Hello Caroline, It looks as if you have a bit of a mystery on your hands already! Here is John's birth. There is a sister Ellen born which is likely to have been while parents George and Ellen were unmarried as there are 2 equivalent birth entries, one under KING and one under QUINN. KING, John CB 1112013 Birth Father: George Mother: Quinn Ellen Event Place: Bena Reg Year: 1875 Reg State: Victoria Ref Number: 7248 KING, Ellen CB 1110381 Birth Father: George Mother: Quinn Ellen Event Place: B'Alla Reg Year: 1874 Reg State: Victoria Ref Number: 747R QUINN, Ellen CB 1699425 Birth Father: Unknown Mother: Quinn Ellen Event Place: Benalla Reg Year: 1874 Reg State: Victoria Ref Number: 747 Now, the only marriage for a George KING to an Ellen (any surname) that I can find is as below which would fit in with the idea that the birth of their first child might have slightly preceded their marriage. However, we have Ellen as a KELLY - so the next question is, might Ellen have been a widow when she married George. If so, one would expect (or hope!) to find a KELLY/Ellen QUINN combination...see below. KING, George CM 526047 Marriage Spouse: KELLY, Ellen Marriage Place: Antrim **this is the place of birth of one of the parties Reg Year: 1874 Reg State: Victoria Ref Number: 940 KELLY, Catherine CB 1081582 Birth Father: John Mother: Quinn Ellen Event Place: Beve Reg Year: 1863 Reg State: Victoria Ref Number: 14908 KELLY, Ellen CB 1082461 Birth Father: John Mother: Quin Ellen Event Place: Bena Reg Year: 1870 Reg State: Victoria Ref Number: 13907 KELLY, Grace CB 1083038 Birth Father: John Mother: Quin Ellen Event Place: Aven Reg Year: 1865 Reg State: Victoria Ref Number: 19822 KELLY, Mary Jane EB 1085379 Christening Sex: Female Father: John Mother: Quinn Ellen Event Place: Kilmore Reg Year: 1851 Reg State: Victoria Ref Number: 35053 Parish: Kilmore, RC There are 2 Ref. Numbers for John and Ellen's marriage... KELLY, John EM 512366 Marriage Spouse: QUINN, Ellen Reg Year: 1850 Reg State: Victoria Ref Number: 985 Parish: St Francis, RC KELLY, John EM 512367 Marriage Spouse: QUINN, Ellen Reg Year: 1850 Reg State: Victoria Ref Number: 40951 Parish: St Francis, RC There is also this death of a son whose birth/christening record I can't locate. KELLY, Daniel CD 468837 Death Father: John Mother: Quinn Ellen Age at Death: 19 Birthplace: U Reg Year: 1880 Reg State: Victoria Ref Number: 4380 I can't locate the death of a George KING to 1888 there being too many of them to see who is who. Nor is there the death of an Ellen KING nee QUINN to that year. The above is a 'best guess' of the scenario, however with names such as KING/QUINN & KELLY it is probably best to confirm the above via Certificates. For example, you could go for Ellen KELLY's marriage to George KING as this will give both sets of parents' names to see if Ellen KELLY was a QUINN. Or perhaps John's Birth Certificate as this should list all older siblings - however, I have known when it was a second marriage that the children from the first marriage weren't listed. Or Ellen's Death Certificate which should list all children. Hope that this helps and if there is anything that you would like me to look for, the entries are from the Australian Vital Records Index which is to 1888 in Vic & NSW, to 1899 in Tas and to 1905 in WA. Regards, Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary D Jackson" <jackos2@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 10:44 AM Subject: [AVNE] I need help > Hi my name is Caroline Jackson and I am doing some research for a friend. > We are looking for any information on John King born 1875, Parents names > were Ellen and George married in 1874. I am lead to believe that most of > the King family lived in Jamieson but may have links in Mansfield. Any help > would be greatly appreciated. This is my first time to research family > history I need all the help I can get. Thankyou all very much. > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release Date: 1/2/02