Wow, what an investigation you will need to launch! A. Did she die by spearing. Have you checked the O and M, the Constitution, the Albury/Belvoir papers etc? No such death onCd's and from memory nothing on the INquests. No, nothing just checked under Glover and Thornton B. Were they married in the first place? C. Who was the child in arms? There is no child born to a Jane Thornton pre1864 on the Cd's. I still think she was speared, because unless there was a cover up story for friends family and Mary Jane, why would it be reported in her Obit as spearing. If the Jane Thornton was indeed carrying a child who was in fact Mary Jane, how did she end up back in Wooragee and where did Jane go? Oh, what a one to uncover. Newspapers and you seem to be well into them. Thanks for keeping me abreast - I keep adding the bits to the Wooragee story. I am really considering putting the story onto CD as it is over 90 pages now and the cost of production would be awful. With the way Di has set out Omeo Cd , mine would come up a treat if done the same way. I have some rather long stories of some of the families, and only a small number without anything at all. Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hollingshead" <hollies@melbpc.org.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 7:30 AM Subject: [AVNE] Jane Thornton > > Denise, > > I also found this, maybe Charles was not a widower - but Jane Glover is not > an uncommon name !!! > > 31 Dec 1856 ARGUS > > "Jane Thornton: a woman who looked as if she had once been a respectable and > who carried a child in her arms was charged with vagrancy. She was found > lying in a case in a state of great apparent destitution. She said that she > had lately come from Castlemaine and was footsore and miserable. The bench > promised to give her a letter to the Immigrant's Home Committee." > > The Victorian Historical Magazine" Vol 16 Page 7 > "In November 1854 ("The Immigrant's Aid Society') obtained possession of > disused government buildings on the Canvas Town site......settled down the > care of the sick and destitute in this latest established immigrant's Home > The next two or three years saw a rapid transition to the status of a > regular poor-house. In 1856 the home was appropriated when not occupied by > new arrivals to the reception of convalescent patients from the hospitals, > destitute woman and children with children and other houseless persons' > .............. By 1861 they had been 'compelled to relax the stringent of > their rule not to assist persons who have resided in the colony for a period > of two years." > > Anne > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denise McMahon" <helendmc@powerup.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, 5 April 2002 6:08 > Subject: Re: [AVNE] Obituary of MRS. M. A. TINNING > > > > Anne - what do you think of the spearing report now. Closer to the truth > > than previously? > > > > Denise > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Anne Hollingshead" <hollies@melbpc.org.au> > > To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 1:27 PM > > Subject: [AVNE] Obituary of MRS. M. A. TINNING > > > > > > > I thought there may be some general interest in this > > > > > > MRS. M. A. TINNING > > > An interesting link with old Tarrawingee was broken on Thursday last by > > the > > > death of Mrs. Mary Jane Tinning, of "Dugval" Prince Alfred avenue, Mc > > > Kinnon, Melboume. Mrs. Tinning had attained the great age of 91 and > > because > > > she retained a splendid memory for people and events spread over nearly, > a > > > century, she was always intensely interesting. Her life had covered the > > > hectic gold rush days, with their accompaniment of bushranging, coach > > > stick-ups, and the dangers early Victorian settlers had to constantly > from > > > the aborigines. > > > The late Mrs. Tinning was born on board an incoming sailing vessel in > Port > > > Phillip Bay nearly a century ago .Her name was Thornton, and some time > > after > > > reaching Melbourne she went with her parents to live at Wooragee. It was > > > there that her mother was subsequently fatally speared by the blacks. > > > In the year of 1868 Miss Thornton was married to James Tinning, who was > > the > > > resident at 'Wahgunyah, where he was an overseer, for-Graham Bros' big > > > vineyard there. The wedding was celebrated at Beechworth, the minister > > being > > > the Rev W. L. Howard. Mrs. Tinning was then 20 years old. Mr and Mrs > > Tinning > > > then went to live at Tarrawingee, where Mr. Tinning bought the stone > flour > > > mills (which been built by Wm. Shields) from Graham and Wilson. That was > > > nearly 70 years ago. Tarrawingee was then a very important hamlet, with > > its > > > wheat farms and it was also a stopping place for coaches and wagons on > > their > > > way up to the gold rushes at Beechworth and Moss Creek (Wandiligong) > and > > > Buckland. It. was at Tarrawingee that the four sons comprising the > family > > > were born Messrs. Charlie Tinning (Fitzroy), William and Irving > (deceased) > > > and Mr James Tinning (Mc Kinnon), with whom Mrs Tinning has lived for > many > > > years. > > > While living at Tarrawingee Mr. and .Mrs donated a baptismal font to the > > > Church of England there, the first to be christened with it being Mr > James > > > Tinning and Mrs Miniford (then Miss Jean Mc Gregor) whose father > William > > W > > > Mc Gregor conducted the smithy in the old Tarrawingee. Rev Mr Poole was > > the > > > minister. > > > Mr James Tinning was connected with the early Masonic Lodge in > Wangaratta, > > > and at the time; of his death in 1880,was the Junior warden of the > lodge. > > > The lodge accorded him, a Masonic funeral. He died at Whitty's horse and > > > Jockey Hotel, and his grave may still be seen in, the Wangaratta > cemetery. > > > The grave next to his is that of Mr George Faithfull the original > pastoral > > > settler of Wangaratta, and 'nearby in cells for ever laid,' so many of > the > > > 'forefathers of the hamlet sleep'. > > > The old flour mill at Tarrawingee was leased by Messrs. J. Chicken and > > Alex > > > Clements, and was afterwards sold to old John Smith. Later the mill was > > > destroyed by fire. At the opening of this old Tarawingee mill Mrs. > > Shields, > > > wife of the owner climbed the chimney stack and put the finishing brick > on > > > it. Mr. Tinning when at the flourmills, carried off several prizes in > > > Wangaratta for pearl barley and wheat. etc. > > > After the death of her husband Mrs Tinning went to Melbourne where she > > > opened a grocer's shop at Carlton and carried on the business for many > > > years. She had enjoyed splendid health up until the last few years > except > > > for failing eyesight. For the past 14 years, she had lived with her > grand > > > daughter Mrs V. Cochran Mc Kinnon and her son James also living with her > > as > > > well. She was a well-known identity at McKinnon and was universally > > beloved. > > > She loved to meet people whom she had known in the early days and recall > > > some of the stirring incidents of the feverish goldrush days. > > > She was buried in the Brighton cemetery on Friday, in the presence of > > > several old Tarrawingee Identities whose friendship she has cherished > over > > > nearly half a century. > > > 28 July 1939 ( death date) Date of obituary ? Paper unknown may be > > > Wangaratta Chronicle > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Hi Denise, Thanks very much for all your help. I am really sorry that I could not get to the Circus, perhaps next year. I had some time this afternoon and have just started to sort out my mail. I don't like to unsubscribe all the time when we go away but sometimes the amount of mail gets a bit beyond me. My memory is not what it was. To answer some questions. Q. Were they married in the first place? Yes in Liverpool the year that they left for OZ. 1848 A. Marriage Certificate January 23rd at St Thomas Church Liverpool Names Charles Thornton Jane Glover Age Full Full Con Bachelor Spinster Occ Labourer Add Liverpool Liverpool Father George Thornton James Glover His Occ Farmer Farmer Witness John Blackstock Mary Glover It is likely that John Blackstock was a church dignitary. This family had a nearby street named after them. Mary may have been Jane's sister. From ship's records they were both born around 1825 . Q::::::Who was the child in arms? There is no child born to a Jane Thornton pre1864 on the Cd's. You say deserted. You mean Mary Jane deserted by mother who left the father? A:::::::No I meant that either Jane deserted Charles or he deserted her with a child who could have been a second child It could have been Mary Jane but she would have been 6 or 7 a bit unlikely I think. One wonders how (or if) the child, if it was Mary Jane, got to be with her father after that episode. Q. Have you checked the shipping records for Doctors reports - illness, babies, family disputes, problems etc etc I checked Log of Logs (which indexes what records are available for each ship) and could not find any entry for the Manchester. I am still looking into it. Q. I put out a question to you on the list as to whether you had seen the posting the other day fromTitan's Field? It mentioned Charles Thornton being manager for Gemmell and his produce property etc. What I am now confused about is this murder of German Joe. Was Charles working for Gemmell at the same time/not ever/ or at another date? Indigo Murder SATURDAY FEBRUARY 26, 1859 "Charles Thornton, manager for Mr Vivers, Woorajay............. " Vivers was the manager for Dr Gemmel when he went back to Scotland perhaps he had a lease. In 1857, Mr J Lowrie was gazetted as lessee About the advertisements you sent . You said " The smaller ad was in paper in 1855 - stupidly I didn't put the date - it happens to be part of a page I copied, so when I find that I'll let you know the exact date." This one in 1855 seems to be the earliest evidence of Charles in Wooragee. I am not sure which one it was. You said "Interesting to see Magpie Swamp Wooragee--perhaps his own property. This one was in the O and M 18/10/1864" A:::::::::::::"Wanted a SLAUGHTERING butcher. Must be a thoroughly competent man and one accustomed to ride. Apply to Charles Thornton Magpie Swamp, Wooragee" B::::::::::::::::GRAZING PADDOCK A 500 acre PADDOCK at WOORAJAY, which has been improving all this winter IS NOW OPEN for the accommodation of HORSES at 5 PER WEEK apply to Mr THORNTON, at Woorajay Station C::::::::::::::::::::::EUREKA Will stand this season at MAGPIE SWAMP WOORAGEE This horse is of p........... chestnut colour without a spick. Stands over 16 hands high and possesses great bone and muscle. He was bred by Mr McAllister of Albury and got by ETHER out of a favourite mare Miss Slater. Both mare and dam are of the best blood in the colonies. Terms Three guineas each mare , one mare in five given in Any mare served by Eureka this year and not having proven in foal will have his service this year for half price. A large and secure PADDOCK with abundant grass and water. The greatest care taken without responsibility. All mares to be taken away before the 1st January 1855. or five shillings a week will be charged after that date. CHARLES THORNTON In the deposit list for the ship (Manchester) it said that Charles was given 3 months work by R.P. Merv** (couldn't read the last 2 letters) I looked in the 1847 directory to see if that person was listed and found P. Mervin a wholesale dealer and thought that might have been him but I have just found a R.P. Mervan who lived in Lonsdale St so perhaps it was him. I found this in the Unclaimed Letter Office Records Jan - Jun 1852 letter to Charles Thornton, Staughton, River Exe (this is likely to be what is now Staughton Vale on the Werribee River about 50 miles west of Melbourne) Could be him ??? another letter to Charles Thornton - Melbourne Unfortunately the letters no longer exist just these details in a book. I will keep sending what I find so that you can decide if any of it is useful to you. There is so much uncertain. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise McMahon" <helendmc@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2002 11:13 Subject: Re: [AVNE] Jane Thornton > Wow, what an investigation you will need to launch! > > A. Did she die by spearing. Have you checked the O and M, the > Constitution, the Albury/Belvoir papers etc? > > No such death onCd's and from memory nothing on the INquests. No, nothing > just checked under Glover and Thornton > > B. Were they married in the first place? > > C. Who was the child in arms? There is no child born to a Jane Thornton > pre1864 on the Cd's. > > I still think she was speared, because unless there was a cover up story for > friends family and Mary Jane, why would it be reported in her Obit as > spearing. > > If the Jane Thornton was indeed carrying a child who was in fact Mary Jane, > how did she end up back in Wooragee and where did Jane go? > > Oh, what a one to uncover. Newspapers and you seem to be well into them. > > Thanks for keeping me abreast - I keep adding the bits to the Wooragee > story. I am really considering putting the story onto CD as it is over 90 > pages now and the cost of production would be awful. With the way Di has > set out Omeo Cd , mine would come up a treat if done the same way. I have > some rather long stories of some of the families, and only a small number > without anything at all. > > Denise > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne Hollingshead" <hollies@melbpc.org.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 7:30 AM > Subject: [AVNE] Jane Thornton > > > > > > Denise, > > > > I also found this, maybe Charles was not a widower - but Jane Glover is > not > > an uncommon name !!! > > > > 31 Dec 1856 ARGUS > > > > "Jane Thornton: a woman who looked as if she had once been a respectable > and > > who carried a child in her arms was charged with vagrancy. She was found > > lying in a case in a state of great apparent destitution. She said that > she > > had lately come from Castlemaine and was footsore and miserable. The bench > > promised to give her a letter to the Immigrant's Home Committee." > > > > The Victorian Historical Magazine" Vol 16 Page 7 > > "In November 1854 ("The Immigrant's Aid Society') obtained possession of > > disused government buildings on the Canvas Town site......settled down the > > care of the sick and destitute in this latest established immigrant's Home > > The next two or three years saw a rapid transition to the status of a > > regular poor-house. In 1856 the home was appropriated when not occupied by > > new arrivals to the reception of convalescent patients from the hospitals, > > destitute woman and children with children and other houseless persons' > > .............. By 1861 they had been 'compelled to relax the stringent of > > their rule not to assist persons who have resided in the colony for a > period > > of two years." > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Denise McMahon" <helendmc@powerup.com.au> > > To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, 5 April 2002 6:08 > > Subject: Re: [AVNE] Obituary of MRS. M. A. TINNING > > > > > > > Anne - what do you think of the spearing report now. Closer to the > truth > > > than previously? > > > > > > Denise > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Anne Hollingshead" <hollies@melbpc.org.au> > > > To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 1:27 PM > > > Subject: [AVNE] Obituary of MRS. M. A. TINNING > > > > > > > > > > I thought there may be some general interest in this > > > > > > > > MRS. M. A. TINNING > > > > An interesting link with old Tarrawingee was broken on Thursday last > by > > > the > > > > death of Mrs. Mary Jane Tinning, of "Dugval" Prince Alfred avenue, Mc > > > > Kinnon, Melboume. Mrs. Tinning had attained the great age of 91 and > > > because > > > > she retained a splendid memory for people and events spread over > nearly, > > a > > > > century, she was always intensely interesting. Her life had covered > the > > > > hectic gold rush days, with their accompaniment of bushranging, coach > > > > stick-ups, and the dangers early Victorian settlers had to constantly > > from > > > > the aborigines. > > > > The late Mrs. Tinning was born on board an incoming sailing vessel in > > Port > > > > Phillip Bay nearly a century ago .Her name was Thornton, and some time > > > after > > > > reaching Melbourne she went with her parents to live at Wooragee. It > was > > > > there that her mother was subsequently fatally speared by the blacks. > > > > In the year of 1868 Miss Thornton was married to James Tinning, who > was > > > the > > > > resident at 'Wahgunyah, where he was an overseer, for-Graham Bros' big > > > > vineyard there. The wedding was celebrated at Beechworth, the minister > > > being > > > > the Rev W. L. Howard. Mrs. Tinning was then 20 years old. Mr and Mrs > > > Tinning > > > > then went to live at Tarrawingee, where Mr. Tinning bought the stone > > flour > > > > mills (which been built by Wm. Shields) from Graham and Wilson. That > was > > > > nearly 70 years ago. Tarrawingee was then a very important hamlet, > with > > > its > > > > wheat farms and it was also a stopping place for coaches and wagons on > > > their > > > > way up to the gold rushes at Beechworth and Moss Creek (Wandiligong) > > and > > > > Buckland. It. was at Tarrawingee that the four sons comprising the > > family > > > > were born Messrs. Charlie Tinning (Fitzroy), William and Irving > > (deceased) > > > > and Mr James Tinning (Mc Kinnon), with whom Mrs Tinning has lived for > > many > > > > years. > > > > While living at Tarrawingee Mr. and .Mrs donated a baptismal font to > the > > > > Church of England there, the first to be christened with it being Mr > > James > > > > Tinning and Mrs Miniford (then Miss Jean Mc Gregor) whose father > > William > > > W > > > > Mc Gregor conducted the smithy in the old Tarrawingee. Rev Mr Poole > was > > > the > > > > minister. > > > > Mr James Tinning was connected with the early Masonic Lodge in > > Wangaratta, > > > > and at the time; of his death in 1880,was the Junior warden of the > > lodge. > > > > The lodge accorded him, a Masonic funeral. He died at Whitty's horse > and > > > > Jockey Hotel, and his grave may still be seen in, the Wangaratta > > cemetery. > > > > The grave next to his is that of Mr George Faithfull the original > > pastoral > > > > settler of Wangaratta, and 'nearby in cells for ever laid,' so many of > > the > > > > 'forefathers of the hamlet sleep'. > > > > The old flour mill at Tarrawingee was leased by Messrs. J. Chicken and > > > Alex > > > > Clements, and was afterwards sold to old John Smith. Later the mill > was > > > > destroyed by fire. At the opening of this old Tarawingee mill Mrs. > > > Shields, > > > > wife of the owner climbed the chimney stack and put the finishing > brick > > on > > > > it. Mr. Tinning when at the flourmills, carried off several prizes in > > > > Wangaratta for pearl barley and wheat. etc. > > > > After the death of her husband Mrs Tinning went to Melbourne where she > > > > opened a grocer's shop at Carlton and carried on the business for many > > > > years. She had enjoyed splendid health up until the last few years > > except > > > > for failing eyesight. For the past 14 years, she had lived with her > > grand > > > > daughter Mrs V. Cochran Mc Kinnon and her son James also living with > her > > > as > > > > well. She was a well-known identity at McKinnon and was universally > > > beloved. > > > > She loved to meet people whom she had known in the early days and > recall > > > > some of the stirring incidents of the feverish goldrush days. > > > > She was buried in the Brighton cemetery on Friday, in the presence of > > > > several old Tarrawingee Identities whose friendship she has cherished > > over > > > > nearly half a century. > > > > 28 July 1939 ( death date) Date of obituary ? Paper unknown may be > > > > Wangaratta Chronicle > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >