I need to apologise for an error in my list of spare certificate entries. In the Stanley Births 1891/92, the last entry should read Andrew John Thompson, not Gifford. His father was James Gifford Little Thompson, and the way it was written it looked like Little Thompson was his place of residence. Carol Dale

REgading the Carriage Museum...........I have read it was in Finch Street but I also believe it may have been in High St. Iwould like to see this building if it still stands...........also have heard it was part of Tanswells property, and that extended from Ford to High - C and C's stables were in the building which still stands at the side/rear of the Commercial Hotel. The Booking Office is a small brick shop on the coach"drive" thru the shops to the stables. Any help appreciated. Denise

Yes just 43 years ago, it is not a mistake. I'm enquiring of anyone who went to the Carriage Museum in Beechworth then or later, or even just know about it. It is now I believe under the Cordial Factory, but today I discovered that the Museum was opened in 1969 i the same building that Crawford & Connolly built their coaches. Does anyone know where this might have been in that period. regards Denise

Ada, Thank you for your imput. Much appreciated. The reason I asked is that I think my great-grandmother came to Beechworth from Ireland to work at the Beechworth Arms for 6 months for 35 (?what) and rations. She was a domestic servant, so this hotel probably had accommodation. This was in March 1854 and she married in December 1854...... I hope to be able to track at least where the Beechworth Arms was, if nothing else. Her future husband worked at mining and ran the Criterion Hotel on Spring Creek, which I think is now the hotel on the Cnr High and Camp STs. When I was there last year I noticed a sign/plaque in the foyer listing names of hotels thru the years, and I feel this sign was referring to the hotel which still stands and it just had its name changed. Does anyone know if that hotel...wait a mo.....just looked it up, called the NIcholas actually did start it's life under another name? Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ada Ackerly" <aackers@alphalink.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [

Hello Denise, I haven't seen a reply to this, so here goes: Licences were introduced by Governor Macquarie in NSW in 1810, allowing publicans to sell beer ( previous to this was the infamous "Rum Rebellion" of the NSW Corps). By this means Macquarie reduced the number of public houses in Sydney from 75 to 20. The licence cost twenty Spanish dollars. There were a few more expensive licences allowing also wines. Spirits were controlled by the merchant class through the governor, remember it was still a convict settlement. The Duke of Portland stated to Macquarie "The introduction of beer into general use among the inhabitants will tend, in a great degree, to lessen the consumption of spirituous liquors." Early Port Phillip publicans had to apply to NSW court for a licence, and because of the distance, and the necessity to pay within 14 days of the granting of the licence, Melbourne hotels were unlicenced until late 1836, when Police Magistrate William Lonsdale arrived and issued licences at £25 each. These licences were validated by the NSW government retrospectively in 1838. From that time, publicans applied to the nearest magistrate's court for a licence. The building had to be of fair construction in the early days, and I would think a tent would not gain a licence, but a slab hut with accomodation for travellers would be considered. So a tent would be an illegal "grog shanty" As years went by, the government demanded higher & higher standards, lesser in the country, though even by 1880 an hotel outside Bendigo was closed "because no-one could stand upright in it, its ceilings were so low " (it was probably OK before they were forced to put in partitions and a ceiling!) Hope that answers your query At 22:47 21-02-02 +1000, you wrote: >I have a question and hope someone may know the answer. > >Iam endeavour to locate a hotel in Beechworth in 1854 called Beechworth >Arms -as per my email last night-. > >My question is - in the early days of Beechworth, say for the first half >dozen years, was it compulsory to have a license to run a hotel -whatever >form it was in, a tent, building, slab etc.? > >When did licenses come in? > >Denise regards, Ada Ackerly, Melbourne, Australia formerly Ackerly DocuSearch

Hi Denise, Source (and another by same author, Victoria: The "Barred Numeral" Cancellations 1856-1912.. JRW Purves; both now long out of print) are books listing the postmarks used at all (or hopefully all) Victorian Post Offices during this period; there were 50 numbers in the butterfly series, 109 in the barred ovals and 2100 barred numerals. His effort (99.9 % successful) was to link the name of each Post office to the number on the postmark it used. A few (insane, in my opinion!) stamp collectors collect the postmarks (I've got about eight or nine hundred). Back then, stamps were meant to be heavily postmarked to prevent their fraudulent reuse. The postmarks bore a number, unique to the office using it; these were applied to the stamp on the front of the envelope. Another postmark (usually) circular, with the Post Office name and date was separately applied to the back of the envelope. Maiden's Punt "butterfly" looked something like this (if you can imagine a continuous line in the shape of a butterfly drawn through the ends of the horizontal lines): 7 __________ ___________ ___________ __________ __ __ V Wooragee's Barred numeral (without a continuous line through the ends of the horizontal lines): _____ _________ ___________ 778 ___________ _________ ______ (both not to scale) Mike S ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise McMahon" <helendmc@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [AVNE] Mr. Maiden > Mike. Would you mind explaining what your source is please - i.e. > cancellations? > Has this something to do with Post offices (or stamps -(g) > > Denise > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Skurrie" <mskurrie@bigpond.net.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 7:47 PM > Subject: Re: [AVNE] Mr. Maiden > > > > Hi Lorraine, > > > > Silly little bit of trivia about James Maiden. > > > > Maiden's Punt was the name of one of the earliest Victorian Post Offices, > > opened on 1st March 1848, but uniquely, the post office was actually on > the > > New South Wales side of the Murray, near present day Moama, and was named > > after James Maiden, who operated a punt service across the river. On > > 1.1.1855 it was transferred to the New South Wales Postal Department, and > a > > new Victorian Post Office names Hopwood's Punt (lated renamed to Echuca) > > opened on the Victorian side of the river. > > (Source: Victoria: The "Butterfly" and "Barred Oval" Cancellations > > 1850-1855. JRW Purves) > > > > Mike Skurrie

Hi Lorraine, Silly little bit of trivia about James Maiden. Maiden's Punt was the name of one of the earliest Victorian Post Offices, opened on 1st March 1848, but uniquely, the post office was actually on the New South Wales side of the Murray, near present day Moama, and was named after James Maiden, who operated a punt service across the river. On 1.1.1855 it was transferred to the New South Wales Postal Department, and a new Victorian Post Office names Hopwood's Punt (lated renamed to Echuca) opened on the Victorian side of the river. (Source: Victoria: The "Butterfly" and "Barred Oval" Cancellations 1850-1855. JRW Purves) Mike Skurrie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorraine Key" <keyman@net2000.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [AVNE] Mr. Maiden > Hi Denise > Do you have any other information on Mr Maiden. > His name was James Maiden and I'm researching the family. > Regards Lorraine > > Denise McMahon wrote: > > > the real version is in On This Day in the North EAst - G Jones > > > > on 27th February 1868 the north east had an earthquake. Only lasted 4 or 5 seconds but enough to scare the daylights out of grandma. > > > > Buildings shook and the cuppa rattled. > > > > The Waves appeared to moved in a north to south direction, Beechworth, Stanley, Chiltern and WAng all reported rockin'rollin. > > > > It had happened in 1858 when a quake rolled across from Campaspe to the Murray in 58. > > Mr. Maiden was rowing across the river near present day Moama, and according to tales at the time, the tidal wave nearly overturned his boat! > > > > Was it compulsory to have life jackets???? > > > > Denise >

Mike. Would you mind explaining what your source is please - i.e. cancellations? Has this something to do with Post offices (or stamps -(g) Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Skurrie" <mskurrie@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [AVNE] Mr. Maiden > Hi Lorraine, > > Silly little bit of trivia about James Maiden. > > Maiden's Punt was the name of one of the earliest Victorian Post Offices, > opened on 1st March 1848, but uniquely, the post office was actually on the > New South Wales side of the Murray, near present day Moama, and was named > after James Maiden, who operated a punt service across the river. On > 1.1.1855 it was transferred to the New South Wales Postal Department, and a > new Victorian Post Office names Hopwood's Punt (lated renamed to Echuca) > opened on the Victorian side of the river. > (Source: Victoria: The "Butterfly" and "Barred Oval" Cancellations > 1850-1855. JRW Purves) > > Mike Skurrie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lorraine Key" <keyman@net2000.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 2:33 PM > Subject: Re: [AVNE] Mr. Maiden > > > > Hi Denise > > Do you have any other information on Mr Maiden. > > His name was James Maiden and I'm researching the family. > > Regards Lorraine > > > > Denise McMahon wrote: > > > > > the real version is in On This Day in the North EAst - G Jones > > > > > > on 27th February 1868 the north east had an earthquake. Only lasted 4 > or 5 seconds but enough to scare the daylights out of grandma. > > > > > > Buildings shook and the cuppa rattled. > > > > > > The Waves appeared to moved in a north to south direction, Beechworth, > Stanley, Chiltern and WAng all reported rockin'rollin. > > > > > > It had happened in 1858 when a quake rolled across from Campaspe to the > Murray in 58. > > > Mr. Maiden was rowing across the river near present day Moama, and > according to tales at the time, the tidal wave nearly overturned his boat! > > > > > > Was it compulsory to have life jackets???? > > > > > > Denise > > > >

Hi Nandina Many thanks for your help and kind offer. I am afraid my searching would take a while though. It mainly involves tracking my activities, sport, Apex, work etc during the perid mentioned. Regards Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "nandina morris" <nandina@alphalink.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [AVNE] Benalla Newspapers > Ron, the Benalla Ensign is at the State Library for that time period. If it > transpires that there are no local repositories, I don't mind looking > something up for you. That is, as long as it's not urgent. (Just up and > down a bit, healthwise). I am a frequent visitor of the SLV. > > Cheers, > > Nandina > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron Blair <rmblair@dcsi.net.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:55 AM > Subject: [AVNE] Benalla Newspapers > > > > Can anyone tell me if the Benalla Ensign and Benalla Standard for the > period 1960-1965 are on file somewhere in Benalla, and if so, how can I > access them. > > > > Ron Blair > > Brandy Creek 3820 > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.333 / Virus Database: 187 - Release Date: 3/8/02 >

Hi Bron Many thanks. Do you know of a contact for the Benalla Historical Society? Regards Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony & Bronwen Smith" <tsmith@netc.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [AVNE] Benalla Newspapers > Hi Ron, > I think the Benalla historical society has these, but do not know if they are publicly accessable. > Bron. > > Ron Blair wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me if the Benalla Ensign and Benalla Standard for the period 1960-1965 are on file somewhere in Benalla, and if so, how can I access them. > > > > Ron Blair > > Brandy Creek 3820 > >

Sorry Lorraine, I don't - this was taken from On this Day in the North East. HOpe a little bit of "fluff" helps the family story Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorraine Key" <keyman@net2000.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [AVNE] Mr. Maiden > Hi Denise > Do you have any other information on Mr Maiden. > His name was James Maiden and I'm researching the family. > Regards Lorraine > > Denise McMahon wrote: > > > the real version is in On This Day in the North EAst - G Jones > > > > on 27th February 1868 the north east had an earthquake. Only lasted 4 or 5 seconds but enough to scare the daylights out of grandma. > > > > Buildings shook and the cuppa rattled. > > > > The Waves appeared to moved in a north to south direction, Beechworth, Stanley, Chiltern and WAng all reported rockin'rollin. > > > > It had happened in 1858 when a quake rolled across from Campaspe to the Murray in 58. > > Mr. Maiden was rowing across the river near present day Moama, and according to tales at the time, the tidal wave nearly overturned his boat! > > > > Was it compulsory to have life jackets???? > > > > Denise >

Through my research into the Wilberforce family, I have the following certificates that include people other than my family. I am happy to provide copies to other researchers of these families. My email address is coradsl@tpgi.com.au. BIRTHS STANLEY 1891/2 COOK Stanley George 21 NOV 1891 CUMMINS Christopher George 9 FEB 1892 (Looks like Cummins or Cummings) GIFFORD Andrew John 12 FEB 1892 BIRTHS BEECHWORTH 1858 WILLIAMS James 29 Jan 1858 PERKINS Charles Oliver 8 Feb 1858 JOHNSON Richard (?) John 8 Feb 1858 CATTS Henry 20 Jan 1858 DEATHS STANLEY 1894 IVERS Nicholas 28 Oct 1894 SKINNER (Infant) Selma 1 Nov 1894 LYONS (Infant) Gertrude Florence 29 Dec 1894 DEATHS BEECHWORTH 1882 BASSE (?) Mary Anne 23 March 1882 BARBER Charles 23 March 1882 WILLEY Laura 25 March 1882 BUTLER or BUTTER Arthur Leapold 25 March 1882 MARRIAGES BEECHWORTH 1857 McLACHLAN Robert and McKIENDRICK Elizabeth 4 March 1857 KOFS (or GOFS) David Milne and PERKINS Mary 20 Feb 1857 Carol Dale Surname Interests - Wilberforce, Ashdown, Prismall, Craig, Stewart, Taylor, McCracken, Grant etc.

I have a spare birth certificate for the Beechworth area that has the following listed on it. (ordered by mistake looking for birth of a Margaret Grant, wrong one). GRAY John Henry born 1 March Father John GRAY, mother ? Hunter Gelt GRAY, formerly ORR GRANT Margaret born 10 March Father James GRANT, Mother Margaret GRANT, formerly MELDRUM LISSA(c)K Adolphus born 22 Feb Father Adolphus Henry LISSA(c)K, Mother Madelaine Henrietta LISSA(c)K, formerly MITCHELL BENSON Hannah Margaret born 19 March Father Arthur BENSON, Mother Margaret BENSON formerly MORGAN BRINER Sarah Jane born 4 Apr Father William BRINER, Mother Mary Ann BRINER formerly WHYATT If anybody is interested, please email me off list and I will provide copy. Email address is coradsl@tpgi.com.au. Carol Dale researching Grants, Wilberforce, Stewart, Ashdown, Taylor, McCracken, and Fogarty.

Chris, Our names are John & Lyn Read from Qld. We would like to thank you for a job well done with the Bios keep up the good work. Best wishes John & Lyn

Hi Denise Do you have any other information on Mr Maiden. His name was James Maiden and I'm researching the family. Regards Lorraine Denise McMahon wrote: > the real version is in On This Day in the North EAst - G Jones > > on 27th February 1868 the north east had an earthquake. Only lasted 4 or 5 seconds but enough to scare the daylights out of grandma. > > Buildings shook and the cuppa rattled. > > The Waves appeared to moved in a north to south direction, Beechworth, Stanley, Chiltern and WAng all reported rockin'rollin. > > It had happened in 1858 when a quake rolled across from Campaspe to the Murray in 58. > Mr. Maiden was rowing across the river near present day Moama, and according to tales at the time, the tidal wave nearly overturned his boat! > > Was it compulsory to have life jackets???? > > Denise

Yes, but who was the best???? slave - just back from holiday -------Original Message------- From: AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, 20 February 2002 05:11:36 PM To: AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [AVNE] O"Brien Looking for anything/anyone relating to John O'Brien who was brought up in Beechworth and raised his own family there. I believe he left Beechworth for Sydney and there was a farewell reported in the newspaper. He was an employee of Crawford & Co. as accountant. Sorry, move over Becks. Denise

Can anyone tell me if the Benalla Ensign and Benalla Standard for the period 1960-1965 are on file somewhere in Benalla, and if so, how can I access them. Ron Blair Brandy Creek 3820

Jackie Qld. I have come across some references to Stafford and William Downing of Woods Point, if these are yours and you want further info please contact me off list. Cheers Barb Bateson Secretary -- Jamieson & District Historical Society Inc. PO Box 26, Jamieson 3723 Phone 03 57770690 Fax 03 5777 0892 jdhs@mansfield.net.au www.vicnet.net.au/~jdhs

Chris, Our names are John & Lyn Read we would like to thank you for a job well done keep up the good work. Best wishes John & Lyn.

Royal Veterinary Shoeing Forge Wangaratta Brown and Dobson Beg to inform the inhabitants of Wangaratta and district that they have taken over from Mr. John Hume his Blacksmithing Establishment, where in future they will carry on the business of General Blacksmiths. Horse-shoeing a speciality, one of the best shoers in the colony being entrusted with this branch of the business Note the address - Brown and Dobson General Blacksmiths Murphy Street Wangaratta