Anne - A.F. Grhaam - 2889/1890 was rated #598 in FordSt Beechworth had purchased Richard Taylor's premises in Ford St. Allotment 7 Section 2. Richard was merchant, store, premises and land. This Richard T had owned the home, Baarmutha, which my gg HIram Crawford had just sold a year or two earlier and my "source" suggests that perhaps Taylor was in some financial trouble, and hence his selling up his properties. Thomas A Graham was Manager of Bank of Victoria in Beechworth. Denise > A.F. Graham > ThomasA. Graham > >

I am interested indeed, and no I have nothing on them except that John and Ann were residents in Wooragee circa 1859. Appreciate anything you can share - of course I shall acknowledge the great-grandchild/ggggg/grandchild??? I shall dig out the rates again and find to what they refer Anne and get back to you with them. The rates may of course give you more clues. many thanks Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hollingshead" <hollies@melbpc.org.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [AVNE] Cleaning up the cupboard > A.F. Graham > ThomasA. Graham >

1879 Robert Brown, one of Mulwala's pioneers was buried. He had died two days earlier at 64 years of age and had the distinction of being Albury's first businessman. >From Ireland, arriving when 7 years of age he settled at Albury in his mid 20s. He married, rasied children and racehorses and was the owner of the old property Collendina. 1908 Heat wave .from 14th February when it was 100 the following days recorded 103, 106, 107, 107, 107, 108 and 101. Denise

No Worries Denise, am going back to the fische reader,and my newspaper reels now, very slow going but immensely interesting, very easy to get side-tracked. Regards Marg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise McMahon" <helendmc@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2002 10:02 Subject: Re: [AVNE] Women in the 1800's > Hi Marg, how does it go! > > > > >> I don't know how they found the time, to even tend their families : ) > > My Martha didn't have a large family - which amazes me given the > times/habits etc etc. I also think she probably had help doing what women > do. At the very least, her daughter lived at home with them always. > > > > I have been researching for the History of our hospital, all the cooking > > they must have done!, to raise funds for their churches etc. Every body > > supported all benefit socials whether it be CE, RC or Wesleyan etc. or for > a > > family suffering hardship. > > > > BNA and CWA notes in the newspapers : which I am finding lots of info in > on > > It certainly seems the way to go, the church activities - community benefits > etc. > > > > the women's lives themselves, but that would be a little late for Mrs > Hirram > > just a tad, she was in a deep sleep by 1911, as was my other ggmum. > > > Thanks for the imput Marg. > Denise >

Hi Dianne, As we are a small town, the interested ones are involved with everything, Genealogy club, Historical Society, Museum, Cemetery etc. The Museum has quite a good collection of family histories, all cemetery records and newspaper records etc. We will be happy to open for you on the Wednesday, March 12. I myself do not have connections in the north east, but love the history of this area. Heather Kelly

Hi Nandina, I have a line of Gemmills in my tree also. They hailed from Ayreshire , Scotland , and settled mainly in the Mooroopna, Kyabram area. Heather Kelly nandina morris wrote: >Denise - Isn't it sad? My grandmother's obit - wife of ..... who was >.....and ..... . Not a word about her efforts at bringing up 9 children, >knitting khaki helmets for out fighting boys, WW2. >>From the Ringwood FHS I did find an entry from a local paper about a fund >raising fete. 'Mrs Bert Dawes had the produce stall.' (or words to that >effect!) >Education Department archives could be a good place - I understand there is >a library which keepers records of past staff members. >There could be a listing of A.W.A.S. I wonder did they have service >records, like their male counterparts. NAA could be a starting point for >those. >But by and large, the C20th emerged as the Women Exist century. >BTW - was your list doing GEMMEL (?sp) I deleted them, thinking I had no >interest. Now I find I have a family of GEMMILs as a lateral line. Be glad >to share info. > >Happy Valentines Day - yes, I know, and I love you too, and all the other >nice listers! > >Cheers, > >Nandina >----- Original Message ----- >From: Denise McMahon <helendmc@powerup.com.au> >To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 10:18 PM >Subject: [AVNE] Women in the 1800's > > >>As part of my preparation for researching when in Beechworth etc etc I am >> >trying to get together some ideas on what to look for in relation to finding >out more on the women in the families. > >>I am hoping that some of our listers, including those who are joining the >> >circus could perhaps join in this thread. > >>What would you look for when researching/where would you look >> >>1. Women's guild at the churches >>2. Hospital committees >>3. LIbrary membership >>4. Perhaps church choirs - church records >>5. Temperance movements >>6. >>7 >> >>How about giving up some ideas for research - we may all be able to find >> >something. > >>Another idea I have is, if one of us is actually searching and gets copies >> >of rates/records of any kind, then if any of the names are on these lists >are relevant to others on the circus we could share at our dinner table etc >etc. > >>Any other ideas? >> >>Denise >> > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 2/8/02 > > > >. >

In the process of researching a family line, I've acquired a substantial Police employment Conduct and Service Record of Mortimer Edward McCARTHY, born Melbourne Melbourne 1854, died Prahran 1929. He married in 1881 Martha LAWRENCE (originally SNIP, born 1861 Porepunkah). He was formerly a "Waiter and farm labourer". His Police Record from 1876, whilst not brilliant (!) is intriguing as he served at Ballarat (then was transferred to the North East in November 1879 "for special duty re the Kelly gang"), Bright ("Extra, special duty re Outlaws"), Barnawartha, Chiltern, Bright , Yackandandah, Myrtleford, Everton, Russell Street, Kew, East Melbourne and retired in 1912 as Officer in Charge at Sandringham. If anyone is connected to this man or has an interest, let me know. Peter Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: Denise McMahon <helendmc@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 8:53 PM Subject: [AVNE] Police in the north east > Today I received information from the Police HIstorical Unit (V ictoria) on a fewmen who served in Beechworth area. > > I list the names below, if any are yours I am happy to share what little information I received. > > The very nice letter I received enclosing this information told me that as from 5/7/1999 Vic Police members' Record of Conduct and Service Sheets are not available for copying due to restoration of these vital records. My request was filed to await the time these records became available again. If anyone is interested in the police service records, you can still view them by making an appointment. > > Meanwhile here are the names - > > John Sadleir > John R. Scott > Henry Casey > Kennedy McIntrye > John Assip > Edward Graham > and or/ > Graham Edward > if same guy he resigned and joined again > and finally > James Lynch. > > Not much, but every little bit helps....get in touch if yours. > > Denise >

We've had 11 now on the list of police in the north east. Does anyone know of the history of the police force in the Beechworth area during the latter half of the century (19th). I'd be interested to read of their "headquarters" etc etc and daily events. Must have been a very interesting time, but going by the short service for most on my list, probably very stressful. D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jones" <bobjones@dcsi.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [AVNE] Police in the north east > I can add two more. Robert GAHAGAN and Carl MEYER. Both served > Wangaratta, Beechworth area 1852-ish. Both related to my Wife and Kaye. > And of course, but not related, Robert O'Hara BOURKE. > Regards > bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Denise McMahon <helendmc@powerup.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 8:53 PM > Subject: [AVNE] Police in the north east > > > > Today I received information from the Police HIstorical Unit (V ictoria) > on a fewmen who served in Beechworth area. > > > > I list the names below, if any are yours I am happy to share what little > information I received. > > > > The very nice letter I received enclosing this information told me that as > from 5/7/1999 Vic Police members' Record of Conduct and Service Sheets are > not available for copying due to restoration of these vital records. My > request was filed to await the time these records became available again. > If anyone is interested in the police service records, you can still view > them by making an appointment. > > > > Meanwhile here are the names - > > > > John Sadleir > > John R. Scott > > Henry Casey > > Kennedy McIntrye > > John Assip > > Edward Graham > > and or/ > > Graham Edward > > if same guy he resigned and joined again > > and finally > > James Lynch. > > > > Not much, but every little bit helps....get in touch if yours. > > > > Denise > > > >

Robert Bourke........ Who always got lost - known for his poor sense of direction/bush sense. and then proceeded to cross the country from south to north and back again! Denise

Very jealous Mary. Would love to have one and get hold of the newspapers etc et. Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marg Glenn" <marg.glenn@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [AVNE] Women in the 1800's > No Worries Denise, am going back to the fische reader,and my newspaper reels > now, very slow going but immensely interesting, very easy to get > side-tracked. > > Regards > Marg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denise McMahon" <helendmc@powerup.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2002 10:02 > Subject: Re: [AVNE] Women in the 1800's > > > > Hi Marg, how does it go! > > > > > > > > >> I don't know how they found the time, to even tend their families : ) > > > > My Martha didn't have a large family - which amazes me given the > > times/habits etc etc. I also think she probably had help doing what women > > do. At the very least, her daughter lived at home with them always. > > > > > > > I have been researching for the History of our hospital, all the cooking > > > they must have done!, to raise funds for their churches etc. Every body > > > supported all benefit socials whether it be CE, RC or Wesleyan etc. or > for > > a > > > family suffering hardship. > > > > > > BNA and CWA notes in the newspapers : which I am finding lots of info in > > on > > > > It certainly seems the way to go, the church activities - community > benefits > > etc. > > > > > > > the women's lives themselves, but that would be a little late for Mrs > > Hirram > > > > just a tad, she was in a deep sleep by 1911, as was my other ggmum. > > > > > > Thanks for the imput Marg. > > Denise > > > > >

Hi Denise I don't know how they found the time, to even tend their families : ) I don't, and I'm only sitting here reading about their exploits, let alone putting it into practice LOL I have been researching for the History of our hospital, all the cooking they must have done!, to raise funds for their churches etc. Every body supported all benefit socials whether it be CE, RC or Wesleyan etc. or for a family suffering hardship. BNA and CWA notes in the newspapers : which I am finding lots of info in on the women's lives themselves, but that would be a little late for Mrs Hirram : ) CWA started c1923 and Bush Nursing c1910 Have been collecting obits since c1990 for our local area, and even right up to 1940's [where I'm up to now] nine times out of ten the dec'd is Mrs J [husbands s/n], and quite often not a clue to her name, or maiden name, unless strike it lucky and she is the dau of Mr & Mrs [fathers's surname] and the mother of ten children [names not given] I have often read where the ladies have walked literally miles to help tend a neighbour in sickness or distress Regards Marg > As part of my preparation for researching when in Beechworth etc etc I am trying to get together some ideas on what to look for in relation to finding out more on the women in the families.

Hi Marg, how does it go! >> I don't know how they found the time, to even tend their families : ) My Martha didn't have a large family - which amazes me given the times/habits etc etc. I also think she probably had help doing what women do. At the very least, her daughter lived at home with them always. > I have been researching for the History of our hospital, all the cooking > they must have done!, to raise funds for their churches etc. Every body > supported all benefit socials whether it be CE, RC or Wesleyan etc. or for a > family suffering hardship. > > BNA and CWA notes in the newspapers : which I am finding lots of info in on It certainly seems the way to go, the church activities - community benefits etc. > the women's lives themselves, but that would be a little late for Mrs Hirram just a tad, she was in a deep sleep by 1911, as was my other ggmum. Thanks for the imput Marg. Denise

Today I received information from the Police HIstorical Unit (V ictoria) on a fewmen who served in Beechworth area. I list the names below, if any are yours I am happy to share what little information I received. The very nice letter I received enclosing this information told me that as from 5/7/1999 Vic Police members' Record of Conduct and Service Sheets are not available for copying due to restoration of these vital records. My request was filed to await the time these records became available again. If anyone is interested in the police service records, you can still view them by making an appointment. Meanwhile here are the names - John Sadleir John R. Scott Henry Casey Kennedy McIntrye John Assip Edward Graham and or/ Graham Edward if same guy he resigned and joined again and finally James Lynch. Not much, but every little bit helps....get in touch if yours. Denise

Thanks for your interest in the thread. I haven't a clue on what Martha Crawford or Mary Conway would be involved in. Martha definintely would have been occupied by some other interests than Hiram!!!! and I suspect something to do with music/helping others/church etc etc - as would her daughter Susan. I hope to follow up some of the ideas when in Beechworth. Obits for Mary and Martha both indicate they were well known in the area. There must be something!! > > BTW - was your list doing GEMMEL (?sp) I deleted them, thinking I had no > interest. Now I find I have a family of GEMMILs as a lateral line. Be glad > to share info. Nandina. I have no personal interest in Gemmell but am following the family for a couple of reasons one of which is their connection to Wooragee. Any happy VAlentines Day to you also. Red roses??? Chocolates??? Denise

A.F. Graham ThomasA. Graham This would be Ann Graham , John Graham's wife and Thomas his brother also brother to George who stayed on in Wooragee when John and Ann went to Netherby vineyards in Wahgunyah. Are you interested in this family. Did I send you anything about them. My James Tinning who married Mary Jane Thornton worked for them in Wahgunyah and perhaps Wooragee before he married. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise McMahon" <helendmc@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2002 10:57 Subject: [AVNE] Cleaning up the cupboard > Listers hi. > > I decided that I should get up and do some real work last weekend and dug into the cupboard for my "coffin" the box in which I have stored my dead files on HIram research. Files I've used. When I was going thru them I found several things which were interesting to other research I am doing and started to read it again. > > I've been doing this at night, at work in my lunch break and then coming home and working on it. If I can, I suggest people - pull all your research out and look at it again. You see things from different angles a second third and fourth time. I find that I understand the information better, things click together easier. > > I found a lot of papers on rates sent to me so kindly by Geoffrey Craig from Stanley one day. I thought I might post the names for anyone who may have them in their tree, and I will then happily tell you about the property. Good luck - > > There is a lot on the Commercial Hotel and its various owners over the years. If the names are repeated it is because I am going thru lots of pages and as I list, ones I remember I don't repeat, but others I do. sorry. So if your names appears it may appear a few times - remind me. > > John Duncan Fisher > Edward Clark > Alfred Foreman > Richard Finch > Thomas Tanswell > Henry William Francis > Wiliam Richards Forman > Alex Glenine (?) IECKS - hairdresser > Heirs of Dr. OUTI (?) > Marshall Fisher > J. Deutschman > D. Lasher or Lashi -- > Bowler > David Lasker (could be the same as 2 above ) Tailor > John MOras > Alex G Jacks > John Melrose > Thomas Haig > Peter Donald Ramsay > De Jacks and Kellston - obviously busines > William Andres & Son > Jane Tanswell > Albert William Dumaresq > Richard Taylor > William Andrews Jnr > A.F. Graham > ThomasA. Graham > Richard Johnson > > Denise > > I have Minutes from the Beechworth Minute Meeting Book (Council) > Witt > Clemenger > Colier > Fiddes > Raecke > russom > Graham > Fisher - away sick! > > > > > >

Hello Ronda, how nice of you to reply. I shall get in touch with you later about info as I can probably add "my" side of the family to your list. I have house guests for a week, so cant think for the moment, but will be in touch again after that! Kind regards Beverly ----- Original Message ----- From: Ronda Shambrook <shambrookdr@dcsi.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [AVNE] PRICE / FINNEY around Beechworth circa 1890s > Hi Beverly, > > I am also a Price descendant, and have quite a bit of information which I > can send to you off list. James and Robina are buried in the Beechworth > cemetery, and their son, James John Finnie Price was died in the first world > war. > > Ronda Shambrook. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ian Wilson <ibwilson@bluep.com> > To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 5:47 PM > Subject: [AVNE] PRICE / FINNEY around Beechworth circa 1890s > > >

Denise - Isn't it sad? My grandmother's obit - wife of ..... who was .....and ..... . Not a word about her efforts at bringing up 9 children, knitting khaki helmets for out fighting boys, WW2. From the Ringwood FHS I did find an entry from a local paper about a fund raising fete. 'Mrs Bert Dawes had the produce stall.' (or words to that effect!) Education Department archives could be a good place - I understand there is a library which keepers records of past staff members. There could be a listing of A.W.A.S. I wonder did they have service records, like their male counterparts. NAA could be a starting point for those. But by and large, the C20th emerged as the Women Exist century. BTW - was your list doing GEMMEL (?sp) I deleted them, thinking I had no interest. Now I find I have a family of GEMMILs as a lateral line. Be glad to share info. Happy Valentines Day - yes, I know, and I love you too, and all the other nice listers! Cheers, Nandina ----- Original Message ----- From: Denise McMahon <helendmc@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 10:18 PM Subject: [AVNE] Women in the 1800's > As part of my preparation for researching when in Beechworth etc etc I am trying to get together some ideas on what to look for in relation to finding out more on the women in the families. > > I am hoping that some of our listers, including those who are joining the circus could perhaps join in this thread. > > What would you look for when researching/where would you look > > 1. Women's guild at the churches > 2. Hospital committees > 3. LIbrary membership > 4. Perhaps church choirs - church records > 5. Temperance movements > 6. > 7 > > How about giving up some ideas for research - we may all be able to find something. > > Another idea I have is, if one of us is actually searching and gets copies of rates/records of any kind, then if any of the names are on these lists are relevant to others on the circus we could share at our dinner table etc etc. > > Any other ideas? > > Denise > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 2/8/02

I can add two more. Robert GAHAGAN and Carl MEYER. Both served Wangaratta, Beechworth area 1852-ish. Both related to my Wife and Kaye. And of course, but not related, Robert O'Hara BOURKE. Regards bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Denise McMahon <helendmc@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 8:53 PM Subject: [AVNE] Police in the north east > Today I received information from the Police HIstorical Unit (V ictoria) on a fewmen who served in Beechworth area. > > I list the names below, if any are yours I am happy to share what little information I received. > > The very nice letter I received enclosing this information told me that as from 5/7/1999 Vic Police members' Record of Conduct and Service Sheets are not available for copying due to restoration of these vital records. My request was filed to await the time these records became available again. If anyone is interested in the police service records, you can still view them by making an appointment. > > Meanwhile here are the names - > > John Sadleir > John R. Scott > Henry Casey > Kennedy McIntrye > John Assip > Edward Graham > and or/ > Graham Edward > if same guy he resigned and joined again > and finally > James Lynch. > > Not much, but every little bit helps....get in touch if yours. > > Denise >

Hi All, A member of the Bright Historical Society is compiling and researching information about the Buckland area. She would be interested in any photos or information about this area. Can anyone help? Heather Kelly

Denise, I found this in the Alpine Observer 10 May 1895 " The remains of Mr Frederick Wells, an old resident in the Gapstead district, were interred in the Beechworth Cemetery on Tuesday afternoon, and they were followed to their last resting place by a large concourse of friends" There was no other information in our Museum Heather Kelly Bright Denise McMahon wrote: >I am looking for family WELLS who lived in Buckland area. I know very little other than this. I was hoping to find something of them today, as tomorrow I visit a 82 year old whose family Wells were in Buckland > >THe one I am visiting is Frederick J Wells. His mother lived in Mitcham Melbourne until her death about 15 years ago. > >I am sorry I don't know much more but anything on the Wells from Buckland area will start me off - and surprise Jack. > >Denise > > > >. >