Bryan, would there be any chance that there is only one son Francis that Ann Trimble perhaps died - ran away - and left Francis with Francis Sr and his wife. Perhaps the couple registered the child as their own? Chris and I are following this with great interest for Martell is amongst our research subjects and whilst we so far have found only a few details on him, we certainly will keep an eye on the papers for his name. regards Denise

Hi Everyone, Here are some more marriages from Beechworth. have included my gg-uncle in case there are any descendants out there..... And one Yank for Denise! The place of birth is a big long name but I can't quite make it out). Cheers, W MARRIAGES - BEECHWORTH 1856 Joshua Cushman ? BIGELOW (Born ??? United States) Margaret THOMPSON (Born Carlisle, England) David DAVIES (Born Cardigan, Wales) Mary ROWE (Born Sticken? Cornwall, England) Robert MILNE (Born Sydney, NSW) Mary RYAN (Born Cashel, Ireland)

From the same firm - Crawford & Co. Staff Martells of Eldorado was the coaching stop/transfer stop for Crawford & Co. coaches. Denise > Where would anyone be without the ever efficient pp > > Martell, Francis > Place - Broadmeadows > State - Victoria > Date - 1 Aug 1921 > Event - Death > Source - Cemetery Transcript Unspecified > Reference - C7/11/3 P57 > Held by - Society of Australian Genealogists > 120 Kent Street > Sydney > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 9:35 AM > Subject: Re: [HC] Baptism Martell > > Now that there is a date it would be worth checking the newspapers around > that date > > pp > > >> He's not in Altona Cemetery either I checked that. >> Denise >> >> >> > Bryan. >> > >> > I spent some time yesterday afternoon trying to find a birth > registration >> > for Francis Martell b. 1859 using the Victorian BDM cds that I have and >> > was >> > spectacularly unsuccessful. After I found his death 1921, Essendon, - I >> > did >> > do a search on the Fawkner Memorial Park, Springvale and St. Kilda >> > Cemeteries and came up with zilch. It might be worth putting a message > on >> > either the Vic Rootsweb or Melbourne Rootsweb mailing list and asking > what >> > cemetery someone might be buried in if they died in Essendon. If you > could >> > find where he is buried and what section he is buried in, e.g., Church > of >> > England, that will help you in relation to locating his baptism. >> > >> > Another thought is - could his birth have been registered in his > mother's >> > name, that is Trimble. >> > >> > Cheers >> > >> > Anne >> > >> >> >

It's me again. Some Beechworth deaths herewith, but not much detail available. Cheers, Wendy DEATHS - BEECHWORTH 1876 (poor quality) Charles MORGAN (Born Northumberland, England) Father: Not Known Mother: Not Known Kate WHITEAWAY (Born Ireland ?) Father: Not Known Mother: Not Known Joshua EVANS (born London, England) Father: Not Known Mother: Not Known Rachel Emma FISHER (Born Sydney, NSW) Father: John WYSE Mother: Catherine WARBOIS ?

Hi there, Here are a few death registrations. More to come. Cheers, W DEATHS - MYRTLEFORD 1932 William Percy NUTTALL (Born Myrtleford) Father: Joseph NUTTALL Mother: Elizabeth nee SIMMONS DEATHS - MYRTLEFORD, BUFFALO RIVER AND RUNNING CREEK 1911 Sarah Sophia SANDERSON (Born Beechworth) Father: William MOORE Mother: Sarah nee GRAINGER Robert Arnold SMYTH (Born Carboor) Father: Robert SMYTH Mother: Annie Eleanor nee HOLMES John MATTHEWS (Born Cornwall, England) Father: William MATTHEWS Mother: Caroline nee DAVEY Samuel MOORE (Born Inkley ? England) Father: Peter MOORE Mother: Ellen nee MATHEWS

Thanks Brian. A pentice is obviously not something one should fall off. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Rhynehart" <brianr@cyberone.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [HC] 20.7.1867 OMA > Peter, > > This is all I could find that sounds appropriate: > > a. A rock pillar left, or a heavy timber bulkhead placed, in the bottom of a > two-or-more-compartment-deep shaft through which to sink it further. A > small, auxilliary steam or air hoist, dumping apparatus, and pocket or bin > are installed above the pentice; through an opening in it, sinking by short > lifts is carried on while the shaft is in use above the pentice. Practiced > in the Michigan copper country. Hess > b. A cover, protection, or roof over a sinking shaft. The cover contains a > trapdoor through which the rope and bowk pass. See also: Galloway stage > Nelson > c. In shaft sinking, a solid rock pillar left in the bottom of the shaft for > overhead protection of miners while the shaft is being extended by sinking. > > Source: Dictionary of Mining, Mineral, and Related Terms > > Brian. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Ross" <rossof@ozemail.com.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 9:37 AM > Subject: Re: [HC] 20.7.1867 OMA > > > > Thanks Denise, if you wouldn't mind. The Yack Cem record has him as > Patrick > > SETRIGHT, as does the Vic BDMs. > > Does anyone know what a "pentice" is? Macquarie Dictionary doesn't have > it. > > Peter > >

Bryan. I spent some time yesterday afternoon trying to find a birth registration for Francis Martell b. 1859 using the Victorian BDM cds that I have and was spectacularly unsuccessful. After I found his death 1921, Essendon, - I did do a search on the Fawkner Memorial Park, Springvale and St. Kilda Cemeteries and came up with zilch. It might be worth putting a message on either the Vic Rootsweb or Melbourne Rootsweb mailing list and asking what cemetery someone might be buried in if they died in Essendon. If you could find where he is buried and what section he is buried in, e.g., Church of England, that will help you in relation to locating his baptism. Another thought is - could his birth have been registered in his mother's name, that is Trimble. Cheers Anne -----Original Message----- From: Hotmail [mailto:fataussie214@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2005 6:05 PM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HC] Baptism Martell Hi Anne Yes these are from Francis Martell's marriage to Agnes Cahoon. We are trying to find a record of his illegitimate son Francis Martell's birth in 1859 to Anne Trimble. Cheers Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Hanson" <ahanson8@bigpond.com> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 2:57 PM Subject: RE: [HC] Baptism Martell > Bryan: > > I presume you've seen all these entries but in case you haven't: > Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888 Surname: MARTELL Given Names: Lewis Cahoon Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: Francis Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Agnes CAHOON Age:

Hi Wendy - May I have the McFayden one please? Hope you enjoyed your New Year celebrations regards Denise > Joseph Burt RICHARDSON (born Lydney?, Gloucestershire, England) > > Elizabeth McFADYEN (Born Esley ? near Sandhurst, Vic) > > > > (Joseph was previously married to Charlotte Matilda RICHARDSON who died on > 14/7/1886). Elizabeth's husband McFAYDEN died on 11/2/1882. Her maiden > name was McDONALD)

How many children did Francis Sr have called Francis? Two? This would indicate then that he didn't have anything to do with Francis #1 surely. He had one to Margaret Casey I see. Was Francis born in De Monware Canada Bryan? regards Denise

Good morning everyone, Hope you all had a greatt New Year. Here to start it are some Beechworth marriages: Cheers, Wendy MARRIAGES - BEECHWORTH 1865 Robert Livingstone CUNNINGHAM (born Edinburgh, Scotland) Sophia Fisher McLEAN (Born Glasgow, Scotland) MARRIAGES - BEECHWORTH 1890 Ezekiel HOCKING (Born South Aust - Kooringa ??? ???) Margaret JONES (Born Harrietteville, Vic) *The following one is a bit difficult to decipher in places - both parties previously married. Joseph Burt RICHARDSON (born Lydney?, Gloucestershire, England) Elizabeth McFADYEN (Born Esley ? near Sandhurst, Vic) (Joseph was previously married to Charlotte Matilda RICHARDSON who died on 14/7/1886). Elizabeth's husband McFAYDEN died on 11/2/1882. Her maiden name was McDONALD)

He's not in Altona Cemetery either I checked that. Denise > Bryan. > > I spent some time yesterday afternoon trying to find a birth registration > for Francis Martell b. 1859 using the Victorian BDM cds that I have and > was > spectacularly unsuccessful. After I found his death 1921, Essendon, - I > did > do a search on the Fawkner Memorial Park, Springvale and St. Kilda > Cemeteries and came up with zilch. It might be worth putting a message on > either the Vic Rootsweb or Melbourne Rootsweb mailing list and asking what > cemetery someone might be buried in if they died in Essendon. If you could > find where he is buried and what section he is buried in, e.g., Church of > England, that will help you in relation to locating his baptism. > > Another thought is - could his birth have been registered in his mother's > name, that is Trimble. > > Cheers > > Anne >

Peter, This is all I could find that sounds appropriate: a. A rock pillar left, or a heavy timber bulkhead placed, in the bottom of a two-or-more-compartment-deep shaft through which to sink it further. A small, auxilliary steam or air hoist, dumping apparatus, and pocket or bin are installed above the pentice; through an opening in it, sinking by short lifts is carried on while the shaft is in use above the pentice. Practiced in the Michigan copper country. Hess b. A cover, protection, or roof over a sinking shaft. The cover contains a trapdoor through which the rope and bowk pass. See also: Galloway stage Nelson c. In shaft sinking, a solid rock pillar left in the bottom of the shaft for overhead protection of miners while the shaft is being extended by sinking. Source: Dictionary of Mining, Mineral, and Related Terms Brian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Ross" <rossof@ozemail.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [HC] 20.7.1867 OMA > Thanks Denise, if you wouldn't mind. The Yack Cem record has him as Patrick > SETRIGHT, as does the Vic BDMs. > Does anyone know what a "pentice" is? Macquarie Dictionary doesn't have it. > Peter >

HAPPY NEW YEAR Peggy & Max Swan Hill researching, ABBOTT,BELL,BIDDISCOMBE,BLOXHAM,FELLOWS,MOORE, GIDDENS,PHIPPS,ROWLSTONE,BLOXHAM, Australia, & England

To everyone on the list I hope 2006 is full of everything you wish for. Happy new year Kathy

As time ticks away I would like to take the opportunity to wish everyone on the list a happy, healthy, safe and fun filled 2006. May you make great inroads into all your endeavors and your results be fruitful. Happy New Year. Chris

Happy New year to all on the list have included some thoughts... DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN...? It took five minutes for the TV warm up? Nearly everyone's Mum was at home when the kids got home from school? Nobody owned a purebred dog? When a shilling was a decent allowance? You'd reach into a muddy gutter for a penny? Your Mom wore stockings that came in two pieces? All your male teachers wore ties and female teachers had their hair done every day and wore high heels? You got your windshield cleaned, oil checked, and petrol pumped, without asking, all for free, every time? And you didn't pay for air? Cereals had free toys hidden inside the box? It was considered a great privilege to be taken out to dinner at a real restaurant with your parents? They threatened to keep kids back a year if they failed . . . and they did? When a 57 Holden was everyone's dream car? No one ever asked where the car keys were because they were always in the car, in the ignition, and the doors were never locked? Lying on your back in the grass with your friends and saying things like, "That cloud looks like a..." And playing footy with no adults to help kids with the rules of the game? Stuff from the shop came without safety caps and hermetic seals because no one had yet tried to poison a perfect stranger? And with all our progress, don't you just wish, just once, you could slip back in time and savour the slower pace, and share it with the children of today? When being sent to the principal's office was nothing compared to the fate that awaited the student at home? Basically we were in fear for our lives, but it wasn't because of drive-by shootings, drugs, gangs, etc. Our parents and grandparents were a much bigger threat! But we survived because their love was greater than the threat. As well as summers filled with bike rides, cricket games, Hula Hoops, monkey bars, jilgying, visits to the beach and "conversation" lollies. Didn't that feel good, just to go back and say, "Yeah, I remember that"? How many of these do you remember? Lolly cigarettes pogo sticks, marbles, Home milk delivery in glass bottles with aluminium tops Newsreels before the movie Sandshoes Telephone numbers with letter prefixes....(ABD 601). 45 RPM records Hi-Fi's Metal ice cubes trays with levers Mimeograph paper Cork pop guns Drive-ins Valliant's Washtub wringers Reel-To-Reel tape recorders houses made of cards Meccano Sets That awful pink slab of bubble gum Penny lollies 35 cent a gallon petrol Do you remember a time when... Decisions were made by going "eeny-meeny-miney-moe"? "Race issue" meant arguing about who ran the fastest? It wasn't odd to have two or three "Best Friends"? The worst thing you could catch from the opposite sex was "boy or girl bugs"? Having a weapon in school meant being caught with a shangeye? Saturday morning cartoons weren't 30-minute commercials for action figures? Spinning around, getting dizzy, and falling down was cause for giggles? The worst embarrassment was being picked last for a team? Playing cards in the spokes transformed any bike into a motorcycle? Taking drugs meant orange-flavoured chewable aspirin? Water balloons were the ultimate weapon? If you can remember most or all of these, then you have lived!!!!!!! K ----- Original Message ----- From: Wendy To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Spare Births from the North East - chat Hi Dawn, Well, mostly cold... Thanks for your previous email - I will contact you when I work out my timings re AIGS - I have to join it first. Boy, it is hot, ins't it? Happy NY Cheers, Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn Webb" <dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 6:14 PM Subject: RE: [HC] Spare Births from the North East > Hope it is a cold meal planned Wendy! Certainly not soup and stew weather > is it!.. Dawn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wendy [mailto:wendyfensom@optusnet.com.au] > Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2005 3:38 PM > To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [HC] Spare Births from the North East > > Hi Ronda and Denise, > I've sent details off-list so please let me know result..... I am going to > try and do the ones from the N/E first. So hang about - there's more to > come - hopefully tomorrow. > Got to get the dinner organised - visitors coming... > Wendy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ronda Shambrook" <shambrookdr@dcsi.net.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 4:00 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] Spare Births from the North East > > > > Hi Wendy, > > I have found one of 'mine' on your list and would be appreciative of more > > info. > > > > > BIRTHS - MYRTLEFORD and BUFFALO RIVER 1891 (JWM) > > > > > Robert John DRAPER > > > Father: William McMillan DRAPER (Born Arran Scotland) > > > > > > Mother : Martha McKIBBINS (Born Co Antrim, Ireland) > > > > I am impressed that you are organising yourself so well. When people > > contact me for 'spares' it usually takes me a couple of hours of ferreting > > around to find the correct one. > > Sooooo ....... my first job for the new year is to organise all my BDMs > into > > one word document for easy location. > > > > Thanks very much, > > > > Ronda > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.0.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - Release Date: 30/12/2005 > > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/216 - Release Date: 29/12/2005

Hi Wendy My family ones that I would like a copy are below (are you researching Veronica (Vera) Culhane nee Connolly or they were just on the same page?) Catherine Veronica CONNELLY Father: James CONNELLY (Born Beechworth) Mother: Mary Jane WHITE (Born Buckland) and Charles John JESSUP Father: Anthony Benjamin JESSUP (Born Murmudgee) Mother: Matilda McLEES (Born Oxley) Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: Wendy To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:52 PM Subject: [HC] Spare Births from the North East Hi Everyone, Here are twelve births for your perusal. Sorry but the writing is very difficult to read in some cases. If you require more information from any of the entries to assist in identification please let me know. Can copy if you wish. Denise - have a look at Morse's Creek - one Canadian - and heaven help us - a Coach Proprietor (HOBSON) Please note that initials in each sub-heading are for my reference purposes - and a good thing to quote if you want to know more. Cheers, Wendy BIRTHS - MYRTLEFORD and BUFFALO RIVER 1891 (JWM) Catherine Veronica CONNELLY Father: James CONNELLY (Born Beechworth) Mother: Mary Jane WHITE (Born Buckland) Sydney Harold McGUFFIE Father: Willaim McGUFFIE (Born B? Creek Vic) Mother : Agnes McLEOD (Born Oxley) Robert John DRAPER Father: William McMillan DRAPER (Born Arran Scotland) Mother : Martha McKIBBINS (Born Co Antrim, Ireland) Charles John JESSUP Father: Anthony Benjamin JESSUP (Born Murmudgee) Mother: Matilda McLEES (Born Oxley) BIRTHS - MORSE'S CREEK 1862 (MAW) James O'FARRELL Father: Patrick O'FARRELL (Born Wexford, Ireland) Mother: Mary LADAIN (Born Co Clare, Ireland) Edith LAWRENCE Father: Abraham Lawrence (Born Canada) Mother: Mary Ann WALL (Born Maitland, NSW) Mary JAMIESON Father: William JAMIESON (Born Glasgow, Scotland) Mother: Walteria SANGSTER (Born Aberdeen, Scotland) Alfred William HOBSON Father: Alfred HOBSON (Born Walthamstone, England) Mother: Elizabeth ORTON (Born Brighton, England) BIRTHS - BEECHWORTH, SPRING CREEK, TWO MILE AND WOOLSHED 1862 (WJH) - THESE ARE HARD TO READ Edward BROWN Father: John BROWN (Born Tipperary, Ireland) Mother: Eliza Riley (Born Tipperary, Ireland) Charley RSONG ??? Father: RSONG ? (Born Singapore) Mother: Alice WILLIAMS (born Cornwall, England) Mary TAYLOR Father: James Jeffrey TAYLOR (Born Glasgow, Scotland) Mother: Mary Ann McLADEN ? (Born Co Wicklow, Ireland) John Thomas WAUGH ? Father: Thomas WAUGH (Born Durham, England) Mother: Maria FITZGERALD (Born Co Clare, Ireland) -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/216 - Release Date: 29/12/2005

William Ede Ellen was a brother of Fanny Wells (nee Ellen) My grandmother (daughter of William) and Jack's father (son of Fanny) I think were first cousins. which would make Jack and my mother second cousins. K ----- Original Message ----- From: Denise To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [HC] HELP - off list topic Oh dear I hope not. How will I face Jack next time! I'd give him more ammunition for his story.. Sow hat does this grandmother/grandmother thing make your relationship to Jack, Kerry? D > Thank You Brian > > The event is on a Fanny Charlotte Wells (nee Ellen) who died in an > accident on the Old Buckland Gap road on 20th Jan 1900, seemingly a horse > with jinker bolted. She was my great aunt I have a photo of her which her > niece (my grandmother gave me and told me the story, but would like to > know the facts, her father worked for C & C probably one of their crazy > horses (g) to Denise. > > Would really appreciate what you can find many thanks > > Kerry -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/216 - Release Date: 29/12/2005

Denise, I'll send you a couple of photos Anthony took. Also, years later (1920s?) they tunnelled in from Sutton area, but made a mistake in their calculations and wasted a lot of time and effort. Ronda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [HC] Sutton > So, I wonder if this tunnel from one spot to another is still there, not > caved in, or hopefully sealed off. > Did they ever meet up with Hillsborough ? > > Thanks Ronda. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ronda Shambrook" <shambrookdr@dcsi.net.au> > To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 3:30 PM > Subject: Re: [HC] Sutton > > >> Hi Denise, >> My mining knowledge & terminology is very limited, but they tunnelled in >> from Sutton to meet up with the same reef of gold that they'd found at >> Hillsborough. >> Ronda >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> >> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 12:54 PM >> Subject: [HC] Sutton >> >> >>> Now a question for the Hillsborough group - why would Mr. Big of Sutton >>> want a 500 foot (more or less) tunnel? >>> >>> D >>> >

Well I had a wart added to my unit a few years back. And very nice it is too! -----Original Message----- From: Brett n Sue [mailto:coleman10@bigpond.com] Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2005 5:56 PM To: AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HC] 20.7.1867 OMA Hmmm, I never thought I would hear myself say it but here goes, (wish I had a wart) ummmm on my house that is. Happy New Year Good people be safe and don't drink and drive. Brett & Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise" <denisem@powerup.com.au> To: <AUS-VIC-HIGH-COUNTRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [HC] 20.7.1867 OMA > I have been told on good authority that these added on bits on houses and > buildings are called 'warts' in the US > > Walking around Beechworth looking at all the older cottages you see lots of > 'warts' I guess a penthouse could also be classed as that. > > D > > > > So we can assume all these (rich) dwellers in (expensive, luxurious) > > penthouses round the world live in sheds tacked on as an afterthought?? > > <grin> > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.0.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - Release Date: 30/12/2005