes. > > I take your point that strictly speaking one doesn't actually die by > hanging, but since it is the hanging which causes the broken spinal cord, > asphyxiation, etc. then shouldn't it say so on the certificate? I don't > know > - perhaps there are privacy issues or something of the sort here for the > immediate family, so maybe that's why the actual event, the 'real' cause > of > the person's death, is likely to be noted only in the Court or Prison > records. Presumably these records would have restricted access, if any at > all. > > On a more cheerful note, may I wish you a happy New Year and lots of good > breakthroughs in your research in 2007. > > Regards and all the best for now, > Julie. > > -----Original Message----- > From: aus-vic-western-district-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:aus-vic-western-district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ron > Philllips > Sent: Tuesday, 2 January 2007 8:43 PM > To: aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] Fw: Gaol > SNIP > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, please ! I am intrigued with this discussion :-) Cheers Debbie - listening to the beautiful, much needed, and appreciated RAIN on the roof ! Supposedly here for a week ! :-) Hope you also get some Victoria ! -----Original Message----- From: aus-vic-western-district-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-western-district-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ron Philllips Sent: Wednesday, 3 January 2007 8:46 PM To: aus-vic-western-district@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AUS-VIC-WESTERN-DISTRICT] Fw: Gaol Hi Julie <snipped> Guess we will have to get the Certificate to see which of us is right! Regards Ron Phillips Melbourne Victoria