Hi Everyone, Re the above run in the Balmattum area, I'm interested in knowing when the run was established (sometime in the 19th century) and when it was broken up for land selection. Many thanks. Anne Hanson [email protected]

I think this was the list with queries on Rev Fred McKay's (AIM and RFDS) origins. He was born 1907 at Walkerston (McKay, QLD district), died March 2000. Reference "Poor house to Paradise" by Lyall Ford 2001. Keith Morris [email protected]

Hi Anne George and Jane Kyle TURNBULL (nee THOM) are members of my husbands family. George's father Thomas TURNBULL owned the Broken Creek Run (1855), Emu Plains Run (1855), Mokoan Run (1866) and Upotipotpon Run (1855), which George and his brothers took over in 1873. I am not sure if I have any information in my files as to George's place of residence in 1863-1866, and unfortunately the family history is packed ready for our move at the end of the week. I will gladly have a look after I unpack, and will keep you posted of any findings. I would be interested to learn a little more about the Inquest. Kind Regards Roz Voullaire [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hanson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 5:20 PM Subject: [AVNE] 1865 Inquest > Hi All, > > According to the pages of an 1865 inquest, a Mrs. TURNBULL (possibly Jane, > husband of George TURNBULL, nee THORN) lived near Violet Town. Now I'm > sorry > I can't be more specific than that and I'm wondering if someone knows > anymore of George and Jane TURNBULL. I'm interested in knowing where > exactly > they lived and the time period is betw. (approximately) 1863 and 1866. > > A Mrs. Harris (and that is all I've got) also lived in the same area and > is > mentioned in the same inquest. Does anyone have a connection with her. > > Thanks > > Anne Hanson > [email protected] > > >

I lived in Violet Town In 1938, and there was a policeman named Sarg Harris who lived near Sydney Road or the Hume Highway. His grand parents Lived there also. I can't remember there names now. Maybe some connection? Thelma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hanson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 5:20 PM Subject: [AVNE] 1865 Inquest >Hi All, > >According to the pages of an 1865 inquest, a Mrs. TURNBULL (possibly Jane, >husband of George TURNBULL, nee THORN) lived near Violet Town. Now I'm sorry >I can't be more specific than that and I'm wondering if someone knows >anymore of George and Jane TURNBULL. I'm interested in knowing where exactly >they lived and the time period is betw. (approximately) 1863 and 1866. > >A Mrs. Harris (and that is all I've got) also lived in the same area and is >mentioned in the same inquest. Does anyone have a connection with her. > >Thanks > >Anne Hanson >[email protected] > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.11/26 - Release Date: 22/06/2005 >

Hello Listers, Once more my sincere thanks go to Ronda who has yet submitted more spare marriage and death lookups (as shown below). She must be keeping half the BDM staff in work. If any of these are of interest to you, please go to http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVNE/Spares/spares.html and click on the submitter's name on the right of the entry, which will open your email program. Cheers Peter ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marriages --------- HAYS, Archibald MAGEE, Eliza Jane Beechworth 19-6-1867 MOORE, William McCULLOUGH, Mary Jane Yackandandah 4-9-1895 Deaths ------ GORDON, George William Staghorn Flat 8-7-1919 aged one day GREALY, Patrick Running Creek 2-8-1919 aged 86 McCULLOUGH, Alice Yackandandah 7-8-1919 aged 72 MAHON, Catherine Osbornes Flat 16-7-1919 aged 74 MARUM, Elenor Yackandandah 31-7-1919 aged 32 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anne From Violet Town 1836-1908 Pge 101 Upotipotpon started the gold era as a link in the chain of stations owned by Joseph Docker of the Ovens River, being run in conjunction with Emu Plains on the Broken River during 1853. The combined runs of Emu Plains - Upotipotpon were rated at 78,464 acres. In 1856 it was taken over by Thomas Bond to be run in conjunction with Stony Creek and Bungamero farther off. In 1874 both Stony Creek and Upotipotpon were taken over by the Turnbulls of the Broken River, James, George and Thomas Turnbull jun. were the licensees............ Page 105 Though divided for administrative purposes by 1858, the station appeared under the undivided "Honeysuckle" label in official lists until 1860, when George Turnbull's name appears as the licensee of the northern section. In 1861 Thomas Turnbull was shown as the licensee of Honeysuckle North and George Turnbull as the "superintendent" ................ page 117 Mrs Hoskins carefully listed inhabitants of the tiny township in 1857 .... All the other inhabitants of High Street as the SydneyRoad became, were on the south-east or hills side of the thoroughfare........... Coming from Melbourne along High Street, one passed the family house of William Harris, carrier. Do not know if this is of any help! Cheers Pamela -- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hanson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 5:20 PM Subject: [AVNE] 1865 Inquest > Hi All, > > According to the pages of an 1865 inquest, a Mrs. TURNBULL (possibly Jane, > husband of George TURNBULL, nee THORN) lived near Violet Town. Now I'm > sorry > I can't be more specific than that and I'm wondering if someone knows > anymore of George and Jane TURNBULL. I'm interested in knowing where > exactly > they lived and the time period is betw. (approximately) 1863 and 1866. > > A Mrs. Harris (and that is all I've got) also lived in the same area and > is > mentioned in the same inquest. Does anyone have a connection with her. > > Thanks > > Anne Hanson > [email protected] > >

Hi All, According to the pages of an 1865 inquest, a Mrs. TURNBULL (possibly Jane, husband of George TURNBULL, nee THORN) lived near Violet Town. Now I'm sorry I can't be more specific than that and I'm wondering if someone knows anymore of George and Jane TURNBULL. I'm interested in knowing where exactly they lived and the time period is betw. (approximately) 1863 and 1866. A Mrs. Harris (and that is all I've got) also lived in the same area and is mentioned in the same inquest. Does anyone have a connection with her. Thanks Anne Hanson [email protected]

Sorry wrong list (old age catching up fast) Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: "pamela" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 7:04 PM Subject: [AVNE] Matthews > Hello Pam > > Violet and Thomas Matthews were divorced in 1898 > > Petitioner > SurnamePetitioner > Given namesRespondent > SurnameRespondent > Given namesCo-respondent > SurnameCo-respondent > Given namesFile > MatthewsTom Ernest JonesViolet1898/101 > MatthewsTom Ernest MatthewsViolet1898/101 > > Cheers > > Pamela > >

Hello Pam Violet and Thomas Matthews were divorced in 1898 Petitioner SurnamePetitioner Given namesRespondent SurnameRespondent Given namesCo-respondent SurnameCo-respondent Given namesFile MatthewsTom Ernest JonesViolet1898/101 MatthewsTom Ernest MatthewsViolet1898/101 Cheers Pamela

Hello listers, For those interested in the subject, two listers sent private emails to me that should be of general interest: because these were private, I have not identified the senders and have edited 1. Remarked that a relative had made a bequest to a local hospital in his will. 2.(D...)I am aware that Beechworth Mining Board annually directed funds, divided between Ovens & District Hospital and the asylum.These monies were apparently not from mining claim fees but excess Goldfield Common fees that this same Board held responsibility for. to which I add: Yes, D..., and this would mean that miners in accidents or who (maybe temporarily) lost their minds or became unable to care for themselves would get immediate entry to the hospital or the asylum. In those days the asylums were also what we would now call nursing homes, since there was no separate system. Some called themselves "Benevolent Asylums" and the one in King St Melbourne would receive elderly incapacitated as long as they signed over their estates to the board. Lots of descendants wonder why the deceased left no will or property, when they were known to have money and property late in their lives, and died in the Benevolent Home/Asylum.. regards, Ada Ackerly, Melbourne, Australia formerly Ackerly DocuSearch -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.11/26 - Release Date: 22-06-05

Hi Kate, As a long-time Albury resident (on & off), I'm intrigued with your photos. I can't help identify them, unfortunately. But I'm pretty sure the photos were not taken at Albury Public School. I actually wonder if the building shown is not a church building... maybe a Sunday School? The two narrow windows appear to have a clear centre with stained glass borders. The distinctive brick-work pattern should also help someone identify it. Sadly, many of Albury's old buildings have fallen to the wreckers. Was your George Albert Jones connected to "Coffin" Jones? Might I suggest sending copies of the photos to the Albury Historical Society. I don't have their address, but C/- Albury Museum, Wodonga Place, Albury 2640 should get to them. Good luck. I really hope you can trace these. They're precious. I especially like the glum look of the lady teacher in the doorway (look out kids)! Peter Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul & Kathryn Lucas" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:45 AM Subject: [AVNE] Albury school photo 1800's? > I have a copy of a two photos from an old family album. It appears to be > school photos. All that is written on the back is Albury. I assume it is > connected to my Jones ancestors being George Albert Jones (My Grandfather) > or his family. > Someone may know its origins. I only have a photo copy of the photo so hence > the poor quality. > Go to > > http://www.angelfire.com/folk/aus_schools/ > Regards > Kate

I have a copy of a two photos from an old family album. It appears to be school photos. All that is written on the back is Albury. I assume it is connected to my Jones ancestors being George Albert Jones (My Grandfather) or his family. Someone may know its origins. I only have a photo copy of the photo so hence the poor quality. Go to http://www.angelfire.com/folk/aus_schools/ Regards Kate

Thanks Denise! Any references to LIDDLE always greatly appreciated.. Regards Simon > 28.4.1866 OMA > > Newly added members of the Ovens and Murray Agricultural and Horticultural Association- > J Norton > J Burrows > McBean of Benalla > G Brown of Oxley > J Johnston of Oxley > Hector N Simson of Benalla > R Liddle of Glenrowan > Bryson Greta > E Porter of Estcourt > J Henley of Oxley > > current members (above added to number) > H S. Parfitt > T. D Kay > Spink > E Porter > D H Evans > C Chandler > F C Michell > A. L. Ely > > Parfitt elected Vice President. > > Denise >

Hello Kate I am related to the Chiltern Mellors. I understand that Mary Bain was Isaac Mellor's wife - Isaac's younger brother Andrew was my great grandfather. My grandfather on my mother's side, Clarence Mellor, was born in Chiltern in 1892. The Mellors lived at the corner of Oxford and High Streets; unfortunately, the house has since burned down. I am in contact with some of Isaac's family, so I will send on your details. Regards, Glenn Davies ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul & Kathryn Lucas" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 2:46 PM Subject: [AVNE] Mellor and Buchan Chiltern late 1800's >I am seeking people related to Mellor and Robert Buchan Chiltern. > There was a posting in 2000 re the Mellor family. I have only just seen it > in the archives. > I believe I have a copy of a photo of a Mrs Mellor who was the sister of > Margaret Hannah Buchan (Bain). > Would like to contact any of the family > Cheers > Kate > >

So in fact donations to a hospital were the earliest form of health insurance? I have always wondered why so many of my relatives wills included a donation to a hospital - perhaps this is the answer! Lovely story Ada, thanks cheers jon Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:41:54 +1000 From: Ada Ackerly <[email protected]> Hello Ann, In the 1800s hospitals were mostly supported by subscription. Local councils subscribed some of their rates to support hospitals.=20 Benefactors who subscribed were designated "governors" of the hospital.=20 Local courts subscribed some of their fines to the hospital, sometimes fr= om=20 the court "poor box". As time moved on, governments made grants which=20 matched the subscription lists, sometimes =A3 for =A3 or less. Consequently, you could not just present yourself at the guarded gate of=20 the hospital to gain admission. You had first to gain an order from a=20 responsible person representing subscribers. This could be the mayor of the local council, the magistrate of the court= =20 which contributed, or an individual subscriber. There are records of people being delivered to the Melbourne hospital,=20 being refused permission to enter, and the people who brought the patient= =20 having to rush around looking for a subscriber to have the right to entry= .=20 People died in the street outside the gate, having no "letter of introduc= tion". Here in Williamstown, someone had to find the mayor (because the council=20 subscribed on behalf of the burgesses), request his letter of introductio= n,=20 then get the patient onto a train going to Melbourne, then a hansom cab=20 from the station to the hospital, present the letter of introduction, gai= n=20 entry THEN get hospital treatment. I guess some people might have been advised that "death at home" might be= a=20 better outcome for the patient, since someone had to do the runaround to=20 find the responsible subscriber representative and gain a letter, and the= =20 patient could go through some trauma to gain entry.. Just consider that in those times you had to be considered "deserving poo= r"=20 to gain any sort of assistance. If you were destitute and could not prove= =20 you were "deserving" then, no matter what your age: 1 month or 90 years,=20 you were on your own, regardless of your need. Of course, things improved in tiny steps over the last century and a half= ,=20 so that we now are appalled at the past, and completely lacking in=20 understanding of the times, jump to inappropriate conclusions on the=20 actions of our forebears. Hope that is some help. At 13:34 19-06-05 +1000, Anne Hanson wrote: >Hi All, > >I am researching a Victorian 19th century criminal case. In the trial >manuscript one of the witnesses said that she encouraged the wife to get= the >local magistrate to authorise her husband's admission into hospital. Now= the >husband was ill in bed and my question is: > >Was it normal for a wife in 1863 to have to get a magistrate's permissio= n >before her husband could be admitted to hospital? I should stress the >husband was physically ill, not mentally ill. > >Any thoughts/comments will be gratefully received. > > >Anne Hanson >[email protected] > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 17-06-05 regards, Ada Ackerly, Melbourne, Australia formerly Ackerly DocuSearch --=20 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 17-06-05 Jon ______________________________________________________________

Peter, Sorry about this, but I have misread a name in the Hurry/Lewin marriage. Please ammend JANE LEWIN to ANNIE LEWIN. My apologies. Ronda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Lakeman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 8:07 AM Subject: [AVNE] More spare marriage and death records added > Hello Listers, > > Again my sincere thanks go to Ronda who has submitted more spare marriage > and death lookups (as shown below). > > If any of these are of interest to you, please go to > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVNE/Spares/spares.html > and click on the submitter's name on the right of the entry, which will > open your email program. > > Cheers > > Peter > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Marriages > --------- > HURRY, Henry - LEWIN Jane - Benalla 13th July 1863 > O'GRADY (nee BARRY), Ann - THOMPSON, William - Beechworth 4th July 1863 > > Deaths > ------ > McALPINE, Walter - Chiltern West - 14th June 1891 aged 20 days > McGEE, William - Carlyle - 24th June 1891 aged 45 years > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >

Hello Listers, Again my sincere thanks go to Ronda who has submitted more spare marriage and death lookups (as shown below). If any of these are of interest to you, please go to http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/AVNE/Spares/spares.html and click on the submitter's name on the right of the entry, which will open your email program. Cheers Peter ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marriages --------- HURRY, Henry - LEWIN Jane - Benalla 13th July 1863 O'GRADY (nee BARRY), Ann - THOMPSON, William - Beechworth 4th July 1863 Deaths ------ McALPINE, Walter - Chiltern West - 14th June 1891 aged 20 days McGEE, William - Carlyle - 24th June 1891 aged 45 years ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

28.4.1866 OMA Newly added members of the Ovens and Murray Agricultural and Horticultural Association- J Norton J Burrows McBean of Benalla G Brown of Oxley J Johnston of Oxley Hector N Simson of Benalla R Liddle of Glenrowan Bryson Greta E Porter of Estcourt J Henley of Oxley current members (above added to number) H S. Parfitt T. D Kay Spink E Porter D H Evans C Chandler F C Michell A. L. Ely Parfitt elected Vice President. Denise

I am seeking people related to Mellor and Robert Buchan Chiltern. There was a posting in 2000 re the Mellor family. I have only just seen it in the archives. I believe I have a copy of a photo of a Mrs Mellor who was the sister of Margaret Hannah Buchan (Bain). Would like to contact any of the family Cheers Kate

Hello Ann, In the 1800s hospitals were mostly supported by subscription. Local councils subscribed some of their rates to support hospitals. Benefactors who subscribed were designated "governors" of the hospital. Local courts subscribed some of their fines to the hospital, sometimes from the court "poor box". As time moved on, governments made grants which matched the subscription lists, sometimes £ for £ or less. Consequently, you could not just present yourself at the guarded gate of the hospital to gain admission. You had first to gain an order from a responsible person representing subscribers. This could be the mayor of the local council, the magistrate of the court which contributed, or an individual subscriber. There are records of people being delivered to the Melbourne hospital, being refused permission to enter, and the people who brought the patient having to rush around looking for a subscriber to have the right to entry. People died in the street outside the gate, having no "letter of introduction". Here in Williamstown, someone had to find the mayor (because the council subscribed on behalf of the burgesses), request his letter of introduction, then get the patient onto a train going to Melbourne, then a hansom cab from the station to the hospital, present the letter of introduction, gain entry THEN get hospital treatment. I guess some people might have been advised that "death at home" might be a better outcome for the patient, since someone had to do the runaround to find the responsible subscriber representative and gain a letter, and the patient could go through some trauma to gain entry.. Just consider that in those times you had to be considered "deserving poor" to gain any sort of assistance. If you were destitute and could not prove you were "deserving" then, no matter what your age: 1 month or 90 years, you were on your own, regardless of your need. Of course, things improved in tiny steps over the last century and a half, so that we now are appalled at the past, and completely lacking in understanding of the times, jump to inappropriate conclusions on the actions of our forebears. Hope that is some help. At 13:34 19-06-05 +1000, Anne Hanson wrote: >Hi All, > >I am researching a Victorian 19th century criminal case. In the trial >manuscript one of the witnesses said that she encouraged the wife to get the >local magistrate to authorise her husband's admission into hospital. Now the >husband was ill in bed and my question is: > >Was it normal for a wife in 1863 to have to get a magistrate's permission >before her husband could be admitted to hospital? I should stress the >husband was physically ill, not mentally ill. > >Any thoughts/comments will be gratefully received. > > >Anne Hanson >[email protected] > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 17-06-05 regards, Ada Ackerly, Melbourne, Australia formerly Ackerly DocuSearch -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 17-06-05