Hi Faye, Thanks for your messages. Your William KOCH doesn't seem to be connected. I have Christiane Fredericka KOCH born ca 1810 in Langenau Saxony, daughter of Johann Gottfried KOCH and Christina Sophia MELZGER. She married Johann Carl Gotlobb POTZSCH and had about a dozen children, including my great great grandmother Amelia (aka Emilie Wilhelmine), in Gahlenz and Grosshatsmanndorf. Christiane didn't migrate to Australia and there is some dispute about whether Johann, her husband, came out for a visit. She died on 23 Jun 1859 in Grosshartmannsdorf after falling inot a quarry (suuposedly somwhat inebriated). We don't know of any siblings for her so trying to determine if the other Willam KOCH is ours is proving rather difficult!!! Hope this helps. Regards, Cathy I really need to try and contact a connection who did a lot of work in the past but at this stage he's not contactable via email. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Faye & Kai" <fairdinks@web.de> To: <aus-vic-ne@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [AVNE] KOCH Hi Cathy I must have missed your first post Cathy, or it hasn't come through the list to me yet. I have found out a little bit more about my William (Johann Wilhelm) KOCH since last year. In the book 'From Hamburg to Hobson's Bay' is listed a Johann Wilhelm KOCH arriving aboard the ship 'Dockenhuden' arriving in Melbourne of the 21 April 1849. He is listed as being 22 years old, born in Paderborn, was Roman Catholic and was a Shoemaker by trade. A kind lister looked up the original shipping record for me and sent me the information that on the shipping record is listed a Wilhelm KOCH, 22, Paderburn, Roman Catholic, Shoemaker and a note that his age upon departure from Hamburg was 29. I have not yet seen the original documents for myself. According to my Johann Wilhelm KOCH's marriage certificate, he married Charlotte Pauline RUDOLPH on the 17th August 1850 in the Independent Chapel, Melbourne. Witnesses were George EISERT and Gottlieb KNOBLOCH. On the birth certificate of William and Charlotte's 3rd child, William KOCH, in January 1856 William was the informant and has stated he was 35 years old at the time and was born Paderborn, Westphalia, Prussia (his age would be correct with his age upon departure in Hamburg in the note for his shipping record). He has also signed the register, which matches his signature on his marriage certificate and there is a note in the column that 'John William KOCH is the name of the father.' The information on the birth certificate matches the information from the shipping record so I'm pretty sure that the Johann Wilhelm (or Wilhelm) KOCH that arrived on the Dockenhuden in 1849 is the same as my Johann Wilhelm KOCH. I'm still looking for his naturalisation papers, although I have found a possibility on the NSW state records website. My William Koch is the Johann Wilhelm KOCH who died at Cashel 9th March 1909 and is buried at Devenish Cemetery. His death certificate is for Johann Wilhelm KOCH and his headstone in the cemetery is under the name of William KOCH. Another family member found information nearly 20 years ago now that Johann's parent's names were William and Mary. She is currently trying to find where she found/heard that information. I'm hoping to start tracing the family more in Germany now that I've found out which town Johann came from. I have also had a quick look to see where Grosshatmannsdorf is/was. I have found a Grosshartmannsdorf (Großhartmannsdorf) not far from Dresden, Saxony, Germany. Bit of a distance between Paderborn and Großhartmannsdorf but not an impossibility. Hope this information is helpful Cathy and I would be interested if you have any more information about your Christiane KOCH. Regards Faye -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: aus-vic-ne-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:aus-vic-ne-bounces@rootsweb.com] Im Auftrag von Denise McMahon Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. Januar 2007 10:13 An: aus-vic-ne@rootsweb.com Betreff: Re: [AVNE] KOCH The name Koch rang bells. I have the shipping list for the vessel "Peter Godeffroy" which arrived in Sydney 25th October 1852. The ship has left from Hamburg. Aboard were Wilh. Koch from the town of Schwiegershausen, Hannover, occupation Schafer, and his wife. I have no idea where this Wilh. went to in Australia, many of them were brought out to work in SE Queensland, however quite a number from this ship ended up in northeast Victoria. I am not connected to this family. Regards Denise -- Hello everyone, Last October Faye requested a lookup for the surname KOCH and Peter answered(see below). Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 11:30 PM > Subject: Re: [AVNE] Koch Look-up Please >> Hi Faye, >> Charlotte Pauline died at St James in 1891 (Reg No 18062), aged 68, >> daughter of Rudolph John and Elizabeth GRUHN. >> Johann Wilhelm died at "Cashel" (probably Castlemaine?) in1909 (Reg. >> 903) aged 89, parents unknown. >> There was also a Wilhelm died at Barnawartha in 1912 (Reg 4319) aged >> 71, parents unknown. >> Peter I have a connection to a KOCH, at least family lore says so. Amelia POTZSCH (various spellings) married Ernst Heinrich THIES on 10 Sep 1854 in Melbourne. He died, and in 1859, also in Melbourne, she married John SPRIGGS. They moved to Devenish where they became quite well known. Family lore has it that Willie KOCH (which one?) was Amelia's cousin. Amelia's parents were Johann POTZSCH and Christiane KOCH from Grosshatmannsdorf in Saxony. Does anyone know of the KOCHs in NE Victoria and where they came from?? Best wishes, Cathy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-NE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-NE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message