Mary, Not sure of what brothers and sisters he had, but would be interested to find out. His Mothers name was Elizabeth nee Jones. The 'Ogle' is actually a family name and not a surname, so I would have thought it would be fairly easy to find, but I have been wrong before. As I live in a small Qld country town, is extremely hard for me to get information from libraries etc, so am really grateful for any info I can get on the net. Thanks for your help Kind Regards Jo

Hello all fellow researchers. I need help! I am looking to find the birth and death of my g/grandfather, Ogle James Moore. I don't have very much to go on, but know that all of his seven children were born in Albury from 1867 to 1877. His wife's name was Isabel Clara nee Webb. Ogle's Father was John Moore, but later his mother remarried and his stepfather was a Thomas Mitchell, who owned quite a lot of properties in the Wangaratta area. I would appreciate any info anyone can find for me. Thanks in advance Kind Regards Jo Baker

Paul, you are a gem. Thank you for doing this. You certainly spent a lot of your own time helping out. I for one appreciate it. regards Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Kelly" <pgkelly@melbpc.org.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 2:24 PM Subject: [AVNE] Scotch College > I spent some time this morning at the library of the Genealogical Society of Victoria looking at publications on Scotch College: they were > 1. "A History of Scotch College 1851-1925" authored by a committee in 1926 > 2. "Directory of Old Scotch Collegians" published by the collegians in 1997 > 3. An index to the obituaries in "The Scotch Collegian" > None of these publications contain anything like a full list of pupils or teachers who passed through the school and I found very little of interest. > For Denise only one Gemmell, James who joined the Old Collegians in 1928 > For Connie Thompson, no mention of Francis Thompson, Art master > For Rosie Butler, no Butlers of those names > For Ian Hastie of Colorado, An obituary of a Thomas John Edgar Hastie in "The Scotch Collegian of December 1965, page 263. He died 25 Sep. 1965, was a prefect in 1908 and in the football team 1907-1908. After leavong school he managed the family farm at Tatura. If this is your man, Ian, I could send you a photocopy of the whole obituary which contains a lot more > Peter Kelly >

Hi Denise, I've looked through the Milawa Co-op Dairy Co. book (1891 - 1992) and the first mention of Carboor is June 14, 1897. "Tender for creamery at Carboor from Knox & Humphrey accepted - tender price 129 pounds." July 12, 1897 "Hugh McCormack appointed Manager, Carboor creamery." I cannot find any mention of your relative or his Forest Park Estate. Best wishes, Bonnie Researching: Ferguson, Kerr, Wolstenholme, McKimmie in Australia. Ferguson, Kerr, Sloan, Welsh in Ayrshire. -----Original Message----- From: Denise McMahon [mailto:helendmc@powerup.com.au] Sent: Friday, 8 February 2002 7:02 PM To: AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AVNE] Milawa co-op. > > I am hoping someone on the list may have a copy of the history of the Milawa Co-op. and is prepared to do a look up for me. > > > > I would like to know if Carboor Cheese Factory or > > > > Forest Park Estate Carboor > > is mentioned. > > > > I have seen an ad in a paper of gg's selling his Forest Park Estate "on which Milawa creamery is". I have read that the Milawa one was the first to get milk for the new co-op. > > > > I would like to confirm or deny the relationship of this Carboor enterprise to Forest Park Estate and Hiram Allen Crawford > > > > Many thanks > > Regards > > Denise > > > > Looking for -- > > HAEFFNER - Germany-Vic.Aust. > > CONWAY - Ireland-Vic. Aust. > > NOONAN - Ireland > > MARRIOTT - England-Vic.Aust > > HALL - England-Vic.Aust > > SIMMONDS-England-Vic.Aust. > > PINNER - England-Vic.Aust > > SENNETT - ??- NSW > > CRAWFORD - USA-Vic.Aust. > > FOSTER - USA-Vic.Aust. >

I spent some time this morning at the library of the Genealogical Society of Victoria looking at publications on Scotch College: they were 1. "A History of Scotch College 1851-1925" authored by a committee in 1926 2. "Directory of Old Scotch Collegians" published by the collegians in 1997 3. An index to the obituaries in "The Scotch Collegian" None of these publications contain anything like a full list of pupils or teachers who passed through the school and I found very little of interest. For Denise only one Gemmell, James who joined the Old Collegians in 1928 For Connie Thompson, no mention of Francis Thompson, Art master For Rosie Butler, no Butlers of those names For Ian Hastie of Colorado, An obituary of a Thomas John Edgar Hastie in "The Scotch Collegian of December 1965, page 263. He died 25 Sep. 1965, was a prefect in 1908 and in the football team 1907-1908. After leavong school he managed the family farm at Tatura. If this is your man, Ian, I could send you a photocopy of the whole obituary which contains a lot more Peter Kelly

Could anyone who has this book check these pages for a reference to Dr Gemmel for me please. Pages 120, 147, 158. and George or John Charles Read I don't have page numbers for them. Thanks, Anne

Hi looking for any information in regard to Theodore (1871-1954) and Elizabeth Caudwell (nee Smeaton)(1869-1957) or their daughter Ada Lillian FRENCH (1906-1977). They all died at Benalla. I presume Theodore & Elizabeth moved to Benalla to live with family in their later years. They were buried at Murtoa where they came from. Their daughter Ada Lillian (1906-1977) married Athol George Rawson FRENCH. She died in Benalla 1877. She had a daughter Edna whose married name is FINDLAY Any help would be greatly appreciated, Thanks Judy

Hi, Looking for any information in regard to Theodore CAUDWELL and Myrain Ada SLOUS who both lived in Benalla c1866 and were married there at Theodore's house, by a minister of The Primitive Methodist Church. Myrian was a dressmaker. Her parents names were William and Mary Anne Slous. Theodore was a flour Miller. Thanks, Judy

This book is very expensive as you can see from the following places where it is for sale - even the facsimile is $100. Kathy 1. Dr.Arthur ANDREWS. The first settlement of the Upper Murray, 1834 to 1845; With a short account of over 200 runs, 1835 to 1880. First edition, Sydney, 1920. Original cloth, gilt : a small degree of external flecking : a very good copy. Bookseller Inventory # 300028 Price: A$ 320.00 (approx. US$ 163.54) convert currency Presented by Euroa Fine Books, Euroa, VI, Australia order options 2. Andrews, Dr Arthur The First Settlement of the Upper Murray, 1835 to 1845, with a Short Account of over Two Hundred Runs 1835 - 1880. Sydney D.S. Ford 1920. pp. 188, Index, half-tone plate, fold. map, ex-lib., labels & stamps on f.e.ps, contents v.g., library (?) cl., gilt, rubbed, bumped cnrs. 1st Edition. Binding is Cloth Boards. Bookseller Inventory # ABE49363 Price: A$ 165.00 (approx. US$ 84.32) convert currency Presented by Robert Muir Old & Rare Books-ANZAAB/ILAB, Nedlands, WA, Australia order options 3. ANDREWS, A. The First Settlement of the Upper Murray 1835 to 1845. 1920 With a short account of over two hundred runs. 1835 to 1880. Sydney 1920. 8vo. Or.cl. (188pp.). With fold. map, and 1 plate. Rare. Bookseller Inventory # 160830 Price: A$ 495.00 (approx. US$ 252.97) convert currency Presented by Messrs Berkelouw, Berrima, NSW, Australia order options 4. ANDREWS, A The First Settlement of the Upper Murray 1835 to 1845. With a short account of over Two Hundred Runs 1835 to 1880. Facsim. reprint. re 1979 North Sydney; Library of Australian History, facs. . Facs. Series #23. Limited to 1000 copies of which this is #583. Frontis, fldg map of district, iii,181,xii,pp. Cloth, gilt lettering on spine, very good. Exploration and white settlement with many anecdotes; includes a synopsis of over 200 runs in Victoria and NSW. Bookseller Inventory # 65455 Price: A$ 100.00 (approx. US$ 51.11) convert currency Presented by Antiquariat, Bowral, NSW, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn Webb" <dawnwebb@optushome.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [AVNE] The First Settlement of the Upper Murray 1835 to 1845 > Does anyone know where a copy of this book might be for sale? It sounds > very interesting and a useful source to fill in family background at the > very least. > > Thanks > > Dawn (Melbourne) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne Hollingshead" <hollies@melbpc.org.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 12:30 PM > Subject: [AVNE] The First Settlement of the Upper Murray 1835 to 1845 > > > > Could anyone who has this book check these pages for a reference to Dr > > Gemmel for me please. > > > > Pages 120, 147, 158. > > > > > > and George or John Charles Read I don't have page numbers for them. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Anne > > > > > >

Hi What are you actually looking for. I have found the marriage on disk. Regards Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: J Williams <judithw@flashmail.com> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 11:40 AM Subject: [AVNE] Caudwell/ Slous > Hi, > Looking for any information in regard to Theodore CAUDWELL and Myrain Ada > SLOUS who both lived in Benalla c1866 and were married there at Theodore's > house, by a minister of The Primitive Methodist Church. > Myrian was a dressmaker. Her parents names were William and Mary Anne Slous. > Theodore was a flour Miller. > Thanks, Judy > >

From Ian in Colorado: Thanks Peter, he was a cousin of my father and I did not known that he also attended Scotch. He has a daughter still living in Tatura, but she does not know much about the family history. Yes please send me a copy of the obit. If you need an address I will send it offline. Peter Kelly wrote: > > I spent some time this morning at the library of the Genealogical Society of Victoria looking at publications on Scotch College: they were > 1. "A History of Scotch College 1851-1925" authored by a committee in 1926 > 2. "Directory of Old Scotch Collegians" published by the collegians in 1997 > 3. An index to the obituaries in "The Scotch Collegian" > None of these publications contain anything like a full list of pupils or teachers who passed through the school and I found very little of interest. > For Denise only one Gemmell, James who joined the Old Collegians in 1928 > For Connie Thompson, no mention of Francis Thompson, Art master > For Rosie Butler, no Butlers of those names > For Ian Hastie of Colorado, An obituary of a Thomas John Edgar Hastie in "The Scotch Collegian of December 1965, page 263. He died 25 Sep. 1965, was a prefect in 1908 and in the football team 1907-1908. After leavong school he managed the family farm at Tatura. If this is your man, Ian, I could send you a photocopy of the whole obituary which contains a lot more > Peter Kelly

I noted some recent posting on the "Billy" Clark family in Wangaratta. Billy's granddaughter Ellen (Nell) Kemp Clark (1912-2002) passed away last month in Sydney. The following, extracted from her obituary, speaks of her grandfather. It may be of interest to some. "The Clark family had been pioneers of Wangaratta (Vic.) where my great grandfather, William Clark, built the Sydney Hotel (still standing) and operated a punt over the Ovens River, (Because there was no bridge) during the gold rush years to Beechworth and Bright (about 1890) this continued until the bridge was built. The prow of this punt is now erected as a memorial to the pioneers, just near the bridge over the Ovens River as one enters Wangaratta. My great grandfather had come from England (Kent) in 1832, where his family had been yeoman farmers with a family tree going back to the 16th century. Among his many gifts to the town of Wangaratta, was the land on which the Anglican Cathedral and the Cathedral Close, now stands. His portrait and that of his wife hang in the Cathedral Vestries and there are memorial windows in the Cathedral as well. There are members of the Clark family still living in Wangaratta. A 15th Century painting "The Madonna of the Grapes" hangs above the altar in the Lady Chapel, a memorial to my parents, which I caused to be erected." Nell was a great help to me when I first start chasing my 'roots'. She was a charming and talented woman, proud of her forebears Pat Morgan Corte Madera, California

Well listers as usual there have been plenty of ideas and I thank you for all your help. I shall endeavour to get something organised this week. regards Denise

Hi Denise. Try either (or both) your local jeweller or optometrist and ask them about an 8x LUPE. Mike S ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise McMahon" <helendmc@powerup.com.au> Date: Sunday, February 10, 2002 11:52 pm Subject: [AVNE] Resources > Can anyone tell me where I can buy a magnifying glass. Not the > little ones you buy in the newsagencies but much stronger. > > I have been using a magnifying sheet, under a lamp with a torch > shining onto the subject. > I now have a photo of a minutes book taken in the St. Johns Lodge > and I am trying to read the names. > > I have found that shining a good torch onto the > paper,/photo/book/newsprint/whatever makes things much clearer. > > It also shows up marks which naked eye can't see on the back of > photos. I have found a few names on the backs of 1800 photos > which I couldn't see, until the torch was shone on it.. > Obviously the pen/pencil or whatever was used has faded, but the > indentation is still there. > > Thought it may be a good clue for everyone. > > Denise > > ---------------- Powered by telstra.com

Fun times Lorraine!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorraine Key" <keyman@net2000.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [AVNE] 12th February > Hi Denise > I have read that William CLARK owned the Punt, That Billie worked on. > William Clark had upset the Government or who ever built the bridge, > They moved the bridge so that it would not go past the pub that William owned. > The day the bridge opened the punt sunk. > Regards Lorraine Key > > Denise McMahon wrote: > > > 1855 > > Wang got its bridge across the OVens. > > Canadian design, spanned the stream in a single arch (yep only one). The gangs used axes from America for the very very first time in the colony, so that made it a wonderful bridge............All good things came from America. > > > > Poor Billie the Puntman when out of business. Got into a bad mood about it too. > > > > then in > > 1866 on the same day. > > > > The First sparkling wine was made. Mr. P.D. Ramsey , Beechworth, mde it, with assistance from mr. Russom, the soda water manufacturer. > >

Hi Denise I have read that William CLARK owned the Punt, That Billie worked on. William Clark had upset the Government or who ever built the bridge, They moved the bridge so that it would not go past the pub that William owned. The day the bridge opened the punt sunk. Regards Lorraine Key Denise McMahon wrote: > 1855 > Wang got its bridge across the OVens. > Canadian design, spanned the stream in a single arch (yep only one). The gangs used axes from America for the very very first time in the colony, so that made it a wonderful bridge............All good things came from America. > > Poor Billie the Puntman when out of business. Got into a bad mood about it too. > > then in > 1866 on the same day. > > The First sparkling wine was made. Mr. P.D. Ramsey , Beechworth, mde it, with assistance from mr. Russom, the soda water manufacturer.

Hi Denise, The Caledonian lodge is now an amalgam of five lodges - Caledonian 113, Hampton 308, Elsternwick Glamis 329, Coronation 522 and Camden 702 and this combined lodge is named Helios 113. This amalgamation was 17th August, 1991. They now meet at the Sandringham temple in Abbott St, Sandringham. (From the Victorian Masonic Guide. Issue no 345. Bonnie Joy (nee Ferguson) Researching: Ferguson, Kerr, Wolstenholme, McKimmie in Australia. Ferguson, Kerr, Sloan, Welsh in Ayrshire. -----Original Message----- From: Denise McMahon [mailto:helendmc@powerup.com.au] Sent: Friday, 8 February 2002 7:13 PM To: AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [AVNE] Masonic lodges I wrote to the Masonic archives recently about a few rellies and this part of the reply relates to Beechworth. Now, I'm confused. I have been inside ST. Johns Lodge #14, have seen Hiram's portrait hanging there, have seen the minutes of his inaugural meeting, so he belonged. Now what is the below? I realise there were more than one lodge in Beechworth but has anyone any knowledge of the one below? The Caledonian lodge.........where is that. by this year Hiram was leaving Everton and in Melbourne. Is this lodge there? Only stayed with it 2 years. What a wonderful service too from the archives. Denise In relation to your Great Grandfather, Hiram Allen Crawford, he was a member > of Beechworth Lodge No. 778 under the English Constitution. He is recorded > as joining the Caledonian Lodge No. 113 on 8th October 1903 at the age of > 79, and later resigned > on 13th April 1905. I have no other details of his history.

Denise - I have one that hangs around the neck - received it for embroidery purpose. It's yours if you want it. Lincraft also sell these - if you have easy access to Lincraft or Spotlight, go in and try one - it you think it is strong enough, I'll post mine up to you. Cheers, Nandina ----- Original Message ----- From: Denise McMahon <helendmc@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 11:52 PM Subject: [AVNE] Resources > Can anyone tell me where I can buy a magnifying glass. Not the little ones you buy in the newsagencies but much stronger. > > I have been using a magnifying sheet, under a lamp with a torch shining onto the subject. > I now have a photo of a minutes book taken in the St. Johns Lodge and I am trying to read the names. > > I have found that shining a good torch onto the paper,/photo/book/newsprint/whatever makes things much clearer. > > It also shows up marks which naked eye can't see on the back of photos. I have found a few names on the backs of 1800 photos which I couldn't see, until the torch was shone on it.. Obviously the pen/pencil or whatever was used has faded, but the indentation is still there. > > Thought it may be a good clue for everyone. > > Denise > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 2/8/02

Denise I found a beauty, a few years back at the optomterists that slides between a leather pouch cover, sits in my handbag without getting scratched etc. I use it continously when transcribing from CPS records, mine is only about 2-3" in diameter and was around $40 - $50 larger one's were available, I found it well worth the expence Regards Marg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise McMahon" <helendmc@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, 10 February 2002 11:52 Subject: [AVNE] Resources > Can anyone tell me where I can buy a magnifying glass. Not the little ones you buy in the newsagencies but much stronger. > > I have been using a magnifying sheet, under a lamp with a torch shining onto the subject. > I now have a photo of a minutes book taken in the St. Johns Lodge and I am trying to read the names. > > I have found that shining a good torch onto the paper,/photo/book/newsprint/whatever makes things much clearer. > > It also shows up marks which naked eye can't see on the back of photos. I have found a few names on the backs of 1800 photos which I couldn't see, until the torch was shone on it.. Obviously the pen/pencil or whatever was used has faded, but the indentation is still there. > > Thought it may be a good clue for everyone. > > Denise > >

Thanks Corinne. Will try the suggestions regards Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corinne Thompson" <visualarts@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 6:05 AM Subject: [AVNE] Resources > > Hello friends, > > This is the sort used by podiatrists etc. ...... I have one I use for very > fine detailed drawings ...... if you can't find one, ask your local > podiatrist for the name of his supplier. > > Kindest Regards ...... Corinne. > > > > > Now, it always pays to ask an old person. We have a large magnifying glass > > on a stand, and the glass swivels, and there is a fluro light around the > > glass, boy you can see everything, hubby needs this for his model trains. > > we bought if at a lighting store > > Penny > > > > Can anyone tell me where I can buy a magnifying glass. Not the little ones > > you buy in the newsagencies but much stronger. > >