Hi Denise, That's wonderful, Kaye has sent me some more details, and this certainly is my William, he had a brother James Galt ORR. If you come across the name ORR in your records anywhere, I'd be appreciative of any news you can give me please. I'd say the Mrs. W. ORR snr, who gave the carved oak pulpit might have been Wm's mother, ( the MLA) she left Qld to live in Vic after 1881, and died in Wangaratta in 1908. J. ORR, MP could have been James Galt ORR. Thanks for your great help with this family, I's so happy to be this far with them, and they are g/grand uncles/aunts, direct lines too, not some twig. Best wishes, Jill