>Hello Listers Found in VPRS 880, unit 61, letter # 55/658 dated 17 May 1855 A petition from locals for the formation of a national school (not sorted alpha, sorry) Pearson THOMPSON barrister William w KING solicitor Francis PARFUTE solicitor Robert KEMP tinsmith Watkins LOCKYER wine & spirit merchant James DON upholsterer Thomas J POWNALL Edward W COLE John MAGUIRE George EVANS builder R ANDREWS R W SCHMIDT medical MD Thomas LITTLE storekeeper George ISAACS wine merchant Allen O'HEA chemist & druggist Richard LEAR tinsmith James HOOPER George BLYTH William Bridge COLLINS storekeeper John BURNETT draper William UPHILL draper COHEN & RICHARDS Tom ADAMS George RYLAND Thomas McGRATH medical MD William FROOMES Joseph DAVIS Basil McLELLAN James SULLIVAN wine merchant Duncan FULLERTON storekeeper Campbell's Creek John HAYES Edward E MARSH William MARSH J FARRAN J SIMESON G CAVENAGH J PEARCE G HARPER A WEBB George WEBB Joseph BALL William WATTS William SNADDON Joseph PATERSON David MARTIN T ALLEN William STEVENS John PUGH C TAYLOR Ralph BAMBER Henry HARDING T HICKS Donald McPHERSON Charles GLEN butcher Charles BURCH builder William TROONY James PEACHY James LLOYD Alex McLEAN Peter S SMITH Regards Ada regards, Ada Ackerly, Melbourne, Australia formerly Ackerly DocuSearch

Dear Carmel That is exactly what I needed to know - many thanks. On an "inherited" family tree, I had a Mary McMannus being born at Murnungee station - and we all jumped to the conclusion that we were talking about railways : ) Not much point in a station with no track! Mary married Henry Lowerson, and became the mother of Albert, the famous local VC winner. Thanks again Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: Carmel Hickson <carmick1@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [AVNE] Murmungee & McMaster > Susan > During the 1860s and part of the 1870s, my g.grandfather Johnson > Quin held the lease on Murmungee Run until the Land Acts came into force. On > a survey map I have of tha area it shows A. McMaster holding 20 acres in > 1888 and J.McMaster holding 19ares3 roods and 34 perches on the Qvens River > at the boundary of Murmungee.This is all I can find as regards their land > ownership > Carmel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Baines" <susanbaines@lineone.net> > To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 5:53 PM > Subject: [AVNE] Murmungee & McMaster > > > > Looking for information about an Andrew and/or J McMaster, who may have > > owned/run a station at Murmungee. Many thanks. Susan > > > > > >

From ON this Day in the N/E G Jones January 28th 1915 At 5 am the old and not-long-delicensed Royal Oak Hotel at Carraragarmungee caught alight and was destroyed. Mrs. Mull who had the license for over 30 years still lived in the building. A lamp she kept burning in her room overnight exploded. 13th March 1976 A chance for ex pupils of the little Carraragarmungee School to get together with old Byawatha-ites for two days of celebrations. more than 500 ex pupils ex teachers and families turned up the oldest ex student being Mrs. Rose Bullied, 92, of Wang. 5th Oct. 1906 A Carraragarmungee pioneer of long standing, Richard Sammon, died on this day 1906. He had migrated to Victoria46 years earlier with his brother the late Joseph Sammon Richard was 69 nine years of age at his death. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hollingshead" <hollies@melbpc.org.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 5:06 PM Subject: [AVNE] Carragarmungee > I have just found a record of the sale of the Tarrawinggee Mill and also > some land belonging in the 1870's to James Tinning in Carragarmungee > > "PROPERTY SALES > Mr Geo. Phillipson Jun., sold be auction on Saturday last at the Commercial > hotel , Wangaratta the T arrawingee flour mill, with cottage, grain store & > lately in possession of Mr Alex. Clements. The attendance was considerable, > and the property after some bidding was knocked down to Mr. John Smith, for > the sum of £ 1200. > > The same auctioneer sold some 91 acres of land at Carragarmungee to Mr John > Peppard jun. at £ 3.2 s. per acre" > > I didn't know it was at Carragarmungee. I have heard mention of it on the > list but have no record of > it so I thought I will have to do some research on that. > > I went to the trusty Google with very poor results. Could anyone help with > some information about this property please > > Anne > > > >

From Wangaratta - City of. D.M. Whittaker "Surveyor T S Townsend wrote on arrival in Melbourne from Yass dated 19th September 1939. "On the right bank of the Ovens is the station of Dr. Reid (Carrarrargamongee) 4 miles fruther is Bowman's (Tarrawingee) and 8 miles further is Dr. Mackay's station (Warroly or Warroughly) Grey has a station about 7 miles upon the left bank (The Pelican) and Faithfull about 7 miles further up on that side (Wangaratta)." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hollingshead" <hollies@melbpc.org.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 5:06 PM Subject: [AVNE] Carragarmungee > I have just found a record of the sale of the Tarrawinggee Mill and also > some land belonging in the 1870's to James Tinning in Carragarmungee > > "PROPERTY SALES > Mr Geo. Phillipson Jun., sold be auction on Saturday last at the Commercial > hotel , Wangaratta the T arrawingee flour mill, with cottage, grain store & > lately in possession of Mr Alex. Clements. The attendance was considerable, > and the property after some bidding was knocked down to Mr. John Smith, for > the sum of £ 1200. > > The same auctioneer sold some 91 acres of land at Carragarmungee to Mr John > Peppard jun. at £ 3.2 s. per acre" > > I didn't know it was at Carragarmungee. I have heard mention of it on the > list but have no record of > it so I thought I will have to do some research on that. > > I went to the trusty Google with very poor results. Could anyone help with > some information about this property please > > Anne > > > >

I have just found a record of the sale of the Tarrawinggee Mill and also some land belonging in the 1870's to James Tinning in Carragarmungee "PROPERTY SALES Mr Geo. Phillipson Jun., sold be auction on Saturday last at the Commercial hotel , Wangaratta the T arrawingee flour mill, with cottage, grain store & lately in possession of Mr Alex. Clements. The attendance was considerable, and the property after some bidding was knocked down to Mr. John Smith, for the sum of £ 1200. The same auctioneer sold some 91 acres of land at Carragarmungee to Mr John Peppard jun. at £ 3.2 s. per acre" I didn't know it was at Carragarmungee. I have heard mention of it on the list but have no record of it so I thought I will have to do some research on that. I went to the trusty Google with very poor results. Could anyone help with some information about this property please Anne

Corinne, I'm not sure that I can make sense of this, but this is all I've found... Elizabeth Pee (could be Patience, or Penelope?) CHAPPELL (dau of John MADDERN & Honor HARVEY) died at Pine Grove 1914, "age 24", Reg #11261. Therefor born ca 1890. I would have to query her stated age at death, as her marriage #4047 (if of course she's the same person) was as Elizabeth OSBORNE (born Cornwall) to Richard James CHAPPEL ( born at Cambrian Hill, Vic) was in 1893. They had a daughter Ivy Elizabeth CHAPPELL at Dandenong in 1906 (#26108). I know. I don't understand it either. Hope I haven't got you on a wrong track. Peter Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: Corinne Thompson <visualarts@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 9:43 PM Subject: [AVNE] VIC. MARRIAGE LOOK UP PLEASE. > > > Hello Friends, > > Would some very, very kind person please do me a favour? > > Word has it that PEE (or Patience) OSBORNE (nee Maddern) may have remarried > after her husband died in 1907 ...... and that that is why I have never been > able to find her death recorded anywhere. > > Could some kind person see if they can find her remarrying? > > Kindest Regards ...... Corinne in Melbourne. > > > > > >

Looking for information about an Andrew and/or J McMaster, who may have owned/run a station at Murmungee. Many thanks. Susan

Hello Denise, Thank you for helping me with this ...... I have been looking for this lady (my gg aunt) for nearly three years. Her father was William Maddern ...... her mother Phillis Maddern. PEE MADDERN baptised 25/11/1832 in St. Buryan, Cornwall Married THOMAS OSBORNE in 1853 in Geelong, Victoria Thomas died on 20/8/1907 in Melbourne, Victoria, and is buried in The Melbourne General Cemetery. His wife has not been buried with him, I think that (from memory) his brother is in the same grave. Which would support the info that I have just been given re her re-marrying, in spite of her age. Their children were: (i) Gertrude Geneva Osborne born 1855 in Newtown, Geelong, Victoria (ii) Thomas Arthur Davenport Osborne born 1858 in Ashby, Victoria I would also be grateful if you can find anything re either of her children. Kindest regards ...... Corinne. > Corrine what were her parents full names? > Denise >> >> Hello Friends, >> >> Would some very, very kind person please do me a favour? >> >> Word has it that PEE (or Patience) OSBORNE (nee Maddern) may have > remarried >> after her husband died in 1907 ...... and that that is why I have never > been >> able to find her death recorded anywhere. >> >> Could some kind person see if they can find her remarrying? >> >> Kindest Regards ...... Corinne in Melbourne. >> >> >> >> >> >> >

Corrine what were her parents full names? Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corinne Thompson" <visualarts@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 9:43 PM Subject: [AVNE] VIC. MARRIAGE LOOK UP PLEASE. > > > Hello Friends, > > Would some very, very kind person please do me a favour? > > Word has it that PEE (or Patience) OSBORNE (nee Maddern) may have remarried > after her husband died in 1907 ...... and that that is why I have never been > able to find her death recorded anywhere. > > Could some kind person see if they can find her remarrying? > > Kindest Regards ...... Corinne in Melbourne. > > > > > >

Hello Friends, Would some very, very kind person please do me a favour? Word has it that PEE (or Patience) OSBORNE (nee Maddern) may have remarried after her husband died in 1907 ...... and that that is why I have never been able to find her death recorded anywhere. Could some kind person see if they can find her remarrying? Kindest Regards ...... Corinne in Melbourne.

Woops..I forgot the URL !! http://www.tourisminternet.com.au/bwrail.htm Stewy

Greetings all, following up on Paulines's posting I was surfing and came across this interesting item, just don't ask me how I got there ! Stewy ----- Original Message ----- From: "PAULINE SHIPTON" <paulineshipton@iprimus.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [AVNE] Towns no longer > Hi Denise and Mike, > As a matter of interest, Gooramadda Park is up for auction..............SNIP

And we can all come stay next circus and have a "dig" for stamps Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "PAULINE SHIPTON" <paulineshipton@iprimus.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [AVNE] Towns no longer > Hi Denise and Mike, > As a matter of interest, Gooramadda Park is up for auction. The Border Mail > has a half-page write up on it, and if you go to www.elders.com.au/albury > you should be able to view it. > "The original Gooramadda school house is also located on the property...." > So maybe if you buy it Mike, you might find one of the postal markings :-)) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Skurrie" <mskurrie@bigpond.net.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, 13 April 2002 12:45 > Subject: Re: [AVNE] Towns no longer > > > > Hi Denise, > > > > Gooramadda (10 km NE of Rutherglen) had a Post Office from 1/10/1879 until > > 15/12/1965. Nothing that I know of recorded for Carlyle or Haines. There > are > > four recorded postal markings recorded for Gooramadda. The first is a > barred > > numeral, (there are similarities to the 778 canceller for Wooragee, but > also > > huge, and most interesting, differences); its number was 1144. For numbers > > between 1000 and 1600, the numbers had Roman Numerals for the thousand and > > hundred part of the cancallation, then Roman Numerals indicated the tens > and > > one's. Gooramadda's looked something like: > > > > ------ > > -- MC -- > > ------------ > > -- 44 -- > > ------ > > > > If you come across one for sale, I'm a most interested buyer. > > > > The other three markings are more conventional in the sense of what we're > > used to in (hand applied) postmarks: > > > > All had GOORAMADDA in a semicircle as the top of the cancellation; > dateline > > in a straight line across the middle > > > > First type had VICTORIA in a semicircle as the bottom of the cancellation; > > it had no outer frame line and was used as a backstamp for letters > > postmarked with the MC44 Barred numeral. > > > > Second recorded type had an outer frame line and VIC in a semicircle as > the > > bottom of the cancellation. > > > > Third recorded type had an outer frame line and VIC. (note the full stop) > > in a semicircle as the bottom of the cancellation. Neither of these latter > > cancellations is easy to find. > > > > Mike Skurrie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Denise McMahon" <helendmc@powerup.com.au> > > To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 9:46 PM > > Subject: [AVNE] Towns no longer > > > > > > > Calyle, Gooramadda, Haines - all near Rutherglen were surveyed, sold, > and > > completely invisible. > > > > > > Carlyle was the largest of these three towns surveyed last century by > the > > government into over one hundred allotments. All allotments were sold and > > yet the town as never settled, except for the odd blacksmiths shop or > hotel. > > > > > > Gooramadda nd Haines suffered a similar fate - people just never ever > came > > to live there. Part of the odl township of Carlyle lies under the vines > of > > All Saints Vineyard. > > > > > >

Hi Denise, Gooramadda (10 km NE of Rutherglen) had a Post Office from 1/10/1879 until 15/12/1965. Nothing that I know of recorded for Carlyle or Haines. There are four recorded postal markings recorded for Gooramadda. The first is a barred numeral, (there are similarities to the 778 canceller for Wooragee, but also huge, and most interesting, differences); its number was 1144. For numbers between 1000 and 1600, the numbers had Roman Numerals for the thousand and hundred part of the cancallation, then Roman Numerals indicated the tens and one's. Gooramadda's looked something like: ------ -- MC -- ------------ -- 44 -- ------ If you come across one for sale, I'm a most interested buyer. The other three markings are more conventional in the sense of what we're used to in (hand applied) postmarks: All had GOORAMADDA in a semicircle as the top of the cancellation; dateline in a straight line across the middle First type had VICTORIA in a semicircle as the bottom of the cancellation; it had no outer frame line and was used as a backstamp for letters postmarked with the MC44 Barred numeral. Second recorded type had an outer frame line and VIC in a semicircle as the bottom of the cancellation. Third recorded type had an outer frame line and VIC. (note the full stop) in a semicircle as the bottom of the cancellation. Neither of these latter cancellations is easy to find. Mike Skurrie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise McMahon" <helendmc@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 9:46 PM Subject: [AVNE] Towns no longer > Calyle, Gooramadda, Haines - all near Rutherglen were surveyed, sold, and completely invisible. > > Carlyle was the largest of these three towns surveyed last century by the government into over one hundred allotments. All allotments were sold and yet the town as never settled, except for the odd blacksmiths shop or hotel. > > Gooramadda nd Haines suffered a similar fate - people just never ever came to live there. Part of the odl township of Carlyle lies under the vines of All Saints Vineyard. >

Hi Denise and Mike, As a matter of interest, Gooramadda Park is up for auction. The Border Mail has a half-page write up on it, and if you go to www.elders.com.au/albury you should be able to view it. "The original Gooramadda school house is also located on the property...." So maybe if you buy it Mike, you might find one of the postal markings :-)) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Skurrie" <mskurrie@bigpond.net.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 13 April 2002 12:45 Subject: Re: [AVNE] Towns no longer > Hi Denise, > > Gooramadda (10 km NE of Rutherglen) had a Post Office from 1/10/1879 until > 15/12/1965. Nothing that I know of recorded for Carlyle or Haines. There are > four recorded postal markings recorded for Gooramadda. The first is a barred > numeral, (there are similarities to the 778 canceller for Wooragee, but also > huge, and most interesting, differences); its number was 1144. For numbers > between 1000 and 1600, the numbers had Roman Numerals for the thousand and > hundred part of the cancallation, then Roman Numerals indicated the tens and > one's. Gooramadda's looked something like: > > ------ > -- MC -- > ------------ > -- 44 -- > ------ > > If you come across one for sale, I'm a most interested buyer. > > The other three markings are more conventional in the sense of what we're > used to in (hand applied) postmarks: > > All had GOORAMADDA in a semicircle as the top of the cancellation; dateline > in a straight line across the middle > > First type had VICTORIA in a semicircle as the bottom of the cancellation; > it had no outer frame line and was used as a backstamp for letters > postmarked with the MC44 Barred numeral. > > Second recorded type had an outer frame line and VIC in a semicircle as the > bottom of the cancellation. > > Third recorded type had an outer frame line and VIC. (note the full stop) > in a semicircle as the bottom of the cancellation. Neither of these latter > cancellations is easy to find. > > Mike Skurrie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denise McMahon" <helendmc@powerup.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 9:46 PM > Subject: [AVNE] Towns no longer > > > > Calyle, Gooramadda, Haines - all near Rutherglen were surveyed, sold, and > completely invisible. > > > > Carlyle was the largest of these three towns surveyed last century by the > government into over one hundred allotments. All allotments were sold and > yet the town as never settled, except for the odd blacksmiths shop or hotel. > > > > Gooramadda nd Haines suffered a similar fate - people just never ever came > to live there. Part of the odl township of Carlyle lies under the vines of > All Saints Vineyard. > > >

Calyle, Gooramadda, Haines - all near Rutherglen were surveyed, sold, and completely invisible. Carlyle was the largest of these three towns surveyed last century by the government into over one hundred allotments. All allotments were sold and yet the town as never settled, except for the odd blacksmiths shop or hotel. Gooramadda nd Haines suffered a similar fate - people just never ever came to live there. Part of the odl township of Carlyle lies under the vines of All Saints Vineyard.

One hundred odd years ago, a local inventor solved a fueld crisis in Wang by making a machine that generated power for the Albion hotel - on fat! This wonder of a machine ran on fat and was the invention of Mr. Wilson the Wangaratta Plumber. He built a gasgenerator, installed it in the hotel in 1886. Albion's chandelier was lit by this gas. One pound of rich fat = 100 fee of gas. It worked and the patrons were amazed. Taken from People Places and Things of the n/east - G Jones.

I don't believe it but I think I've found an ad for the hotel where my ggmum was employed. Only a couple of months ago I found what I think is her arrival in Australia and then to beechworth. She was employed by the Beechworth Arms. When down at the circus I had my head in the OVens and Murray Advertiser and copied a page with something I wanted on it. Or rather half a page. I have just noticed half an ad which refers to "Arms Hotel.....Creek. and mentions Mrs. The woman who employed gmum according to her assisted shipping info, was a Mrs. Wigman, or perhaps a Mrs. Wyman - it was hard to read. Now this ad, refers to a Mrs and Arms Hotel and Creek (Beechworth). Is anyone going to do any researching of the O and M and could look up this paper for me. I don't have the exact date but it was in September 1857 as one of the ads is dated 17th September 1857 referring to a date coming up soon. I know this is a long shot but on the page is another ad which is for THE ROYAL HORSE BAZAAR in Ford St. and The Wooragay Horse Paddock. (large print for the headers). The ad is 3 colums left of the above ads. I know it is a long shot, but please if anyone can spare the time, I'd be so appreciative. I'm curious because I can see words like :Free and Easy Twice a Week" ments thrughout the house immediate superintendence of Mrs. second to none in the sitrict first importers in Melbourne Table, free The mind is boggling. This may give me a bit more of a lead on ggmum. regards Denise

This was dated 18.10.1864 > A:::::::::::::"Wanted a SLAUGHTERING butcher. Must be a thoroughly competent > man and one accustomed to ride. > Apply to Charles Thornton Magpie Swamp, Wooragee" DATED September 1857 > B::::::::::::::::GRAZING PADDOCK > A 500 acre PADDOCK at WOORAJAY, > which has been improving all this winter > IS NOW OPEN > for the accommodation of > HORSES at 5 PER WEEK > apply to Mr THORNTON, > at Woorajay Station THIS ONE is dated 18/10/1864 also > C::::::::::::::::::::::EUREKA > Will stand this season at > MAGPIE SWAMP WOORAGEE > This horse is of BRIGHT.......... chestnut colour without a spick. > Stands over 16 hands high and possesses great bone and muscle. He was bred > by Mr McAllister of Albury and got by ETHER out of a favourite mare Miss > Slater. Both mare and dam are of the best blood in the colonies. > Terms Three guineas each mare , one mare in five given in > > Any mare served by Eureka this year and not having proven in foal will have > his service this year for half price. > A large and secure PADDOCK with abundant grass and water. > The greatest care taken without responsibility. > All mares to be taken away before the 1st January 1865. #####NOTE 1865 not 1855

My apologies to the list for sending my mail for Denise to the list instead of to her personally. I was in too much of a hurry closing down Anne