Hello Jill, John Moore, son of John Moore and Margaret Considine is the husband of my Great Grand Aunt, Elizabeth Mary Clark. I may be able to help with descendants but not much in the way of ancestors. You are welcome to what info I have. Look forward to the contact. Cheers, Bill Willett. Benalla. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hanson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, 25 March 2005 4:29 Subject: RE: [AVNE] MOORE/Wanagaratta area. > Hi Jill, > > Had a very quick look at 2 Digger cds. Results are below: > > Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 > > Surname: MOORE > Given Names: Sarah > Event: B > Spouse Surname/Father: John > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Margaret CONSIDINE > Age: > Sex: > Birth Place: WANG > Death Place: > Year: 1854 > Reg Number: 2969 > Denomination: > Parish: > Fiche: > > Digger - Federation Index. Victoria 1889-1901 > > Surname: MOORE > Given Names: Margt > Event: D > Sex: F > Spouse Surname/Father: Unknown > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: CONSIDINE > Age: 77 > Age Code: > Birth Place: > Death Place: Wangaratta > Year: 1895 > Reg. Number: 11408 > > Cheers > > Anne Hanson > -----Original Message----- > From: Jill Glover [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, 25 March 2005 11:51 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [AVNE] MOORE/Wanagaratta area. > > > Hi everyone, > I'm looking into this family for a friend, and wonder if anyone > is related/researching, or knows of these people please/ > John MOORE.b 1815, Kent, England. He came to Aus. in 1838, Dec. > m. Margaret CONSIDINE, Wangaratta 1839. I think they died and are buried in > the area. > She was from Kerry, Ireland. > They had a son John, born 1843, and other children. > The family were farmers, tree fellers, land workers. > If anyone can help with any records, news links, it would be much > appreciated. I know it's not an uncommon name, so that makes it very > difficult. But maybe they were pioneers in the district?? Notorious!! > Many thanks and > ,-._|\ best wishes, > / Oz \ jill , brisbane. > \_,--.x/ [email protected] > v >

Thank you Ann Hanson, I had this info. It was the father William whose obituary in New Zealand in 1895 referred to him being "one of the discoverers of the Ovens Goldfild. Cheers Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 2:00 PM Subject: AUS-VIC-NE-D Digest V05 #43

Peter, I have just checked the Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 You probably have this entry anyway but thought it was worth a try. Surname: GLOVER Given Names: Barbara Fullerton Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: William Roxbur Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Agnes WILLRIDGE Age: Sex: Birth Place: BUNI Death Place: Year: 1862 Reg Number: 1108 Cheers Anne Hanson -----Original Message----- From: Peter Strauss [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2005 8:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AVNE] Re: DISCOVERY OF THE OVENS GOLDFIELD Thank you Dave. Of course this could have been just a family story. GLOVER and his inlaws, WILDRIDGE, were based around Ballarat before going to New Zealand and I am not certain how far away the Ovens field was. He is supposed to have walked from Sydney and my first information on him is his marriage to my GG grandmother in 1861. He could well have spent time on the Ovens field prior to going to Ballarat. Cheers Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Evans" <[email protected]> To: "Peter Strauss" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 7:51 AM Subject: Re: DISCOVERY OF THE OVENS GOLDFIELD > Hello Peter, > I have a booklet put out by the Department of Mines in 1907 about the > "Discovery of the Ovens Goldfields in 1852" and it gives a description of > the discovery by 2 men who said they worked with Mr. Smyth, surveying the > mountains (Omeo country) and had since left him and were looking for gold. > It then names Howell (who narrated the story) and they told him they had > been to the California diggings. > Amongst the first arrivals after the discovery were John Fisher, William > Wise, Alexander meldrum & Alexander Tone. > No mention of Glover, but we don't know the names of the discovers either. > Dave in Ballarat > > At 07:47 PM 22/03/2005, Peter Strauss wrote: >>Hi Listers, >> >>Can SKS please point me to documents/history or whatever regarding the >>discovery of the Ovens Goldfield? >> >>An 1895 obituary in a New Zealand West Coast newspaper states that my GG >>grandfather, William Roxburgh GLOVER was one of the discoverers of this >>field. >> >>Cheers >> >>Peter Strauss >>Melbourne >> >> >>==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== >>Support RootsWeb and help it support genealogy >>http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >

Thank you Dave. Of course this could have been just a family story. GLOVER and his inlaws, WILDRIDGE, were based around Ballarat before going to New Zealand and I am not certain how far away the Ovens field was. He is supposed to have walked from Sydney and my first information on him is his marriage to my GG grandmother in 1861. He could well have spent time on the Ovens field prior to going to Ballarat. Cheers Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Evans" <[email protected]> To: "Peter Strauss" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 7:51 AM Subject: Re: DISCOVERY OF THE OVENS GOLDFIELD > Hello Peter, > I have a booklet put out by the Department of Mines in 1907 about the > "Discovery of the Ovens Goldfields in 1852" and it gives a description of > the discovery by 2 men who said they worked with Mr. Smyth, surveying the > mountains (Omeo country) and had since left him and were looking for gold. > It then names Howell (who narrated the story) and they told him they had > been to the California diggings. > Amongst the first arrivals after the discovery were John Fisher, William > Wise, Alexander meldrum & Alexander Tone. > No mention of Glover, but we don't know the names of the discovers either. > Dave in Ballarat > > At 07:47 PM 22/03/2005, Peter Strauss wrote: >>Hi Listers, >> >>Can SKS please point me to documents/history or whatever regarding the >>discovery of the Ovens Goldfield? >> >>An 1895 obituary in a New Zealand West Coast newspaper states that my GG >>grandfather, William Roxburgh GLOVER was one of the discoverers of this >>field. >> >>Cheers >> >>Peter Strauss >>Melbourne >> >> >>==== AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS Mailing List ==== >>Support RootsWeb and help it support genealogy >>http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >

Good morning Peter, Noted your query re the Ovens with interest. Suggest you try to find a copy of "Department of Mines [Geological Survey] 1907 Victoria "The Discovery of the Ovens Goldfield in 1852 by David Reid in "Records of the Geological Survey of Victoria Vol.2 part 1." I have checked through the text this morning - there is no mention of the names of two men who had been working with the geological surveyor Smyth. These two me subsequently went with Howell - a shepherd working for David Reid on his Wooragee run [later known as Gemmel's run], and found gold in Spring Creek [no date given]. My interest is in William Wise and John Duncan Fisher from Albury who were immediately advised by Reid of the discovery, and who took up some of the first claims on the field. Others having first claims were Alexander Meldrum and Alexander Tone from Wangaratta. Other names were Brown, Maidment, Gaire and 'Old Jack'. About three months later Gold was discovered in Yackandandah by a man named Carrol. {Sorry no Christian names given]. Trust this is of some help. Kind regards, Jennifer Jennifer Lambert Tracey HERITAGE ARCHAEOLOGY Archaeological & Heritage Assessment Consultants PO Box 4265 Kingston ACT 2604 Australia Tel: 02 6295 6795 Fax: 02 6295 6791 Mobile Tel: 0419 011860 -----Original Message----- From: Peter Strauss [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2005 7:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AVNE] DISCOVERY OF THE OVENS GOLDFIELD Hi Listers, Can SKS please point me to documents/history or whatever regarding the discovery of the Ovens Goldfield? An 1895 obituary in a New Zealand West Coast newspaper states that my GG grandfather, William Roxburgh GLOVER was one of the discoverers of this field. Cheers Peter Strauss Melbourne

Hi Listers, Can SKS please point me to documents/history or whatever regarding the discovery of the Ovens Goldfield? An 1895 obituary in a New Zealand West Coast newspaper states that my GG grandfather, William Roxburgh GLOVER was one of the discoverers of this field. Cheers Peter Strauss Melbourne

Guess who is a dill - The subject heading should have read BLACKWOOD, Thomas!!! Anne Hanson -----Original Message----- From: Anne Hanson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, 18 March 2005 6:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [AVNE] BLACKWOOD, James Hi All, Am wondering if anyone is knows anything of a Thomas BLACKWOOD who died aged 66 at Yarrawonga in 1897. Unfortunately I do not have his parents names but his wife's name was Elizabeth HANSON. Any information at all, would be gratefully received. Cheers Anne Hanson [email protected]

Hi All, Am wondering if anyone is knows anything of a Thomas BLACKWOOD who died aged 66 at Yarrawonga in 1897. Unfortunately I do not have his parents names but his wife's name was Elizabeth HANSON. Any information at all, would be gratefully received. Cheers Anne Hanson [email protected]

Dear Susie, that's a terrific collection of materials - I will now follow up the details of his family cheers jon Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:28:29 +1100 From: "Susie Zada" <[email protected]> Hi Jon, Unfortunately I can't quickly lay my hands on my notes but a year or more ago I was doing a lot of research in Seymour (and Kilmore) on John FINN (name sometimes appears as FYNN) - it appears to be the same John FINN who was at Port Fairy. Hang on - just found SOME of my notes ..... John Finn and the Terminus Hotel John Finn appears in the Rate Books as running a hotel in Seymour in 1870, 1872 and 1873, and is identified as possibly the first licensee of the Terminus Hotel. His name doesn't appear elsewhere in the Rate Books, nor is he mentioned further in any of the recognised histories of Seymour. If, however, he was the first licensee of the Terminus Hotel and therefore the first commercial business in Station Street, his background merits further investigation as he appears to have been an astute businessman to have been in this situation. Keith Deutsher in "The Breweries of Australia : A History" refers to Henry Bolton, James Tierney and John Fynn as "three very experienced brewers". Henry Bolton, his uncle John Fynn, and James Tierney (Fynn's brother-in-law ) started the Seymour Brewery. They advertised in November 1869 as "Bolton, Tierney & Co. Brewers, Seymour" and in 1874 the Goulburn River Brewery Co. was formed. Bolton became sole owner of the company in 1879. Prior to setting up the Seymour Brewery, John Fynn started the Heathcote Brewery in 1855 which he then sold to his brother-in-law, James Tierney. I t was reported that Fynn "went back to his home country (Ireland), but returned to Heathcote in 1862, and renewed his interest in the brewery by becoming a partner, and later a substantial landowner. Henry Bolton, Fynn' s nephew, ran the brewery from about 1865 to 1869," when Bolton, Fynn and Tierney set up the Seymour Brewery. Fynn and Tierney also purchased the Kilmore Brewery in 1864. John Fynn married Jane Bridget Tierney in 1857. Their children were born i n Heathcote and Kilmore between 1859 and 1873, with a further child born in South Melbourne in 1874. It is quite probable that John Fynn of the Seymour Brewery was the same John Finn who began the Terminus Hotel in Station Street. Although Deutsher stated that Fynn "went back to his home country", it is also possible that the original reference may have been to Belfast - not in Ireland, but Port Fairy which was formerly known as Belfast. A John Finn started the Belfast Brewery in 1844 but appeared to leave about 1855. He returned in 1856, and in 1860 the Belfast Brewery changed its name to the Victoria Brewery, the same year that John Finn left the company and possibl y the area. Further research would be required to confirm that these apparently different people (John Fynn of Seymour, John Finn of Seymour, and John Finn of Port Fairy) were one and the same, however the occupations, dates and relationships certainly identify the possibility that they are, and also provide an explanation for the "appearance and disappearance" of John Finn at the Terminus Hotel. In 1881 the Terminus Hotel was described as "recently erected" and was "substantially built of softwood, iron roof; contains 16 rooms, verandah front and back, large kitchen, 5 stalled stable, piggeries, coachhouse, etc." The hotel was destroyed by fire in 1897 and rebuilt on the same site. And the references used for that section .......... Transcription of Shire of Seymour Rate Books. Source: Seymour & Distric t Historical Society Inc. (computer file ); Martindale, H.G. New Crossing Place: A History of Seymour and its Shire, Revised edition, Shire of Seymour, Seymour, 1982, p. 106. Deutsher, Keith M, The Breweries of Australia: A History, Thomas C. Lothian Pty Ltd, Port Melbourne, 1999, pp. 121,166. Deutsher, Keith M, The Breweries of Australia: A History, Thomas C. Lothian Pty Ltd, Port Melbourne, 1999, p. 121. CD-Rom Indexes to Victorian Births, Deaths, and Marriages, Macbeth Genealogical Services Pty Ltd, Victoria. Deutsher, Keith M, The Breweries of Australia: A History, Thomas C. Lothian Pty Ltd, Port Melbourne, 1999, p. 161. Lewis, Miles, Australian Architectural Index, Melbourne, (microfiche). Martindale, H.G. New Crossing Place: A History of Seymour and its Shire, Revised edition, Shire of Seymour, Seymour, 1982, p. 106. Hope that helps .......... Susie Z ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Patrick" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [AVNE] Re: John FINN Mayor of Kilmore 1880s > Dear Peggy, thanks for your response. I think FINN the brewers were two > brothers who also had operations around Port Fairy and Warrnambool, but i've > never been to establish if they are related to GArryowen. I will follow u p the > references > thanks > jon Jon ______________________________________________________________

Katharine Alison Prince  

Many thanks -----Original Message----- From: Peter Lakeman [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, 17 March 2005 5:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AVNE] Hagelthorn,Sefton,Newton ,Robinson Hello Katharine, Ballarat, Whim Holes and possibly your Sebastopol are covered by the Goldfields list. You will have more success posting to that list. See http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS.html for details on the Goldfields list. Good luck with your research. Cheers Peter ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ At 04:08 PM 17/03/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Hi there, >This is my first post so hear goes. >I am researching the above surnames from the Sebastopol, Ballarat. Areas. >Hagelthorn arrived around 1851 and worked at the Madame Berry Mine near >Creswick >He married in Whim holes in 1863 to an Irish woman, Mary Robinson. >They then settled in Sebastopol. >Any connection would be wonderful >Katharine Alison Prince >

Hi Denise, I feel like I'm going completely mad - have just searched Pioneer Index Vic 1836 - 1888 and cannot find a birth or marriage for either an Ellen or Martha Charlton but I did find: Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 Surname: CHARLTON Given Names: Margaret Eliza Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: James Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Ann MCCLINTOCK Age: Sex: Birth Place: REID Death Place: Year: 1863 Reg Number: 6279 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: On the Digger - Federation Index. Victoria 1889-1901 in relation to Ella Martha Charlton I found the following: Surname: CHARLTON Given Names: Ella Martha Event: M Sex: Spouse Surname/Father: BOWDITCH Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Edwin Age: Age Code: Birth Place: WATTA Death Place: Year: 1896 Reg. Number: 6875 I'm not sure that the above has been of any assistance but ... Cheers Anne Hanson -----Original Message----- From: Denise [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, 17 March 2005 10:55 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [AVNE] McClintock - Charlton Hi everyone Someone on the list is researching McClintock if my memory serves me correctly. Martha Charlton was born in 1859 in Reid's Ck. Can someone please tell me who she married - I have a marriage to a Bodwitch for a Ella Martha Charlton and want to confirm if she is one and same. regards Denise

Marth born in 1859 in Reid's Ck to Jas CharlEton (sorry left off the E, as I working with Charlton without) and Ann McClintock. I have been searching with and without an E thru the BDMs. I don't know if this is the Martha who married Bowditch or not. I am hoping someone can connect and confirm or deny. The Marg Eliza you found Anne married Sidney Davis - Enough to drive me nuts too! Thanks for trying. I have information that indicates Mrs Bowditch is a daughter of a Charlton I am looking into - but I can't find a birth for this woman. Then again it seems the names of other children are confused from time to time in records. Denise

Hello Katharine, Ballarat, Whim Holes and possibly your Sebastopol are covered by the Goldfields list. You will have more success posting to that list. See http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/AUS/AUS-VIC-GOLDFIELDS.html for details on the Goldfields list. Good luck with your research. Cheers Peter ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ At 04:08 PM 17/03/2005 +1000, you wrote: >Hi there, >This is my first post so hear goes. >I am researching the above surnames from the Sebastopol, Ballarat. Areas. >Hagelthorn arrived around 1851 and worked at the Madame Berry Mine near >Creswick >He married in Whim holes in 1863 to an Irish woman, Mary Robinson. >They then settled in Sebastopol. >Any connection would be wonderful >Katharine Alison Prince >

Excuse typo errors in previous post, am not that dumb really Katharine Alison Prince  

Hi there, This is my first post so hear goes. I am researching the above surnames from the Sebastopol, Ballarat. Areas. Hagelthorn arrived around 1851 and worked at the Madame Berry Mine near Creswick He married in Whim holes in 1863 to an Irish woman, Mary Robinson. They then settled in Sebastopol. Any connection would be wonderful Katharine Alison Prince  

Hi everyone Someone on the list is researching McClintock if my memory serves me correctly. Martha Charlton was born in 1859 in Reid's Ck. Can someone please tell me who she married - I have a marriage to a Bodwitch for a Ella Martha Charlton and want to confirm if she is one and same. regards Denise

Dear Peggy, thanks for your response. I think FINN the brewers were two brothers who also had operations around Port Fairy and Warrnambool, but i've never been to establish if they are related to GArryowen. I will follow up the references thanks jon Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 18:16:30 +1100 From: "Peter and Elizabeth Pidgeon" <[email protected]> Dear Jon, The Kilmore Historical Society may be help to you. See: www.kilmorehistory .info. See also Kilmore Footsteps: http://www.users.bigpond.com/peter_pidgeon/kilm ore_footsteps.htm Your contribution welcome. "Kilmore on the Sydney Road" by Maya Tucker refers only to a Mr FINN of "Fi nn and Company brewers who were on Mitchell Street" (in about 1860). There is also a book you might like to follow up: "The Flour Mills of Victo ria 1840-1990" by Lewis and Peggy JONES. Kind regards, Elizabeth Pidgeon www.pidgeon.info ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Patrick To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:49 PM Subject: John FINN MAyor og Kilmore 1880s A great great uncle of mine William MAson FINN wrote a book on travelling around NEastern Victoria. IN it he references John FINN as a the mayor of Kilmore owning a "first class mill" on the river. Does anyone have any details about John FINN and the possibility that the two are related. WM FINN was one of the first priests ordained in Victoria and brother to Edmund FINN aka GArryowen, my grgrgrfather, who wrote the Chronicles of Early Melbourne cheers Jon Patrick - -------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ______________________________ Jon ______________________________________________________________

Hi Jon, Unfortunately I can't quickly lay my hands on my notes but a year or more ago I was doing a lot of research in Seymour (and Kilmore) on John FINN (name sometimes appears as FYNN) - it appears to be the same John FINN who was at Port Fairy. Hang on - just found SOME of my notes ..... John Finn and the Terminus Hotel John Finn appears in the Rate Books as running a hotel in Seymour in 1870, 1872 and 1873, and is identified as possibly the first licensee of the Terminus Hotel. His name doesn't appear elsewhere in the Rate Books, nor is he mentioned further in any of the recognised histories of Seymour. If, however, he was the first licensee of the Terminus Hotel and therefore the first commercial business in Station Street, his background merits further investigation as he appears to have been an astute businessman to have been in this situation. Keith Deutsher in "The Breweries of Australia : A History" refers to Henry Bolton, James Tierney and John Fynn as "three very experienced brewers". Henry Bolton, his uncle John Fynn, and James Tierney (Fynn's brother-in-law) started the Seymour Brewery. They advertised in November 1869 as "Bolton, Tierney & Co. Brewers, Seymour" and in 1874 the Goulburn River Brewery Co. was formed. Bolton became sole owner of the company in 1879. Prior to setting up the Seymour Brewery, John Fynn started the Heathcote Brewery in 1855 which he then sold to his brother-in-law, James Tierney. It was reported that Fynn "went back to his home country (Ireland), but returned to Heathcote in 1862, and renewed his interest in the brewery by becoming a partner, and later a substantial landowner. Henry Bolton, Fynn's nephew, ran the brewery from about 1865 to 1869," when Bolton, Fynn and Tierney set up the Seymour Brewery. Fynn and Tierney also purchased the Kilmore Brewery in 1864. John Fynn married Jane Bridget Tierney in 1857. Their children were born in Heathcote and Kilmore between 1859 and 1873, with a further child born in South Melbourne in 1874. It is quite probable that John Fynn of the Seymour Brewery was the same John Finn who began the Terminus Hotel in Station Street. Although Deutsher stated that Fynn "went back to his home country", it is also possible that the original reference may have been to Belfast - not in Ireland, but Port Fairy which was formerly known as Belfast. A John Finn started the Belfast Brewery in 1844 but appeared to leave about 1855. He returned in 1856, and in 1860 the Belfast Brewery changed its name to the Victoria Brewery, the same year that John Finn left the company and possibly the area. Further research would be required to confirm that these apparently different people (John Fynn of Seymour, John Finn of Seymour, and John Finn of Port Fairy) were one and the same, however the occupations, dates and relationships certainly identify the possibility that they are, and also provide an explanation for the "appearance and disappearance" of John Finn at the Terminus Hotel. In 1881 the Terminus Hotel was described as "recently erected" and was "substantially built of softwood, iron roof; contains 16 rooms, verandah front and back, large kitchen, 5 stalled stable, piggeries, coachhouse, etc." The hotel was destroyed by fire in 1897 and rebuilt on the same site. And the references used for that section .......... Transcription of Shire of Seymour Rate Books. Source: Seymour & District Historical Society Inc. (computer file ); Martindale, H.G. New Crossing Place: A History of Seymour and its Shire, Revised edition, Shire of Seymour, Seymour, 1982, p. 106. Deutsher, Keith M, The Breweries of Australia: A History, Thomas C. Lothian Pty Ltd, Port Melbourne, 1999, pp. 121,166. Deutsher, Keith M, The Breweries of Australia: A History, Thomas C. Lothian Pty Ltd, Port Melbourne, 1999, p. 121. CD-Rom Indexes to Victorian Births, Deaths, and Marriages, Macbeth Genealogical Services Pty Ltd, Victoria. Deutsher, Keith M, The Breweries of Australia: A History, Thomas C. Lothian Pty Ltd, Port Melbourne, 1999, p. 161. Lewis, Miles, Australian Architectural Index, Melbourne, (microfiche). Martindale, H.G. New Crossing Place: A History of Seymour and its Shire, Revised edition, Shire of Seymour, Seymour, 1982, p. 106. Hope that helps .......... Susie Z ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Patrick" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [AVNE] Re: John FINN Mayor of Kilmore 1880s > Dear Peggy, thanks for your response. I think FINN the brewers were two > brothers who also had operations around Port Fairy and Warrnambool, but i've > never been to establish if they are related to GArryowen. I will follow up the > references > thanks > jon

I note with some interest the comments about a document titled Indigineous Land Management Framework. As suggested by some I have investigated the Victorian DSE site. I found to my amazement on page 5 that this document is NOT Victorian government policy although some emails have stated it is. The title states clearly it is a discussion paper. I am puzzled why a discussion paper generates so much heat, is it because we are afraid to recognise we forcibly took aboriginal tribal land and we are still unwilling to return any. The discussion paper canvasses some options, that's all. John Strain