Peter Ido believe you've got it! The other place I knew which was Chewton and of that is over near Maryborough. So it fits in. Thanks, another bit falls into place Noeleen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Ross" <rossof@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [AVNE] place names > Noeleen, > > I believe Forest Creek was the early name of Castlemaine, Vic. Maybe the N > signified Castlemaine North? > > Peter R > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Noeleen LLoyd <noeleenlloyd@hotmail.com> > To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 5:17 PM > Subject: [AVNE] place names > > > > Hi everyone > > > > can anyone shed any light on where the following Victorian place names > might be > > > > (Taken from BDM's) > > > > FOREST CKN > > NORTH SHIELDS > > > > thanks > > > > Noeleen > > > > > >

Thank you Peter and I hope you keep kicking Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Ross" <rossof@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 7:17 PM Subject: [AVNE] Another book. > Seems I'm on a "book kick"! Sorry I'm a bit late with this. > > >From the Ovens & Kiewa Valley Echo, 15/5/2002............. > > " The official launch of Vivienne McWaters' book "Beechworth's Little Canton" will take place at the Chinese Protector's Office, Beechworth Historic & Cultural Precinct, 102 Ford St on Sunday May 19 at 2 pm. > > The book presents a fascinating insight into life on the goldfields for the Chinese and follows their story from the community's peak in 1860 through to the 1920s. > > The book details the highs and lows of Chinese life, from the pinnacle of their cultural, social and economic impact on a wild gold town, through to their demise as a small and isolated community". > > Peeter Ross > > > > > >

Seems I'm on a "book kick"! Sorry I'm a bit late with this. >From the Ovens & Kiewa Valley Echo, 15/5/2002............. " The official launch of Vivienne McWaters' book "Beechworth's Little Canton" will take place at the Chinese Protector's Office, Beechworth Historic & Cultural Precinct, 102 Ford St on Sunday May 19 at 2 pm. The book presents a fascinating insight into life on the goldfields for the Chinese and follows their story from the community's peak in 1860 through to the 1920s. The book details the highs and lows of Chinese life, from the pinnacle of their cultural, social and economic impact on a wild gold town, through to their demise as a small and isolated community". Peeter Ross

Noeleen, I believe Forest Creek was the early name of Castlemaine, Vic. Maybe the N signified Castlemaine North? Peter R ----- Original Message ----- From: Noeleen LLoyd <noeleenlloyd@hotmail.com> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 5:17 PM Subject: [AVNE] place names > Hi everyone > > can anyone shed any light on where the following Victorian place names might be > > (Taken from BDM's) > > FOREST CKN > NORTH SHIELDS > > thanks > > Noeleen > >

Jim Crow hat is mentined much in the Gazettes are as some other sort of hat I've typed up - wideawake. I wonder if Jim Crow has anythig to do with the miing area of same name near Daylesford or that way somewhere. D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Ross" <rossof@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [AVNE] Police Gazette Year 1856 > Hi Denise, > > Yes that was the James Osborne who settled here in 1840, owning most of the > country between Bruarong and Allans Flat, about 17,920 acres. His homestead > was "Tilingalong"... nothing remains now but a grove of trees. Osborne died > in 1868 and is buried in Yackandandah Cemetery, his headstone has a nice > portrait in bronze. > > Does anyone know what was a "jim crow hat"? Not that I want one, I'd just > like to know. > > Peter R > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Denise McMahon <helendmc@powerup.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 7:11 PM > Subject: [AVNE] Police Gazette Year 1856 > > > > Theft - Loughlin and Tracey One mile Creek Page 281 > > Escapee - Henry Turner Beechworth Gaol P285 > > Felony - James and John Whelan - Ambrose Kyte Beechworth P293 > > Perjury - Francis Johnston - Wangaratta P293 > > Ticket of Leave - Henry Jackson alia Henry Barney -Wangaratta P298 > > Wine and Spirit Merchant - Robertson and Kufford Beechworth P300 """" > "" Henry Clemenger WAngaratta P300 > > " " " Moore and Dunn, BeechworthP300 > > James Chalmers Beechworth P300 > > > > and one for Zipper Ross - > > > > Page 305 > > On the evening of the 20th instant the prmeises of Mr. James Osborne, > Yackandandah, were feloniously entered by five armed men, who fired at Mr. > Osborne, and gagged and bound him as also gagged and bound his wife, Mr. > James Morris, Mr. King and two of Mr. Osborne's servant-men, and thereafter > stole from Mrs. Osborne, £60 in notes, gold and silver, 2 silver watches, > several silver teaspoons marked A O; from Mr. King 2 £5 notes and 10 £1 > notes and some silver and from Mr. Morris £5 in gold and silver. > Description of 4 of the offenders: - > > 1st A man about 5'10" high, 30 years of age, long face, (would be if he > got caught) dark hair, small whiskers, and sallow complexion, wore a > waterproof coat and black jim crow hat; > > 2nd 5'6" high stout made, light complexion, Roman nose, broad cheek bones > and small light whiskers, dark shooting coat and dark jim crow hat > > 3rd. About 20 years of age, stout built, round face, red hair, no beard > or whiskers; > > 4th 5'8" high, about 35 years of age, very stout, dark complexion, hair > and whiskers, hoarse voice and speaks like a Yorkshireman. > > The 5th cannot be described. > > > > Information to the officer in charge of Police, Beechworth or officer in > charge of Detective Polcie Melbourne 26/8/1856 > > > > Is this Mr. Osborne Flats himself??? also see stout and this time made > > > > === > > > > > > > > > >

Hi everyone can anyone shed any light on where the following Victorian place names might be (Taken from BDM's) FOREST CKN NORTH SHIELDS thanks Noeleen

Hi Denise, Yes that was the James Osborne who settled here in 1840, owning most of the country between Bruarong and Allans Flat, about 17,920 acres. His homestead was "Tilingalong"... nothing remains now but a grove of trees. Osborne died in 1868 and is buried in Yackandandah Cemetery, his headstone has a nice portrait in bronze. Does anyone know what was a "jim crow hat"? Not that I want one, I'd just like to know. Peter R ----- Original Message ----- From: Denise McMahon <helendmc@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 7:11 PM Subject: [AVNE] Police Gazette Year 1856 > Theft - Loughlin and Tracey One mile Creek Page 281 > Escapee - Henry Turner Beechworth Gaol P285 > Felony - James and John Whelan - Ambrose Kyte Beechworth P293 > Perjury - Francis Johnston - Wangaratta P293 > Ticket of Leave - Henry Jackson alia Henry Barney -Wangaratta P298 > Wine and Spirit Merchant - Robertson and Kufford Beechworth P300 """" "" Henry Clemenger WAngaratta P300 > " " " Moore and Dunn, BeechworthP300 > James Chalmers Beechworth P300 > > and one for Zipper Ross - > > Page 305 > On the evening of the 20th instant the prmeises of Mr. James Osborne, Yackandandah, were feloniously entered by five armed men, who fired at Mr. Osborne, and gagged and bound him as also gagged and bound his wife, Mr. James Morris, Mr. King and two of Mr. Osborne's servant-men, and thereafter stole from Mrs. Osborne, £60 in notes, gold and silver, 2 silver watches, several silver teaspoons marked A O; from Mr. King 2 £5 notes and 10 £1 notes and some silver and from Mr. Morris £5 in gold and silver. Description of 4 of the offenders: - > 1st A man about 5'10" high, 30 years of age, long face, (would be if he got caught) dark hair, small whiskers, and sallow complexion, wore a waterproof coat and black jim crow hat; > 2nd 5'6" high stout made, light complexion, Roman nose, broad cheek bones and small light whiskers, dark shooting coat and dark jim crow hat > 3rd. About 20 years of age, stout built, round face, red hair, no beard or whiskers; > 4th 5'8" high, about 35 years of age, very stout, dark complexion, hair and whiskers, hoarse voice and speaks like a Yorkshireman. > The 5th cannot be described. > > Information to the officer in charge of Police, Beechworth or officer in charge of Detective Polcie Melbourne 26/8/1856 > > Is this Mr. Osborne Flats himself??? also see stout and this time made > > === > > > >

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Noleen, North Shields is most likely the one in Northumberland. England. Can't help with Forest CKN. Ken

All, > I hope someone can tell me where this was as I can't find > Madman's Gully on any of my maps. If you go to http://www.land.vic.gov.au/map/index.html and then search for Dingle Road, Beechworth, you will see Madman Gully in the centre of the map, heading up towards Lake Sambell. Paul ---- Paul Piko Piko Computing Consultants Phone: +61 3 9432 1222 Fax: +61 3 9432 1255 Email: paul@piko.com.au Web: http://www.piko.com.au

and circus performers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Ross" <rossof@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [AVNE] Madman's Gully, Beechworth > Yep, I know what you mean, but there's another connotation for Beechworth. > > Unfortunately, that used to be Beechworth's reputation ( my mother, in her > old age, didn't want to live there for that reason) but now it's entirely > the opposite. Full of artistic, creative people now! > > How times change. > > Peter R > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jennifer <jcrockett@optusnet.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 4:25 PM > Subject: Re: [AVNE] Madman's Gully, Beechworth > > > > < In the middle is Madman Bully running down to the Stanley Road.> > > > > > > The mind boggles. > > > > Jennifer > > > > >

Yep, I know what you mean, but there's another connotation for Beechworth. Unfortunately, that used to be Beechworth's reputation ( my mother, in her old age, didn't want to live there for that reason) but now it's entirely the opposite. Full of artistic, creative people now! How times change. Peter R ----- Original Message ----- From: Jennifer <jcrockett@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [AVNE] Madman's Gully, Beechworth > < In the middle is Madman Bully running down to the Stanley Road.> > > > The mind boggles. > > Jennifer > >

Ya can't miss it! ----- Original Message ----- From: Denise McMahon <helendmc@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [AVNE] Madman's Gully, Beechworth > Going by my trusty gold mining map - its just on the other side of the > railway station so to speak - not ks out. Throwing nuggets here zip. Where > Camp Street (which becomes Albert?) crosses over Spring Creek cum RAilway > Station head straight out Road to left takes you to STanley. DOn't go > down there, keep going up. This road "ends" and a road to the left and a > road to the right. Both these left and right roads join up the top. In > middle is Madman Bully running down to the STanley Road. > > Are you lost yet? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Ross" <rossof@ozemail.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 2:32 PM > Subject: Re: [AVNE] Madman's Gully, Beechworth > > > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to think Madman'sGully is actually > > crossed by the road out of Beechworth to Buckland Gap, and is indicated by > a > > sign. > > > > I'm guessing, but about 3 or 4 kms out? Steep hillsides, thick bush, lots > > of obvious old diggings (as you'd expect). > > > > I'm going by my "memory", so feel free to throw things at me if I'm wrong. > > (Abuse will be returned!). > > > > Peter R > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Denise McMahon <helendmc@powerup.com.au> > > To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 1:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [AVNE] Madman's Gully, Beechworth > > > > > > > Sheila - I have a map with Mad Mans Gully on it. > > > Happy to scan to you if you wish. It is just behind Lake Sambell > > between > > > the road to Stanley an the Buckland Gap Road. Obviously near the > Asylum. > > > > > > Denise > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "The McKennas" <gozebs@tpg.com.au> > > > To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 10:36 AM > > > Subject: [AVNE] Madman's Gully, Beechworth > > > > > > > > > > Hello Listers, > > > > I am new to this list. I have an interest in the Beechworth area. My > two > > > > sets of gg grandparents - James and Mary Ann McNamara and James and > > > > Roseanna Nolan - settled there in the middle 1850's. The McNamara' > lived > > > > at Madman's Gully, Spring Creek, Beechworth as stated on their death > > > > certificates. I hope someone can tell me where this was as I can't > find > > > > Madman's Gully on any of my maps. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Sheila. > > > > > > > > Researching McNamara and Nolan with connections to Webb, Barrass and > > > > Quinlan all in Beechworth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Wine and Spirits - MOrris and Ickerson Beechworth P310 Robertson and Kufford Beechworth 310 Henry Clemenger Wangaratta P310 Septimus West, BeechwrothP310 Moore and Dunn, Beechworth P310 James Chalmers, Beechworth P 310 Missing Friends William Alexander Turner from Liverpool P312 Escapee George Gee - Wangaratta (Ticket of Leave man) P329 Henry Connor / Henry McConnell - Wangaratta - T/L man P329 William Timbrey - Wangaratta T/L man P329 Henry Olding - Wangaratta - T/L man P329 Joseph Fisher - Wnagaratta - T/L man P329 above names were T/Leave men who failed to appear at their assigned destinations Wangaratta Highway Robbery Billy the Puntman rises again!!!! On the morning of the 14th September 1856, the mailman while proceeding from Wang to Benalla was feloniously stopped and robbed of the mail bags as also two horses carrying them, when nearGreen's Mail Station, between Greta (15 Mile Creek) and the 7 mIle Creek Wang. A man known as "Billy the puntman" is charged with committing the offence. He is abut 5'7" high, 35 or 40 years of age, black whiskers and moustache, walks lame. He was armed with a double barrelled gun and a revolver pistol. One of the animals stolen was a dark brown mare, WP near shoulder, but no description of the other has been received. P332 Billy probably still had a chip on his shoulder about the bridge being opened over the river, and the punt he worked, sank the same day! Insurance job, or vengenance? Letters from the following people were amongst those stolen - Henry Blume Edward Saul J. F. Giles J. Kowlan J. Giles Jos Davis R. Kanna Mr. Mayhew A Bagnall W.E. Murtagh L. Marcus John O'Neal Mary Brown Thos. Stebling Thos Slee Thos Jordan Mr. Penfraw S. Abbott A. Bagnall if you want to kow where the letters were supposed to go and to whom, quote the page # - Denise

Theft - Loughlin and Tracey One mile Creek Page 281 Escapee - Henry Turner Beechworth Gaol P285 Felony - James and John Whelan - Ambrose Kyte Beechworth P293 Perjury - Francis Johnston - Wangaratta P293 Ticket of Leave - Henry Jackson alia Henry Barney -Wangaratta P298 Wine and Spirit Merchant - Robertson and Kufford Beechworth P300 """" "" Henry Clemenger WAngaratta P300 " " " Moore and Dunn, BeechworthP300 James Chalmers Beechworth P300 and one for Zipper Ross - Page 305 On the evening of the 20th instant the prmeises of Mr. James Osborne, Yackandandah, were feloniously entered by five armed men, who fired at Mr. Osborne, and gagged and bound him as also gagged and bound his wife, Mr. James Morris, Mr. King and two of Mr. Osborne's servant-men, and thereafter stole from Mrs. Osborne, £60 in notes, gold and silver, 2 silver watches, several silver teaspoons marked A O; from Mr. King 2 £5 notes and 10 £1 notes and some silver and from Mr. Morris £5 in gold and silver. Description of 4 of the offenders: - 1st A man about 5'10" high, 30 years of age, long face, (would be if he got caught) dark hair, small whiskers, and sallow complexion, wore a waterproof coat and black jim crow hat; 2nd 5'6" high stout made, light complexion, Roman nose, broad cheek bones and small light whiskers, dark shooting coat and dark jim crow hat 3rd. About 20 years of age, stout built, round face, red hair, no beard or whiskers; 4th 5'8" high, about 35 years of age, very stout, dark complexion, hair and whiskers, hoarse voice and speaks like a Yorkshireman. The 5th cannot be described. Information to the officer in charge of Police, Beechworth or officer in charge of Detective Polcie Melbourne 26/8/1856 Is this Mr. Osborne Flats himself??? also see stout and this time made ===

Thank you Denise. I'd be very glad to receive a scan. I assumed it was near the Asylum. Thanks to everyone else who answered my query so promptly. This seems like a livewire group. Ta lots. Sheila. Denise McMahon wrote: > Sheila - I have a map with Mad Mans Gully on it. > Happy to scan to you if you wish. It is just behind Lake Sambell between > the road to Stanley an the Buckland Gap Road. Obviously near the Asylum. > > Denise > > > > >

Just me and my bad typing Jennifer. Ask Nandina! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer" <jcrockett@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-NE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [AVNE] Madman's Gully, Beechworth > < In the middle is Madman Bully running down to the Stanley Road.> > > > The mind boggles. > > Jennifer > >

< In the middle is Madman Bully running down to the Stanley Road.> The mind boggles. Jennifer