Hello, in particular Russell, Anne and Loretta! I shall be pleased to let you have some of the relevant details of my father's memoirs but I have to say most of it relates to life in the community of Colbinabbin and surrounding areas. Most of the Euroa interest is of the saw mills owned by Frank and Louie Farrell and the Euroa Progress Association of which my father was Secretary. There is also mention of the house he built in Foy Street (with a flat roof) - we lived in Kirkland Avenue. My parents were Ernie and Alice Hunt and I am the youngest of their three daughters. There are five long pages of this section which I will willingly type and send if you are all interested - please let me know. He also wrote a great deal about his involvement in the internment camps at Puckapunyal and Tatura - he helped to build the first camps in these vicinities. Margery (Windsor, England) PS. Can anyone remember a lady named Miss Philipps who was a music teacher - I still have my first sheets of music covered in gold stars - she scared the daylights out of me when I was about 9 years of age (I'm 70 next birthday!).

Hello List, I too seem to have missed this one. I too am very interested. Regards Russell --- Anne Hanson <[email protected]> wrote: > Margery, > > Somehow I seemed to have missed the e-mail about > your father's writings re > Euroa. I too am very interested. Please e-mail me at > [email protected] > > Thanks > > Anne Hanson > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com

Margery, Somehow I seemed to have missed the e-mail about your father's writings re Euroa. I too am very interested. Please e-mail me at [email protected] Thanks Anne Hanson

Dear Margery I would be very interested to read your father writings, particularly about the Euroa area. Can you please contact me at [email protected] Loretta in Euroa -------Original Message------- From: [email protected] Date: 03/07/05 21:47:20 To: [email protected] Subject: [AVNE] Re. Crown Land etc. If you don't mind me asking, Katrina, do you at present lease your property as a tenant and pay rent to the Vic. Government? If you would rather not answer this I quite understand. I find the topic really interesting. I thought you might find the following of interest:- My father left England in 1927 with his new wife and settled in Victoria. In 1986 a few years prior to his death I asked him to write down his memories of early life in Vic. and I quote from his writings: ""After the 1914/18 war the Vict. Government brought in the Closer Settlement Scheme whereby they divided large tracts of land into square mile holdings and any soldier returning from the war wishing to settle on the land was given one of these holdings, a house and grant with which to buy stock and machinery. A few years before we arrived on the scene (1927) the majority of the settlers went broke and just walked off their farms - so they were back in Government hands."" My father ended up on one of these farms in Burramboot, Colbinabbin, leasing the farm for 5 years with option of purchasing outright after that period. .. ""........Eventually I decided it was time to take up the option of buying the farm and applied to the Closer Settlement Board asking for their terms of purchase. Their reply came as a shock - they told us Government policy had changed and our option was no longer valid - the land was to be divided among neighbouring farmers who needed more land! They told him the option to purchase was not worth the paper it was written on.....""" My father's writings make interesting reading - there is a tremendous amount of detail about life around Colbinabbin, Swan Hill and Euroa, mentioning local names and events, so if anyone is keen to hear more please get in touch. Margery .

If you don't mind me asking, Katrina, do you at present lease your property as a tenant and pay rent to the Vic. Government? If you would rather not answer this I quite understand. I find the topic really interesting. I thought you might find the following of interest:- My father left England in 1927 with his new wife and settled in Victoria. In 1986 a few years prior to his death I asked him to write down his memories of early life in Vic. and I quote from his writings: ""After the 1914/18 war the Vict. Government brought in the Closer Settlement Scheme whereby they divided large tracts of land into square mile holdings and any soldier returning from the war wishing to settle on the land was given one of these holdings, a house and grant with which to buy stock and machinery. A few years before we arrived on the scene (1927) the majority of the settlers went broke and just walked off their farms - so they were back in Government hands."" My father ended up on one of these farms in Burramboot, Colbinabbin, leasing the farm for 5 years with option of purchasing outright after that period. . ""........Eventually I decided it was time to take up the option of buying the farm and applied to the Closer Settlement Board asking for their terms of purchase. Their reply came as a shock - they told us Government policy had changed and our option was no longer valid - the land was to be divided among neighbouring farmers who needed more land! They told him the option to purchase was not worth the paper it was written on.....""" My father's writings make interesting reading - there is a tremendous amount of detail about life around Colbinabbin, Swan Hill and Euroa, mentioning local names and events, so if anyone is keen to hear more please get in touch. Margery

Hi all, I've re-subscribed with my new email addy. Jackie QLD

changing email address from: [email protected] to: [email protected] due to spam. Jackie

Hi Christine Thank you very much - I actually don't hold out much hope they are there - a couple of years ago I saw a list of headstones someone had photographed at that cemetery, and mine weren't there. Can only hope they were missed that time. Jennifer -----Original Message----- From: Christine [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, 5 March 2005 4:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AVNE] Chiltern Old Cemetery headstones. Hi Jennifer This kind person is passing that way this afternoon...IF the weather is kind I shall attempt to transcribe for you. There are not a lot of headstones in Chiltern Old, so shouldn't be too hard to find. Shall let you know the outcome. Chris On Saturday, March 5, 2005, at 01:53 PM, Jennifer wrote: > I have been told the following graves are at Chiltern Old cemetery and > they > have headstones > > COLSTON, William Edward, 31.1.1885 > COLSTON, Mary Hannah, 27.3.1889 > > If there is any kind person up that way who would check for me I would > be > very grateful. They would be in the Presbyterian section. > > Jennifer > Melbourne > >

Hi Jennifer This kind person is passing that way this afternoon...IF the weather is kind I shall attempt to transcribe for you. There are not a lot of headstones in Chiltern Old, so shouldn't be too hard to find. Shall let you know the outcome. Chris On Saturday, March 5, 2005, at 01:53 PM, Jennifer wrote: > I have been told the following graves are at Chiltern Old cemetery and > they > have headstones > > COLSTON, William Edward, 31.1.1885 > COLSTON, Mary Hannah, 27.3.1889 > > If there is any kind person up that way who would check for me I would > be > very grateful. They would be in the Presbyterian section. > > Jennifer > Melbourne > >

I have been told the following graves are at Chiltern Old cemetery and they have headstones COLSTON, William Edward, 31.1.1885 COLSTON, Mary Hannah, 27.3.1889 If there is any kind person up that way who would check for me I would be very grateful. They would be in the Presbyterian section. Jennifer Melbourne

Fine, Bruce. Now we know. What you've now passed on (although the "closing date has passed") is worrying enough. In my view the Vic Govt has no right to hand on any Crown Land to ANYONE without consultation. If true, this is a load of rubbish. It should be dealt with in the political world and not on a genealogical site. We individually should be checking with our State representatives. I personally thank you for raising this issue... eventually. Peter Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "bruce johnson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [AVNE] Cemeteries on Crown land > ok, this is more than water-cooler > scuttlebutt, and i wanted a bit more time to pass on more info > > there has been a discussion document issued by the victorian bracks government > via the DSE, called Indigenous land managment framework. > The VIC GOV wants to give ALL victorian crown land to indigenous people. > They inturn "may" lease some of the land back to the government, and then WE > pay a fee to use or enter crown land, cemetery's, national parks,etc the > list is endless. > in the document statements already indicate that there are no agreements > that all crown land > will be leased back see page 24/26 > This could be taken to extremes, when you look at the big picture > > > you can view the document at www.dse.vic.gov.au > you can comment on the document, even though it says the closeing > date has passed > > > > > At 12:37 PM 5/03/2005 +1100, you wrote: > >Well Bruce, I for one would like a little bit more information than just "it > >all may be given away this year". Crown land is land owned and / or > >controlled by the Government (State or Federal). It can NOT be "given away" > >without enormous repercussions. > > > >What about a little bit more information instead of just water-cooler > >scuttlebutt? > > > >Without more credible information, I think we should all just take this with > >a big grain of salt. > > > >Peter Ross > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "bruce johnson" <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 12:15 PM > >Subject: Re: [AVNE] Cemeteries on Crown land > > > > > >> thank you linda for your reply > >> i have an important reason for asking this question > >> reguarding crown land as it all may be given away this year > >> will post a bit more information soon > >> cheers bruce > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> At 06:42 PM 4/03/2005 +1100, you wrote: > >> >At 12:00 AM 4/03/05 -0700, Bruce wrote: > >> > > >> >>I am just wondering are cemetaries on crown land ? > >> > > >> >The vast majority of cemeteries in Victoria are on Crown Land special > >> >purposes reserves. They appear on Victorian Parish maps as Cem. Res. with > >a > >> >file number, sometimes with the word Gaz. before it. That number is a > >> >multiple number/two numbers (eg 427/98), being the page and year of the > >> >Govt gazette where it was gazetted. (I am flying blind, it might be the > >> >other way around, but you know what I mean). > >> > > >> >I have found cemeteries on private land and in a recreation reserve, but > >> >this in rare. In my local area there are no churchyard cemeteries - I > >don't > >> >actually know of any in Victoria, but there may be some further away from > >me. > >> > > >> >In the past a number of Councils acted as the Cemetery Trust, but were > >> >still answerable to the state Health Dept Cemeteries Section. > >> > > >> >So yes, they are probably 90% at least state crown land in Victoria > >> > > >> >Cheers > >> > > >> >Linda > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >

sorry its called "Indigenous land management framework" left out the e At 01:16 PM 5/03/2005 +1100, you wrote: >ok, this is more than water-cooler >scuttlebutt, and i wanted a bit more time to pass on more info > >there has been a discussion document issued by the victorian bracks government >via the DSE, called Indigenous land managment framework. >The VIC GOV wants to give ALL victorian crown land to indigenous people. >They inturn "may" lease some of the land back to the government, and then WE >pay a fee to use or enter crown land, cemetery's, national parks,etc the >list is endless. >in the document statements already indicate that there are no agreements >that all crown land >will be leased back see page 24/26 >This could be taken to extremes, when you look at the big picture > > >you can view the document at www.dse.vic.gov.au >you can comment on the document, even though it says the closeing >date has passed > > > > >At 12:37 PM 5/03/2005 +1100, you wrote: >>Well Bruce, I for one would like a little bit more information than just "it >>all may be given away this year". Crown land is land owned and / or >>controlled by the Government (State or Federal). It can NOT be "given away" >>without enormous repercussions. >> >>What about a little bit more information instead of just water-cooler >>scuttlebutt? >> >>Without more credible information, I think we should all just take this with >>a big grain of salt. >> >>Peter Ross >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "bruce johnson" <[email protected]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 12:15 PM >>Subject: Re: [AVNE] Cemeteries on Crown land >> >> >>> thank you linda for your reply >>> i have an important reason for asking this question >>> reguarding crown land as it all may be given away this year >>> will post a bit more information soon >>> cheers bruce >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> At 06:42 PM 4/03/2005 +1100, you wrote: >>> >At 12:00 AM 4/03/05 -0700, Bruce wrote: >>> > >>> >>I am just wondering are cemetaries on crown land ? >>> > >>> >The vast majority of cemeteries in Victoria are on Crown Land special >>> >purposes reserves. They appear on Victorian Parish maps as Cem. Res. with >>a >>> >file number, sometimes with the word Gaz. before it. That number is a >>> >multiple number/two numbers (eg 427/98), being the page and year of the >>> >Govt gazette where it was gazetted. (I am flying blind, it might be the >>> >other way around, but you know what I mean). >>> > >>> >I have found cemeteries on private land and in a recreation reserve, but >>> >this in rare. In my local area there are no churchyard cemeteries - I >>don't >>> >actually know of any in Victoria, but there may be some further away from >>me. >>> > >>> >In the past a number of Councils acted as the Cemetery Trust, but were >>> >still answerable to the state Health Dept Cemeteries Section. >>> > >>> >So yes, they are probably 90% at least state crown land in Victoria >>> > >>> >Cheers >>> > >>> >Linda >>> > >>> > >>> >> >> > >

ok, this is more than water-cooler scuttlebutt, and i wanted a bit more time to pass on more info there has been a discussion document issued by the victorian bracks government via the DSE, called Indigenous land managment framework. The VIC GOV wants to give ALL victorian crown land to indigenous people. They inturn "may" lease some of the land back to the government, and then WE pay a fee to use or enter crown land, cemetery's, national parks,etc the list is endless. in the document statements already indicate that there are no agreements that all crown land will be leased back see page 24/26 This could be taken to extremes, when you look at the big picture you can view the document at www.dse.vic.gov.au you can comment on the document, even though it says the closeing date has passed At 12:37 PM 5/03/2005 +1100, you wrote: >Well Bruce, I for one would like a little bit more information than just "it >all may be given away this year". Crown land is land owned and / or >controlled by the Government (State or Federal). It can NOT be "given away" >without enormous repercussions. > >What about a little bit more information instead of just water-cooler >scuttlebutt? > >Without more credible information, I think we should all just take this with >a big grain of salt. > >Peter Ross > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "bruce johnson" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 12:15 PM >Subject: Re: [AVNE] Cemeteries on Crown land > > >> thank you linda for your reply >> i have an important reason for asking this question >> reguarding crown land as it all may be given away this year >> will post a bit more information soon >> cheers bruce >> >> >> >> >> At 06:42 PM 4/03/2005 +1100, you wrote: >> >At 12:00 AM 4/03/05 -0700, Bruce wrote: >> > >> >>I am just wondering are cemetaries on crown land ? >> > >> >The vast majority of cemeteries in Victoria are on Crown Land special >> >purposes reserves. They appear on Victorian Parish maps as Cem. Res. with >a >> >file number, sometimes with the word Gaz. before it. That number is a >> >multiple number/two numbers (eg 427/98), being the page and year of the >> >Govt gazette where it was gazetted. (I am flying blind, it might be the >> >other way around, but you know what I mean). >> > >> >I have found cemeteries on private land and in a recreation reserve, but >> >this in rare. In my local area there are no churchyard cemeteries - I >don't >> >actually know of any in Victoria, but there may be some further away from >me. >> > >> >In the past a number of Councils acted as the Cemetery Trust, but were >> >still answerable to the state Health Dept Cemeteries Section. >> > >> >So yes, they are probably 90% at least state crown land in Victoria >> > >> >Cheers >> > >> >Linda >> > >> > >> > >

Well Bruce, I for one would like a little bit more information than just "it all may be given away this year". Crown land is land owned and / or controlled by the Government (State or Federal). It can NOT be "given away" without enormous repercussions. What about a little bit more information instead of just water-cooler scuttlebutt? Without more credible information, I think we should all just take this with a big grain of salt. Peter Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "bruce johnson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [AVNE] Cemeteries on Crown land > thank you linda for your reply > i have an important reason for asking this question > reguarding crown land as it all may be given away this year > will post a bit more information soon > cheers bruce > > > > > At 06:42 PM 4/03/2005 +1100, you wrote: > >At 12:00 AM 4/03/05 -0700, Bruce wrote: > > > >>I am just wondering are cemetaries on crown land ? > > > >The vast majority of cemeteries in Victoria are on Crown Land special > >purposes reserves. They appear on Victorian Parish maps as Cem. Res. with a > >file number, sometimes with the word Gaz. before it. That number is a > >multiple number/two numbers (eg 427/98), being the page and year of the > >Govt gazette where it was gazetted. (I am flying blind, it might be the > >other way around, but you know what I mean). > > > >I have found cemeteries on private land and in a recreation reserve, but > >this in rare. In my local area there are no churchyard cemeteries - I don't > >actually know of any in Victoria, but there may be some further away from me. > > > >In the past a number of Councils acted as the Cemetery Trust, but were > >still answerable to the state Health Dept Cemeteries Section. > > > >So yes, they are probably 90% at least state crown land in Victoria > > > >Cheers > > > >Linda > > > > >

thank you linda for your reply i have an important reason for asking this question reguarding crown land as it all may be given away this year will post a bit more information soon cheers bruce At 06:42 PM 4/03/2005 +1100, you wrote: >At 12:00 AM 4/03/05 -0700, Bruce wrote: > >>I am just wondering are cemetaries on crown land ? > >The vast majority of cemeteries in Victoria are on Crown Land special >purposes reserves. They appear on Victorian Parish maps as Cem. Res. with a >file number, sometimes with the word Gaz. before it. That number is a >multiple number/two numbers (eg 427/98), being the page and year of the >Govt gazette where it was gazetted. (I am flying blind, it might be the >other way around, but you know what I mean). > >I have found cemeteries on private land and in a recreation reserve, but >this in rare. In my local area there are no churchyard cemeteries - I don't >actually know of any in Victoria, but there may be some further away from me. > >In the past a number of Councils acted as the Cemetery Trust, but were >still answerable to the state Health Dept Cemeteries Section. > >So yes, they are probably 90% at least state crown land in Victoria > >Cheers > >Linda > >

Well what Bruce says is spot on. There are also many private homes on crown land (we have one of them!) in the North East goldfields. Back in the early 1900s the government "leased" the land to people and they paid a yearly rental plus paid the rates. This was encouragement to open up remote areas. However the leases were very one sided - ie they usually ran for at least 50 years and were renewable but strictly under the same terms - which was that the Govt could request you remove your house at any time. Until say 10 years ago the Govt could sell off this land to residents. Now no such sale can be made as huge areas are under native title claim. We have also been advised that we may either have to remove the house or that the title will be transferred to the local indigenous people and we would then pay them rent, on their terms and conditions. Either way, seems no prospect of buying the land outright. I know for a fact that under their land claim falls at one cemetary, possibly 3 in that area. Kat Wixøe -----Original Message----- From: bruce johnson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 5. mars 2005 03:16 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AVNE] Cemeteries on Crown land ok, this is more than water-cooler scuttlebutt, and i wanted a bit more time to pass on more info there has been a discussion document issued by the victorian bracks government via the DSE, called Indigenous land managment framework. The VIC GOV wants to give ALL victorian crown land to indigenous people. They inturn "may" lease some of the land back to the government, and then WE pay a fee to use or enter crown land, cemetery's, national parks,etc the list is endless. in the document statements already indicate that there are no agreements that all crown land will be leased back see page 24/26 This could be taken to extremes, when you look at the big picture you can view the document at www.dse.vic.gov.au you can comment on the document, even though it says the closeing date has passed At 12:37 PM 5/03/2005 +1100, you wrote: >Well Bruce, I for one would like a little bit more information than >just "it all may be given away this year". Crown land is land owned >and / or controlled by the Government (State or Federal). It can NOT be "given away" >without enormous repercussions. > >What about a little bit more information instead of just water-cooler >scuttlebutt? > >Without more credible information, I think we should all just take this >with a big grain of salt. > >Peter Ross > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "bruce johnson" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 12:15 PM >Subject: Re: [AVNE] Cemeteries on Crown land > > >> thank you linda for your reply >> i have an important reason for asking this question reguarding crown >> land as it all may be given away this year will post a bit more >> information soon cheers bruce >> >> >> >> >> At 06:42 PM 4/03/2005 +1100, you wrote: >> >At 12:00 AM 4/03/05 -0700, Bruce wrote: >> > >> >>I am just wondering are cemetaries on crown land ? >> > >> >The vast majority of cemeteries in Victoria are on Crown Land >> >special purposes reserves. They appear on Victorian Parish maps as >> >Cem. Res. with >a >> >file number, sometimes with the word Gaz. before it. That number is >> >a multiple number/two numbers (eg 427/98), being the page and year >> >of the Govt gazette where it was gazetted. (I am flying blind, it >> >might be the other way around, but you know what I mean). >> > >> >I have found cemeteries on private land and in a recreation reserve, >> >but this in rare. In my local area there are no churchyard >> >cemeteries - I >don't >> >actually know of any in Victoria, but there may be some further away >> >from >me. >> > >> >In the past a number of Councils acted as the Cemetery Trust, but >> >were still answerable to the state Health Dept Cemeteries Section. >> > >> >So yes, they are probably 90% at least state crown land in Victoria >> > >> >Cheers >> > >> >Linda >> > >> > >> > >

Hi Listers Firstly, apologies for the cross-posting, but this family moved around the areas of both these lists. What I am after, possibly from any Family HIstory Societies, is a small book which I have been told about concerning the SIMS family in these areas, called ' The Sims Family'. This family was father, Richard SIMS b 1828 Hanley Staffs ENG, mother Bridget LONG b 1830/33 Co Cork IRL, m 1855 Bothwell TAS and children Alice, Elizabeth, Richard all b TAS. and William b Sale VIC, Gerome (Jeremiah) b Omeo, and John b Omeo. If anyone has this little book or knows where I might get one, please let me know. I know this man arrived in Tassie as a convict and finished up a respected, reasonably well-off man in Omeo but cannot find one word about him. That isn't quite true. In 'Echoes from the Mountains' it is mentioned that he held one of the first hotel licences in the Omeo area. Regards and many thanks to all Irene R

At 12:00 AM 4/03/05 -0700, Bruce wrote: >I am just wondering are cemetaries on crown land ? The vast majority of cemeteries in Victoria are on Crown Land special purposes reserves. They appear on Victorian Parish maps as Cem. Res. with a file number, sometimes with the word Gaz. before it. That number is a multiple number/two numbers (eg 427/98), being the page and year of the Govt gazette where it was gazetted. (I am flying blind, it might be the other way around, but you know what I mean). I have found cemeteries on private land and in a recreation reserve, but this in rare. In my local area there are no churchyard cemeteries - I don't actually know of any in Victoria, but there may be some further away from me. In the past a number of Councils acted as the Cemetery Trust, but were still answerable to the state Health Dept Cemeteries Section. So yes, they are probably 90% at least state crown land in Victoria Cheers Linda

Hello Jackie, I paid a visit to the Bethanga Cemetery today and got the details about Christiana Mitchell that you were looking for. The inscription on her grave says: In Loving Memory of Christiana Mitchell Died 29th May 1934 Aged 76 Years Peace Perfect Peace I took my digital camera along and got some photos as well, I uploaded them to my website. General view of cemetery: http://mixedbunch.com/bethanga/Bethanga_Cem4.JPG View #1 of Mitchell crypt: http://mixedbunch.com/bethanga/Bethanga_Cem6.JPG View #2 of Mitchell crypt: http://mixedbunch.com/bethanga/Bethanga_Cem7.JPG Picture of inscriptions: http://mixedbunch.com/bethanga/Bethanga_Cem8a.JPG Close-up of Christiana's inscription: http://mixedbunch.com/bethanga/Bethanga_Cem8b.JPG Hope this helps, I wrote down all the inscriptions from the Mitchell gravestones just in case you needed any other dates confirmed, I have to go out right now but I'll put these in another message later tonight. Kind regards, Andrew McPhee >From: Jackie <[email protected]> >Subject: Bethanga Burial >Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 18:14:00 +1000 > > >Hi all, > >I've just received a gedcom from a family member and there is a slight >anomaly. >I am hoping someone can check it out for me please. > >Christiana MITCHELL (nee SIRL) >died 29 April or May 1924 and buried at Bethanga. >I have a photo of the grave but I can't see what the inscription is. > >It's a huge crypt with (from memory 6 or 8 people buried there). >I looks a bit like a roman building with 4 pillars at each corner of the >roof. However, the roof doesn't completely cover the base. > >If anyone can check for me and would like a photo to make it easier to >find, please email me off list. > >Jackie >QLD

My guess is that they are on Local Council land unless they belong to a church parish > I am just wondering are cemetaries on crown land ? >