Dear listers, Peter made a comment in his excellent reply re Bowna that the River Murray is the longest river in Australia. Actually it is number two. The mantle of the longest river goes to the River Darling. It is a common error - and the Murray's flow is greater and more reliable (especially at the moment) but it still remains officially the longest river in Australia. See reference here: http://www.answers.com/Darling%20River Of course the Darling is a long way from Bowna - unlike the Murray! Regards, Shane. Shane L.J. Ryan DipJpnStd BTh MA GCertTESOL Unit 6 Victoria Terrace 1 Goldner Circuit MELBA ACT 2615 AUSTRALIA home telephone: 02 6253 2347 mobile telephone: 0402 085 553 shaneryan@velocitynet.com.au

Good Morning All Listed below are the names of 12 men who were jurors for the inquest of Elizabeth SCOTT who was hanged at Old Melbourne Gaol on 11 November 1863. If any of the names listed below ring any bells for you then please contact me off list. The twelve jurors were: John COCKBILL Walter H. HUGHES John DOLAN or DORAN Robert MILLER Richard H. DAVIES Richard WHITEHEAD Thomas CROFT Percival BUTTERWORTH John CONNELL Ebenezer STEWART John O'NEIL Edward COYLE Cheers Anne Hanson -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/696 - Release Date: 21/02/2007 3:19 PM

Hi Carren, Well, that saves me chasing up the Historical Society! There's no doubt that Bowna could be an aboriginal word or placename... you only have to see other aboriginal names to accept that. "Bowna" could easily have meant "big water", referring to the Murray River which is the longest river in Australia, running from the Snowy Mountains in eastern Australia westwards to the sea in South Australia. It forms the State border between Victoria and New South Wales, and while it is no Mississippi, it is usually fairly wide and much bigger than the Mitta Mitta River. It had a thriving paddlesteamer business in the late 1800s. The other creeks mentioned are not relevant really, and in the current drought are probably dry! In any case, you can discount any connection to the Murrumbidgee River, as it is much too far away. It should also be remembered that, as I've mentioned before, there is no guarantee that even accepting Bowna was an aboriginal word, that it meant anything like what the early settlers and their descendants said it meant! Unfortunately, the native languages of this area have been allowed to die out, indeed they were actively helped to die out. Thus there has been some "creative guesswork" in the translation of some aboriginal place names. However, from the enclosure sent by Helen Livesy it seems that the settlement and naming of Bowna was established at least in the 1860s. Doesn't that pre-date Mr Bonat's supposed time here? I'm beginning to have my doubts about Mr Bonat's presence here at all! It may be worth contacting the Catholic Church in Albury (St Patrick's, 515 Smollett St, Albury NSW 2640), and/or the Presbyterian Church at 402 Wagga Road, Albury NSW 2640. I think a direct written approach from you may be more productive in locating the old Bowna records, if there are any... Cheers, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carren Kaston" <ckaston@starpower.net> To: <aus-vic-ne@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 10:01 PM Subject: [AVNE] Mr. Bonat - Bowna Division > 2/21/07 > Hi Peter, > > I received a letter yesterday from the Albury and District Historical > Society, along with some information about Bowna, which was evidently > settled in the 1830s. The woman writing the letter, Helen Livsey, Hon. > Research Officer, states that, "The origin of the name of Bowna is not > available, but it would be an aboriginal word." I don't know how she > knows that, but of course she's the second person who has made this > association. Above that, she comments that the village of Bowna was > flooded in the 1930s by construction of the Hume Dan on the Murray and > Mitta Mitta Rivers. So perhaps, if "Bowna" does mean "big water," as my > first correspondent thought, it is not, after all, a reference to the > Murumbigee River, but instead to the Murray River or Mitta Mitta River. > Would either of them qualify as "big"? I suppose it would depend on > one's perspective. I also see references to Mullengandra Creek and > Twelve Mile Creek in the materials that Mrs. Livsey sent. Apparently > there were many bodies of water in the area. > > The enclosure she sent about Bowna refers, among other things, to the > establishment of a Catholic church in 1865, a National School in 1865, a > Presbyterian church in 1866, a post office in 1868, and a police station > "at an unknown date" (From H. Jones, 1989). In particular, I would love > to know where the records of that Catholic church and that Presbyterian > church, from the 1880s and the 1890s, have ended up. Do you have any > idea?? > > Many thanks, > Carren (Kaston) > Washington, DC USA > _____________ > > 2/19/07 > Dear Peter, > > Thank you again for your encouraging reply to my Bonat/Bowna inquiry. I > am happy to think there is some sort of connection between the names, if > we can find it. > > The Bowna Army Division has been explained to me in this way: many local > land-holdings (sheep stations, etc.) "raised" soldiers for the Army, > both during WWI and during the Boer War period. Sometimes the men in > these local divisions actually carried the local banner into battle, > other times they were absorbed into the Colonial NSW army. Other times, > they became part of the British Army. > > I shall await further word from you. Thanks again so much for your > assistance. > > All best, > Carren (Kaston) > > > aus-vic-ne-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > >>Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: AUS-VIC-NE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 32 (Carren Kaston) >> 2. Re: AUS-VIC-NE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 32 (Peter Ross) >> >>Message: 2 >>Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:33:33 +1100 >>From: "Peter Ross" <rossof@ozemail.com.au> >>Subject: Re: [AVNE] AUS-VIC-NE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 32 >>To: <aus-vic-ne@rootsweb.com> >>Message-ID: <003001c7533f$dce44160$0401a8c0@acerb13d74b0ac> >>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >>Hi Carren, >> >>There is at least 80 or 100 kms between the Murrumbidgee River and the >>Murray River, so I don't think we have an identity crisis at all! The >>Bowna >>area is part of the Murray River system, which was inundated by the Hume >>Reservoir in the 1930s. This is a huge dam, by any world standards, and >>had >>an enormous impact on the Murray Valley when completed. >> >>I'm sure that your country also has the usual ten different versions of >>the >>native names of places? Where I live, the native name of the place is >>Yackandandah, which means (depending on your heritage, or level of >>gullibility!) "two rocks on top of one another", or "hilly country", or >>anything else that the first settlers pretended they understood! >> >>What I'm saying is that "Bowna" could mean "Bonat", but coud equally have >>been an approximation of the reply to a settler's question of a local >>aborigine... "what name this place?". Aborigine replies "Bowna", meaning >>"What the hell are you talking about?". >> >>Personally, I think the "coincidence" is far too strong to ignore, and >>that >>there is a sensible connection between the names "Bonat" and "Bowna", if >>only we can find it. >> >>Has anyone explained the "Bowna (Div) Army" to you in any way? >> >>One thing I've learned from this little exercise is that in fact apart >>from >>knowing the general area & topography, I know almost nothing of its >>history >>and I've grown up within 15 kms of the area. But I'm determined to find >>out! Watch this space. >> >>Peter >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-NE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 12 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

I've hit a slight (?) brick wall, Carren. I can't find any mention of Bonat or Bowna among Australian men involved in the Boer War. Could have been attached to English, Scottish (like my great uncle) or Canadian Regiments, but so far, no joy. I may have to resort to local Historical Societies now. Stay tuned. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: <aus-vic-ne-bounces@rootsweb.com> To: <AUS-VIC-NE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 9:01 PM Subject: [AVNE] Mr. Bonat - Bowna Division > > Dear Peter, > > Thank you again for your encouraging reply to my Bonat/Bowna > inquiry. I am happy to think there is some sort of connection > between the names, if we can find it. > > The Bowna Army Division has been explained to me in this way: many > local land-holdings (sheep stations, etc.) "raised" soldiers for the > Army, both during WWI and during the Boer War period. Sometimes the > men in these local divisions actually carried the local banner into > battle, other times they were absorbed into the Colonial NSW > army. Other times, they became part of the British Army. > > I shall await further word from you. Thanks again so much for your > assistance. > > All best, > Carren (Kaston) > > > <mailto:aus-vic-ne-request@rootsweb.com>aus-vic-ne-request@rootsweb.com > wrote: > > >>Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: AUS-VIC-NE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 32 (Carren Kaston) >> 2. Re: AUS-VIC-NE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 32 (Peter Ross) >> >>Message: 2 >>Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:33:33 +1100 >>From: "Peter Ross" <mailto:rossof@ozemail.com.au><rossof@ozemail.com.au> >>Subject: Re: [AVNE] AUS-VIC-NE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 32 >>To: <mailto:aus-vic-ne@rootsweb.com><aus-vic-ne@rootsweb.com> >>Message-ID: <003001c7533f$dce44160$0401a8c0@acerb13d74b0ac> >>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >>Hi Carren, >> >>There is at least 80 or 100 kms between the Murrumbidgee River and the >>Murray River, so I don't think we have an identity crisis at all! The >>Bowna >>area is part of the Murray River system, which was inundated by the Hume >>Reservoir in the 1930s. This is a huge dam, by any world standards, and >>had >>an enormous impact on the Murray Valley when completed. >> >>I'm sure that your country also has the usual ten different versions of >>the >>native names of places? Where I live, the native name of the place is >>Yackandandah, which means (depending on your heritage, or level of >>gullibility!) "two rocks on top of one another", or "hilly country", or >>anything else that the first settlers pretended they understood! >> >>What I'm saying is that "Bowna" could mean "Bonat", but coud equally have >>been an approximation of the reply to a settler's question of a local >>aborigine... "what name this place?". Aborigine replies "Bowna", meaning >>"What the hell are you talking about?". >> >>Personally, I think the "coincidence" is far too strong to ignore, and >>that >>there is a sensible connection between the names "Bonat" and "Bowna", if >>only we can find it. >> >>Has anyone explained the "Bowna (Div) Army" to you in any way? >> >>One thing I've learned from this little exercise is that in fact apart >>from >>knowing the general area & topography, I know almost nothing of its >>history >>and I've grown up within 15 kms of the area. But I'm determined to find >>out! Watch this space. >> >>Peter > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-NE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 11 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

2/21/07 Thank you very much Peter. Yes, I would very much appreciate your checking English, Scottish and especially Canadian regiments. I have wondered whether any Australians ended up in Canada during the Boer War, or a little before, or a little after. As I've mentioned, Mr. Bonat seems to have married a woman who was originally from Quebec, Marie-Louise LeBel, and who, after immigrating to the US with her family about 1885, continued to go back and forth across the border into Canada. I would still be very interested in knowing where parish records have ended up -- for the Catholic Church or the Presbyterian Church established in Bowna in the 1880s and 1890s. Perhaps there is a diocese to which the Albury District belongs? Thank you again. Best, Carren (Kaston) ------------------------------ >Message: 2 >Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:57:38 +1100 >From: "Peter Ross" <rossof@ozemail.com.au> >Subject: Re: [AVNE] Mr. Bonat - Bowna Division >To: <aus-vic-ne@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <006901c75596$56ffab80$0401a8c0@acerb13d74b0ac> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >I've hit a slight (?) brick wall, Carren. I can't find any mention of Bonat >or Bowna among Australian men involved in the Boer War. Could have been >attached to English, Scottish (like my great uncle) or Canadian Regiments, >but so far, no joy. > >I may have to resort to local Historical Societies now. > >Stay tuned. >Peter > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <aus-vic-ne-bounces@rootsweb.com> >To: <AUS-VIC-NE@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 9:01 PM >Subject: [AVNE] Mr. Bonat - Bowna Division > >>Dear Peter, >> >>Thank you again for your encouraging reply to my Bonat/Bowna >>inquiry. I am happy to think there is some sort of connection >>between the names, if we can find it. >> >>The Bowna Army Division has been explained to me in this way: many >>local land-holdings (sheep stations, etc.) "raised" soldiers for the >>Army, both during WWI and during the Boer War period. Sometimes the >>men in these local divisions actually carried the local banner into >>battle, other times they were absorbed into the Colonial NSW >>army. Other times, they became part of the British Army. >> >>I shall await further word from you. Thanks again so much for your >>assistance. >> >>All best, >>Carren (Kaston) >> >> >> >> <>------------------------------ >> >> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 06:01:22 -0500 >> From: Carren Kaston <ckaston@starpower.net> >> Subject: [AVNE] Mr. Bonat - Bowna Division >> To: aus-vic-ne@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <45DC2682.7010508@starpower.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed >> >> 2/21/07 >> Hi Peter, >> >> I received a letter yesterday from the Albury and District Historical >> Society, along with some information about Bowna, which was evidently >> settled in the 1830s. The woman writing the letter, Helen Livsey, Hon. >> Research Officer, states that, "The origin of the name of Bowna is not >> available, but it would be an aboriginal word." I don't know how she >> knows that, but of course she's the second person who has made this >> association. Above that, she comments that the village of Bowna was >> flooded in the 1930s by construction of the Hume Dan on the Murray and >> Mitta Mitta Rivers. So perhaps, if "Bowna" does mean "big water," as my >> first correspondent thought, it is not, after all, a reference to the >> Murumbigee River, but instead to the Murray River or Mitta Mitta River. >> Would either of them qualify as "big"? I suppose it would depend on >> one's perspective. I also see references to Mullengandra Creek and >> Twelve Mile Creek in the materials that Mrs. Livsey sent. Apparently >> there were many bodies of water in the area. >> >> The enclosure she sent about Bowna refers, among other things, to the >> establishment of a Catholic church in 1865, a National School in 1865, a >> Presbyterian church in 1866, a post office in 1868, and a police station >> "at an unknown date" (From H. Jones, 1989). In particular, I would love >> to know where the records of that Catholic church and that Presbyterian >> church, from the 1880s and the 1890s, have ended up. Do you have any >> idea?? >> >> Many thanks, >> Carren (Kaston) >> Washington, DC USA >

Hi Ivy, This morning I have done a number of searches for Kelly SYMMONDS for Australian WWII records, but can find none. Is it possible that Kelly was a nickname? There were only three SYMMONDS in the records, but many more SYMONDS. I have also searched the Victorian Death Index 1921-1985 and the Wangaratta Cemetery records in case he returned to Victoria, but can find no mention of him. Rosalyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ivy Trott" <ivytrott@telkomsa.net> To: <AUS-VIC-NE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 4:42 AM Subject: [AVNE] PRe-WW11 Jockey > Seeking information on KELLY SYMMONDS who was in the Australian Army and > taken prisoner in North Africa and moved to a prison camp in Italy. He > escaped with friends into Switzerland and was billeted in the northern > Swiss town of Degersheim. > > He had been a jockey in Wangaratta. > > Thank you > Norman Trott in South Africa > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-NE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you to all the kind souls who replied to my appeal. I also had the idea of looking up racing in Australia on Google, and wrote to a Warrangatta racing club. Struck lucky - they knew the family. Kelly was a nickname, but my husband's mate died a few years after his re-patriation. Wish we'd thought to do this years ago.... Go well! Ivy Trott.

Perhaps you could contact the Wangaratta Turf Club? Email: benraces@mcmedia.com Web Site: www.countryracing.com.au regards Dianne Dean

2/21/07 Hi Peter, I received a letter yesterday from the Albury and District Historical Society, along with some information about Bowna, which was evidently settled in the 1830s. The woman writing the letter, Helen Livsey, Hon. Research Officer, states that, "The origin of the name of Bowna is not available, but it would be an aboriginal word." I don't know how she knows that, but of course she's the second person who has made this association. Above that, she comments that the village of Bowna was flooded in the 1930s by construction of the Hume Dan on the Murray and Mitta Mitta Rivers. So perhaps, if "Bowna" does mean "big water," as my first correspondent thought, it is not, after all, a reference to the Murumbigee River, but instead to the Murray River or Mitta Mitta River. Would either of them qualify as "big"? I suppose it would depend on one's perspective. I also see references to Mullengandra Creek and Twelve Mile Creek in the materials that Mrs. Livsey sent. Apparently there were many bodies of water in the area. The enclosure she sent about Bowna refers, among other things, to the establishment of a Catholic church in 1865, a National School in 1865, a Presbyterian church in 1866, a post office in 1868, and a police station "at an unknown date" (From H. Jones, 1989). In particular, I would love to know where the records of that Catholic church and that Presbyterian church, from the 1880s and the 1890s, have ended up. Do you have any idea?? Many thanks, Carren (Kaston) Washington, DC USA _____________ 2/19/07 Dear Peter, Thank you again for your encouraging reply to my Bonat/Bowna inquiry. I am happy to think there is some sort of connection between the names, if we can find it. The Bowna Army Division has been explained to me in this way: many local land-holdings (sheep stations, etc.) "raised" soldiers for the Army, both during WWI and during the Boer War period. Sometimes the men in these local divisions actually carried the local banner into battle, other times they were absorbed into the Colonial NSW army. Other times, they became part of the British Army. I shall await further word from you. Thanks again so much for your assistance. All best, Carren (Kaston) aus-vic-ne-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: AUS-VIC-NE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 32 (Carren Kaston) > 2. Re: AUS-VIC-NE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 32 (Peter Ross) > >Message: 2 >Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:33:33 +1100 >From: "Peter Ross" <rossof@ozemail.com.au> >Subject: Re: [AVNE] AUS-VIC-NE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 32 >To: <aus-vic-ne@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <003001c7533f$dce44160$0401a8c0@acerb13d74b0ac> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >Hi Carren, > >There is at least 80 or 100 kms between the Murrumbidgee River and the >Murray River, so I don't think we have an identity crisis at all! The Bowna >area is part of the Murray River system, which was inundated by the Hume >Reservoir in the 1930s. This is a huge dam, by any world standards, and had >an enormous impact on the Murray Valley when completed. > >I'm sure that your country also has the usual ten different versions of the >native names of places? Where I live, the native name of the place is >Yackandandah, which means (depending on your heritage, or level of >gullibility!) "two rocks on top of one another", or "hilly country", or >anything else that the first settlers pretended they understood! > >What I'm saying is that "Bowna" could mean "Bonat", but coud equally have >been an approximation of the reply to a settler's question of a local >aborigine... "what name this place?". Aborigine replies "Bowna", meaning >"What the hell are you talking about?". > >Personally, I think the "coincidence" is far too strong to ignore, and that >there is a sensible connection between the names "Bonat" and "Bowna", if >only we can find it. > >Has anyone explained the "Bowna (Div) Army" to you in any way? > >One thing I've learned from this little exercise is that in fact apart from >knowing the general area & topography, I know almost nothing of its history >and I've grown up within 15 kms of the area. But I'm determined to find >out! Watch this space. > >Peter >

Seeking information on KELLY SYMMONDS who was in the Australian Army and taken prisoner in North Africa and moved to a prison camp in Italy. He escaped with friends into Switzerland and was billeted in the northern Swiss town of Degersheim. He had been a jockey in Wangaratta. Thank you Norman Trott in South Africa

Hello Norman, I'm afraid I haven't found anything but below are some further avenues of research. The Aus Military rootsweb list: subscription address AUS-MILITARY-L-request@rootsweb.com WWII nominal roll for Australia ( I checked all the men who were born or enlisted at Wangaratta but couldn't see him - perhaps your eyes are better). http://www.ww2roll.gov.au National Archives www.naa.gov.au Wangaratta Chronicle (the local newspaper) - I think this would be your best bet. They have historical articles all the time. 37 Rowan Street Wangaratta 3677 Ph: 03 5723 0100 Fax: 03 5721 9447 Email: phines@nenews.com.au Remember to consider that his surname may have been spelt differently as I didn't come across that spelling at all. Also could Kelly have been a nickname? There is no registered death that looks like his up until 1985 (unless of course his real christian name was something completely different) and he wasn't buried in Wangaratta cemetery up until 1996. Good luck, Jenny -----Original Message----- From: ivytrott@telkomsa.net To: AUS-VIC-NE@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:42 AM Subject: [AVNE] PRe-WW11 Jockey Seeking information on KELLY SYMMONDS who was in the Australian Army and taken prisoner in North Africa and moved to a prison camp in Italy. He escaped with friends into Switzerland and was billeted in the northern Swiss town of Degersheim. He had been a jockey in Wangaratta. Thank you Norman Trott in South Africa ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-NE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

Hi List, is this the address I write to when purchasing my ggGrandfather's book called GORDON & GORDON ? (Charles Goodwin Sylvester Gordon and brother William Joseph Gordon) I run an accommodation property on the Central Coast NSW and everytime I have a guest visiting from Albury/Wodonga I ask if they will pick the book up for me please, but they can never find where it is located, thinking it may be the Family History Soc., I seem to be sending them on a wild goose chase. Regards Colleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy" <wcooksey@tpg.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 12:19 AM Subject: [AVNE] Seminar Early Bird Reminder > Hi Listers > > > > Just a reminder about the early bird special of $5 discount for the > Wodonga > Family History Seminar on Saturday 24th March. The $25 special ends on > 20th > Feb, and places are filling up. > > > > Contact Doreen on 02 60560926 for further information. Or send your > cheque > to reserve a place to: > > > > Wodonga Family History Soc Inc > > PO Box 289 > > Wodonga 3690 > > > > The full details are available on our web site: > > > > www.wodongafamilyhistory.org > <http://www.wodongafamilyhistory.org/> > > > > Wendy Cooksey, > > Hon Secretary, Wodonga Family History Soc Inc > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-NE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers Just a reminder about the early bird special of $5 discount for the Wodonga Family History Seminar on Saturday 24th March. The $25 special ends on 20th Feb, and places are filling up. Contact Doreen on 02 60560926 for further information. Or send your cheque to reserve a place to: Wodonga Family History Soc Inc PO Box 289 Wodonga 3690 The full details are available on our web site: www.wodongafamilyhistory.org <http://www.wodongafamilyhistory.org/> Wendy Cooksey, Hon Secretary, Wodonga Family History Soc Inc

Dear Peter, Thank you again for your encouraging reply to my Bonat/Bowna inquiry. I am happy to think there is some sort of connection between the names, if we can find it. The Bowna Army Division has been explained to me in this way: many local land-holdings (sheep stations, etc.) "raised" soldiers for the Army, both during WWI and during the Boer War period. Sometimes the men in these local divisions actually carried the local banner into battle, other times they were absorbed into the Colonial NSW army. Other times, they became part of the British Army. I shall await further word from you. Thanks again so much for your assistance. All best, Carren (Kaston) <mailto:aus-vic-ne-request@rootsweb.com>aus-vic-ne-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: AUS-VIC-NE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 32 (Carren Kaston) > 2. Re: AUS-VIC-NE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 32 (Peter Ross) > >Message: 2 >Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:33:33 +1100 >From: "Peter Ross" <mailto:rossof@ozemail.com.au><rossof@ozemail.com.au> >Subject: Re: [AVNE] AUS-VIC-NE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 32 >To: <mailto:aus-vic-ne@rootsweb.com><aus-vic-ne@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <003001c7533f$dce44160$0401a8c0@acerb13d74b0ac> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >Hi Carren, > >There is at least 80 or 100 kms between the Murrumbidgee River and the >Murray River, so I don't think we have an identity crisis at all! The Bowna >area is part of the Murray River system, which was inundated by the Hume >Reservoir in the 1930s. This is a huge dam, by any world standards, and had >an enormous impact on the Murray Valley when completed. > >I'm sure that your country also has the usual ten different versions of the >native names of places? Where I live, the native name of the place is >Yackandandah, which means (depending on your heritage, or level of >gullibility!) "two rocks on top of one another", or "hilly country", or >anything else that the first settlers pretended they understood! > >What I'm saying is that "Bowna" could mean "Bonat", but coud equally have >been an approximation of the reply to a settler's question of a local >aborigine... "what name this place?". Aborigine replies "Bowna", meaning >"What the hell are you talking about?". > >Personally, I think the "coincidence" is far too strong to ignore, and that >there is a sensible connection between the names "Bonat" and "Bowna", if >only we can find it. > >Has anyone explained the "Bowna (Div) Army" to you in any way? > >One thing I've learned from this little exercise is that in fact apart from >knowing the general area & topography, I know almost nothing of its history >and I've grown up within 15 kms of the area. But I'm determined to find >out! Watch this space. > >Peter

Hi Carren, There is at least 80 or 100 kms between the Murrumbidgee River and the Murray River, so I don't think we have an identity crisis at all! The Bowna area is part of the Murray River system, which was inundated by the Hume Reservoir in the 1930s. This is a huge dam, by any world standards, and had an enormous impact on the Murray Valley when completed. I'm sure that your country also has the usual ten different versions of the native names of places? Where I live, the native name of the place is Yackandandah, which means (depending on your heritage, or level of gullibility!) "two rocks on top of one another", or "hilly country", or anything else that the first settlers pretended they understood! What I'm saying is that "Bowna" could mean "Bonat", but coud equally have been an approximation of the reply to a settler's question of a local aborigine... "what name this place?". Aborigine replies "Bowna", meaning "What the hell are you talking about?". Personally, I think the "coincidence" is far too strong to ignore, and that there is a sensible connection between the names "Bonat" and "Bowna", if only we can find it. Has anyone explained the "Bowna (Div) Army" to you in any way? One thing I've learned from this little exercise is that in fact apart from knowing the general area & topography, I know almost nothing of its history and I've grown up within 15 kms of the area. But I'm determined to find out! Watch this space. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carren Kaston" <ckaston@starpower.net> To: <aus-vic-ne@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [AVNE] AUS-VIC-NE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 32 > 2/18-07 > Dear Peter, > > I have not had any replies yet. However, one person with whom I have > had email contact off this list told me that he thought the name Bowna > was aboriginal, meaning "big water," a reference to the Murumbigee > River. If that is true, then there is no connection at all, I would > imagine, between Bonat and Bowna, except pure coincidence of sound. > > Thank you very much for inquiring of a long-term resident of Bowna. I > would greatly appreciate knowing if you hear anything. > > Best, > Carren (Kaston) > > > aus-vic-ne-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > >>Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Mr. Bonat from the Bowna (Sub)Division in New South >> Wales, Albury District (Peter Ross) >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Message: 1 >>Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:01:28 +1100 >>From: "Peter Ross" <rossof@ozemail.com.au> >>Subject: Re: [AVNE] Mr. Bonat from the Bowna (Sub)Division in New >> South Wales, Albury District >>To: <aus-vic-ne@rootsweb.com> >>Message-ID: <004801c74fb2$32d6cf20$0401a8c0@acerb13d74b0ac> >>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >>Hi Carren, >> >>Have you had any replies yet ? I've been in touch with a long-term >>resident >>of Bowna who has not heard of Mr Bonat but who is fascinated and is doing >>some serious enquiring. >> >>The connection to Bowna seems entirely logical, assuming the French name >>Bonat was Anglicised to Bowna whilst he was here (IF he was here). >> >>Please let me know if you already have an answer to your query. >> >>Peter Ross >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Carren Kaston" <ckaston@starpower.net> >>To: <AUS-VIC-NE@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 5:24 PM >>Subject: [AVNE] Mr. Bonat from the Bowna (Sub)Division in New South Wales, >>Albury District >> >> >> >> >>>I am a museum researcher in the United States, trying to find someone >>>named Mr. Bonat, who is described in a family diary as "Bowna Div. >>>Army man." We only recently learned that Bowna Div. is or was a place >>>in New South Wales, a land-holding. >>> >>>Mr. Bonat married a woman from Quebec named Marie-Louise LeBel >>>(born 1876), who migrated with her family to Michigan, in the United >>>States, around 1885. We think the marriage took place in the 1890s, >>>or a bit later, but not after 1905, since Mr. Bonat was dead by then. >>> >>>I am very sorry to say that we don't have Mr. Bonat's first name, nor >>>the date or place of his birth, nor the precise date or place of the >>>marriage, nor his place of death. (We do know a fair amount about >>>Marie-Louise LeBel Bonat, who traveled a great deal. By 1905, she was >>>living in Philadelphia and listing herself in the city directory as a >>>"widow," thus giving us an approximate date for Mr. Bonat's death. She >>>lived mostly in the US, with occasional periods in Paris, and died in >>>Middletown, Rhode Island, in 1936.) >>> >>>I have several questions relating to Mr. Bonat that I hope listserv >>>members can help me with. >>> >>>(1) Was the village of Bowna (flooded now, I understand, by >>>construction of a dam), or the Bowna (sub)Division, named for a family >>>whose surname was Bowna? If so, does anyone have information about this >>>family? -- what did they do for a living? where did they came from (if >>>originally from some place other than Australia), and when did they come? >>>Are there any descendants, or is there a way to track them, to see >>>whether >>>one of their ancestors did in fact marry in French-Canadian woman named >>>Marie-Louise LeBel? >>> >>>(2) How can I find out if a man, or a family, named Bonat lived in the >>>Bowna (sub)Division, and get more information about him? The name Bonat >>>is quite unusual, so that even though we don't have his first name, I >>>think he would show up on military or parish lists, census records, etc. >>> >>>Maybe Bowna or Albury parish records -- do those exist anywhere? >>>Or census records for perhaps the 1880s or 1890s -- I would search for >>>both Bonat and Bowna. >>> >>>Note: Before we found out that Bowna is a place name, we thought it >>>might be a misspelling of "Bonat," since both words would be pronounced >>>the same, if Bonat is a French name. It is also possible that >>>Marie-Louise, who was very fond of all things French, "Frenchified" the >>>name Bowna so that it came out Bonat. That's why it might make sense to >>>search for the name Bowna as well. >>> >>>Thank you very much for your assistance. >>> >>>Sincerely, >>>Carren Kaston >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>AUS-VIC-NE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>To contact the AUS-VIC-NE list administrator, send an email to >>AUS-VIC-NE-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >>To post a message to the AUS-VIC-NE mailing list, send an email to >>AUS-VIC-NE@rootsweb.com. >> >>__________________________________________________________ >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>AUS-VIC-NE-request@rootsweb.com >>with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body >>of the >>email with no additional text. >> >> >>End of AUS-VIC-NE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 32 >>***************************************** >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-NE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. 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Hello again Listers, Again my thanks go to Jenny who has submitted more spare death lookups. These are listed below and have been uploaded to the website. If any of these are of interest to you, please go to http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVNE/Spares/spares.html and click on the submitter's name on the right of the entry, which will open your email program. Or go to the above address and see what others have also entered. Tanks again Jenny. Cheers Peter ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Deaths ------ Name - Place of death - Date of death - Age at time of death CLARK, John (supposed) - Wangaratta - 18 Nov 1869 - 40-50 CLARK, William L - Wangaratta - 13 Jun 1863 - c25 COLLIER, Ellen - Eldorado - 21 Jul 1863 - 3y9m FARRELL, Hedi - Hedi/Edi - 26 Apr 1863 - 7mo GALEN, George Devitt (Rev) - Wangaratta - 11 Nov 1869 - 32 LEIGH, Elizabeth Jane - Wangaratta - 9 Mar 1863 - 19mo PURCELL, Timothy - Wangaratta - 8 Oct 1869 - 26 WARBY, Benjamin - Taminick - c16 Nov 1869 - 44 WARDROP, Alexander - Peechelba - 4 Oct 1869 - 31 WILLETT, Walter William - Wangandary - 28 Apr 1863 - 4mo

2/18-07 Dear Peter, I have not had any replies yet. However, one person with whom I have had email contact off this list told me that he thought the name Bowna was aboriginal, meaning "big water," a reference to the Murumbigee River. If that is true, then there is no connection at all, I would imagine, between Bonat and Bowna, except pure coincidence of sound. Thank you very much for inquiring of a long-term resident of Bowna. I would greatly appreciate knowing if you hear anything. Best, Carren (Kaston) aus-vic-ne-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Mr. Bonat from the Bowna (Sub)Division in New South > Wales, Albury District (Peter Ross) > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 08:01:28 +1100 >From: "Peter Ross" <rossof@ozemail.com.au> >Subject: Re: [AVNE] Mr. Bonat from the Bowna (Sub)Division in New > South Wales, Albury District >To: <aus-vic-ne@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <004801c74fb2$32d6cf20$0401a8c0@acerb13d74b0ac> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >Hi Carren, > >Have you had any replies yet ? I've been in touch with a long-term resident >of Bowna who has not heard of Mr Bonat but who is fascinated and is doing >some serious enquiring. > >The connection to Bowna seems entirely logical, assuming the French name >Bonat was Anglicised to Bowna whilst he was here (IF he was here). > >Please let me know if you already have an answer to your query. > >Peter Ross > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Carren Kaston" <ckaston@starpower.net> >To: <AUS-VIC-NE@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 5:24 PM >Subject: [AVNE] Mr. Bonat from the Bowna (Sub)Division in New South Wales, >Albury District > > > > >>I am a museum researcher in the United States, trying to find someone >>named Mr. Bonat, who is described in a family diary as "Bowna Div. >>Army man." We only recently learned that Bowna Div. is or was a place >>in New South Wales, a land-holding. >> >>Mr. Bonat married a woman from Quebec named Marie-Louise LeBel >>(born 1876), who migrated with her family to Michigan, in the United >>States, around 1885. We think the marriage took place in the 1890s, >>or a bit later, but not after 1905, since Mr. Bonat was dead by then. >> >>I am very sorry to say that we don't have Mr. Bonat's first name, nor >>the date or place of his birth, nor the precise date or place of the >>marriage, nor his place of death. (We do know a fair amount about >>Marie-Louise LeBel Bonat, who traveled a great deal. By 1905, she was >>living in Philadelphia and listing herself in the city directory as a >>"widow," thus giving us an approximate date for Mr. Bonat's death. She >>lived mostly in the US, with occasional periods in Paris, and died in >>Middletown, Rhode Island, in 1936.) >> >>I have several questions relating to Mr. Bonat that I hope listserv >>members can help me with. >> >>(1) Was the village of Bowna (flooded now, I understand, by >>construction of a dam), or the Bowna (sub)Division, named for a family >>whose surname was Bowna? If so, does anyone have information about this >>family? -- what did they do for a living? where did they came from (if >>originally from some place other than Australia), and when did they come? >>Are there any descendants, or is there a way to track them, to see whether >>one of their ancestors did in fact marry in French-Canadian woman named >>Marie-Louise LeBel? >> >>(2) How can I find out if a man, or a family, named Bonat lived in the >>Bowna (sub)Division, and get more information about him? The name Bonat >>is quite unusual, so that even though we don't have his first name, I >>think he would show up on military or parish lists, census records, etc. >> >>Maybe Bowna or Albury parish records -- do those exist anywhere? >>Or census records for perhaps the 1880s or 1890s -- I would search for >>both Bonat and Bowna. >> >>Note: Before we found out that Bowna is a place name, we thought it >>might be a misspelling of "Bonat," since both words would be pronounced >>the same, if Bonat is a French name. It is also possible that >>Marie-Louise, who was very fond of all things French, "Frenchified" the >>name Bowna so that it came out Bonat. That's why it might make sense to >>search for the name Bowna as well. >> >>Thank you very much for your assistance. >> >>Sincerely, >>Carren Kaston >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>AUS-VIC-NE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > >------------------------------ > >To contact the AUS-VIC-NE list administrator, send an email to >AUS-VIC-NE-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the AUS-VIC-NE mailing list, send an email to AUS-VIC-NE@rootsweb.com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to AUS-VIC-NE-request@rootsweb.com >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of AUS-VIC-NE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 32 >***************************************** > > >

Hi Carren, Have you had any replies yet ? I've been in touch with a long-term resident of Bowna who has not heard of Mr Bonat but who is fascinated and is doing some serious enquiring. The connection to Bowna seems entirely logical, assuming the French name Bonat was Anglicised to Bowna whilst he was here (IF he was here). Please let me know if you already have an answer to your query. Peter Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carren Kaston" <ckaston@starpower.net> To: <AUS-VIC-NE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 5:24 PM Subject: [AVNE] Mr. Bonat from the Bowna (Sub)Division in New South Wales, Albury District >I am a museum researcher in the United States, trying to find someone > named Mr. Bonat, who is described in a family diary as "Bowna Div. > Army man." We only recently learned that Bowna Div. is or was a place > in New South Wales, a land-holding. > > Mr. Bonat married a woman from Quebec named Marie-Louise LeBel > (born 1876), who migrated with her family to Michigan, in the United > States, around 1885. We think the marriage took place in the 1890s, > or a bit later, but not after 1905, since Mr. Bonat was dead by then. > > I am very sorry to say that we don't have Mr. Bonat's first name, nor > the date or place of his birth, nor the precise date or place of the > marriage, nor his place of death. (We do know a fair amount about > Marie-Louise LeBel Bonat, who traveled a great deal. By 1905, she was > living in Philadelphia and listing herself in the city directory as a > "widow," thus giving us an approximate date for Mr. Bonat's death. She > lived mostly in the US, with occasional periods in Paris, and died in > Middletown, Rhode Island, in 1936.) > > I have several questions relating to Mr. Bonat that I hope listserv > members can help me with. > > (1) Was the village of Bowna (flooded now, I understand, by > construction of a dam), or the Bowna (sub)Division, named for a family > whose surname was Bowna? If so, does anyone have information about this > family? -- what did they do for a living? where did they came from (if > originally from some place other than Australia), and when did they come? > Are there any descendants, or is there a way to track them, to see whether > one of their ancestors did in fact marry in French-Canadian woman named > Marie-Louise LeBel? > > (2) How can I find out if a man, or a family, named Bonat lived in the > Bowna (sub)Division, and get more information about him? The name Bonat > is quite unusual, so that even though we don't have his first name, I > think he would show up on military or parish lists, census records, etc. > > Maybe Bowna or Albury parish records -- do those exist anywhere? > Or census records for perhaps the 1880s or 1890s -- I would search for > both Bonat and Bowna. > > Note: Before we found out that Bowna is a place name, we thought it > might be a misspelling of "Bonat," since both words would be pronounced > the same, if Bonat is a French name. It is also possible that > Marie-Louise, who was very fond of all things French, "Frenchified" the > name Bowna so that it came out Bonat. That's why it might make sense to > search for the name Bowna as well. > > Thank you very much for your assistance. > > Sincerely, > Carren Kaston > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-NE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ian Just found our connection which is through Ian Ellis born 1940, (my side), married to Carol Foster (your second cousin). Any info we can swap would be appreciated. Missy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Foster" <ianf46@hotmail.com> To: <aus-vic-ne@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [AVNE] Ellis family > HI > > I'm afraid my link with this family is rather tenuous. But I'm pretty > sure > they still live around Kiewa area and can be phoned if you think you're > onto > something. > > Ian > > >>From: "missy" <hownow@supernerd.com.au> >>Reply-To: aus-vic-ne@rootsweb.com >>To: <aus-vic-ne@rootsweb.com> >>Subject: Re: [AVNE] Ellis family >>Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 13:03:39 +1100 >> >>Hi Ian >>Not sure if connected as yet. >>Do you know who Ian Ellis father was, also Raymond Ellis father >>Missy >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Ian Foster" <ianf46@hotmail.com> >>To: <aus-vic-ne@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 6:20 PM >>Subject: Re: [AVNE] Ellis family >> >> >> > Regarding the Ellis connection. >> > >> > Does this interest include >> > Ian Ellis (b abt 1942) who I think is married to Carolyn Foster (my >>second >> > cousin) b 1962 and lives near Kiewa today. or >> > Raymond Ellis b1967 or >> > Esther Ellis who married Daniel Plunkett in the UK in 1918 when serving >>in >> > the AIF. Daniel's mother was Mary Jane Abbott and grandmother was Mary >> > Anne >> > Swasbrick >> > >> > ?? >> > Regards, >> > >> > Ian >> > >> > >> >>From: "missy" <hownow@supernerd.com.au> >> >>Reply-To: aus-vic-ne@rootsweb.com >> >>To: "Andrew Smith" <axsmith@westnet.com.au>, <aus-vic-ne@rootsweb.com> >> >>Subject: Re: [AVNE] Re-subscribing Mitta/Kiewa areas >> >>Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 14:02:01 +1100 >> >> >> >>Hi Cherry >> >>I may be connected through the Ellis/Fanning families. >> >>Henry Ellis married Hannorah Fanning, their daughter Mary Ann married >> >>Samuel >> >>Barber, they were my Great Grandparents. >> >>Look forward to hearing from you about this family. >> >>Cheers >> >>Missy >> >> >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >> >>From: "Andrew Smith" <axsmith@westnet.com.au> >> >>To: <AUS-VIC-NE@rootsweb.com> >> >>Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 10:02 PM >> >>Subject: [AVNE] Re-subscribing Mitta/Kiewa areas >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi everybody, >> >> > >> >> > My name is Cherry Smith (not a Smith from this area), and I'm >>rejoining >> >> > your >> >> > list. These are the families in my tree: >> >> > ELLIS (Eskdale), DARCY (Eskdale, other NE areas), SUTHERLAND (Allans >> >> > Flat), >> >> > FANNING (Eskdale), BOON (Mitta). >> >> > Is anyone else researching these families? Any info. would be >>greatly >> >> > appreciated. Thanks, Cherry. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ------------------------------- >> >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> > AUS-VIC-NE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>the >> >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >> >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>AUS-VIC-NE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > Advertisement: Amazing holiday rentals? >> > >>http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eninemsn%2Erealestate%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Frsearch%3Fa%3Dbhp%26t%3Dhol%26cu%3DMSN&_t=758874163&_r=HM_Txt_Link_Holiday_Oct06&_m=EXT >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > AUS-VIC-NE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>AUS-VIC-NE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Advertisement: Fresh jobs daily. Stop waiting for the newspaper. Search > Now! > www.seek.com.au > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau&_t=757263760&_r=Hotmail_EndText_Dec06&_m=EXT > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > AUS-VIC-NE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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