Going by my trusty gold mining map - its just on the other side of the railway station so to speak - not ks out. Throwing nuggets here zip. Where Camp Street (which becomes Albert?) crosses over Spring Creek cum RAilway Station head straight out Road to left takes you to STanley. DOn't go down there, keep going up. This road "ends" and a road to the left and a road to the right. Both these left and right roads join up the top. In middle is Madman Bully running down to the STanley Road. Are you lost yet? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Ross" <rossof@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [AVNE] Madman's Gully, Beechworth > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to think Madman'sGully is actually > crossed by the road out of Beechworth to Buckland Gap, and is indicated by a > sign. > > I'm guessing, but about 3 or 4 kms out? Steep hillsides, thick bush, lots > of obvious old diggings (as you'd expect). > > I'm going by my "memory", so feel free to throw things at me if I'm wrong. > (Abuse will be returned!). > > Peter R > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Denise McMahon <helendmc@powerup.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 1:33 PM > Subject: Re: [AVNE] Madman's Gully, Beechworth > > > > Sheila - I have a map with Mad Mans Gully on it. > > Happy to scan to you if you wish. It is just behind Lake Sambell > between > > the road to Stanley an the Buckland Gap Road. Obviously near the Asylum. > > > > Denise > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "The McKennas" <gozebs@tpg.com.au> > > To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 10:36 AM > > Subject: [AVNE] Madman's Gully, Beechworth > > > > > > > Hello Listers, > > > I am new to this list. I have an interest in the Beechworth area. My two > > > sets of gg grandparents - James and Mary Ann McNamara and James and > > > Roseanna Nolan - settled there in the middle 1850's. The McNamara' lived > > > at Madman's Gully, Spring Creek, Beechworth as stated on their death > > > certificates. I hope someone can tell me where this was as I can't find > > > Madman's Gully on any of my maps. > > > Thanks. > > > Sheila. > > > > > > Researching McNamara and Nolan with connections to Webb, Barrass and > > > Quinlan all in Beechworth. > > > > > > > > > >

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to think Madman'sGully is actually crossed by the road out of Beechworth to Buckland Gap, and is indicated by a sign. I'm guessing, but about 3 or 4 kms out? Steep hillsides, thick bush, lots of obvious old diggings (as you'd expect). I'm going by my "memory", so feel free to throw things at me if I'm wrong. (Abuse will be returned!). Peter R ----- Original Message ----- From: Denise McMahon <helendmc@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [AVNE] Madman's Gully, Beechworth > Sheila - I have a map with Mad Mans Gully on it. > Happy to scan to you if you wish. It is just behind Lake Sambell between > the road to Stanley an the Buckland Gap Road. Obviously near the Asylum. > > Denise > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The McKennas" <gozebs@tpg.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 10:36 AM > Subject: [AVNE] Madman's Gully, Beechworth > > > > Hello Listers, > > I am new to this list. I have an interest in the Beechworth area. My two > > sets of gg grandparents - James and Mary Ann McNamara and James and > > Roseanna Nolan - settled there in the middle 1850's. The McNamara' lived > > at Madman's Gully, Spring Creek, Beechworth as stated on their death > > certificates. I hope someone can tell me where this was as I can't find > > Madman's Gully on any of my maps. > > Thanks. > > Sheila. > > > > Researching McNamara and Nolan with connections to Webb, Barrass and > > Quinlan all in Beechworth. > > > > >

Sheila - I have a map with Mad Mans Gully on it. Happy to scan to you if you wish. It is just behind Lake Sambell between the road to Stanley an the Buckland Gap Road. Obviously near the Asylum. Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "The McKennas" <gozebs@tpg.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 10:36 AM Subject: [AVNE] Madman's Gully, Beechworth > Hello Listers, > I am new to this list. I have an interest in the Beechworth area. My two > sets of gg grandparents - James and Mary Ann McNamara and James and > Roseanna Nolan - settled there in the middle 1850's. The McNamara' lived > at Madman's Gully, Spring Creek, Beechworth as stated on their death > certificates. I hope someone can tell me where this was as I can't find > Madman's Gully on any of my maps. > Thanks. > Sheila. > > Researching McNamara and Nolan with connections to Webb, Barrass and > Quinlan all in Beechworth. > >

> Thanks Terry. Will borrow my friend's copy tomorrow. > Sheila. Terry & Eileen wrote: > The Vicroads Country Street Directory has a Madmans Gully Road, Beechworth > on map 325 Q 10 > > Terry > > > > >

Come to think of it - the Wilson one might be connected to my tree. The date, the name and the location suggest he may well have had the daughter Elizabeth who married one of the Newstead lads (RUSSELL of course). I'll do some ficheing and see what I can find. Cheers Nandina

The Vicroads Country Street Directory has a Madmans Gully Road, Beechworth on map 325 Q 10 Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "The McKennas" <gozebs@tpg.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 10:36 AM Subject: [AVNE] Madman's Gully, Beechworth > Hello Listers, > I am new to this list. I have an interest in the Beechworth area. My two > sets of gg grandparents - James and Mary Ann McNamara and James and > Roseanna Nolan - settled there in the middle 1850's. The McNamara' lived > at Madman's Gully, Spring Creek, Beechworth as stated on their death > certificates. I hope someone can tell me where this was as I can't find > Madman's Gully on any of my maps. > Thanks. > Sheila. > > Researching McNamara and Nolan with connections to Webb, Barrass and > Quinlan all in Beechworth. >

Hello Listers, I am new to this list. I have an interest in the Beechworth area. My two sets of gg grandparents - James and Mary Ann McNamara and James and Roseanna Nolan - settled there in the middle 1850's. The McNamara' lived at Madman's Gully, Spring Creek, Beechworth as stated on their death certificates. I hope someone can tell me where this was as I can't find Madman's Gully on any of my maps. Thanks. Sheila. Researching McNamara and Nolan with connections to Webb, Barrass and Quinlan all in Beechworth.

Kathy, Do you know if that book is still in print and where it might be available? Bonnie Joy Researching: Ferguson, Kerr, Wolstenholme, McKimmie in Australia. Ferguson, Kerr, Sloan, Welsh in Ayrshire. -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Myles [mailto:kmyles@alphalink.com.au] Sent: Friday, 17 May 2002 2:15 PM To: AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [AVNE] Glenmore Station Noeleen The book is Wangaratta 1824-1963 by D.M. Whittaker published 1963 Kathy --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/2002

Noeleen, I think Judy has this book. Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noeleen LLoyd" <noeleenlloyd@hotmail.com> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [AVNE] Glenmore Station > Thanks Kaye, > > the image would be great. > > Noeleen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kaye Patterson" <kayep@deakin.edu.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 5:06 PM > Subject: Re: [AVNE] Glenmore Station > > > > Hi Noeleen, > > > > from Robert Spreadborough & Hugh Anderson (1983) Victorian Squatters. > > GLENMORE > > By Tender Gazetted Aug 29 1851 > > James BELL > > 1857 Jul 20 Unoccupied > > 1859 Jan 1 Patrick AITKEN (Resumed by Tender) > > 1864 Sep James QUIN > > 1875 Jun 10 William LEWIS of Moyhu > > 1881 Mar 31 Forfeited > > > > from Ian Jones (1995) Ned Kelly. A Short Life. > > "....James QUINN was paying £2000 for Glenmore run on the King River - a > > realm of 20000 acres so wild that it could carry only 400 cattle. Ned > > KELLY's grandfather had become a squatter, cattle king of a 'remote and > > lofty monarchy'." > > "The spectacular crag, The Rock, which crowned the spur more than 1000 > feet > > above Glenmore and commanded an eagle's view of the King Valley in both > > directions, became known as Power's Lookout." > > > > from Government Gazette 10 Dec 1869 > > Run - Glenmore > > Occupier - James QUIN > > Amount payable for half-year ending 31st Dec 1869 - £25 > > > > Benalla Ensign, Saturday April 29, 1871 > > "The rents of the following runs in the Benalla District have been fixed > as > > follows:. Glenmore, J QUIN, £66 13s 4d..." > > > > I can also send you a jpg image (~200kb) that locates Glenmore in relation > > to the other runs around the area if you want it. > > Kaye > > > > > > At 12:34 17/05/2002 +1000, you wrote: > > >Hello everyone > > > > > >I am looking for any info on "GLENMORE STATION" that any one might have, > > >or know of. Any time frame. > > > > > >Any thoughts greatfully received > > > > > >Noeleen > > > > > > > > >

>From the Gazettes 24.8.1855 Wine and Spirit Merchants frm 1/12/1854 to 16/8/1855 who paid the Registration Fee - If you have rellies in towns other than listed below I will look them up - refer P188 24/8/1855 Robertson - Henry, Beechworth White - Joseph, Beechworth Meldrum - James, Wangaratta Leamount - Thomas, Wangaratta not too many given the amount of liqour outlets in the n/e. Information is requested by Mrs. McDonald of her husband John McDonald who went to the Ovens about the 7th January last (1855) and has not since been heard of. He is about 38 years old, 5'8" high, dark complexion, black hair, brown eyes, flat nose, pockmarked, lost a finer on right hand, and one on left hand, a Scotchman; arrived about 1830 in Sydney. Information to Mrs McD at the Plough Inn Great Bourke St Melbourne. ---------- Also listed are names of women who were on welfare while the hubby was away at the diggin'. Sydney and NSW get a lot of mention - Sydney Crime Report each week if anyone needs so info they may be able to search the Gazettes. -- A horse the property of Mr. Robert Wilson, was stolen from Tumut, on the 8th of July 1855, the animal is a bay horse, between 15 adn 16 hands high, with bang tail, and brandedGG on near shoulder. Mr. R Wilson of Tumut offers a reward of £1 for the recovery of same. John Sheridan alias Rodd and Patrick Brady have been stealing horses from the Tumut area and heading for Mitta Mitta Jacks near Ovens District Victoria. --- Information is requested of Paul Michan a young man, formerly o Orleans, France who has not been heard of by his relations since the 11/10/1853. About that time he wrought on the OvensGold Fields of the Colonly without success. He is said to have afterwards kept a pastry shop at Beechworth (YA THE BEECHWORTH BAKERY) and had as customers some Government officials. Prevous to his coming to Victoria he resided 3 years in England,. Infomraiton will be thankfully received by his father, addressed France, Monsieur Narcisse Gaucheron Michan, Boulanger ..Orleans, rue des carmes # 74, department du Roiret; or the Colonial Sec Office Melbourne Australia 5/9/1855 -------------

Thanks Kaye, the image would be great. Noeleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kaye Patterson" <kayep@deakin.edu.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [AVNE] Glenmore Station > Hi Noeleen, > > from Robert Spreadborough & Hugh Anderson (1983) Victorian Squatters. > GLENMORE > By Tender Gazetted Aug 29 1851 > James BELL > 1857 Jul 20 Unoccupied > 1859 Jan 1 Patrick AITKEN (Resumed by Tender) > 1864 Sep James QUIN > 1875 Jun 10 William LEWIS of Moyhu > 1881 Mar 31 Forfeited > > from Ian Jones (1995) Ned Kelly. A Short Life. > "....James QUINN was paying £2000 for Glenmore run on the King River - a > realm of 20000 acres so wild that it could carry only 400 cattle. Ned > KELLY's grandfather had become a squatter, cattle king of a 'remote and > lofty monarchy'." > "The spectacular crag, The Rock, which crowned the spur more than 1000 feet > above Glenmore and commanded an eagle's view of the King Valley in both > directions, became known as Power's Lookout." > > from Government Gazette 10 Dec 1869 > Run - Glenmore > Occupier - James QUIN > Amount payable for half-year ending 31st Dec 1869 - £25 > > Benalla Ensign, Saturday April 29, 1871 > "The rents of the following runs in the Benalla District have been fixed as > follows:. Glenmore, J QUIN, £66 13s 4d..." > > I can also send you a jpg image (~200kb) that locates Glenmore in relation > to the other runs around the area if you want it. > Kaye > > > At 12:34 17/05/2002 +1000, you wrote: > >Hello everyone > > > >I am looking for any info on "GLENMORE STATION" that any one might have, > >or know of. Any time frame. > > > >Any thoughts greatfully received > > > >Noeleen > > > >

Kathy, what book is that information out of? Noeleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Myles" <kmyles@alphalink.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [AVNE] Glenmore Station > Noeleen > A few bits that may be of interested. One result on my indexing the book. > Kathy > > From Wangaratta 1824-1963 > p.33(bio) > George Vincent, born dorsetshire 1780, died Wangaratta 1850, father of > Jacob, Jonathan and Isaac. 1841 migrated to NSW and settled at Unndarlo, > 1846 moved to Glenmore Station (near Whitfield), 1847 arrived Wangaratta and > settled. > > p.158(bio) > "Bogong Jack", probably John Paynter or Payne, butcher of Omeo. The most > successful of horse thieves, stealing horses in gippsland and bringing them > over the Alps to NSW. A diversion would be staged in Wangaratta and Bogong > Jack or one of his mates arrested by Sergeant Meyers but never detained > long. A Police post was established at Glenmore to stop this and Bogong Jack > eventually retired. > > p.161(bio) > James Quinn...A number of arrests of John Quinn, James Quinn Jun., and John > Lloyd, decided James Quinn Senior., in 1861 to sell out and move to Glenmore > at the head of the King River. This was on the direct route from Mansfield > to the Murray, and consequently frequented by cattle and horse thieves. > However, there was still trouble with the police and many of the family were > arrested and imprisoned. James Senior died on 22nd August, 1869, and the > station was later sold. there were disagreements amongst the various members > of the family and for some time a police post was set up near Glenmore. > > > > > Hello everyone > > > > I am looking for any info on "GLENMORE STATION" that any one might have, > or know of. Any time frame. > > > > Any thoughts greatfully received > > > > Noeleen > > > > > > > >

Denise If you need any help with the Maldon conection I may be able to help, only 7kms away and I have some records here. Di > Does anyone have any of these names in their file. I am afraid I don't know much more than is below but wish to contact anyone who can connect - > > T. O'Brien was a coach builder in Beechworth - still there in 1921 > > Frederick W. T. Plummer also from Beechworth - was in AIF > > Angus James - also in Beechworth 1921 > > Robert Wilson born 1861 in Maldon Vic, died in 1941 in Beechworth, worked in the north east. > > Sorry for the scant info, but this is all I have presently. > > Denise >

Does anyone have any of these names in their file. I am afraid I don't know much more than is below but wish to contact anyone who can connect - T. O'Brien was a coach builder in Beechworth - still there in 1921 Frederick W. T. Plummer also from Beechworth - was in AIF Angus James - also in Beechworth 1921 Robert Wilson born 1861 in Maldon Vic, died in 1941 in Beechworth, worked in the north east. Sorry for the scant info, but this is all I have presently. Denise

Anne. Maybe I should have added "within the years I was reading the gazette last night". Whilst I know B/worth was in its very early days in 1853 and 1854, it still amazes me that there wasn't more reported in the gazette. Ovens must have been as busy and must have had some the badies or the accidents or the murders, as Ballarat and Bendigo for which there are heaps of reports. Perhaps the reports were stolen ont he way to Melbourne!. A lot of 53 and 54 is taken up with absconders, names of people leaving police force or absonding/deserting. Ship deserters, escaped convicts, captured convicts, T/Leave escapees etc etc and also a lot of Qld and NSW and some Tassie reports. In fact if you have an absconder this is the place to look - they are really there by the thousands. You could be right, if Bob the Bushranger didn't taken 'em, where are they? There were police in B/worth by then. I'm nearly up to the time frame of Robert O Burke so perhaps things will improve. Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hollingshead" <hollies@melbpc.org.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [AVNE] Highway Robbery in the early days > Denise, > > I found the same with inquests. > Do you think they may be hidden away in some archive ?? > > Anne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denise McMahon" <helendmc@powerup.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, 17 May 2002 9:45 > Subject: [AVNE] Highway Robbery in the early days > > > > 13.1.1854 > > > > On the 3rd instant information was received at the Post Office Beechworth > that the Sydney Mail which had left Beechworth on the 31st ultimo, had been > stopped at Mullingandre by bushrangers and robbed. 18 registered letters > had been sent frm Beechworth by the mail. The following notes have been > stolen - 7 £50 P.O. notes drawn by John Taylor Manager of the Commercial > Bank Sydney in favor of T.R. Hutchinson Agent for the bank at Beechworth; > the numbers ran consecutively from 53 /74 to 53/83, and the whole of them > have written legibly across the face "to the credit of the Honorable > Colonial Treasurer, Sydney: also two ditto, ditto and marked in same manner, > and numbered 53/87 and53/88. > > > > > > Its amazing how LITTLE is on the Gazette for the Beechworth/Ovens > district. A couple regarding Albury, one for Kilmore but nothing in a 2 > month span except the above for north east. Perhaps the police were having > a hard time keeping up with it, to find time to report anything. > > > > > > > > > >

Denise, I found the same with inquests. Do you think they may be hidden away in some archive ?? Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise McMahon" <helendmc@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, 17 May 2002 9:45 Subject: [AVNE] Highway Robbery in the early days > 13.1.1854 > > On the 3rd instant information was received at the Post Office Beechworth that the Sydney Mail which had left Beechworth on the 31st ultimo, had been stopped at Mullingandre by bushrangers and robbed. 18 registered letters had been sent frm Beechworth by the mail. The following notes have been stolen - 7 £50 P.O. notes drawn by John Taylor Manager of the Commercial Bank Sydney in favor of T.R. Hutchinson Agent for the bank at Beechworth; the numbers ran consecutively from 53 /74 to 53/83, and the whole of them have written legibly across the face "to the credit of the Honorable Colonial Treasurer, Sydney: also two ditto, ditto and marked in same manner, and numbered 53/87 and53/88. > > > Its amazing how LITTLE is on the Gazette for the Beechworth/Ovens district. A couple regarding Albury, one for Kilmore but nothing in a 2 month span except the above for north east. Perhaps the police were having a hard time keeping up with it, to find time to report anything. > > > >

13.1.1854 On the 3rd instant information was received at the Post Office Beechworth that the Sydney Mail which had left Beechworth on the 31st ultimo, had been stopped at Mullingandre by bushrangers and robbed. 18 registered letters had been sent frm Beechworth by the mail. The following notes have been stolen - 7 £50 P.O. notes drawn by John Taylor Manager of the Commercial Bank Sydney in favor of T.R. Hutchinson Agent for the bank at Beechworth; the numbers ran consecutively from 53 /74 to 53/83, and the whole of them have written legibly across the face "to the credit of the Honorable Colonial Treasurer, Sydney: also two ditto, ditto and marked in same manner, and numbered 53/87 and53/88. Its amazing how LITTLE is on the Gazette for the Beechworth/Ovens district. A couple regarding Albury, one for Kilmore but nothing in a 2 month span except the above for north east. Perhaps the police were having a hard time keeping up with it, to find time to report anything.

Hello, I am new to this business and wonder of anyone has anything on a John Pearce, born in Albury abt 1842, married Mary Elizabeth Hart at Tarrawinge, Oct 1860, they had Emily, Ellen, William, Mary, Alice and John between 1860-1872. Mary's parents were William and Ellen Mahoney. Any info would be great, but I am having particular trouble finding John's birth & death certificates. I have their marriage certificate but am also unable to find John's parents - John & Mary Any help would be great Zola

Hi Noeleen, from Robert Spreadborough & Hugh Anderson (1983) Victorian Squatters. GLENMORE By Tender Gazetted Aug 29 1851 James BELL 1857 Jul 20 Unoccupied 1859 Jan 1 Patrick AITKEN (Resumed by Tender) 1864 Sep James QUIN 1875 Jun 10 William LEWIS of Moyhu 1881 Mar 31 Forfeited from Ian Jones (1995) Ned Kelly. A Short Life. "....James QUINN was paying £2000 for Glenmore run on the King River - a realm of 20000 acres so wild that it could carry only 400 cattle. Ned KELLY's grandfather had become a squatter, cattle king of a 'remote and lofty monarchy'." "The spectacular crag, The Rock, which crowned the spur more than 1000 feet above Glenmore and commanded an eagle's view of the King Valley in both directions, became known as Power's Lookout." from Government Gazette 10 Dec 1869 Run - Glenmore Occupier - James QUIN Amount payable for half-year ending 31st Dec 1869 - £25 Benalla Ensign, Saturday April 29, 1871 "The rents of the following runs in the Benalla District have been fixed as follows:… Glenmore, J QUIN, £66 13s 4d..." I can also send you a jpg image (~200kb) that locates Glenmore in relation to the other runs around the area if you want it. Kaye At 12:34 17/05/2002 +1000, you wrote: >Hello everyone > >I am looking for any info on "GLENMORE STATION" that any one might have, >or know of. Any time frame. > >Any thoughts greatfully received > >Noeleen >

Dear Doug, I have found great help from the following website http://land.vic.gov.au/ It has an interactive map (of Victoria) and allows you to search for a piece of land and then print out a copy of the details. You can also request copies of Certificates (current, not historical) which relate to the land. I don't know if this will help you but it may be useful to others. Catherine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug & Pat MacLaren-Smith" <youknow@nor.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 7:54 AM Subject: [AVNE] James Smith's Farm Church Lane Milawa > I need Help!! > When James Smith died 21 Oct 1915, he owned 240 acres of land made up of (4) > allotments > Lot (7) J Roberts & J Smith 56 acres > Lot (4) T & P Cochran 56 acres > Lot (3) T & P Cochran 64.0.25 acres > Lot (2) Robert Wood 64.0.25 acres 28-12-1857 > Total 240.0.50 acres > Does anyone know when these allotments were purchased by James Smith ? or > how I may find out ??