Hi Denise, The plot thickens Q. Did she die by spearing. ? A. This seems highly unlikely. I have contacted three experts in aboriginal/white contacts at this time and they feel it would have been acknowledged in the history of the time. It would have been so unusual for a woman to have been killed at this time. Q. Have you checked the O and M, the Constitution, the Albury/Belvoir papers etc? A. No papers surviving from this period 1852/53 > > No such death onCd's and from memory nothing on the INquests. No, nothing > just checked under Glover and Thornton A. No I checked NSW too > Q. Were they married in the first place? A. Yes Marriage Certificate January 23rd 1848 at St Thomas Church Liverpool Names Charles Thornton Jane Glover Age Full Full Con Bachelor Spinster Occ Labourer Add Liverpool Liverpool Father George Thornton James Glover His Occ Farmer Farmer Witness John Blackstock Mary Glover Q.. Who was the child in arms? There is no child born to a Jane Thornton > pre1864 on the Cd's. > If the Jane Thornton was indeed carrying a child who was in fact Mary Jane, > how did she end up back in Wooragee and where did Jane go? A. It may have been a second child and not baptised/registered > I still think she was speared, because unless there was a cover up story for > friends family and Mary Jane, why would it be reported in her Obit as > spearing. A. I thought she may have died in child birth and this was the explanation given to her at the time and it was never corrected. Now I think the same reason but she may have been deserted.Another thing about the facts in the obituary The Manchester left London on 14.9.1848 and arrived in Melbourne on 13.1.1849 . She was born 18 Apr 1849 Melbourne, VIC., AUS. and christened 9 Apr 1849 St James, Melbourne, VIC., AUS. So she was not born on the ship which is what she had always said. Also:- I think Charles worked in Melbourne on arriving In the deposit list for the ship it said that Charles was given 3 months work by R.P. Merv** (couldn't read the last 2 letters) I looked in the 1847 directory to see if that person was listed and found P. Mervin a wholesale dealer and thought that might have been him but I have just found a R.P. Mervan who lived in Lonsdale St so perhaps it was him. Maybe he didn't get to Wooragee until 1855/56 I found this in the Unclaimed Letter Office Records Jan - Jun 1852 letter to Charles Thornton, Staughton, River Exe (this is likely to be Staughton Vale on the Werribee River about 50 miles west of Melbourne) Could be him ??? Another in the same period to to Charles Thornton Melbourne. Could be to him at a previous address Unfortunately the letters no longer exist just the details in a book. His second marriage to Emma Jane Withey was at St Paul's Cathedral, Melbourne,25 January 1855 both residents of Benalla She was said to be a spinster but was actually a widow if her first husband had really drowned. She had 2 children Elizabeth and George. George seems to have been with them in Beechworth at the time of the land claim. Also first child Edwin was born in Benalla in 1855 Do not have a date for this He seems to have been in Beechworth by 1856 from newspaper reports. (Did you have one from 1855 ?) The rest of the children born in Wooragee (Catherine 1858 - apparently the later ones are also likely to have been born in Wooragee and not Beechworth because they started listing the registration place not the birth place. Well how about all this. Sounds more like a novel than genealogy. Anne

Well Anne, I'm going to get a wine and study this. After one wine Imay have an answer - he he. This is huge. Bigger than Ben H. Finding this extremely intriguing, so I'm off for the wine. D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hollingshead" <hollies@melbpc.org.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [AVNE] Jane Thornton > Hi Denise, > > The plot thickens > > Q. Did she die by spearing. ? > > A. This seems highly unlikely. I have contacted three experts in > aboriginal/white contacts at this time and they feel it would have been > acknowledged in the history of the time. It would have been so unusual for a > woman to have been killed at this time. > > Q. Have you checked the O and M, the Constitution, the Albury/Belvoir > papers etc? > > A. No papers surviving from this period 1852/53 > > > > > No such death onCd's and from memory nothing on the INquests. No, nothing > > just checked under Glover and Thornton > > A. No I checked NSW too > > > > Q. Were they married in the first place? > > A. Yes > > Marriage Certificate > January 23rd 1848 at St Thomas Church Liverpool > Names Charles Thornton Jane Glover > Age Full Full > Con Bachelor Spinster > Occ Labourer > Add Liverpool Liverpool > Father George Thornton James Glover > His Occ Farmer Farmer > Witness John Blackstock Mary Glover > > Q.. Who was the child in arms? There is no child born to a Jane Thornton > > pre1864 on the Cd's. > > If the Jane Thornton was indeed carrying a child who was in fact Mary > Jane, > > how did she end up back in Wooragee and where did Jane go? > > A. It may have been a second child and not baptised/registered > > > I still think she was speared, because unless there was a cover up story > for > > friends family and Mary Jane, why would it be reported in her Obit as > > spearing. > > A. I thought she may have died in child birth and this was the explanation > given to her at the time and it was never corrected. > Now I think the same reason but she may have been deserted.Another thing > about the facts in the obituary > > The Manchester left London on 14.9.1848 and arrived in Melbourne on > 13.1.1849 . > She was born 18 Apr 1849 Melbourne, VIC., AUS. > and christened 9 Apr 1849 St James, Melbourne, VIC., AUS. > So she was not born on the ship which is what she had always said. > > Also:- > > I think Charles worked in Melbourne on arriving > > In the deposit list for the ship it said that Charles was given 3 months > work by R.P. Merv** (couldn't read the last 2 letters) > I looked in the 1847 directory to see if that person was listed and found P. > Mervin a wholesale dealer and thought that might have been him but I have > just found a R.P. Mervan who lived in Lonsdale St so perhaps it was him. > > Maybe he didn't get to Wooragee until 1855/56 > > I found this in the Unclaimed Letter Office Records > Jan - Jun 1852 letter to Charles Thornton, Staughton, River Exe (this is > likely to be Staughton Vale on the Werribee River about 50 miles west of > Melbourne) > Could be him ??? > Another in the same period to to Charles Thornton Melbourne. Could be to him > at a previous address > Unfortunately the letters no longer exist just the details in a book. > > His second marriage to Emma Jane Withey was at St Paul's Cathedral, > Melbourne,25 January 1855 both residents of Benalla > She was said to be a spinster but was actually a widow if her first husband > had really drowned. She had 2 children Elizabeth and George. George seems to > have been with them in Beechworth at the time of the land claim. > Also first child Edwin was born in Benalla in 1855 Do not have a date for > this He seems to have been in > Beechworth by 1856 from newspaper reports. (Did you have one from 1855 ?) > The rest of the children born in > Wooragee (Catherine 1858 - apparently the later ones are also likely to have > been born in Wooragee and not Beechworth because they started listing the > registration place not the birth place. > > Well how about all this. Sounds more like a novel than genealogy. > > Anne > > > >