Hi Zola, My guess is that it could be one of these two - probably the second one. The parish aligns with the birth of the daughter (registered in 1849) even though your record shows 1848. So he may have died late in 1847 - after the child was conceived. It looks as though there were two other children as well (see below). Back in those days people often took a long time to get around to registering births, and don't forget, the Registry Office did not commence until December 1853 (I think) so these are old church records. Hope this is of some help, Wendy Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 Query ----- Surname : hart (1645 matches) Given Names : wm* (141169 matches) Event : d (418821 matches) Total matching records: 27 -------------------- Surname: HART Given Names: William Event: D Spouse Surname/Father: Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Age: 40 Sex: M Birth Place: Death Place: BRIGHTON Year: 1847 Reg Number: 20230 Denomination: Church of England Parish: ST ANDREWS, BRIGHTON Fiche: 317 Surname: HART Given Names: William Event: D Spouse Surname/Father: Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Age: 42 Sex: M Birth Place: Death Place: BRIGHTON Year: 1847 Reg Number: 4309 Denomination: Church of England Parish: ST JAMES, MELBOURNE Fiche: 1076 Surname: HART Given Names: Emily Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: William Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Ellen Age: Sex: Birth Place: MELB Death Place: Year: 1843 Reg Number: 13381 Denomination: Church of England Parish: ST JAMES, MELBOURNE Fiche: 274 Surname: HART Given Names: Mary Elizabeth Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: William Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Ellen Age: Sex: F Birth Place: PORTLAND Death Place: Year: 1845 Reg Number: 30669 Denomination: Church of England Parish: ST STEPHENS, PORTLAND Fiche: 447 Surname: HART Given Names: Ellen Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: William Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Ellen Age: Sex: Birth Place: OVENS RIV Death Place: Year: 1849 Reg Number: 16119 Denomination: Church of England Parish: ST JAMES, MELBOURNE Fiche: 290 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zola Ortenburg" <zolaortenburg@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:06 PM Subject: [HC] Hart > Can anyone help me find the death of William HART. I have a b/cert for a > child Alice Walsh born to Ellen Mahoney - widow of William Hart in 1858 at > Wangaratta. > Ellen's & William Hart's previous chid was born in 1848 at Ovens River. So > some time between 1848 & 1858 William is purported to have died. > Zola > >

Hi Wendy, Thanks for the reply, I have the birth of those 3 children, but on Alice Walsh's birth cert it shows Ellen Hart nee Mahoney as having 4 living children, so there is still a missing child, not to mention Williams death. In 1858 Ellen was 40 making her birth date as 1818 so there is a huge age difference with William who died in 1847 aged 42. Do you think this is likely? I also wonder why he would have been in Brighton at the time of his death. I will get the death certificate for William, hopefully it may give us a clue. Thanks again, Zola ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy" <wendyfensom@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Hart > Hi Zola, > > My guess is that it could be one of these two - probably the second one. > The parish aligns with the birth of the daughter (registered in 1849) even > though your record shows 1848. So he may have died late in 1847 - after the > child was conceived. It looks as though there were two other children as > well (see below). Back in those days people often took a long time to get > around to registering births, and don't forget, the Registry Office did not > commence until December 1853 (I think) so these are old church records. > > Hope this is of some help, > Wendy > > > Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 > > Query > ----- > Surname : hart (1645 matches) > Given Names : wm* (141169 matches) > Event : d (418821 matches) > > Total matching records: 27 > -------------------- > > Surname: HART > Given Names: William > Event: D > Spouse Surname/Father: > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: > Age: 40 > Sex: M > Birth Place: > Death Place: BRIGHTON > Year: 1847 > Reg Number: 20230 > Denomination: Church of England > Parish: ST ANDREWS, BRIGHTON > Fiche: 317 > > Surname: HART > Given Names: William > Event: D > Spouse Surname/Father: > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: > Age: 42 > Sex: M > Birth Place: > Death Place: BRIGHTON > Year: 1847 > Reg Number: 4309 > Denomination: Church of England > Parish: ST JAMES, MELBOURNE > Fiche: 1076 > > > > > Surname: HART > Given Names: Emily > Event: B > Spouse Surname/Father: William > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Ellen > Age: > Sex: > Birth Place: MELB > Death Place: > Year: 1843 > Reg Number: 13381 > Denomination: Church of England > Parish: ST JAMES, MELBOURNE > Fiche: 274 > > Surname: HART > Given Names: Mary Elizabeth > Event: B > Spouse Surname/Father: William > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Ellen > Age: > Sex: F > Birth Place: PORTLAND > Death Place: > Year: 1845 > Reg Number: 30669 > Denomination: Church of England > Parish: ST STEPHENS, PORTLAND > Fiche: 447 > > Surname: HART > Given Names: Ellen > Event: B > Spouse Surname/Father: William > Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Ellen > Age: > Sex: > Birth Place: OVENS RIV > Death Place: > Year: 1849 > Reg Number: 16119 > Denomination: Church of England > Parish: ST JAMES, MELBOURNE > Fiche: 290 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Zola Ortenburg" <zolaortenburg@bigpond.com> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:06 PM > Subject: [HC] Hart > > > > Can anyone help me find the death of William HART. I have a b/cert for a > > child Alice Walsh born to Ellen Mahoney - widow of William Hart in 1858 at > > Wangaratta. > > Ellen's & William Hart's previous chid was born in 1848 at Ovens River. > So > > some time between 1848 & 1858 William is purported to have died. > > Zola > > > > > >